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From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: Electric DeLorean bs list
> 1sclunn wrote:
>
> > Let's make a list of the number of ways to fake what they plan to do:
> >
> > 1. High density batteries hidden away in batteries.
> > 2. Burn fuel and generate electricity that are totally silent.
> > 3. Coils in ground and bottom of car.
> > 4. Close following "CAMERA TRUCK".
> > 5. The old "switch the car trick".
> > 6. Two of Rich's PFC50 [chargers] pumping amps in when nobody is
> > looking.
> 7 small nuclear reactor
on board which would have a enough fuel in it to last the life of the car
> 8 Black hole in a box which sucks electrons out of the end of a peice
of
wire other end hooked to batterys (would that be the + or -) .Must have
batteries to controll pull of electrons
> 9 Insider con
10 might really have discovered something new
> The above all assume they are con artists, trying to fool people. If
> that is the case, then you can include any sort of magician's sleight of
> hand.
Or one may be the con artist and the other the "beliver" what better way to
con people than by using someone that belives. I think littlefield is the
one being conned. Hope Mr. Talley wife is OK did you here???
>
> Another possibility is that they are well-meaning amateurs, who simply
> don't understand or know how to measure what they are doing. For
> instance, you build an EV conversion and drive it 10 miles; the
> batteries go from 13.0v to 12.5v. You might erroneously think "dead" is
> 0 volts, and conclude that you have only used 0.5v out of 12v, or 4% of
> their charge, and therefore could go a total of 250 miles! You'd
> discover your error as soon as you tried it.
yes but somebody built that car and they would know that . This is why I
think there is a con going on, on the inside.expamle Mr. L (littlefield)
meets Mr.T with the "gen on the wheel" idea .Mr. T say Yes thats ingienus
we'll be rich. Mybe he dose the old Quick discharge of a batterie (dead
short across for 10 sec) throws a motor/generator/voltmeter on the nocked
out battery ,it starts comming back voltage rising fast (do I need to
explane) Money starts comming out of Littlefield like the voltage rising on
the shocked battery . And is this so bad ? ( I look at a gun shoot wound to
the head as a mind opening experance ) We have an EV dolarin on the road and
they are going to show it at a speed way . My ev rallys may draw 50 people
If all goes right. He is doing better than me. Its to bad some million air
dosn't spend his money building lots of 10k conversions and giving them away
instead of 1 500k car that he thinks is charging its self, excuse me
extending its randge.
> Or, you have an exotic motor, and are measuring its efficiency with
> cheap meters and equipment. Suppose the motor really is 90% efficient.
> But your meter reads 10% low on voltage and current input. Your
> calculated efficiency is now 90% / (90% x 90%) = 111%. Yipee -- we're
> over-unity! Put a generator on the wheel to recapture the extra energy
> and we can drive all day!
testing would show not to be true. Who would not test such a new idea ? the
con man . Instead he puts off testing or dose little -field test that show
the battery voltage comming back after that T-rex sock hard on the k-mart
batterys . Mr. l is imprest more money flows . I'm calling this insider con
and betting on it
.
> And of course, they might really have discovered something new and
> different. The odds are very low, but it's not impossible. Many people
> have gone 100's of miles in electric cars, simply by getting all the
> details right (very efficient parts, ultra light car, special driving
> techniques, lots of very good batteries, etc.). A new gadget or
> invention could conceivably make further improvements.
we can put it on the list but odds are really really low as when there done
the 200 miles the batteries are to be still charged.
> >> If they aren't going to allow people to scientifically verify
> >> their claims then they deserve the ridicule and their so called
> >> "Demonstration" will be worthless.
now now now a new electric car is born, what we must rejoice!!
> Backyard inventors are (perhaps rightly) skeptical of the established
> business, scientific, and engineering professions. They don't have the
> language, the contacts, or the resources to fight against such firmly
> entrenched interests. History is full of examples of great inventions
> that were ridiculed, stolen, or suppressed because the inventor didn't
> know how to present, promote, or protect his invention.
Sound like what Mr. T said to Mr. L
> Their "demonstration" may not really be intended for the general public.
> Maybe it's just the first time they will test the range of their new EV,
> and they are so proud of it that they are inviting people to watch.
> (They don't know themselves how it will turn out). They may have
> investors already lined up who will give them money if it works (and a
> public demo is harder to rig and does a little free market research as
> well).
Also if it just goes 100 or even 75 miles they could still clame parsal
susess at least Mr. T could or would (we need more money Mr. L more money )
> If their invention really works, what they need most is not money or
> investors; it's a) scientists to figure out how and why it works,
> engineers to perfect it to be manufacturable, and c) lawyers to protect
> it so it can't be stolen or misued. Only then are they ready to talk to
> business interests and seek production. Of course, money helps in
> finding such people. But if you don't have the money, you can attact
> them with a good demonstration (it proves that you are the 1 in 1000 who
> really has something good, and not just a fraud).
> --
> Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
> 814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
> Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
> leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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