> I agree that free is a very good price and I believe in free ( and alslo 
> the larger tennants that are the backbone of the GPL )  But if I have to 
> have something and cant get it for free Im forced to bow to the 
> monopoly, or the comglomerate , or something. .. I dont like it, but I 
> accept it out of nesessity

This statement makes sense and is the reson why I pay the nominal fee for 
Cedega just to see what it can Do. The only way to deal effectively with 
companies that slick the rules because they can is to start up your own company 
and do a better job of it or put a lobby together with enough money to fight 
them. 
 In this particular case the best solution (IMO) would be a game company who 
writes a linux client for at least any major game they make. Idsoftware, and 
epic has been doing this for awhile. The Quake4 client came out, and I spent 2 
hours burning the files from my windows raid drive just to see it run in linux 
and got an installation that couldn't run my saved games files from linux and 
displayed the string number for each gui link instead of the actual string. I 
have to admit more time spent might get better results and it may not but I 
have an amd 64 machine and I can forsee more time spent without results so I 
just finished the game in Durs.
Then the example of unreal tournament linux clients working rather well as well 
as mainy great ports of other idsoftware titles. If there is a point to my 
ramble it is that the linux client has varied success dependent on time spent 
and that seems to vary.

And finally back to my actual experience today with Cedega five:
I "installed" Battlefield II, the installation failed and wouldn't get past a 
certain point several times, no game.
I "installed" UnrealTournament (the original 1999 game) it went all the way 
through the install without producing a folder in the Cedega\Program Files 
folder just as BF II did
I tried to install GUN without any dicernable results at all! The installation 
file
was a .msi so that could have made a difference there

And backtracking to a non game, the first program I tried to install in it was 
Pro Keybording (typing tutor) and it seems to have gone in with all the bells 
and whistles under Cedega when it would even start the install in XP x64.
Not consistently successful at all and the reason that the keyboarding app 
worked so well could very well be underlying work done by the WINE team.

Any other experiences or tips etc?
                                                                     JF


> T. Joseph CARTER wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 07:34:03AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>>I realize that this won't stop people from using it to avoid having to
> >>>reboot to play games, but IMO it should.
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>Are you trying to say that Transgaming is more evil than Microsoft?
> >>You're going to need more than a weird Debian-slap to make that one
> >>stick.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >Microsoft never pretended to be a free software company.  Microsoft has
> >never threatened free software producers (which isn't to say it hasn't
> >tried to undermine them..)
> >
> >Also, a friend of mine told me (and the world actually) that certain
> >people who used to work at Corel had been passing around memos talking
> >about Debian and the GPL and how they didn't have to follow the latter
> >because Debian didn't have legal backing to challenge them in court.  She
> >was fired for "revealing company secrets", and Corel was forced into
> >compliance.  However, we know Corel's Linux business fell apart, and the
> >people who were sending these memos (the same ones) now run Transgaming.
> >
> >Now, I trust my friend.  You don't know my friend, so you have no reason
> >to trust her.  However, Microsoft has never tried to make GPL code
> >proprietary (or at least, never enough of it that they've been caught!)
> >
> >
> >Your choices are an 800lb gorilla who is scary because it's 800lb or a
> >200lb gorilla who is scary because he'll rip your lungs out.
> >
> >  
> >
> This is a very interesting story.. but hasnt that happened before ?  
> Like OSX is based upon BSD right ?  and OSX is proprietary right ?  
> how'd they do that ?  Who'd they pay off ?  or is it just a matter of no 
> one has backing to go after them ?
> 
> I agree that free is a very good price and I believe in free ( and alslo 
> the larger tennants that are the backbone of the GPL )  But if I have to 
> have something and cant get it for free Im forced to bow to the 
> monopoly, or the comglomerate , or something. .. I dont like it, but I 
> accept it out of nesessity.
> 
> 
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