Il giorno 07/feb/2014, alle ore 12:04, Samet Atdağ <[email protected]> ha scritto:
> Hi, > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Giovanni Bajo <[email protected]> wrote: > > Il giorno 07/feb/2014, alle ore 02:47, Samet Atdağ <[email protected]> ha > scritto: > >> So there were two major costs (except my holidays) : (plane tickets + hotel) >> and registration fee. I used to live in a fairly close country to Italy, >> (Turkey) so plane tickets were around 200-300€. If we ignore daily expenses >> (like food, beers etc.) half of all costs would be the registration fee >> (which was around 300€). > > Just to set the record straight, the early bird, personal, full ticket (inc. > training) was €240 in 2012/2013. It didn’t include access to the conference > dinner, which was €40 (the conference dinner is included in EP2014). The lite > ticket (without training) was €190. > >> I talked to a lot of people in EP2012 and there were only a few people >> paying the costs. Others were supported by their companies. > > Again, just to put hard numbers out, the split between company, personal and > student tickets in 2013 was 45%, 45%, 10% respectively (I don’t have the > records here, so I’m quoting off the top of my mind, but it should be > correct). I wouldn’t represent EuroPython as a conference where most people > are being paid by their employer. > > Thanks for numbers. People buy personal tickets and companies pay cash to > them. This happens. Yes we know, we have been very strong in communication to avoid this, and on the other hand the idea is to keep company prices not outrageously more expensive than personal tickets. If you ask them to pay 20-30% more, I guess most of them will comply just because they don’t want to go through the hassle of cost-deduct a receipt with an explicit red notice “this is not tax deductible for companies”. > So I guess number of employee-supported people might be higher than 45%. I > agree on that EP is not that type of conference, but if this increasing trend > in fees continues, than less and less individuals will have opportunity of > attendance. I agree. I can assure that it’s an explicit goal of the EPS to keep the conference fees low. >> Then PSF kindly paid my costs in 2013 for PyCon. This year PyCon will be in >> Montreal, I can't attend because of dates. And I can't attend Europython >> because I'm not supported by any company, I missed early bird tickets and >> 400€ is not cheap. > > Please notice that there is a financial aid program for EuroPython as well: > https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/registration/financial-assistance/ > > and you’re welcome to apply. > > Having this opportunity always make me feel that I'm in a great community. It > would be great to be able to afford the registration fee as a full-time > employee. > > > >> I want to attend Python conferences. But if registration fees are expensive, >> it'll be like a private party, less number of people will show up and >> probably individuals not supported by any company will miss the fun. I'll >> miss the fun. > > I understand your frustration. The main issue with the price is always venue > costs, and venues tend to get proportionally more expensive as the conference > grows. We could probably get a very cheap venue holding max 200 people, and > sell tickets for €100 each. Would that make the conference less or more > inclusive? Obviously, there would be wider range of people that are able to > afford the conference, but at the same time there would be less tickets > available, it would get sold out in less than a day, and the sale would sound > like a gamble. > > I see and understand the point. Sorry for my ignorance, do we know how > PyCon handles bigger crowds? (If I remember right, PyCon registration was > 300$ last year.) PyCon US gets a very large number of sponsors from the US market, which is far bigger in this regard. > Nonetheless, we understand that there is a strong feeling that the current > prices are "beyond the threshold" for some people. Thanks for your honest > feedback, it is valuable. > > Thanks for understanding complaining people. By the way, Giovanni, EP2012 > was awesome. Thanks! -- Giovanni Bajo Python Italia APS EuroPython 2014 https://ep2014.europython.eu
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