Hello Paul, On 2 February 2014 14:24, Paul Boddie <p...@boddie.org.uk> wrote: > On Sunday 2. February 2014 02.09.04 Hynek Schlawack wrote: >> >> It’s quite the contrary: the current organizers were criticized for >> >> their current work they do and I tried to explain that romanticism about >> >> a conference in 2007 isn’t helping, that it’s great to have at least >> >> one big European Python conference, they are hard to do, and to the end: >> >> let them do their thing.
<snips> >> That are *completely* different concerns from what you're bringing up and I >> find it highly irritating to be confronted with pot metaphors based on that >> derailment. > > What's a "pot metaphor" here exactly? Why might someone sensibly advocate a > limit on attendees without having some kind of "elitist" agenda? Oh, that's > right, I already explained why: a $100/person loss on a thousand person > conference is pretty convincing; maybe it really does have something to do > with that after all. > > This kind of thing is what irritates me hugely about the so-called Python > community and why, as I've explained to a few people before now, I've diverted > a lot of my time to other initiatives instead. You have people who have made > substantial investments of their own time and resources into establishing > something that benefits others, and what you often get in response is sniping > about some hidden agenda or how people could have done more or better. > > It's like the mainstream subculture around Python has made some kind of virtue > out of getting people to work for free so that people can pretend to be those > people's boss and think they have the right to demand things from them. This > pervades the so-called community from top to bottom and in almost every > regard. Whereas other initiatives and communities offer appreciation for any > contribution, with a "thank you" for having done anything at all, the apparent > norm in the Python scene is to tell people that they didn't do enough or that > what they did was inferior to what should have been done, or that it wasn't > licensed according to "community expectations" (where they get to sell your > work in a binary and send you the bug reports), replacing "thank" with another > word of choice, in effect. I'm sorry, Paul, I agree with you on many things, but this is something I don't recognise at all... > > Christian wrote that "ANY organization having volunteers work for them should > be extremely humble for having anyone spend their spare time for them." Yes. > > Well, without accusing any organisation of anything, I think the so-called > community as a whole should re-evaluate how it treats people who offer their > time and resources to benefit everyone else. Yes. And I have no knowledge nor experience of the EPS treating its volunteers badly, which I think was what started this thread : a slightly emotional post from Christian based not on first-hand experience, but on hearsay. Best wishes, John -- _______________________________________________ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
