The thread is forking fastly: I suggest to move proposed patches to a new thread (this one?) and continue general discussion on the old one.
We could even create a single thread for each of the following patch. A list follows. Peace, R. # Reopening C4P imho it's unfair against people who did their homework: this could even damage the equality cause. # One talk per speaker Seems everybody agrees. I think that two can be a very special case. imho: annunced speakers can't be forced out, only invited to renounce to a slot. # Quotas @EP14 I understand the "quotas are offensive" argumentation: but capping the most- representative gender could even favor "males". conference_value > sum(talk_values) @Nelle: applying quotas only to promoted talks, we won't damage level: many good proposals were discarded, and the "EP scientific committee" is not the ACM, as they consider other things (which we may subscribe or not :D ). # Diversity slots @EP14 Those slots are fine, but I will leave the talk selection to Nelle ;) On Wednesday 16 April 2014 00:26:59 Martijn Faassen wrote: > On 04/15/2014 11:06 PM, Armin Rigo wrote: > > In this case, woman > > participation is going slowly up year after year. I certainly think > > (and hope!) that it's not just because of favorable discrimination; > > instead, it is most probably just a slow process of natural regulation > > that occurs inside a historically strongly biased subculture. This > > process can be encouraged, e.g. I'm fine if some grants are reserved > > to women; but I think that judging technical merits on a different > > scale is not a good way to do that. > > There are a lot of things that can be done instead of quotas. > > I think one function of a Python conference is to help foster the Python > community. If we agree that we would like to have more women speakers > and participants, or just plain broaden the nature of our conference in > general, then you can actively work towards in a whole range of ways: > > * Looking for high-profile female invited speakers. > > * Broadening the scope of topics. The conference should still be Python > themed, but the occasional talk about, say, morality or astronomy or > game development or business can be fit in. I remember such talks from > previous EuroPythons. Keynotes tend to do this already, but there's no > reason to restrict this to keynotes. I myself find that such variety > improves the conference and makes it more inspirational for me. > > * Considering whether we want a self-selected democracy for anonymously > selecting talks based on individual merits, or whether we want to > involve other methods too. Say a smaller group of people that looks at > the overall balance of things. > > * Judging talk proposals on other things than technical merit only. > Originality, presentation, humor, all of these count. Armin is a good > example actually: your talks wouldn't be half as much fun for people > without your presentation style. This may be written down somewhere > already for all I know in the talk selection guidelines actually, but if > not, that may make sense. > > * Having women visibly be present at the conference. PyCon DE last year > was a good example; there were a lot of women involved with its > organization. You can also make this visible explicitly, like at PyCon > DE: everybody involved was called onto the stage in the end. I > understand many of them are involved in the organization of EuroPython > this year. I would certainly recommend getting folks on the stage again > at some point (though I would be bold enough to ask whether you could > speed up that procedure compared to PyCon DE). > > * As was proposed, simply increase variety of speakers by having each > speaker only have one talk. > > * Active outreach to PyLadies and such. It's my understanding that this > exactly that was done. > > * Some conferences let sponsors give some talks. That's a tricky thing > to get right. But here's a less controversial idea: for a community > organized conference I think it's fair if active organizers get a good > chance at getting *their* talk submissions approved. And then if > PyLadies is involved... > > * Grants, as you mention. > > Some of these ideas *do* influence the talk selection process, but not > in the form of quotas. The talk selection process is influenced by many > factors already, and we shouldn't pretend that the current way is only > fair way to do things. > > PyCon is the obvious place to go look for more/better ideas. > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July > EuroPython mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython -- Roberto Polli Community Manager Babel - a business unit of Par-Tec S.p.A. - http://www.babel.it T: +39.06.9826.9651 M: +39.340.652.2736 F: +39.06.9826.9680 P.zza S.Benedetto da Norcia, 33 - 00040 Pomezia (Roma) CONFIDENZIALE: Questo messaggio ed i suoi allegati sono di carattere confidenziale per i destinatari in indirizzo. E' vietato l'inoltro non autorizzato a destinatari diversi da quelli indicati nel messaggio originale. 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