I don't believe it's Microsoft's fault for not providing the update. I do believe it's there business and priority to provide notification. They did provide some notification thought there Security Blog and off color press from CNet and other online news outlets.
I think some of the issues at hand are large enterprise organisations have a 6 month to one year patch role out process or at least a 6 month patch cycle for testing all patches. Most major Telecoms ( QWest, Verizon and yes the old Death Star AT&T ) are 6 months behind on current patches. Now HP, IBM and Sun may have a patch that has been test for a year or more and meets most orientations gold patch level standards. The problem is when you run a 24x7 shop you want your five nines 99.999% up time. That means you can only have less than 5 minutes 35 seconds of maximum downtime a year. Now I don't know about you but if you have ever worked on a N Class rp7420 or any of the older stuff. It can take a good 15 to 20 minutes for all the memory and processor testing to happen. I remember it taking a full 30 minutes for a old V Class server to be rebooted. If I remember correctly a Sun V770 or E4500 can be rebooted in about 15 to 25 minutes on Solaris 7 or 8. The downtime can be mitigated by using high availability clusters. Even if you have HA Clusters Telecoms don't like doing software changes due to the change factor. If Telecommunications companies had it there way they would not have a 6 month upgrade cycle. Upgrading a 5ESS phone switch is a One year planning cycle. I don't know what the patch cycle at the NYSE, NASDAQ and SEC are like. I know they have backups and redundant systems for take over so they should not be hit by this at all. On the corporate site you should be fine. If you have a 6 month patch cycle and can move your applications from one machine to another with out too much pain being involved. -Miller On 2/20/07, Ben Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have a question about this, since the discussion seems to skirt the issue: Do you believe that Microsoft is liable for damages that might ensue for not performing a [simple, logical] code update to their older products? If I was a day-trader, I'd consider my workstation, its OS, the trading software, and my networrk uplink (and security of course) to be Critical Infrastructures in my little office. I would not think it wise to use known-to-be-outdated machinery, especially knowing the risks. Yes, it is YARU (yet another reason to upgrade), unfortunately, but I don't know that I could blame Microsoft if I had delayed trades. I think I would expect Microsoft to reach out and inform me, however, as a customer, and not just through their b'jillion ad campaigns and dream-injection methods. :) I'm sure we'll all gasp, and then eventually have a bit of a laugh over the fallout surrounding this event... it just reminds me about so many things that we as consumers and citizens are responsible for. I'd rather see a corporate charter become revoked, however, than to see corporations become further relied-upon, I find it disgusting how sometimes consumers expect to be coddled by inc's. ttfn, ben On 2/20/07, Michael Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > last I heard they may have done a about face on this as well. They > being Microsoft are not releasing any fixes for Windows 2000 to fix > the daylight savings fiasco that the United States congress created. > It's like Y2k all over again. Yet we are past Y2K. I'm wondering how > many stock orders or online orders will be executed a hour late or not > executed at all. > > -Miller > > On 2/16/07, Elijah Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Microsoft is still releasing updates for Windows 2000. However, only > > security updates are being release, not "feature" updates. See > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/common/international.aspx?rdpath=fh;en-us;lifecycle > > > > Elijah > > > > > > > > On 2/12/07, Michael Miller < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If M$ 2000 = Windows 2000 Workstation. That product is dead. > > > Microsoft is only releasing updates for Windows 2000 for paying > > > support customers. > > > > > > -Miller > > > > > > On 2/11/07, Mr O < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If you are so inclined as to run that OS. The main point is that > > > > even software and hardware manufacturers will continue to > > > > support the OS as long as Microsoft does. When M$ put the nail > > > > in the coffin for 98/ME others started to follow. With that > > > > information in hand many companies are content to still run XP > > > > if they have even upgraded to it yet. > > > > > > > > Now what is needed is for more companies to produce their > > > > commercial software as cross platform encompassing the major > > > > operating systems (linux, OS X.3,4,5, M$ 2000, XP, Vista). There > > > > are far too many instances of "if only" keeping people from > > > > running Linux as their primary or only OS. Reliable numbers are > > > > needed to show its strength on the desktop especially compared > > > > to OS X as many companies are making their software available > > > > for Apple too (Adobe/Macromedia, Intuit). At least Google is > > > > doing what they can on porting some of the apps over that they > > > > have acquired. GoogleEarth and Picasa are a good start. I hope > > > > Nero decides to keep their NeroLinux updated too as I rather > > > > like it and was happy to purchase a license for it. > > > > > > > > And while we're at it, I want a full Quicktime implementation on > > > > Linux. I don't care about iTunes as I don't like DRM laden music > > > > but I do like watching the movie trailers on Apple.com. > > > > > > > > That be all (for now), > > > > Mr O. > > > > > > > > --- Jeff Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > So pretty much mean's, my windows XP box is still worth its > > > > > prime hardware > > > > > off the shelf, since last year, when I brought it home back in > > > > > August, right > > > > > Mr. O ? > > > > > > > > > > In fact when Vista was in its hype, I knew for some reason, XP > > > > > would be the > > > > > norm for a while, before there wasn't anything, I've yet used > > > > > that would be > > > > > worth getting Vista for? > > > > > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. 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