EV Digest 2623
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Non-profit EVs (was: EV1s waiting,rant, an' stuff)
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: EV1s waiting,rant, /nonprofit
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: BMS communication
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Liability (was Re: Gliders (part 3)
by Sam Uzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: EV PC
by Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: SVR 14 batteries 4 sale SP17 Marathorn Nicads 4 sale
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Liability
by Marvin Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) DCP controllers, update
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: DCP controllers, update
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
10) Re: EV PC
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: DCP controllers, update
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Liability (was Re: Gliders (part 3)
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Hot Rod Badsey HotScoot for sale on Ebay
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Hot Rod Badsey HotScoot for sale on Ebay
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Gliders (part 3)
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: DCP controllers, update,stuff
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: DCP controllers, update,stuff
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Hot Rod Badsey HotScoot for sale on Ebay
by Matthew Muelver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> If I win the lottery and start a private company, I can play dictator
> and pick a path and start building... no need to impress anyone until
> the product is together and ready to sell.
>
The owner of a small EV biss who won the lottery was asked by reporters "
what are you going to do now that you've won the lottery?" He replied " O
I'll probable just keep selling EV's till the money runs out " (joke)
I got to see the military pic , That was funny .
Steve Clunn
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I believe it's not just the EV cars we need but also a EV gas station ,?
There
needs to be a place in each town or in the town were the EV's are where they
can be fixed. Somewhere people can take them . This is the problem I am
having right now , All my conversions are over 50 miles away ,2 are over 100
miles . The people that have them knew little (nothing)about taking care of
them . They are learning but I still have to make trips ( just got back from
a 70 mile trip I did in the EV Mazda ,another story for later) . When I read
about all the stuff going on in CA it sounds like another world . How many
EV's in a small town do you think it would take to support a EV garage?. I
know I'm blowing
the EV conversion horn but before people buy factory EV's there needs to be
the repair shops in place( chicken /egg) . We just need a lot more
conversion on the road first. Rick would not have so hard a time with his
plan if %25 of the people he was talking to were driving conversion. Here
is my plan (don't tell my wife)
Cut a few extra yards everyday and with the money convert the nicest gas
Brunner over to electric ,then find somebody in my town to drive it and make
monthly payments of $300 ( they won't feel there getting into something they
can't get out of ) do this 10 times and I'll have an income of 3k /month
,which
along with all the grass cutting money I'll be able to do more cars.
sometime down the road open a EV station (move out of the back yard). As I
get more people driving them I'll have more money coming in > At 30 cars
I'll have 9 k and will be able to keep the ball rolling with one conversion
per month. Here is the funny thing , I really don't need money ( yes of
corse it would help ) What I need is people to drive them/buy them . The
Mazda is
still for sale and have had NO offers and can't find anyone to give me the
no money down $ 300 month deal (africa deal never came through, as I think i
blow it by saying I'd have to wait till the check cleared:-). I just got a
PFC 20 (another story )so for
the first time the car/truck could have a real charger if sombody wanted to
pay for it(That won't be leaving
without a down payment !). I had my neighbor driving it for a few weeks
till
I found out he had rented his gas car to his friend while driving my EV for
free. Why did this bother me? ( yes if your in Fort Pierce you could try
out an EV for free for a week or two if I
think your half sane) .I know these are not State of the art EV's but I am
surprised how hard I have to work to get ,what seems like a good plan to
work . I was thinking of Rick the other day and wondering if he has all his
money tied up like I have waiting for something to sell so as to pay off
the credit cards. I'd sent him a $100 also If something would sell but it
might not really help . (Don't send money just buy a car) .
Steve Clunn
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From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: EV1s waiting,rant, an' stuff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: EV1s waiting,rant, an' stuff
>
>
> > David Roden (Akron OH USA) wrote:
> > > I may be wrong -- I'm no MBA! -- But I think the way to get EVs
> > > into the market is through a nonprofit corporation. Nonprofits
> > > receive significant tax advantages
> >
> > Nonprofits don't pay taxes because they don't make money. The tax
> > benefits go to those who contribute (donate money to) to the nonprofit.
> > --
> Sounds like a plan! The Electric Vehicle Foundation, an outfit to
> manufacture electric vehicles. Non profit, like all those outfits that
went
> before it, BUT, as a tax writeoff to those who " Invest" in it.Sorta like
> donating to the PBS radio, or other charities, they could run " Fund
drives"
> Begathons, as you may.You could be a " Member in the Foundation, and
donate
> a bit, to help them get a new model on the road. Maybe get a break on a
new
> model, like cups an' T shirts from PBS, 'Cept the new car would be REALLY
> useful.
>
> Downside, It wouldn't happen in this political climate. The existing
> auto builders would scream, that they were being discriminated at by tax
> free competition, but enough Greenies could argue that the Foundation was
> really a Public service,above the ugly profit motive, and hence a Good
> Thing. Hell! Isn't cleaning up the air and cutting back on oil use a good
> thing? Good argument, like the EPA isn't a blue chip outfit, ether. Or the
> DMV or post office, or Amtrak, for that matter.The Interstate Highway
> System, far as I know, isn't paying any dividends to shareholders. But all
> of the latter DO provide a useful service to the nation. Dispite arguments
> of passengers in a stranded train, no food, heat or lites, or sitting in
> traffic for hours, because of a multicar pileup, visable from earth
> satalites.
>
> Right now, listening to PBS, the guy on the Radio used Segway, as an
> synonom for a useless gimick, on Rap in the Classroom, program, yu may
have
> heard it?? But it sorta is scary how a variation of an EV has been turned
> into a part of the language. Sigh.I havent REALLY been listening, but
Segway
> perked up my ears.Gunna switch it to WMNR our other classical station for
> some nice classical music.That's better!
>
> Guess we, the EV community could be a catalist to pull something off.
> Don't know HOW, fighting a in-place system. Other ideas?? Good thread
here?
> Whatdoya think?
>
> Another nonprofit outfit
>
> Bob
> > Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
> > 814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
> > Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
> > leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
> >
>
>
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Victor Tikhonov wrote:
>
> I've experimented with X10 phone dialer in my previous hose:
^^^^^
Whoops, that was suppose to be "house" :-)
Victor
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> Do we have to
> implement IQ test one has to pass as a condition for sale?
as Shakespeare said: "First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."
(appologies to any attorneys who might be reading)
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This may or may not work depending on how much of the original vehicle
is left. Most states require a bit ore than just the VIN tag. My
Toyota truck has a new state issued VIN number as a self constructed
vehicle. Even though it still looks like a Toyota truck and has the
original body, it has a different frame, suspension, and drive train.
Apparently that was enough that Arizona no longer considers it to be the
same vehicle.
On Thu, 2003-02-27 at 13:52, Victor Tikhonov wrote:
> Oh, I get it. Replace a bug body and drive train with a heavy
> truck but retain a dash with the same VIN - so you still legally have
> the same vehicle and save on insurance. OK, now - cool.
>
> What's wrong with this picture?
>
> Victor
>
>
> Lee Hart wrote:
> >
> > > Lonnie Borntreger wrote:
> > >> Here is the cool part... Then you wouldn't be driving "the same car
> > >> for whole life". You could have a truck, minivan, car, or whatever
> > >> you're in the mood for on any given day.
> >
> > Victor Tikhonov wrote:
> > > And pay insurance for as many cars as many body shells you
> > > have, because they are legally different cars. Not so cool.
> >
> > No; not if the VIN number was on a part of the car that wasn't changed
> > when you change body styles!
> >
> > Many VIN numbers are on the dashboard, along the bottom of the
> > windshield. A *lot* of the car can be changed before you have to disturb
> > this area.
> > --
> > Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
> > 814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
> > Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
> > leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
>
--
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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
svr14 how many ah are these what is the lbs. the sp17 what is the ah on
them also.? lbs?
have been thinking of doing a setup with 13 YT's and 13 of some smaller bat
and having them so they could be seriesed or paralleled to get 156 for
driving or 312v for a short blast of neck snapping power most of the time
the bats with be in parallel .
would probable charge them in parallel . any ideas on this
Steve Clunn
I don't know anything about the SP17s, but info on the SVR 14 batteries is
here:
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=&product_id=1907
Roy LeMeur Seattle WA
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on 2/27/03 1:14 PM, Electric Vehicle Discussion List at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> The last bike I bought came with a large manual that had a BIG yellow
> triangle on every other page with an exclamation mark and then a
> sentence under it that said something like "Caution, this bike is only
> designed for one person at a time", "Caution, do not try to grab the
> wheels when they are moving", etc.
The last pistol I bought had that yellow triangle and said, "Caution, Never
look down the barrel of a loaded firearm".
J. Marvin Campbell
Culver City, CA
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Ok, here's the deal. Damon has a colleague who
purchased used Corbin controllers. He or Damon are
waranteeing the product, and they are at a good price.
He has about 5 left or so. I know, b/c I purchased
one with throttle and remote indicators earlier today.
It's going to be a bit more of a wait on the DCDCs.
Contact me off list, and I will put you in touch.
Damon's "next big thing" will be a shunt controller to
obtain regen. From what I could glean, there will be
two models, similar to the current DCP controllers.
Since his controllers are programmable, he intends to
mate them with ADC _shunt_ wound motors, as well as
DH-somethingorother-- the founders of ADC. And yes, I
have permission to disclose it. (;-p
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Hi Bob,
What might Damon have for a GE 96 vdc 250 amp 27 hp shunt wound motor
with the shunt field limited to 36 volts and 20 amps ?
As a matter of fact, the technician at GE said the shunt windings would
fry immediately if they ever saw 20 amps.
Menlo Park III,
Bill
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:56:07 -0800 (PST) Bob Bath
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Ok, here's the deal. Damon has a colleague who
> purchased used Corbin controllers. He or Damon are
> waranteeing the product, and they are at a good price.
> He has about 5 left or so. I know, b/c I purchased
> one with throttle and remote indicators earlier today.
> It's going to be a bit more of a wait on the DCDCs.
> Contact me off list, and I will put you in touch.
>
> Damon's "next big thing" will be a shunt controller to
> obtain regen. From what I could glean, there will be
> two models, similar to the current DCP controllers.
> Since his controllers are programmable, he intends to
> mate them with ADC _shunt_ wound motors, as well as
> DH-somethingorother-- the founders of ADC. And yes, I
> have permission to disclose it. (;-p
>
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How is a Chevrolet Avalanche registered?
It can be either a pickup or a station wagon depending on the configuration
of the bed area.
http://www.newcars.com/model.php?camid=506188
Personally, I like the term Convertible because it can be converted from
truck to station wagon.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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From: "Victor Tikhonov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: EV PC
> Oh, I get it. Replace a bug body and drive train with a heavy
> truck but retain a dash with the same VIN - so you still legally have
> the same vehicle and save on insurance. OK, now - cool.
>
> What's wrong with this picture?
>
> Victor
>
>
> Lee Hart wrote:
> >
> > > Lonnie Borntreger wrote:
> > >> Here is the cool part... Then you wouldn't be driving "the same car
> > >> for whole life". You could have a truck, minivan, car, or whatever
> > >> you're in the mood for on any given day.
> >
> > Victor Tikhonov wrote:
> > > And pay insurance for as many cars as many body shells you
> > > have, because they are legally different cars. Not so cool.
> >
> > No; not if the VIN number was on a part of the car that wasn't changed
> > when you change body styles!
> >
> > Many VIN numbers are on the dashboard, along the bottom of the
> > windshield. A *lot* of the car can be changed before you have to disturb
> > this area.
> > --
> > Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
> > 814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
> > Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
> > leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
>
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Sorry Bill, you're jumping the gun. All I know is
1) golf cart controllers for awhile
2) shunt wound controllers and series-wound
controllers
3) DCDC converters.
I can't give any specifics on voltage ratings,
timelines, etc. b/c I just don't know anything else.
When I know, I'll let the list know on behalf of him.
TTYL,
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi Bob,
> What might Damon have for a GE 96 vdc 250 amp 27 hp
> shunt wound motor
> with the shunt field limited to 36 volts and 20 amps
> ?
> As a matter of fact, the technician at GE said the
> shunt windings would
> fry immediately if they ever saw 20 amps.
> Menlo Park III,
> Bill
>
> On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:56:07 -0800 (PST) Bob Bath
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Ok, here's the deal. Damon has a colleague who
> > purchased used Corbin controllers. He or Damon
> are
> > waranteeing the product, and they are at a good
> price.
> > He has about 5 left or so. I know, b/c I
> purchased
> > one with throttle and remote indicators earlier
> today.
> > It's going to be a bit more of a wait on the
> DCDCs.
> > Contact me off list, and I will put you in touch.
> >
> > Damon's "next big thing" will be a shunt
> controller to
> > obtain regen. From what I could glean, there will
> be
> > two models, similar to the current DCP
> controllers.
> > Since his controllers are programmable, he intends
> to
> > mate them with ADC _shunt_ wound motors, as well
> as
> > DH-somethingorother-- the founders of ADC. And
> yes, I
> > have permission to disclose it. (;-p
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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> > http://taxes.yahoo.com/
> >
> >
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From: Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Liability (was Re: Gliders (part 3)
> Peter VanDerWal wrote:
> >
> > The last bike I bought came with a large manual that had a BIG yellow
> > triangle on every other page with an exclamation mark and then a
> > sentence under it that said something like "Caution, this bike is only
> > designed for one person at a time", "Caution, do not try to grab the
> > wheels when they are moving", etc.
>
> Who in their right mind would ever do that? Do we have to
> implement IQ test one has to pass as a condition for sale?
>
> Victor
>
Maybe read an' heed the bumper sticker I saw on a car on the Turnpike; "
Stupid People Shouldn't Breed" Sorry! Couldn't resist on this silly thread.
Bob
>
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Hello All
Well... yes. This is a blatant ad for a scooter that is for sale.
I just posted this on Ebay a few minutes ago.
A little history...
The day before Woodburn 2002 I brought this scooter over to the Wayland
Juice Bar for entertainment purposes and free rides.
After a hot charge with a variac, a few people were invited to ride it.
Bill Dube' was first aboard and it did manage to throw him on the ground
when the little Cursit came out of current limit. (Sorry Bill, I couldn't
help but exploit this fact in the ad :-)
Next up was Plasma Boy (John Wayland) and with a little careful practice,
(and after seeing Bill get thrown) John was able to get a few good wheelies
out of it.
I tried to get Don Crabtree aboard but he would not go for it.
Many people tried the scooter that day and were quite impressed, it is not
unusual for me to be crossing an intersection and not realize that the front
wheel is in the air, (luckily this has not put me on the ground yet :-)
Since then, the controller has been mounted in a much more cosmetically
appealing location and things have been buttoned up better.
(see pics on Ebay)
It has a couple of scuffs and scrapes, but is pretty sound overall
considering it is being operated way past it's designed parameters.
My friend Mark who publishes Electric Scooter Magazine is selling this
scooter to make room for more hotrod projects, but I wrote the text and took
the pics.
Anyway... bid if you want on this quick and dangerous scooter :-)
Text from ad:
This is a Badsey HotScoot, Made in U.S.A. With many high performance
modifications. This scooter has thrown Bill Dube', the owner/builder of the
world's quickest drag racing electric motorcycle and has given him road rash
:-) See: http://www.killacycle.com
Modified as a magazine project, this scooter will get to about 32 mph very
quickly (if you can keep the front wheel on the ground)
An unmodified Badsey HotScoot retails for approx. $1000.00
Modifications: With retail prices for components specified-
Curtis Instruments 275A motor controller ($175.00)
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=&product_id=1597
_stock controller delivered approx. 50A_
Soneil 24V 3A Constant Current Battery Charger ($108.73)
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=&product_id=2155
(2) Hawker Genesis 12V 13Ah High Discharge Rate AGM Batteries ($80.00 ea.
retail)
Front tire changed to motorcycle type (improved handling) ($40.00)
All high-current wiring upgraded from 10 ga. to 6 ga. (about the size in
your car for starting purposes), about $15.00 for cable and connectors. (see
pictures)
This 70 lb. scooter makes about 6 peak horsepower.
Scooter is sold with just broken in 12V 13Ah Hawker Genesis batteries with a
couple dozen cycles on them, they are providing peak output.
If you are looking for a ridiculously quick scooter that will throw the
uninitiated on the ground in a hot second, this is the scoot for you.
Disclaimer: Due to the inherent danger of this vehicle, buyer will be
required to sign a release absolving the seller and/or manufacturer of any
liability resulting from injury of damages relating to the operation of said
vehicle.
We need to move this scooter out to make room for more projects. The reserve
price is pretty darned low considering the extensive modifications.
We are offering this scooter at a very low reserve, ($500.00)
This reserve price would barely cover the retail price of the added
components.
Vehicle Condition:
Scooter is in good condition. It has been operated well beyond it's design
parameters. It is up to the buyer to determine what is safe and what is not.
There are a few scuffs on the fiberglass body work and one ding on the front
(see pics). There is no warranty expressed or implied. A rider could easily
damage themselves or the scooter without extreme caution being observed.
Buyer is required to sign a release of liability.
Payment and Shipping:
You will have to email me directly and not use checkout.
Scooter can be shipped by UPS, I prefer this to other methods.
I prefer to ship to the US only, I may consider shipping internationally
under the right conditions.
All shipping costs are the responsability of the buyer, this means buyer
will pay all shipping costs in addition to the auction price of the scooter.
I am not looking to profit from the shipping.
I accept Paypal, checks, and money orders. If paid by Paypal, scooter will
ship immediately. Otherwise, scooter will ship when check clears.
Again, please contact me directly for specifics.
Thanks for bidding and good luck!
Roy LeMeur Seattle WA
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Dang it! I forgot to put the URL in there, sorry!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3118601776
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Sam check out these kit cars , Paul is just getting into EV's also so he'd
be very intrested in haveing one of his kit car's used as an EV ..
http://paulsexotics.com/
Steve Clunn
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Sam
From: "Sam Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> This way you can get a sporty rolling-chassis for just under $10k that
> would be ready for conversion. As for new, what can we do? Until
> established I can't see going off and pulling a Tango or a Sparrow,
> because the R&D cost is so phenomenal. Comments? Recommendations?
>
> -Sam Harper
>
>
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From: Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:56 PM
Subject: DCP controllers, update
> Ok, here's the deal. Damon has a colleague who
> purchased used Corbin controllers. He or Damon are
> waranteeing the product, and they are at a good price.
> He has about 5 left or so. I know, b/c I purchased
> one with throttle and remote indicators earlier today.
> It's going to be a bit more of a wait on the DCDCs.
> Contact me off list, and I will put you in touch.
>
> Damon's "next big thing" will be a shunt controller to
> obtain regen. From what I could glean, there will be
> two models, similar to the current DCP controllers.
> Since his controllers are programmable, he intends to
> mate them with ADC _shunt_ wound motors, as well as
> DH-somethingorother-- the founders of ADC. And yes, I
> have permission to disclose it. (;-p
>
Hi EVerybody;
Yup, I got that above, from the Good Guyz at DCP, too. I recommended
them to hook up with Warfield electric, to build the motor for the Sep Ex
controller. Warfield has alluded to that they would like to do a Sep Ex, so
I'm trying my matchmaking skills to pull two Co.s together for this could be
cool thing.
I was on the horn to DCP the other day, as my Rapture(Raptur) had died a
stumbling death on the way home from the train, on the toughest part of the
run home, a 200 plus streatch, which is most of my 450 foot climb inland to
Killingworth, on Green Hill Rd, for those familiar to CT geography. Winding,
ALL uphill, two laner, with no centerline, makes it more sporting on foggy
nites. The town, in it's quest for a rural character, believes that it is
more quaint to NOT have lines on the road, like deviding it into easy sides
to aim by. I suppose they could build on this folksy illusion ,by banning
cars and using horse and wagons to commute in. I DID happen on a loose horse
STANDING in the road, about 3 am, Pulled up to it, silently, electrically,
and it gave mre a look of distain. Quietly drove around it, and called the
Cops to tell them that it was loose. They probably woulda liked to give me a
breathalizer test if they were around.
Anyhow, back to the story. Car sputtered to a stop, like a loose
connection. No amount of diddling with the pots on the controller would make
it come to life. Shit! Gunna haft to hot wire it, steal a connecter cable
and hook things up so I can cram in the power [EMAIL PROTECTED] volts, car in neutral,
of course! Hop in and do the clutch and gear thing to go the last 4 miles
home. Arrive, jump out, pop hood, yank out fuze to turn things off. Go to
bed, deal with it in the mourning!
Got out the good old hairdryer and tried to dry things out. The last few
daze had been rainy and DAMP, nothing outside was dry, Hmmm Sorta like my
last rapture failure! A pattern here? Yup! No amount of hairdrying would
reserect it. Quick call to DCP, Yes! I can use a DCP T rex, in place of the
smaller Raptur. Just happened to have the one I got from Steve Marks, on the
List, sitting in my bedroom, resplendent in it's purple box, a sort of
"Object Du Art" ya might say. OK I think EV coimponents are sorta cool and
pretty to look at. I have a rewound Baker motor in my office room in the
cellar, it , too, is an elegent thing with its shiny communtater and
symetrical coil connections. I really enjoyed seeing so many DC motors being
born, in last summer's visit to Warfield electric. Fun to walk through the
building process, as shown to me by Chris Warfield, Jerry Warfield's , son,
in my surprise visit to their plant. These guyz are SERIOUS abouyt motors,
never saw such a viriety in person, like that anywhere else.
OK pretty box and all that aside now. a bit of mounting reconfiguration,
T rex is a tad bigger, had it hooked up yesterday. It WORKS! Dialed up
something close enough to make it run, and off to work today. Did my regular
turnpike launch, 500 amps! Like a turbo charger, OK gotta put in a heavier
clutch. I could smell it after that launch. As J Wayland sez" It's the AMPS,
guyz" The car surged ahead, I could almost hear my tortured cells scream'
What the hells going on??" But the car balanced out about 75@ 200 amps when
it made road speed, 75 down hill 60 up, fast enough to pass alota gas rigs!
So I musta had my Raptur turnred down a tad, motor not seeing all the
voltage. But, live an learn! The car seemed feather lite as I surged along,
having power in reserve, cruising at [EMAIL PROTECTED] amps or so. It is really hard
to give good amp assessments as in CT you are always going up or down hill.
EVerywhere! Coming home tonite on the 2 laner, about 100 amps@ 45-50 was
nice, too. It's about 20 degrees, so I'm not getting allthe kw thayt I paid
for, but I came up the driveway@ 115 volts, 100 amps or so. Doesn't
EVerybody in this EV thing live on an uphill driveway? But, botton line: Car
works, and is very nice to run by gas stations with their 2 bux a gal gas. I
hear you folks in Canada and UK thinking that we in USA have it easy, we do,
but are about to go to war to defend this God givin right in the eyes of our
Administration.I don't really want to get into all that but I dont think the
@#$% oil is worth one Anerican, or Iraqi life.We, USA should be leading the
World in energy conservation, not consumption.Instead of trying to be the
World's policeman. This isn't a political diss cussion List, but a 'lectric
car thing. Will try to stay there as I ramble along.
But I wanna give encouragment to you newbees on here. I know I'm
preaching to the Choir to the oldbees here, Do it, get that EV outta the
planning stage and on the road. Plunge in, were here, to help and encourage
it can be done. I'm in the outer fringes of practical commuting 56 mile RT,
but for you guyz with 5-10-15 miles, you have it made with existing
technology. Don't hold yur breath for those new Unobtainium batteries. Youre
gunna be Lead around awile, doing a good learning curve. Maybe well have
something better. I'd be happy with double the range, and a hellova lighter
battery, than Lead Acids But elegent lite conversions are here an ' now, for
short in work. Saving yur gas rig for those longer trips that it likes to
do, anyhow.
Having the luxury of TWO controllers, I can have one in the shop. No
smoke, just a white dust on everything when I opened it up. Smoked the
charging capaciter, or resistor, buttoned it up, ups to OR to get fixed.
Stay tuned.
Seeya
Bob
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hay Bob
I have smoked a few crutises in the old days and have done the same thing ,
a quick re wiring and then heading home on 36 volts truning the key on and
off. Had to tow my old gas brunner home with the lawn mower one time BEV
(before ev) . Wouldn't it be nice If we could get a controller at the local
auto parts store.?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: DCP controllers, update,stuff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:56 PM
> Subject: DCP controllers, update
>
>
> > Ok, here's the deal. Damon has a colleague who
> > purchased used Corbin controllers. He or Damon are
> > waranteeing the product, and they are at a good price.
> > He has about 5 left or so. I know, b/c I purchased
> > one with throttle and remote indicators earlier today.
> > It's going to be a bit more of a wait on the DCDCs.
> > Contact me off list, and I will put you in touch.
> >
> > Damon's "next big thing" will be a shunt controller to
> > obtain regen. From what I could glean, there will be
> > two models, similar to the current DCP controllers.
> > Since his controllers are programmable, he intends to
> > mate them with ADC _shunt_ wound motors, as well as
> > DH-somethingorother-- the founders of ADC. And yes, I
> > have permission to disclose it. (;-p
> >
> Hi EVerybody;
>
> Yup, I got that above, from the Good Guyz at DCP, too. I recommended
> them to hook up with Warfield electric, to build the motor for the Sep Ex
> controller. Warfield has alluded to that they would like to do a Sep Ex,
so
> I'm trying my matchmaking skills to pull two Co.s together for this could
be
> cool thing.
>
> I was on the horn to DCP the other day, as my Rapture(Raptur) had died
a
> stumbling death on the way home from the train, on the toughest part of
the
> run home, a 200 plus streatch, which is most of my 450 foot climb inland
to
> Killingworth, on Green Hill Rd, for those familiar to CT geography.
Winding,
> ALL uphill, two laner, with no centerline, makes it more sporting on foggy
> nites. The town, in it's quest for a rural character, believes that it is
> more quaint to NOT have lines on the road, like deviding it into easy
sides
> to aim by. I suppose they could build on this folksy illusion ,by banning
> cars and using horse and wagons to commute in. I DID happen on a loose
horse
> STANDING in the road, about 3 am, Pulled up to it, silently, electrically,
> and it gave mre a look of distain. Quietly drove around it, and called the
> Cops to tell them that it was loose. They probably woulda liked to give me
a
> breathalizer test if they were around.
>
> Anyhow, back to the story. Car sputtered to a stop, like a loose
> connection. No amount of diddling with the pots on the controller would
make
> it come to life. Shit! Gunna haft to hot wire it, steal a connecter cable
> and hook things up so I can cram in the power [EMAIL PROTECTED] volts, car in
neutral,
> of course! Hop in and do the clutch and gear thing to go the last 4 miles
> home. Arrive, jump out, pop hood, yank out fuze to turn things off. Go to
> bed, deal with it in the mourning!
>
> Got out the good old hairdryer and tried to dry things out. The last
few
> daze had been rainy and DAMP, nothing outside was dry, Hmmm Sorta like my
> last rapture failure! A pattern here? Yup! No amount of hairdrying would
> reserect it. Quick call to DCP, Yes! I can use a DCP T rex, in place of
the
> smaller Raptur. Just happened to have the one I got from Steve Marks, on
the
> List, sitting in my bedroom, resplendent in it's purple box, a sort of
> "Object Du Art" ya might say. OK I think EV coimponents are sorta cool and
> pretty to look at. I have a rewound Baker motor in my office room in the
> cellar, it , too, is an elegent thing with its shiny communtater and
> symetrical coil connections. I really enjoyed seeing so many DC motors
being
> born, in last summer's visit to Warfield electric. Fun to walk through the
> building process, as shown to me by Chris Warfield, Jerry Warfield's ,
son,
> in my surprise visit to their plant. These guyz are SERIOUS abouyt motors,
> never saw such a viriety in person, like that anywhere else.
>
> OK pretty box and all that aside now. a bit of mounting
reconfiguration,
> T rex is a tad bigger, had it hooked up yesterday. It WORKS! Dialed up
> something close enough to make it run, and off to work today. Did my
regular
> turnpike launch, 500 amps! Like a turbo charger, OK gotta put in a heavier
> clutch. I could smell it after that launch. As J Wayland sez" It's the
AMPS,
> guyz" The car surged ahead, I could almost hear my tortured cells scream'
> What the hells going on??" But the car balanced out about 75@ 200 amps
when
> it made road speed, 75 down hill 60 up, fast enough to pass alota gas
rigs!
> So I musta had my Raptur turnred down a tad, motor not seeing all the
> voltage. But, live an learn! The car seemed feather lite as I surged
along,
> having power in reserve, cruising at [EMAIL PROTECTED] amps or so. It is really
hard
> to give good amp assessments as in CT you are always going up or down
hill.
> EVerywhere! Coming home tonite on the 2 laner, about 100 amps@ 45-50 was
> nice, too. It's about 20 degrees, so I'm not getting allthe kw thayt I
paid
> for, but I came up the driveway@ 115 volts, 100 amps or so. Doesn't
> EVerybody in this EV thing live on an uphill driveway? But, botton line:
Car
> works, and is very nice to run by gas stations with their 2 bux a gal gas.
I
> hear you folks in Canada and UK thinking that we in USA have it easy, we
do,
> but are about to go to war to defend this God givin right in the eyes of
our
> Administration.I don't really want to get into all that but I dont think
the
> @#$% oil is worth one Anerican, or Iraqi life.We, USA should be leading
the
> World in energy conservation, not consumption.Instead of trying to be the
> World's policeman. This isn't a political diss cussion List, but a
'lectric
> car thing. Will try to stay there as I ramble along.
>
> But I wanna give encouragment to you newbees on here. I know I'm
> preaching to the Choir to the oldbees here, Do it, get that EV outta the
> planning stage and on the road. Plunge in, were here, to help and
encourage
> it can be done. I'm in the outer fringes of practical commuting 56 mile
RT,
> but for you guyz with 5-10-15 miles, you have it made with existing
> technology. Don't hold yur breath for those new Unobtainium batteries.
Youre
> gunna be Lead around awile, doing a good learning curve. Maybe well have
> something better. I'd be happy with double the range, and a hellova
lighter
> battery, than Lead Acids But elegent lite conversions are here an ' now,
for
> short in work. Saving yur gas rig for those longer trips that it likes to
> do, anyhow.
>
> Having the luxury of TWO controllers, I can have one in the shop. No
> smoke, just a white dust on everything when I opened it up. Smoked the
> charging capaciter, or resistor, buttoned it up, ups to OR to get fixed.
> Stay tuned.
>
> Seeya
>
> Bob
> > __________________________________________________
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> > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
> > http://taxes.yahoo.com/
> >
>
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So how 'bout a link? I can't seem to find it!
Thanks,
Matt
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 12:15 AM, Roy LeMeur wrote:
Hello All
Well... yes. This is a blatant ad for a scooter that is for sale.
I just posted this on Ebay a few minutes ago.
A little history...
The day before Woodburn 2002 I brought this scooter over to the
Wayland Juice Bar for entertainment purposes and free rides.
After a hot charge with a variac, a few people were invited to ride it.
Bill Dube' was first aboard and it did manage to throw him on the
ground when the little Cursit came out of current limit. (Sorry Bill,
I couldn't help but exploit this fact in the ad :-)
Next up was Plasma Boy (John Wayland) and with a little careful
practice, (and after seeing Bill get thrown) John was able to get a
few good wheelies out of it.
I tried to get Don Crabtree aboard but he would not go for it.
Many people tried the scooter that day and were quite impressed, it is
not unusual for me to be crossing an intersection and not realize that
the front wheel is in the air, (luckily this has not put me on the
ground yet :-)
Since then, the controller has been mounted in a much more
cosmetically appealing location and things have been buttoned up
better.
(see pics on Ebay)
It has a couple of scuffs and scrapes, but is pretty sound overall
considering it is being operated way past it's designed parameters.
My friend Mark who publishes Electric Scooter Magazine is selling this
scooter to make room for more hotrod projects, but I wrote the text
and took the pics.
Anyway... bid if you want on this quick and dangerous scooter :-)
Text from ad:
This is a Badsey HotScoot, Made in U.S.A. With many high performance
modifications. This scooter has thrown Bill Dube', the owner/builder
of the world's quickest drag racing electric motorcycle and has given
him road rash :-) See: http://www.killacycle.com
Modified as a magazine project, this scooter will get to about 32 mph
very quickly (if you can keep the front wheel on the ground)
An unmodified Badsey HotScoot retails for approx. $1000.00
Modifications: With retail prices for components specified-
Curtis Instruments 275A motor controller ($175.00)
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=&product_id=1597
_stock controller delivered approx. 50A_
Soneil 24V 3A Constant Current Battery Charger ($108.73)
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=&product_id=2155
(2) Hawker Genesis 12V 13Ah High Discharge Rate AGM Batteries ($80.00
ea. retail)
Front tire changed to motorcycle type (improved handling) ($40.00)
All high-current wiring upgraded from 10 ga. to 6 ga. (about the size
in your car for starting purposes), about $15.00 for cable and
connectors. (see pictures)
This 70 lb. scooter makes about 6 peak horsepower.
Scooter is sold with just broken in 12V 13Ah Hawker Genesis batteries
with a couple dozen cycles on them, they are providing peak output.
If you are looking for a ridiculously quick scooter that will throw
the uninitiated on the ground in a hot second, this is the scoot for
you.
Disclaimer: Due to the inherent danger of this vehicle, buyer will be
required to sign a release absolving the seller and/or manufacturer of
any liability resulting from injury of damages relating to the
operation of said vehicle.
We need to move this scooter out to make room for more projects. The
reserve price is pretty darned low considering the extensive
modifications.
We are offering this scooter at a very low reserve, ($500.00)
This reserve price would barely cover the retail price of the added
components.
Vehicle Condition:
Scooter is in good condition. It has been operated well beyond it's
design parameters. It is up to the buyer to determine what is safe and
what is not. There are a few scuffs on the fiberglass body work and
one ding on the front (see pics). There is no warranty expressed or
implied. A rider could easily damage themselves or the scooter without
extreme caution being observed. Buyer is required to sign a release of
liability.
Payment and Shipping:
You will have to email me directly and not use checkout.
Scooter can be shipped by UPS, I prefer this to other methods.
I prefer to ship to the US only, I may consider shipping
internationally under the right conditions.
All shipping costs are the responsability of the buyer, this means
buyer will pay all shipping costs in addition to the auction price of
the scooter. I am not looking to profit from the shipping.
I accept Paypal, checks, and money orders. If paid by Paypal, scooter
will ship immediately. Otherwise, scooter will ship when check clears.
Again, please contact me directly for specifics.
Thanks for bidding and good luck!
Roy LeMeur Seattle WA
My Electric Vehicle Pages:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
Informational Electric Vehicle Links:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html
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