EV Digest 2564
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: ampabout, OT a bit an' Stuff.
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Fun with EV's
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) RE: 48 Volt charger wanted...
by "Chris Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Saft Ni-Cad temperature sensor - 4th failure
by Matt Trevaskis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Battery capacity calculations
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Dump charger with manners (was RE: 20 minute charge to 80%)
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: 48 Volt charger wanted...
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Electric Renault Express Vans
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Controller and Charger needed
by "Richard Furniss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Fun with EV's
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Accessory belts, was:Truck etc.
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: EverCell Charger question and miscellany
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: EVLN(Billed as cars of the future, now they're gone) Worth Reading !
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: 48 Volt charger wanted...
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) GM's cheap little pathway
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) White Lightning on ebay
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: EV digest 2563
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
18) Re: White Lightning on ebay
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: 48 Volt charger wanted...
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Battery replacement time!
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) RE: Battery replacement time!
by "Yoder, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Battery replacement time!
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Battery replacement time!
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: EV digest 2563
by "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Fun with EV's
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Not-a-peep from Intel. After prodding the contract agency, I
> found I was not chosen. So, I switched tactics by applying
> to a flurry of non-HiTech jobs (Do you want fries with that?).
>
> SNIP Snip> ...
> So, if I get the guard job after their training, I will be
> earning my pay by working to stay awake from boredom, while
> praying that the field service jobs I applied to will call
> and rescue me :-o
>
> Hi EV ereybody;
What a stunning indightment to the "State of the Union" Chat the prez
was on, last nite, on the Radio! Along with that, out here, Airline pilolts
asking me if they could get a job flying the Acela, train. A bit of a"
comedown", for them, but it would put food on the table. Oh, they would be
welcome in better times, ya hafta start as a conductor, and work into the
Eng. training program, "Choo Choo U. as we call it. But, don't ask! As
Amtrak, like most airlines, is fighting for it's life, as I speak, in
Congress. The Prez DOD talk about Fool cells, but didn't breathe a word
about EV's that exist already, or mass transit?Money for this, money for
that. God! The National debt is gunna go through the roof! Guess the only
reason I have a job still is they can't pick up the RR and move it to China
or Mexico, so they can pay the help 29 cents a day to run it. I am very
lucky this way. Of course if Amtrak bombs, I'll be looking like Bruce, but
to quote the line in the Movie "Titanic, Bruce Ismay ,White Star Line CEO;
"'But......She can't Sink!" But She DID, and ruined alotta folks' day.
But you wouldn't know this, looking about, roads choked with shiny SUV's
4and 5 Hundred thou houses selling like hotcakes in CT, the modest, say, 1k
or 150k ranches being buldozed under for the LOT! To build SUV houses I
call them, BIG obnoxious Tara like houses. Silly size, for two people! When
I was a kid on Long Island , houses that size bore names and were Summer
Resorts "The Point House' The Dunes" They need a shuttle bus(electric) to
get around in them.Bathrooms the size of bedrooms, living rooms the size of
Gyms! Waste! Waste! No wonder the kids grow up without parents! They both
hafta work, work, work, to pay the mortgage AND the heating bills for these
palaces. Show show show,"Look at me look at me NOW! " said the Cat in the
Hat, , 3 car garage for the SUV and Mercedes or Porsche. Gotta remember to
pick up the kids at daycare, swing by the Stupermarket for prepared meal to
take home. Don't have time to fix dinner, or sully that designer kitchen, or
stack the dishwasher, with dirty dishes.
Don't know where it's leading or the Answer, If I did, could have a
fancy job in Washington, guiding the USA sinking ship of state, to run it on
the beach, to effect repairs. Hafta take my little niche, developing and
running working EV's one car at a time. My State of the Union address, to
all the other guyz out there working and driving EV's The technology will be
here when needed, whenEVer.
OK back to Evercells and million lb trucks, going up grades<g>! An' a
better heater for the Rabbit. It doesn't make it @ 5 below, the other nite!
My 500 ohms worth.
Seeya
Bob
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From: Walker, Lesley R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 2:17 AM
Subject: RE: Fun with EV's
> Bob Rice wrote:
> > Guilty! I enjoyed the story so much I thiought EVerybody
> > else might So I forwarded it with mine.
>
> Your sentence will be to keep forwarding any such stories, from
> John W or anyone else for that matter.
>
> I'm sorry he's left the list, his stories are Really Good,
> especially for passing on to others to show what EVs can do.
> I know, others can write stories too, but Blue Meanie is
> pretty special.
>
Hi Les;
Write ON !, when I get a Good One, I'll send it along. John , If yur
listening, you're missed , by those who love ya! Come on back No questions
asked<g>!I'll try to send some good ones, myself.
Bob
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Jon wrote:
> I'm looking for a 48 Volt (for flooded lead-acid) charger.
> Does anyone
> have one they want to sell? I need one big enough to charge 8 Trojan
> T-125s.
Uh, maybe.
I have the original 48V charger from my '80 Lectric Leopard. It's
virtually brand new. The car has only 100 miles on it. It's just a
transformer/rectifier with a Hi/Lo switch (different taps), an ammeter,
a timer and a male 120V plug connector. Oh, and a 12V tap that is
guaranteed to cook your accessory battery (so I've been told). No
smarts. It's crude, heavy, reliable and isolated.
I'd be happy to sell it, unless the transformer could be useful to me.
Would it? It has more taps than are being used. (See sketch of the
Leopard wiring, charger is at upper right. Thanks to Brian Matheny for
the link: http://home.attbi.com/~bmatheny/lepschem.htm) Any chance it
has a 120V tap so I could turn it into a 120V backup charger? I believe
my Fair Radio charger is limited to 135VDC, not the ~156V(?) needed for
a 120V pack. (We're well into the realm of things I don't understand
here. The only reason I ask this is that I've read a Bad Boy can charge
a 144V pack.)
I'll take a look at the transformer tonight to see if there's a label
that might help. Lacking that, I guess I could pug it in and poke at
the taps with a voltmeter to see what it has.
So, back to the question: If it's of no probable use for me, I have a
basic charger in great condition that I'd be happy to sell.
Chris
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Tom,
Thanks for the info on the sensors... yes, it is exactly the same as the one
on your web page.
I've been waiting all this time for correspondence from Peugeot's importer
and finally seem to be getting somewhere! I was reluctant to do anything
"renegade" since the warranty issue was somewhat unclear - the scooter was
only under warranty for a year, but the batteries are covered for 4 years
(or 55,000 discharged Ah, whichever comes first) so didn't know where I
stood!
I had the ECU memory read, of which one of the figures is the time that the
batteries spend at or above 50�C which is currently running at a total of 66
hours. Peugeot (in France) seem to think that figure is too high, and that
the batteries have been overheating and killing the sensors. I'm surprised
that there haven't been symptoms more serious than just dead sensors (though
I'm glad that I haven't experienced a "When NiCads go boom" scenario!!)
Doesn't it sound a bit far-fetched that the temperature sensor would die at
that kind of temperature? It's a TEMPERATURE sensor-that is it's job!!
I'm now waiting for a new sensor and to monitor battery temp and see if the
batteries are cooking themselves and everything around them!
One good thing is that I might be getting a new battery pack under warranty!
Matt
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Alan Shedd wrote:
> battery capacity increases as rate of energy withdrawal decreases...
> 1) During acceleration - limit current draw or supplementing main
> pack output and reduce voltage sag. This is a transient problem.
> 2) During steady-state such as cruising down the highway at
> relatively constant load and use supplemental power to extend range.
>
> I have looked at Uve's EV calculator. I do not see a practical way
> to "trick" it for this kind of analysis and it doesn't address type
> 1) usage anyway.
On my spreadsheet, I use Peukert's equation to compensate for steady
state battery current, and a simple resistance in series to simulate the
I^2R effects. For simplicity, I just lumped the total battery internal
resistance, wire and connector resistance, controller equivalent
resistance (really only resistive for MOSFET controllers), motor
resistance, etc.
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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Lee Hart wrote:
>> The danger is that you (usually) don't know what the per-cell
>> voltage is in a long series string. Most of them might be
>> under 2.37v, but one is over it...
George Tylinski wrote:
> Oh, joy, positive feedback. The high current amplifies cell-to-cell
> voltage differences, and the hi-V cells lose life-giving electrolyte.
> Stout equalization required, which only gets you to block-level
> equalization.
You'd like to know what is happening to individual cells; but the
information is most useful if you can *replace* a single cell that goes
bad. If your batteries have multiple cells, one bad cell means you have
to replace the whole battery anyway.
> Perhaps breaking the string into segments, one could put lower-V dump
> chargers in parallel and reduce the inequalization. It would also
> reduce the source pack's and dump charger's voltage requirement for
> whatever that's worth.
If you just look at energy storage capacity per dollar for your dump
pack, then it would use low voltage, high amphour capacity batteries
(for example, 6v golf cart batteries). Then, you'd use enough of them to
get the total amount of energy you need. For example, say you want to
put 10kwh into your EV. So the dump pack needs to store 12kwh to cover
losses. Each golf cart battery delivers about 0.75kwh at the 1-hour
rate, so you'd need 12kwh / 0.75kwh = 16 of them. 6v x 16 is a 96v
system.
Now, your EV probably has a higher voltage system. You could use a boost
converter to step up the voltage (like Rich's PFC chargers). Or, you
could split your pack, and wire the two halves in parallel for charging.
For example a 144v pack becomes two 72v packs. You could then use a
Curtis controller as a buck converter.
> My concern with peak current was for the wiring and fuses to survive
> inrush. Sounds like it would not be an issue for a typical EV.
Only in the sense that the charging cord and connector will be some
pretty heavy wire for a fast charging setup.
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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From: Chris Tromley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:08 AM
Subject: RE: 48 Volt charger wanted...
> Jon wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for a 48 Volt (for flooded lead-acid) charger.
> > Does anyone
> > have one they want to sell? I need one big enough to charge 8 Trojan
> > T-125s.
>
> Uh, maybe.
>
> I have the original 48V charger from my '80 Lectric Leopard. It's
> virtually brand new. The car has only 100 miles on it. It's just a
> transformer/rectifier with a Hi/Lo switch (different taps), an ammeter,
> a timer and a male 120V plug connector. Oh, and a 12V tap that is
> guaranteed to cook your accessory battery (so I've been told). No
> smarts. It's crude, heavy, reliable and isolated.
>
> I'd be happy to sell it, unless the transformer could be useful to me.
> Would it? It has more taps than are being used. (See sketch of the
> Leopard wiring, charger is at upper right. Thanks to Brian Matheny for
> the link: http://home.attbi.com/~bmatheny/lepschem.htm) Any chance it
> has a 120V tap so I could turn it into a 120V backup charger? I believe
> my Fair Radio charger is limited to 135VDC, not the ~156V(?) needed for
> a 120V pack. (We're well into the realm of things I don't understand
> here. The only reason I ask this is that I've read a Bad Boy can charge
> a 144V pack.)
> Hi All;
Had to break in here an' say that a Fair Radio charger WILL do a 120
volt pack, just FINE, it will go up to 150 volts softly, just fine. So, give
it a try, yul be presntly surprised! This is off a 120 volt outlet. Tryit on
240, it may go higher? Never needed it to. As for 120 volt Bad Boyz, they do
fine up to 126 volts, a plug it in and forget it charger. Almost went to a
126 volt Rabbit to have this featire, BUT wherethehell do you PUT another T
145 in a Rabbit, beyond 20, the glove compartment? Tried it with one plopped
behind the copilot's seat. Nice, but it seemed so clunky there. Of course
yur voltage may vary? I have ROCK solid 120 volt outlets at work an' at
home.
Charging along
Bob
> I'll take a look at the transformer tonight to see if there's a label
> that might help. Lacking that, I guess I could pug it in and poke at
> the taps with a voltmeter to see what it has.
>
> So, back to the question: If it's of no probable use for me, I have a
> basic charger in great condition that I'd be happy to sell.
>
> Chris
>
>
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Hello,
Jens, i'm happy to hear you have the EV grin.
I'm actualy dealing for the Renault service computer you speak about, will
be great to have it but note that it's not indispensable because we know the
manual batteries servicing procedure with the control dashboard (like the
peugeot scootelec)
My ad is in the tradin post with more pictures to come soon, so this is the
short one
If someone need one complete or batteries, we have 6 cars left, all are
tested and work great ! you own the working car and the 18 like new Saft
STMR140 ni-cad inside.
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/331.html
I profit of this message to ask if there is people in USA interested in our
electric scooter: the Scooler
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/332.html
note : this is the 60 miles/35 Mph version
Forgetting possibly the mass production far to expensive, we will start soon
a little production to satisfy european requests, i'm trying to convince the
boss that USA ev hobbyist want it too !
So, on the list members opinion, what will be the US market for an electric
scooter about 5000euro price, with 65 to 95 miles guarantied range at
respectively 50 to
35 Mph ?
Get a look on Lepton or other and compare batteries technologie/range they
claim with price.
thanks for your coming comments, flames for the ad, or encouragements ;^)
Philippe, over the pond, France, where Ev time cycle is going away too !
Et si le pot d'�chappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
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From: "Schacherl Jens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EVList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: Electric Renault Express Vans
> Red Nose Day 2003: Comedy hilft!
> Unter dem Motto "Tut was Verr�cktes und sammelt Geld" rufen Comedians,
> Musiker und andere K�nstler zu Spenden f�r Not leidende Kinder auf.
> Die verr�ckte Comedy-Spenden-Gala am 14. M�rz, 20:15 Uhr live auf
ProSieben.
> Mehr Infos auf www.rednoseday.de und im ProSieben Text S. 707
>
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>
>
>
> Bought one of those last autumn and I'm quite happy with it, so far.
> I could fix a minor technical problem myself (corroded wiring at and
replacement of aux 12V battery), only the licensing process was a little bit
complicated because these vehicles come without any car documents.
> The batteries are included (no leasing).
>
> Range is at least 90 km even at -15� Celsius, I expect more than 100 km at
higher temperatures and dry roads (it's winter now in "old Europe" ;-).
> Top speed and acceleration may seem low, but other drivers don't expect
much from this kind of vehicle, the ICE version is definitely no race car,
too!
>
> One possible problem is that all EV components like motor controller,
charger and DC/DC (even the gasoline heater!) are controlled and governed by
a proprietary electronic management system, so you can't replace them with
other parts if anything breaks. You also need the Renault service computer
to start the maintenance charge for battery watering and resetting the Ah
counters.
>
> As far as I know, Renault built about 150 of these vans, most of them were
sold to public institutions or companies in France and Switzerland like EDF
(Electricite de France) who wanted to show a "green" image.
> Renaults successor EV, the "Kangoo electrique" is at least officially
available for sale, please see my related post about this at
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/think_ev/message/1991 .
>
> Regards, Jens
>
>
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Anyone know about the Electric Renault Express Vans?
> > Seen at http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/331.html
> >
> > Some are for sale over in France (see the Tradin' Post) - complete &
> > running for a little less than just the NiCad batteries would cost.
> > Tempting in a way to get a couple of the packs for re-use (if can make a
> > long string), but they are just too cute to scrap for parts. By American
> > standards they are a bit lethargic (0-30 in under 10 seconds and top
> > speed 55 mph), but for the intended use as an urban delivery van not
> > bad. I don't exactly why the pilot program they were built for ended.
> >
> > Would the US allow such to be imported and put on the road?
> >
> > _________
> > Jim Coate
> > 1992 Chevy S10
> > 1970's Elec-Trak
> > http://www.eeevee.com
>
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Stan over at Logisystems gave me the ok to give out his e-mail address
[EMAIL PROTECTED] you can contact him with your questions, he is
specializing in High Performance Custom golf carts. Low Voltage!
As for the squeal, good luck ;)
LOGISYSTEMS
5301 W. Oakey Blvd
Las Vegas, NV, 89146
702-498-9047
www.lasvegasev.com
Richard Furniss
Las Vegas, NV
1986 Mazda EX-7 192v
1981 Lectra Centauri 108v
3 Wheel Trail Master 12v
Board Member, www.lveva.org
Las Vegas Electric Vehicle Association
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From: "Paul G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Controller and Charger needed
> Seth wrote:
> >I am back from my west coast tour, and I met up with a few EVers in the
> >greater Las Vegas area. I saw his car, and a few others. We stopped by a
> >shop that did some Curtiss controller hot-rodding. Richard Frurniss
> >might be able to get you the name, it was a lot of names to remember
> >that day.
>
> I would be interested in that info as well. I would like to have the
> squeal removed from a 1231C controller. Something was posted onlist a
> while back about removing the squeal from a 1221C, but I already have
> two 1221B controllers.
>
> Neon
>
>
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Chuck Hursch wrote:
> RE the charging at work scene, when I asked the building owner
> where I used to work back in the mid-90s about charging, they
> hemmed and hawed...
Typical! A few little ideas for next time:
1. It is easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission.
"I'm sorry, I didn't think it would be a problem. I do have circuit
breakers and a GFCI, so it's safe. I do have a means to keep the
current low enough so it won't cause any of your breakers to trip.
I keep track of the electricity used, and would be glad to pay you
for it. Tell you what; I only use about $0.50 worth each charge;
how bout if I pay you double that?"
2. Figure out who is most likely to say "yes", and ask them!
Your boss, if he's eager to keep you working there. Someone in the
plant's facilities dept. if you can find a friendly ear. Someone
in HR or Advertising who is also responsible for local clean air
programs, reducing commuter traffic, etc. Anyone easily bribed
(that guy in Maintenance said "yes" after a few beers :-)
3. Offer to offset your EVs energy use.
Replace some lights that are left on all the time with fluorescents.
Replace the CRT computer monitor on your desk with an LCD. 100 watts
left on all the time is 2.4 KWH per day!
> It's the principle of the thing.
Yes; it absolutely is!
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Another option if you're out of length-wise space would be to put
> a 'lay' shaft alongside the motor... I'll try my hand at an Ascii
> sketch if the Master will bear with me: [snip]
Excellent! Now I understand. I think it would be called a jack shaft in
the US. (I wonder who Jack was, and if he knew Mr. Lay :-)
I had another idea that might work in my situation. Does anyone know
anything about flexible shafts? Is it possible to get one that can
handle high torque and rpm without excessive losses?
If so, I can imagine drilling a hole in the end of the shaft of a motor,
even if it has *no* exposed length, and shrink-fitting a pin into it The
inside of this pin would have a square hole or splines to accept a
standard flexible shaft. The flexible shaft would bend around as needed
to where it directly drives the alternator or other accessory load.
The only book I have with engineering data on flexible shafts is the
W.M.Berg catalog. Their largest size is 5/16" dia. and good for up to
6000 rpm, a 5" minimum bend radius, and 1.1 horsepower. No hint on the
losses, though. Given their small size, they can't be worse than a belt
or the flexible shaft would run red hot!
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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"David Roden (Akron OH USA)" wrote:
>
>...I don't know whether you can run the
> software for the NLG5 without the charger. I haven't tried it yet.)
I have, it works fine without charger ('course complains it can't find
a charger). Really cool feature is that you can convert the charger from
autonomous (fully automatic) charger to a CAN controlled one, or to
a booster module with one mouse click, see menu in upper right corner,
where is says "Auto" now (German version shown):
Also, neat feature Ralph could have used to possibly avoid his
recent NiCd trouble - there is a module you can use expanding temp.
sensors inputs to 48 sensors, one per battery. If any sensor detects
abnormal conditions, it reports it (yes, my understanding is,
while you drive, I need to confirm this).
Runs fine with W98, W2k and NT4.0, may be others. No DOS this time.
http://www.metricmind.com/line_art/chargestar.gif
What can I say? Very fine machine. I believe, $5M went to development.
Victor
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1sclunn wrote:
>
> 45,000 in the us and 450 in the album so 1 in 100 find there way in to the
> album . That could mean every time I see a new car in the album 100 more are
> born :-) at that rate in 40 years we will dubble the number on the road
> ;-(
I believe France alone has 12,000 or so. Europe offers many models
for sale. Look at partial list (with images) for Germany alone:
http://www.ct-werner.de/htm/emobil/utw/emobilov.htm
Some more:
http://www.ct-werner.de/htm/emobil/utw/emobil.htm
Victor.
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Chris Tromley wrote:
> I have the original 48V charger from my '80 Lectric Leopard...
> Any chance it has a 120V tap so I could turn it into a 120V backup
> charger?
It's been used with a bridge rectifier instead of the center-tapped
full-wave rectifier to charge Leopards with 96v packs (twelve 8v
batteries). Note that going to a bridge doubles the voltage but halves
the current (48v 40amps becomes 96v 20amps).
I think the taps will get you up to 108v but that's about it.
You could also connect the 12vdc output in series, to raise the output
another 12v and so get to 120v. However, the 12v winding is only rated
for 5 amps, so that would be the new maximum charging current.
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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Yesterday I saw a GM pathway at an hp site. It was sitting
in a least used parking lot (one that people have to walk
farther to get into the buildings).
It looked like it had only been driven once since receiving
it (it had someone's clothing still in it). The
manufacturing manual was still in its plastic sleeve and
taped around the steering wheel shaft.
In the rear, a small battery charger was tucked away on a
small shelf between the rear wheels. It is portable and
about the same size of a 10amp 12V automotive charger. On
the front of the charger it stated that it ran off 120VAC,
had an output of 48V at 14 amps.
The pathway is much smaller than the Think neighbor or GEM.
The length and width are less, and it looks like the battery
compartment is tucked under the seat and runs to the rear
axle.
The size of this battery box is quite small. While I was not
able to look at the batteries (hands in pockets), at 48V, it
did not look like 6V batteries were used. It looked like
there was only room for 4 group 27 12V deep cycle
batteries.
If the GEM and the Ford wannabe have a 72V system using
group 27 batteries that owners are lucky to get a 20 mile
range on, then the pathway with only 4 group 27's will only
have a 15 mile range at a much slower speed.
The design of the frame and seating is even less robust than
a common golf cart. The pathway I saw had lights, turn
signals, lic plate holder, and a horn. But it does not have
the speed to be taken out on the road (thus it can't be called
an nEV).
I thought the GEM and its Ford wannabe was cheap. Gawd!, the
pathway must be at half the cost.
So, GM goes to extremes to not make EVs. GM:
-makes a 60,000-100,000 EV1, rather than targeting for a
$20,000 vehicle market
-stifles demand by limiting leases
-lie in front of CARB saying no one wants them
-and now give away cheap golf carts to get the CARB credits
How obscene.
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Bill
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:39:06 PST "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
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>
> EV Digest 2563
>
> Topics covered in this issue include:
>
> 1) Re: EverCell Charger question and miscellany
> by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 2) RE: EverCell Charger question - Li-Ion variation
> by "Mark Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 3) Re: EverCell Charger question - Li-Ion variation
> by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 4) Re: Fun with EV's
> by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 5) Re: 48 Volt charger wanted...
> by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 6) White Lightning on ebay
> by Henry Deaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 7) Battery capacity calculations
> by "Alan Shedd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 8) Re: EverCell Charger question and miscellany
> by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 9) Re: Fun with EV's
> by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 10) RE: Dump charger with manners (was RE: 20 minute charge to 80%)
> by "George Tylinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 11) Re: When NiCads go boom
> by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 12) RE: Saw a vehicle a couple of days ago...
> by "Walker, Lesley R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 13) RE: Fun with EV's
> by "Walker, Lesley R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 14) Re: EVLN(Billed as cars of the future, now they're gone) Worth
> Reading !
> by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 15) Battery replacement time!
> by "Yoder, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 16) Re: Fun with EV's
> by "Chuck Hursch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 17) Re: Accessory belts, was:Truck etc.
> by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 18) ampabout
> by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 19) Trikes from GC's. RE: How a simple electric vehicle limits
> speed and ammeter limits.
> by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> The Starting bid: US $450,000
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On 29 Jan 2003 at 13:44, Bob Rice wrote:
> Had to break in here an' say that a Fair Radio charger WILL do a 120
> volt pack, just FINE, it will go up to 150 volts softly, just fine.
Absolutely! I've done a 144 volt pack with one. It worked nicely as a
temporary charger for East Penn gel batteries (had to babysit them though,
because they're delicate). It might be a little slow and low in finish
voltage for flooded batteries at 144v, but I think it'd be fine at 132 or
even 138.
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Yoder, Chris wrote:
> My questions for the group are: (Please send answers directly to me
> rather than clutter the list with replies.)
I'll send my reply to the list, as it is on-topic and others might find
it useful.
> 1) Our experience was that the US Batteries 1450's (now the EV-145?)
> were messier than the Trojan 5SHP.
Part of the mess comes from how well the vent caps seal. And part is due
to how agressively you charge them.
If you have good tight caps, and your charger limits current to less
than 2% of the battery's amphour capacity when it is above the gassing
point, you should have little if any leaking or corrosion. This means
the charger should be under 5 amps when the voltage is over 7.1v for the
EV-145.
> 2) If you had to choose between the US Batteries EV-145 and the
> Trojan 5SHP, which would you pick and why?
In general, 6v batteries are true deep-cycle, while 12v batteries lean
more towards marine, RV, and starting applications. So the 6v EV-145 or
T-145 is going to outlast the 12v 5SHP.
But if you want the higher voltage so you can make the car go faster, or
so you can use fewer batteries (less range, cheaper, easier to fit them
in the car), then the 12v batteries may be preferable.
> 3) Is there another battery from a different manufacturer that will
> fit in the same space and deliver the same kind of performance?
If you mean "same space as a USB 1450", there are lots of choices in
golf cart size batteries. There are even some sealed AGMs.
> 4) Do battery regulators make a difference in how much mess / splatter
> a flooded battery makes?
They will if your charger is inclined to overcharge, and the battery
regulators are sufficiently robust to prevent it.
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Just to be clear, the USB 1450 was a big 12 volt just like the Trojan
5SHP. CRELTRC is set up for 10 12 volt batteries.
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On 29 Jan 2003 at 19:58, Lee Hart wrote:
> So the 6v EV-145 or
> T-145 is going to outlast the 12v 5SHP.
A couple of US Battery's model numbers are confusing.
The EV-145 is a 12 volt floor sweeper battery.
The US-145 is a 6 volt golf car battery.
The EV-145 (why "EV-" when it's a sweeper battery? You tell me) is
equivalent to the Trojan 5SHP. Both of these batteries will last longer
than 12 volt marine batteries, but not as long as 6 volt golf car batteries.
They weigh around 85 lb or so, IIRC.
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Lee Hart wrote:
>> So the 6v EV-145 or T-145 is going to outlast the 12v 5SHP.
David Roden corrected:
> A couple of US Battery's model numbers are confusing.
> The EV-145 is a 12 volt floor sweeper battery.
> The US-145 is a 6 volt golf car battery.
Oops! That's what I get for using my memory instead of looking it up.
Thanks for the correction.
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I had this same thing happen a few times and asked the same question. I
believe the answer was that the list server automatically does this if it
receives back a couple of bounced e-mails.
It's easy enough to fix, just send the list server the right message. I
always look at www.evalbum.com and scroll down to the link for the EVDL
instructions to look up the list server commands.
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Can anyone explain why I am receiving EV digest instead of individual
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Instead of getting a pat on the back for all the effort we go through not
to use up our resources many people would begrudge a few pennies of
electric. good luck with the job hunt. .
>
> RE., the charging at work scene, when I asked the building owner
> where I used to work back in the mid-90s about charging, they
> hemmed and hawed. I asked since I hadn't yet secured charging at
> my apt (this was before we put the EV on the road). Then some
> years later the building owner got upset since I hadn't asked for
> permission to plug in. I felt since they hadn't said "no", I
> would plug in to one of their 120V outlets for an hour or two
> while working in the evening after a trip down to Morrison
> Planetarium in San Francisco (34 miles roundtrip). Figure I'd do
> a little work and juice the batteries up a bit before venturing
> to my apt hill, especially if I have a weak cell or two. I guess
> the owner got a little tired of it after the 20th plug-in or so.
> As I understand it, it was the principle of the thing for him,
> but for me too it was the principle of the thing.
>
> For me, I walked off the job because of that incident, although I
> ended up going back in a couple of days. But a year and a half
> later (Aug 1999) I walked away from that great-paying software
> dev job permanently, in part because of the April 1998 incident.
> And I'm still basically jobless. I've had no prospective
> employer interested in offering charging. As I refuse to drive a
> gas car in a never-ending daily commute situation, my job radius
> is within 10-15 miles, since I'm not willing to drop the pack
> below 50% SOC on a continuing basis, I have a big cell-reversing
> climb to get home, and with just 120V charging, 30-40 miles is
> all I could get in overnight, especially if I had a late evening
> at work (a PFC-20 would definitely help). If employers were
> willing to see a touch beyond the bottom line and look at the
> benefits that EVs can offer the world, and be a little more
> open-minded about offering a 120V outlet (that's all it would
> take, and I'd offer to pay for installation and electricity),
> then my EV commute to work could go out to 25 miles each way,
> which would open up East Bay and San Francisco. I had a short
> job down in SF in Dec. 2000 - Feb 2001, 25 miles from here, in a
> tough neighborhood. I did not even consider this an EV trip
> without charging at work, but all parking was curbside. The 3-5
> hr roundtrip commute by bus is a lot of what ended that job. I
> don't see most employers as being focused on anything other than
> the bottom line and minimum hassle to conduct their business.
>
> So now when I drive past the building where I worked from 1989 -
> 1999, I see what looks like a diesel power generator over in the
> corner of the parking lot (I have not examined it closely to be
> sure). There is an additional one in another neighborhood some
> 2-300 feet away. I assume the one in the parking lot is so that
> during a CA summer-time power outage or Stage III power alert,
> they'll go ahead and fire it up, and have all the computers
> running (again) whilst the area fills up with the tang of diesel.
> I doubt any thought of a grid-intertie solar system on their
> sunny roof ever entered their minds. I did a back-of-the-napkin
> calc as to how many watts our company was using to keep all the
> computers humming away. Something like 50 computers at, say,
> 300W apiece = 15kW, plus airconditioners and all. But we're
> going to make it painful for an EV'er to plug in once in awhile
> and drive away with a couple of kWh.
>
> It's the principle of the thing.
>
> Rant off.
>
> Chuck Hursch
> Larkspur, CA
> NBEAA treasurer and webmaster
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 1sclunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Fun with EV's
>
>
> > As I remember you couldn't plug in at work , now you can ? I
> know that's
> > nice. Yes the "value of an EV is in direct proportion to the
> charger" but
> > you have to have a place to plug it in . When somebody ask me
> about cutting
> > there grass I right away ask about plugging in . Its a good way
> to start
> > talking about EV's. Wouldn't it be nice to tell your employer
> you can't work
> > for them unless you have easy access to a plug. With the set
> up I have in
> > my work truck (to big transformers) if I can get to a 240 plug
> I can pump in
> > 40 amp easy . allot of the water pumps are on 240 but have
> small brakers so
> > I go for the dyer outlet if possible.
> > I got half way through you post and though maybe John W.
> had posted a
> > new story, looked through the e-mail and found nothing
> ;-( .So I came
> > and finished reading yours , trying to figure how I got short
> changed .
> > ahhhh what is PDX.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:18 AM
> > Subject: Fun with EV's
> >
> >
> > > Hi John;
> > >
> > > Cool story! I can almost hear the tires do the Smoke
> thing, smell it.
> > > It's great to see the Meanie come out of " State" and do it's
> > transportation
> > > thing, of course a tip of the hat to Rich for the PFC -20, or
> is it 50,
> > that
> > > gives life to the Meanie. Have always argued that the value
> of the EV is
> > in
> > > direct proportion to it's charger. Yur as good as your
> charger. The Meanie
> > > has met it's match, in chargers. Makes yur day when yu find a
> hot outlet
> > out
> > > there than ya can sip some amps. THAT'S the frustrating thing
> in EVing
> > > everywhere. It would be so easy to have the streets awash, in
> 120 AND 240
> > > range plugs , a simple way to do it would be to offer
> businesses tax
> > breaks
> > > to them to provide them. Why should Tom, my guy down at
> Killingworth True
> > > Value hardware, good people, put out an outlet? He duz,
> anyhow, and I use
> > > it, but he is just being nice. He should get a tax break, or
> something He
> > > likes my EV, has gotten the guided tour and ride. Meanie
> would sure be
> > more
> > > inpressive, but Rabbbit's the only game in town, so it
> impresses with it's
> > > silky glide and takeoffs in 4th. no tire smoke, it just goes.
> Maybe Out
> > > West, advertising an outlet draws in EV biz? Enough out there
> to make a
> > > differance?
> > >
> > > Started running the Rabbit, yesterday. We had some
> tropical weather, up
> > > in the 30's, so I changed the LS CV joint. Pleasenty found
> that I could
> > slip
> > > it out, by pulling the tranny shifting bar, so I didn't hafta
> take the
> > > whole@#$% suspension apart, at the lower ball joint, so I was
> done in an
> > > hour. Mostly spent getting the rounded axle NUT off. Socket
> just SNAP, and
> > > pops off! Bummer, when yur standing on the breaker bar. With
> me, maybe 260
> > > lbs Foot Pounds of torque. The way I tighten them! I was in
> reach of my
> > > actheletelene torch, the Brass Wrench, so heated it up til it
> gave, with a
> > > inch size socket hammered on. I hear you crindging, but ya
> gotta do what
> > it
> > > takes! The nut gave, dug it out of the socket and wong it out
> across the
> > > slumbering CT meadow. Dust to dust, an all that shit! A new
> nut came wuith
> > > the "new" rebilt axle. Oh JOY!
> > >
> > > Put it all together, EVen to the silly little VW hubcap,
> turned the
> > amps
> > > up on the Rapture and went for a spin. I found a good way to
> try out CV
> > > joints; find some ice patches, put one wheel on it, yank up
> on the
> > handbrake
> > > and spin the wheel away, while yur turning the steering wheel
> back an
> > forth,
> > > listening for the clank clank. THEN do the other side. Yul
> find it that
> > way,
> > > but they are strange. Yu can ring it out that way, trundle
> off down the
> > > road, in clouds of contentment thinking Oh it wasn't the CV
> joint, then
> > all
> > > of a suddon, " Clank clank clank, or a wheel wrenching Bang
> bang, like it
> > > was gunna tear the stearing wheel out of yur hands. It's been
> fine EVer
> > > since, an' anyhow the rubber boot was split anyhow, so it was
> over due. I
> > > didn't SEE it was when it was in service. So, crap was
> chewing up the CV
> > > joint, an' I didn't know it.
> > >
> > > OK I'm gunna take it to work today, sunny, in the 30's
> hit it with the
> > > Blue Box charger, a few hours and away we go! The car hasn't
> run for about
> > a
> > > month, the Rapture controller problem, got it back a weak
> ago, and had put
> > > it back in the car, doing short bursts, round town, on the
> frozen
> > batteries.
> > > Haz been below 30 for weeks! Down in the teens EVery day,
> knocks the shit
> > > out of my range, but I can live with it, as I can plug in at
> Amtrak. Made
> > it
> > > to work, with plenty of juiceleft! Plugged in the variac,
> turned her up to
> > > 15 amps and walked away. Train , of COURSE was late, it
> always is when I
> > > make a date to meet somebody, a friend ,for dinner. So I came
> back, about
> > > half hour later, cranked it up to 15 again, and when I got
> back, about 3
> > AM,
> > > it was, like summer, nice an' juicy! Down to about 4-5 amps.
> Yeah! Not as
> > > slick as the PFC series, but it works for me.
> > >
> > > Snowing like hell, had been intown, so I knew we would
> have it in CT
> > too.
> > > It's amazing the climatic weather change from NYC to CT. Ya
> start out
> > > underground in Penn Station, out to the wilds of CT. Ya open
> the door or
> > > window of yur cozy EV, AEM-7 loco, in New Haven,and are
> assaulted by
> > blasts
> > > of fridged air, like yu just pulled in to Siberia! What! In
> 75 mile
> > flight,
> > > ya think? Finally get back to the car, turn on the electric
> ceramic heat
> > and
> > > dust a few inches of snow off, as the defroster duz its
> thing. in a few
> > > minutes it's warmed up, to cozy, from the gusty blowing snow.
> Roll up the
> > > chords an' drive away. Of course the car is QUIET! Tiptoeing
> through the
> > > relatively unplowed snow. I chose the backroads, two laners,
> which I had
> > to
> > > myself. Wish yu were here to enjoy gliding through the
> snowswept night.
> > > Gusty winds, wafting the snow across the roads. Passing a
> Bank's outside
> > > temp gage 16 degreez! Ya know it was windy, but in a million
> pound rabbit,
> > > it doesn't effect it, any more that training through it an
> hour ago in a
> > > lightweight 110 ton Loco. Ya sorta feel safe an' secure, at
> about 35-40
> > > gliding along. Yeah Need more heat, as the faster yu go the
> less heat yu
> > > get. . But it sure is better than NO heat! Becides, I hava
> pair of driving
> > > gloves, anyhow. The EV power can be applied so smoothly, I
> thought, just
> > for
> > > fun, take a very steep shortcut home, thinking i can back
> down, if it
> > > wouldn't. It didn't care, in second, went rite up the
> unplowed snowcovered
> > > ramplike steep hill. Had to try to spin the wheels. My
> Nokeans like snow,
> > I
> > > guess? I put my foot in it a few times and the wheels, both
> brake loose
> > and
> > > spin, of course the car starts to drift out of stearing
> control! So yu
> > don't
> > > do it long. made it home with plenty of juice left,
> gratifying as the
> > > batteries came out of their hiatus, willing to do their
> thing, but I sure
> > > want to go with something, Evercells or LiOns or SOMETHING in
> different to
> > > cold weather. Til then I can sorta live with 1440 lbs of
> lead, for now
> > > ,great for traction in the snow! But we gotta do better, I
> don't think
> > that
> > > Its ready for Joe Sixpack just yet, although the care an'
> feeding of the
> > > Rabbit wouldn't be a hassle to anybody handy enough to run a
> Home
> > > Entertaimnment Centre or a computer, for that matter. Look at
> all the
> > stick
> > > shift carz still running around out there. THEY take a bit of
> cordination,
> > > to make work, on the part of their pilots.
> > >
> > > Anyhow, that's a bit of life EV'wise in frozen CT. Spring
> is only 2
> > > months away, Think Woodburn, or WhEVer we end up at this
> summer? It's a
> > > balmy 18 degrees out now! Ah POO! But I'll run the Rabbit
> today, I think.
> > In
> > > the nice things about it. The sky is a beautiful rich BLUE,
> sun shining,
> > so
> > > clean looking outside, too bad it is so unpleasent out! You
> just don't see
> > > the crap in the air like in the summer.Optical disalusion, or
> something
> > like
> > > that.
> > >
> > > Seeya, through the gusting snow
> > >
> > > Bob
> > > >
> > > Hi All;
> > >
> > > Had to include this tire an' heart warming EVenture,
> share it
> > > along.enjoy!! I did. From John, in PDX.
> > >
> > > (snip)
> > >
> > > > I had called Marko at the metal shop, to see if he wanted
> to go get a
> > > burger together. He
> > > > instantly jumped at the chance for a bit of fun, a break
> away from the
> > > drudgery of the
> > > > metal shop these days (I'll need to go more into detail on
> this in
> > another
> > > post). He asked
> > > >
> > > > if I minded if Tom came along...Tom is about 35 or so and
> has owned
> > > tricked out 1200's in
> > > > his youth, so he was excited to ride in not only his first
> electric car,
> > > but to ride in an
> > > >
> > > > electric 1200!
> > > >
> > > > With three of us piled into my little econo car from
> yesteryear, I
> > turned
> > > north on 82nd
> > > > Ave., selected 2nd gear, punched the accelerator, and
> simply blistered
> > the
> > > right rear
> > > > tire, much to Tom's 'GEESHHH' delight. I drove pretty
> aggressively and
> > > took the car
> > > > crisply up to 60 mph in probably 7 seconds or so with three
> full sized
> > > dudes in on
> > > > board...Tom was absolutely blown away.
> > > >
> > > > We arrived at a classic old burger joint called 'Jim Dandy'
> and pulled
> > > into a spot. When I
> > > >
> > > > got out, I was surprised to see a beautiful pair of outdoor
> outlets
> > > complete with GFI's
> > > > and clear plastic flip up covers, right near the parking
> space I was in.
> > > We had driven
> > > > about 6 miles and the car had sipped away just 5.6 ahrs
> from the pack,
> > so
> > > it wasn't
> > > > anywhere close to being tired, but to freak Tom out even
> more and
> > without
> > > hesitation and
> > > > acting like I had expected the outlets to be there, I used
> the car's
> > > remote control, hit
> > > > button #4 and released the trunk latch, grabbed the twist
> lock-to-120VAC
> > > adapter and the
> > > > 25 ft. bright yellow power cord, and plugged in the car! I
> popped the
> > hood
> > > and had Marko
> > > > twist down the charger's current control so that the Meanie
> wouldn't pop
> > > the burger
> > > > joint's breakers, then we went in to dine on delicious old
> fashioned
> > type
> > > burgers, fries,
> > > > and refreshing ice cold root beers....mmmmm! While we sat
> and looked out
> > > the window, the
> > > > EV was attracting a small crowd of gawkers...the yellow
> power cord is in
> > > stark contrast to
> > > >
> > > > the deep blue paint, and so it screams, "HEY, I'm plugged
> in!!!"
> > > >
> > > > With our bellies full, we unplugged, piled back in, and
> took off back to
> > > the metal shop.
> > > > This time, I showed Tom the awesome torque power of an
> electric motor,
> > by
> > > pointing out
> > > > that the car was in 4th gear and that I would not touch the
> > clutch...then,
> > > thanks to the
> > > > ballsy DCP 1200 amp controller and that stump puller 9 inch
> ADC, we
> > simply
> > > motored away
> > > > onto the street, and with about a halfway-down pressing of
> the
> > accelerator
> > > pedal, we
> > > > pulled smartly up to the speed limit...Tom was again,
> stunned.
> > > >
> > > > At the shop, he and Marko got out, we said our goodbyes,
> and with the
> > > front tires turned
> > > > and the car on an incline in the parking lot, I mashed the
> GO pedal down
> > > and did a
> > > > righteous smoke show! Tom's mouth hung open and Marko just
> shook his
> > head
> > > as if to say,
> > > > "There goes Wayland again". I let off the throttle at the
> street
> > entrance,
> > > first looked
> > > > around for cops, then turned left while in 3rd gear from a
> dead stop. It
> > > had rained
> > > > yesterday, but today it's sunny and dry again, so the
> streets have just
> > a
> > > hint of wetness
> > > > on them in places....this was ideal for a 'See Ya tire
> ignition
> > > sequence.'....I could see
> > > > in my rear view mirror that Tom hadn't gotten enough yet
> and that he and
> > > Marko were
> > > > watching to see if the tires would be punished some
> more....yup!....I
> > > hammered down the
> > > > pedal and the tires both spun wildly with a very satisfying
> constant
> > > squeal that lasted
> > > > for an entire block, leaving a good cloud of smoke in my
> wake.
> > > >
> > > > I got back to the Wayland EV Juice Bar with just 15.4 ahrs
> gone from the
> > > pack and a
> > > > healthy 160V reading on the Emeter, twisted the PFC20's
> current knob all
> > > the way up (as it
> > > >
> > > > usually is), and plugged into the 240VAC supply. By the
> time I get done
> > > typing this to
> > > > you, the Meanie will be topped off and ready to rock again.
> > > >
> > > > See Ya........John
> > > >
> > > > A nice winter blah's fighting story!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
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