If we do this. What kind of charger and voltage regulators will be needed? Lawrence Rhodes.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Matteson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: Re: Great Idea Lithium Ion fuel cell
> Wow, there are some really good developments in Li-Ion > recently....145Wh/kg?!?! > > $7000 per pack is not bad at all, let alone $4000. I had calculated that > for about the same range, or less, I'd need $32,000 of Thunder-Sky batteries > (with no quantity-price-reduction). I am probably off somewhere, but still, > these new Li-Ion technologies look like they'll end up in my next/current > EV. NiMH doesn't seem to be quite as good as originally planned, at least > compared to the cost. Maybe we all could order some together and get a > discount? Some federal/state/university funding wouldn't hurt either. I > think the best choice for me now would be (100) 50Ah 3.6V units. It should > give about 60-70 miles of range, and I wouldn't need any power supplies to > step up the low PbA-configuration voltage I have now (96->360), to drive my > 15HP AC motor. > > Art > > > With high density Lion batteries long range the public wouldn't know the > > difference if we called it a fuel cell and said it was refueled > electricly. > > George W probably wouldn't know the difference. Think we could get a > > hundred buyers. Lawrence Rhodes... > > > > US Co. (Rhode Island) seeks UK / worldwide partners, clients, government > > support etc. for its new generation of low-cost, ultra-long-range Lithium > > batteries. (April, 2002) > > -Range: over 200 miles per charge. Quick 80% recharge in under 1 hour. > > > > -Battery life: up to 200,000 miles - the life of the car. > > > > -Cost : $5000-$7000 per EV battery-pack at 100 pack production volume BUT > > just $4000(!) per pack with large-scale production volumes. > > > > - Stephen Eaves of Eaves Devices Inc. (Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > recently contacted EVUK in its efforts to bring its latest generation of > > low-cost long-range Lithium Ion batteries to the attention of all those > > involved in manufacturing, designing and promoting electric vehicles here > in > > the UK and elsewhere in Europe. > > > > The following is an extract from recent correspondence with Stephen Eaves > of > > Eaves Devices Inc.: > > > > " I am the president of a start-up company - Eaves Devices Inc.- of Rhode > > Island, USA. We have a technique for producing large Lithium-ion battery > > packs at greatly reduced cost. However, it is still quite difficult to > write > > a convincing business plan here in the USA for a technology that would > > replace combustion engine vehicles, when gasoline sells for $1.29/Gallon. > > > > We hope that we might have better luck if we created a business model that > > included the European market. > > > > >From the information on your website, the UK looks very promising. > > > > As you may know, one important factor when considering the battery service > > life of long range EVs (200-400 mile range) is that daily battery depth of > > discharge is quite low. For example the operator may make a daily commute > of > > 40 Miles, where the car has a total range of say 200 miles. Under these > > conditions, if the operator recharges every night, our Li-ion batteries > > would obtain 5,000 to 7,000 charge cycles, making the service life of the > > battery over 200,000 miles total. This is distinctly different from > previous > > life cycle cost studies on lead-acid EVs where the battery is almost fully > > discharged every day of use. In these studies, the battery replacement > costs > > cancel the fuel savings and maintenance benefits of an EV. In our life > cycle > > analysis, the battery would last the life of the car, and there is strong > > evidence that the car would require much less maintenance and last longer > > than an ICE vehicle. > > > > Also, we are preparing to do a long range electric vehicle demonstration > on > > our own Solectria Force EV. With the right contacts, we think we could do > > the demonstration in the UK as well as the US. Preferably this would be > done > > in partnership with an electric vehicle producer that would also benefit > > from the publicity. At 144Wh/kg our batteries could easily make a 200-400 > > Mile range, depending on the accommodations of the base vehicle. If you > know > > of some EV companies approaching the UK market, and if you would like to > see > > a long range EV demonstration in your area, we would be quite thankful for > > any contacts or information that you could provide. > > > > It is more difficult to get funding here for battery EVs because of the > > Freedom Car Program that has diverted much of the resources to Fuel Cells. > > We have detailed research that shows why battery electrics are a much > better > > choice for the environment. The US automakers and oil companies are almost > > one in the same, and the source of hydrogen for the fuel cell vehicles is > > scheduled to come from fossil fuels. Based on Department of Energy > studies, > > the total efficiency when converting and transferring energy from a > > renewable source, such as a wind generator, to the wheels of a battery > > electric vehicle is more than 300% higher than if the energy is being > > converted to hydrogen for a fuel cell vehicle. The UK has a very promising > > future with wind and wave energy - you are certainly on the right track > with > > battery electric vehicles!" > > > > Stephen Eaves (Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > President > > Eaves Devices Inc. > > Charlestown, RI, 02813 > > USA > > Phone 401-364-2061 > > Fax 401-364-3803 (Note: an Eaves Devices Inc. website is currently in > > construction) > > > > > > << previous forward >> > > contact us > > >
