Hello All, On 1 February 2014 11:59, Michael <spark...@gmail.com> wrote: > 400? > > Christ on a bike, europython used to be affordable. Florence was > ridiculously expensive (when you factor everything in). > > Unless when you say 'all inclusive' you mean 'including accommodation'. > > I presume the increased costs are at least in part due to the slow shift > towards peak holiday season. > > (I haven't been since Birmingham due to the massively increase cosy of > sending. For those who don't remember/know, when Euro python was in the UK I > organised the recording and transcoding of talks, on a shoe string)
And I thought that you'd used digital media... Seriously, your input is much appreciated, we've missed you. > > Saying it's 'comparable to other conferences' it's pointless btw, the reason > (in part at least as I understood it) Euro python existed was to have an > affordable alternative. Yes, but i think that successive organisers have tried to make bigger and 'better' conferences, and once you get beyond a certain size the venue costs make the concept of an affordable 'community conference' very difficult to achieve. The extreme example is PyCon US, which when Steve Holden started it in DC was very affordable, I remember going for an all-in cost of attending less than that of going to the ACCU/Python UK conf in Oxford (just 100km from my home). Which is why we started PyCon UK, where we have managed to keep costs down to an affordable level. Nowadays, PyCon US and to a lesser extent EuroPython, have become beyond the reach of the grass roots Python enthusiasts without a sympathetic employer willing to pay their conf fees and expenses, and grant a week's time off. I think that it may be time for the various organising cabales to re-examine their objectives and decide if they are running genuine community conferences or not. If not, that's a valid decision but we need to be clear about it. Just saying... Best wishes, John -- > > Michael. > > On 31 Jan 2014 19:05, "Andreas Jung" <li...@zopyx.com> wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> >> Jacob Hallén wrote: >> >> > >> > In the Call for Participation that was the basis for the selection of >> > a new site for Europython, there was a requirement for the cost of >> > attendance. It turns out that the promised figures from the Berlin >> > team can't be met and that cost of attendance will take a serious >> > jump, compared to Florence. >> > >> > This is a serious problem for the EPS, because our explicit goal is >> > to arrange a really affordable conference. We are now looking at >> > conference fees that are 5 times higher than the ones for Göteborg >> > and it is starting to hurt. Worries about getting enough participants >> > and getting a reasonable mix of people has gotten the EPS board more >> > involved in pricing issues than they would like to be. This is not >> > only a concern for the conference this year, but for future >> > conferences. A large number of the attendees have come to EuroPython >> > for many years. If they are scared off by the price this year, they >> > are less likely to come back in the future. >> > >> >> With respect but this is FUD. >> >> The standard ticket price for EP 2013 were for >> Student/Individual/Business: >> 330 ? / 500 ? / 620 ? >> >> The standard EP 2014 rates are for Student/Individual/Business: >> >> 200 ? / 400 ? / 600 ? >> >> Keep in mind that all EP 2014 tickets are all-inclusive (social event, >> catering during the sprints etc.) >> >> Andreas >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ >> >> iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJS6/PIAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjLcELwM0a9Fe4fLkA+mULWdLfKvP9 >> HHHLVH99/hs/Pe4ZHAmcUF2rc6T3lyLdAC/XK3EzTl+ppEGdbXlab+oPrN6VfjHv >> GnUVvt7TKYfCI4cw9FkgqF1wXrqdcRVT0MXu1fecKUxKst+zQ54XaI+wY8MGhDww >> dC1KA5YTYZODSO3l+WFxpMblxSTeyegutSaPV7XdoxxSq5bhLhnEEj6Ev9uAxql9 >> Dg87vOpTWe6DU/g/0A3tsaJCduwvOVwYyHBPBPuOYts7zYrVv0QYDdNXi7Jw8Gl4 >> HVFd2Xb4IBPWYpeUmL1QeFj+o652aE0kIpNAIxHVi856HhyCKwBGqzpqRo/5YOcI >> C9K6kg6kacINgiwsNSulm2sa0JLM/AsiWMd5ZFgqnaJAi3mpRcaN+dZ00zMPuvax >> Bhmv3ea1FJubFfu9XQWYJug4R7yEs8zwd9IDikSaQb94v68rDqZ+61SZ2W+Mk+eQ >> V+P0egepnsnqRp9dnuRAFN9J7gySQmA= >> =yuc7 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> EuroPython 2014 – Berlin, 21th–27th July >> >> EuroPython mailing list >> EuroPython@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython 2014 – Berlin, 21th–27th July > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython _______________________________________________ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
