EV Digest 2636
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) NEDRA Power of DC June 29, 2003
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Surplus Center
by Eric Penne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) hev-charging
by "veena" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: battery charging
by "veena" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: LiIons order time
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: (US) EV bumper sticker proposal
by "Jon \"Sheer\" Pullen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Chico EAA meeting Sat. 3-8-03
by "Chuck Alldrin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) In Other News : Ford Takes a Loss on Hybrid Escape
by Sam Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Found an EV to buy! Hold me back, somebody...
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: In Other News : Ford Takes a Loss on Hybrid Escape
by Charlie Richmond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: In Other News : Ford Takes a Loss on Hybrid Escape
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: LiIons order time
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: In Other News : Ford Takes a Loss on Hybrid Escape
by Sam Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Found an EV to buy! Hold me back, somebody...
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: battery charging
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: WE'RE NOT GONNA ROCK DOWN TO ELECTRIC AVENUE
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: hev-charging
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: free piston engines
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: In Other News : Ford Takes a Loss on Hybrid Escape
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Power of DC Graphics
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Found an EV to buy! Hold me back, somebody...
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: In Other News : Ford Takes a Loss on Hybrid Escape
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: LiIons order time
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: The Ultimate Resume (the forklift on steroids), pt. 2
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Information
by sethm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) RE: In Other News : Ford Takes a Loss on Hybrid Escape
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi everyone,
The NEDRA Power of DC Drag Race will be held Sunday June 29, 2003 at the
Mason Dixon Dragway in Hagerstown, Maryland. This will be our third event.
This year's theme is "Watt Wheels."
Racing begins at 1:00 pm and ends at about 5:00 pm. Followed by the awards
and caravan into town for our traditional dinner.
Visit our new website at http://www.powerofdc.com
Our website features a cool Flash animation intro (which non-Flash users can
skip) plus we have pictures and MOV movies from our previous races,
t-shirts, registration and sponsorship information.
This is a great opportunity for drag racers East of the Mississippi to race
their EVs. West Coast racers are also more then welcome to attend.
If you'd like to race or need more info just drop me a line at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or call at 301-490-0657.
Hope to see ya there,
Chip Gribben
Power of DC Race Coordinator
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.powerofdc.com
EVA/DC Webmaster
http://www.evadc.org
144-volt Ford Electric Escort
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If you are little queasy about purchasing something from them without
seeing the final product, I may be able to stop down and get them to
show it to me.
Eric
PS I was going to say this the other day when I got my new surplus
center mag but Andre beat me to it. :)
--- Andre Blanchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Everyone probably already knows but I just found out, Burden's
> Surplus
> Center in Nebraska now has a web page.
> http://www.surpluscenter.com/
>
>
> Andre' B. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> If something cannot be defined, it does not exist.
> Isaac Newton
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hi all
thanks to all those replied to my mails regarding battery charging.
in the car that we are making, we are having a charger that gets a 220V ac
supply and charges the 48V 100Ah battery pack. during the time we run the
engine, the generator's electric output(dc) is going to be shared by the
batteries for charging and by the traxion motor for cruising. can we just
make use of the natural flow of potential of electrons to charge the
batteries that is at a lower potential and the motor that is at a much lower
potential takes up the rest of the power. if this is ok, do i need a charge
regulator in between my battery and generator?
if we use the natural flow of potential, will the battery take just what it
wants and send the rest of the power to the motor?
thank you
veena
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hi all
I stay in India and that too at chennai. the temperature will definitely be
around 37 to 40 deg C.
with this kind of a hot place, will it be really necessary for me to go in
for a fan for the batteries or atleast for experiment purpose can i just
stop with ducts?
thank you
veena
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At 12:02 AM 3/6/2003 -0800, 1sclunn wrote:
I get a lot of people asking about making an EV go over 100 miles (even
200)
per charge. They don't seem to care what the cost . So after trying to
convince them that an EV is a second car for the 90% of under 50mile
driving
that one dose I still get " I heard ya ya ya " . I would like to be able
to
say yes for $xxx you can do it and it looks like LiIon would do it .
here are some things I guess I missed
on the 100 ah bat what load (in amps) can you put on them. for under 1
min
and over 30 min?
the 100ah is that over 20 hours ( would that be written c20 or 20c) . so
at
a c1 (one hour discharge) what would be the ah.
Read the spec sheets at: http://www.thunder-sky.com/Cpjs(En).htm
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I hate to pick nits..
But, while I like the idea, it's not true for a number of reasons.
First of all, America buys a sizable chunk of the power for it's grid from
Canada.
Second of all, a small but measurable percentage of the power on the grid
comes from foreign fuels - imported natural gas and oil. I think it's
hovering somewhere around 10%, but I'm sure one of the number gurus can
correct me on that.
Of course, if we were all running EVs, we _could_ do everything on our
domestic oil supply, what with the efficiency boost that the EV process
gives and the idleless nature of EVs. (I wonder what percentage of american
oil consumption goes into idling in traffic?)
S.
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From: "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: (US) EV bumper sticker proposal
> I like the idea.
>
> You could make it more generic by claiming:
>
> 100% domestic electrons.
> No imported energy.
>
> Joe Smalley
> Rural Kitsap County WA
> Fiesta 48 volts
> NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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> From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:39 PM
> Subject: Re: (US) EV bumper sticker proposal
>
>
> > Grannes, Dean wrote:
> > > I propose to make up a bumper sticker with the message "Powered by
100%
> > > American Electrons". I came up with an initial design last night. It
> > > can be viewed at:
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/ironstephanie/americanelectrons.gif
> >
> > I love it, Dean. Put me down for a couple!
> > --
> > Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
> > 814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
> > Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
> > leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
> >
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You are invited to attend the Chico chapter of the Electric Auto Association
or "EAA".
Learn more about:
� Electric automobiles
� How to convert a car to electric
� Hybrid automobiles
� Fuel cell powered automobiles
� Compressed natural gas automobiles
This month�s topic will be demonstrations of �Sterling Cycle� engines used
in automobiles and as a power source for other equipment.
Date: Saturday, March 8th from 11am to 1pm. The meeting is FREE, and all are
welcome.
Join us at the Videomaker/York Publishing Office, located at:
1350 East 9th St. (two blocks west of Hwy 99E)
Chico, CA
We need you at the meeting to help our new EAA chapter in Chico. If you are
not now affiliated with a local chapter, we would welcome you to transfer to
our chapter.
EV's of all types (i.e.: autos, scooters, skateboards) and Hybrids are
welcome.
For more information call:
Chuck Alldrin
530-899-1835
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Did anyone else see this?:
http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/06/news/companies/ford_hybrid.reut/
index.htm
When will they learn?
-Sam Harper
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Garry Stanley wrote:
> We clearly don't work at the same rate here, I would expect to go
> from driving petrol van to driving electric van in no more than
> 2 days, the 2 weeks was so give me plenty of time to fabricate
> sturdy battery mounts and shielding the cables etc as I fully
> expect the finishing touched to take longer than the real work
> on this.
You're a better man that I am, Garry! I've done half a dozen EV
conversions, and all of them have taken hundreds of hours.
It's often the details that drive you crazy. Not having a special tool
you need to get the old ICE stuff out. Trying to untangle the wiring
that can be removed from the wiring that must stay, so the speedometer,
seat belts, air bags, etc. still work. Fabricating the motor adapter
plate and coupler, or ordering them and having to wait for delivery.
Having to custom design the battery boxes to fit the available space.
Making the dozens of high current cables to connect everything up.
> the subject here was actually buying a 20 year old car with an
> electric conversion that was done 10 or 15 years ago
The motor and controller can't be that old; they can't even be 5 years
old. The Curtis 1221C controller hasn't been on the market that long.
The Advanced DC 9" motor has only been available for at most 8 years.
> brought second hand, surely that is the same as buying a 15 year old
> second hand motor and controller, but at least if you buy the motor
> and controller second hand you can choose to put them into a newer car.
A nice thing about EV parts is that most of them were designed for
industrial use, where they had to work 8 hours a day for 10-20 years.
Thus an old motor and controller isn't necessarily any worse than a new
one. Both will easily outlive your car.
But since the market for used parts is weak, a seller has to sell it
cheap or he won't sell it at all. Thus, you can get some great bargains
with used parts.
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Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Sam Harper wrote:
> http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/06/news/companies/ford_hybrid.reut/
> index.htm
Surely this report is wrong:
The hybrid Escape, the first such vehicle to hit the market from a Detroit
automaker, will boast a combined fuel economy of 35 to 40 miles per gallon in
city driving and 30 mpg in highway driving.
Charlie
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From: Sam Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:18 AM
Subject: In Other News : Ford Takes a Loss on Hybrid Escape
> Did anyone else see this?:
> http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/06/news/companies/ford_hybrid.reut/
> index.htm
> When will they learn?
>
Hi All;
WellI think they have the right mindframe, not gunna make SUV like
profits on the first ones As Toyota and Honda, aren't ether, but they are
doing a good thing for conservation. Sorta like if GM DID reintroduce the
EV-1 and bragged that it is a state of the art car. No kidding here it IS,
they could get some goodwill feelings toward it. Attaboy points in the
cutting oil consumption thing that SOMEBODY in power should be thinking
Couldn't they, GM , get their hotshot lawyers to work up a tax incentive
thing , by building EV-1's writeoff on their other silly stuff, Escalades,
Hummers, that they sell too many off. Like so every EV-1 that rolls out on
the hiway was a profit, even if they gave them away?Of whivch they NEVER
would, but sell them for about what they were thinking of years ago.Betya
all the lessors would buy their EV-1's IF GM would sell them. Show of hands?
Anybody unhappy with their EV-1??Wouldn't ya buy it if yu could, EV-1 pilots
out there? Nostalgia dept; I have that beautiful little booklet , by GM,
sez" EV-1 Gen 2 and a cool pix of a ev-1, sorta looks like its on a cloud,
open it and say to yurself " I WANT one! Last page is all the dealers that
HAVE it, or had it.Hmmm? Wonder what it'll be worth on E bay in a few yearz?
That pretty Forest Green EV-1 that I flew in Montreal a few years ago at
EVS-17? I think it was. I was ready to tie it to my Diseasel Jetta and tow
it home to CT! Betya they towbar nice?! Told the GM guy that I would BUY it
on the spot. He laffed and sed" No way!" I woulda been the only guy in CT to
have one.
OK I'm on the sidelines, waiting for Victor and a few others, Listers, to
step up to the Li on plate, and show us leadon guyz the new way. So a car
could be about the same weight, gas or electric. How many Li ons would I
need to replace 1400lbs of T 145's and how much would they weigh. Still do
my 400 amp freeway launches? And still go 100 plus miles on a chatrge? I'm
staying tuned.
Sheer, Welcome back! Has yur Honda been eagerly awaiting your return? Duz
it still go 100 miles plus? You have been thrust into the role of Evercell
test pilot. You hava lot of money and time invested there. Hoping for some
wonderful news on the Evercell durability.
My two Watts worth
Bob
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"John G. Lussmyer" wrote:
> At 12:02 AM 3/6/2003 -0800, 1sclunn wrote:
> > I guess I missed on the 100 ah bat what load (in amps) can
> > you put on them. for under 1 min and over 30 min? the 100ah
> > is that over 20 hours ( would that be written c20 or 20c) .
> > so at a c1 (one hour discharge) what would be the ah.
>
> Read the spec sheets at: http://www.thunder-sky.com/Cpjs(En).htm
The spec sheets are a bit sparse on details. The max discharge current
is given as 3C (300 amps) but no indication of how long that current can
be maintained.
As for the Ahr rating, the instruction manual page says "please cut off
when measured to 2.85V" and "the best constant discharge current is 0.3
multiple for rated capacity", so the 100Ahr rating is at 33.3amps until
2.85volts? Not too useful for EV applications.
They have several graphs of performance up at
http://www.thunder-sky.com/qxt(en).htm although I don't understand
voltage vs Ahr plots; voltage verses time would make more sense to me.
The graph at http://www.thunder-sky.com/qxt/Curve-4.htm shows discharge
at different currents from 0.1C to 1.5C but no curves for 3C and seems
to imply that capacity might be half at such high currents?
Putting together a pack of 72 to 80 of the 200Ahr cells could make the
ultimate pickup truck with 150-200 mile range and cargo capacity intact.
Extremely tempting, but at $20K I need to wait for some pioneers to
gather real data.
_________
Jim Coate
1992 Chevy S-10
1970s Elec-Trak E20
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I had a 2002 Escape V6 in between my two Honda civics. They claimed 19
city, 24 hwy, and I never saw higher than 17. They really are claiming
35-40 hwy, 30 city. Its in their brochures.
-Sam
On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 11:59 AM, Charlie Richmond wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Sam Harper wrote:
http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/06/news/companies/ford_hybrid.reut/
index.htm
Surely this report is wrong:
The hybrid Escape, the first such vehicle to hit the market from a
Detroit
automaker, will boast a combined fuel economy of 35 to 40 miles per
gallon in
city driving and 30 mpg in highway driving.
Charlie
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Lee Hart wrote:
> The motor and controller can't be that old; they can't even be 5 years
> old. The Curtis 1221C controller hasn't been on the market that long.
> The Advanced DC 9" motor has only been available for at most 8 years.
Cool - my truck was built on the leading edge... the original owner
converted it in 1995 with an ADC 9". Somehow I had thought the ADC
motors had been around 'forever'.
_________
Jim Coate
1992 Chevy S-10
1970s Elec-Trak E20
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veena wrote:
> The temperature will definitely be around 37 to 40 deg C.
> Will it be really necessary for me to go in for a fan for the
> batteries or at least for experiment purpose can I just stop
> with ducts?
There is no easy answer, Veena. The hotter the batteries, the shorter
their life. If you use the batteries a lot, they may wear out in one
year, before the heat kills them. If you use them very little, the
batteries might have lasted 5 years, but died after 2 years because of
the heat.
40 deg.C (104 deg.F) is pretty hot. The batteries will warm up another
5-10 deg.C from being charged and discharged. This is essentially right
at the maximum temperature they can stand (how long would *you* last at
50 deg.C. :-)
So, I think you will need a fan. Without it, the batteries will get too
warm. But for experimentation, you can try it with no fan, and measure
the battery temperature to see how hot they get. You will have to do
whatever it takes to keep them below 50 deg.C.
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Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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On 5 Mar 2003 at 15:31, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> the policy change could sound
> the death knell for the electric-car market
IMO it is also the death knell of CARB. Now that the automakers know they
can get their way with this kind of legal threat, they won't stop here.
I don't know of any other country in the world where this could happen.
Unbelievable. But then there are a lot of things going on right now that I
thought wouldn't happen in my lifetime.
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veena wrote:
> During the time we run the engine, the generator's electric output(dc)
> is shared by the batteries for charging and by the traction motor for
> cruising. Can we just make use of the natural flow of potential of
> electrons to charge the batteries that is at a lower potential and
> the motor that is at a much lower potential takes up the rest of the
> power.
The generator will deliver some particular voltage. The batteries will
charge (or discharge) at a current determined by their state of charge
and that voltage. As a very simple example, if you have one 12v battery:
generator
voltage result
--------- ------
12v battery moves toward 12v (its voltage when dead)
- if it is 100% charged, it supplies a high current
- if it is 50% charged, it supplies a low current
- if it is dead, it supplies zero current
12.5 battery moves toward 12.5v (its voltage when half charged)
- if it is 100% charged, it supplies a low current
- if it is 50% charged, it supplies zero current
- if it is dead, it charges at a low current
13v battery moves toward 13v (its voltage when fully charged)
- if it is 100% charged, it supplies zero current
- if it is 50% charged, it charges at a low current
- if it is dead, it charges at a high current
13.5 battery moves toward 13.5v (its voltage on float charge)
- if it is 100% charged, it charges at a low current
- if it is 50% charged, it charges at a high current
- if it is dead, it charges at a very high current
> if this is ok, do I need a charge regulator in between my battery
> and generator?
Yes. You will need a regulator to decide what the generator voltage
should be to properly charge (or discharge) the battery.
The hardest part of a hybrid is to decide when to run the ICE, and how
to distribute the power between the traction motor and batteries.
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814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
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On 5 Mar 2003 at 18:35, Jon "Sheer" Pullen wrote:
> Can anyone identify this EV:
> http://www.sheer.us/ev/pics/DCP00981.JPG ?] There are a lot of them on the
> streets in japan.
Is that "Suzuki" on it? It's hard to tell; the photo's a bit blurry. It
looks like it has a nicely integrated removeable battery pack (?).
Interesting.
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If you scale the weight and effective frontal area of the Escape to
the Insight and Prius, the numbers are believeable. Of course, your
mileage may vary. :) It'll probably suffer at the highway speeds many
people drive, though, going from 55 or 65 for the test to 80 mph will
probably make a big hit for an SUV, but less of a hit for the aero
Insight.
Quoted anonymously:
> >> http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/06/news/companies/ford_hybrid.reut/
> >> index.htm
> >
> > Surely this report is wrong:
> >
> > The hybrid Escape, the first such vehicle to hit the market from
> a
> > Detroit
> > automaker, will boast a combined fuel economy of 35 to 40 miles
> per
> > gallon in
> > city driving and 30 mpg in highway driving.
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Who did the graphics? Most excellent! Which software tools were used?
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On 6 Mar 2003 at 22:36, garry wrote:
> Never mind ill let you know how long it takes when I get around to doing it,
> maybe next week.
>
That will be most interesting to read. Please share photos of the finished
product, too.
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On 6 Mar 2003 at 11:18, Sam Harper wrote:
> http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/06/news/companies/ford_hybrid.reut/
"We have to subsidize the price of the hybrid technology," said Prabhakar
Patil, chief program engineer for the hybrid Escape, set to go on sale late
this year. "We feel it's important to get in the market for this technology
and get feedback from customers."
Funny, they didn't seem to feel that way about EVs ...
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At 12:07 PM 3/6/2003 -0500, Jim Coate wrote:
Putting together a pack of 72 to 80 of the 200Ahr cells could make the
ultimate pickup truck with 150-200 mile range and cargo capacity intact.
Extremely tempting, but at $20K I need to wait for some pioneers to
gather real data.
Yup. Hopefully won't be long before you see that data. These cells are
probably better for high voltage systems (which Viktor is going to test
with). I'm going to try some in my Sparrow - which only needs about 65A to
cruise along at 60mph.
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John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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Hello to All,
>From pt. 1:
>We rolled back into Damon's driveway....Mark reached down to my car's lustrous blue
>with
>violet pearl fender, like someone might do to a massive dog with spiked hair on its
>shoulders that seems to want you to pet it, but might also bite your hand off, and
>carefully patted it and said to me, "Nice resume!"
Mark described what kind of work his company did, and commented that even though I
might
not yet know his business, he could see in me, the qualities he was looking for,
commenting that anyone who could think up, design, then create such an exciting car
with
top notch craftsmanship, had what he was looking for....I had heard similar comments
before.
After the fun meeting with Mark, I met back up with him the following week for a more
formal interview, only to find that the position available were a bit off in the
future,
and this certainly wasn't what I was hoping for. Still, the first encounter with him
proved that Blue Meanie still has that 'something' that delivers the same message it
had
more than six years before, when I met my last employer.
To make a very long story short, I had met my friend Christopher in person, after he
and I
had exchanged emails back and forth over our common bond through the EVDL (circa
1994-1995), then through private emails, then when he traveled to the west coast where
we
finally met each other, and he met Blue Meanie. That night, I put Christopher at the
wheel
of my electric Datsun 1200 sedan (it had not yet been named)....here's excerpts from
what
he wrote way back then to the EVDL:
>From the 12-20-97 post, The Smoking Streets of Portland:
> After completing some meetings in Portland last week, I gave John Wayland a call to
> >see
> if we could get together (ok so I did bribe him with dinner). Spent a great evening
> picking his brain and swapping stories. Since I had come up from Tampa, FL John
> >said I
> must get the nickel tour. We wandered around for a while and I got to see the >city
> lit
> up in all its glory, not to mention a side trip to Mecca (the tracks are fading but
> >still
> quite evident evenat night).
>
> Next it was back to John's to trade cars (I could tell John really was not happy in
> my
> rental). I have now become a believer in Optimas and the Kodiak >controller. WOW!
> (insert shocked look here) I know everyone has seen and read the stories of fast
> cars
> but I guess I was still a non-believer in the EVC >potential... As we were about to
> leave, John handed me the keys to the car. Did I say that I had never driven an EV
> before? (I had actually only seen two briefly before that day) After a quick (and I
> am
> not talking about time) tour of the community we went back to John's to trade cars
> >again
> (any name >decisions yet? Blue Zombie does not fit! The excellent 300W >stereo
> system is
> more likely to raise the dead). More traveling followed that fulfilled >my "need for
> speed". Again John handed over the keys and told me to see what it >could do. As I
> accelerated through the first intersection John hung his head in shame >and told me
> driving like that would quickly ruin his reputation. At the next light we
> >attracted a
> lot of attention. Was it the "Electric Powered" logo or the maybe the >window
> rattling
> music... anyway we had the attention of a car load of twenty >somethings in daddy's
> (or
> mommy's) Lexus sport >sedan. After squealing through >the light (and you thought I
> couldn't do it huh John) we really had their attention, >when they caught up that
> is! We
> then wandered back to John's (I became subdued >after receiving the passing interest
> of a
> police cruiser) for continued discussions and >a chance to closely examine John's
> cars....The only disappointing part of the evening >was having to drive to the hotel
> in my
> rental car.
It wasn't until two years later that Christopher finally talked me into coming to work
for
the Tampa based hi tech company he managed, to work as their West Coast Field Service
Engineer. I had expressed my doubts to him that I could even handle the job, as I had
zero
prior experience with wafer fab metrology tools, clean rooms, etc., but he piped up, "I
can train just about anyone to know the metrology stuff, but I can't teach them how to
be
like you...your car says it all." That was back then, and then the other day, it sort
of
happened again with Mark....fast forward now, to last Thursday....
I was doing what has lately, become a ritual, reading the morning newspaper's 'help
wanted' ads. It was Thursday, so instead of Sunday's 15-20 pages of ads, there were a
measly one and a half pages, and even though all I was finding were the leftover's from
the Sunday ads, I plowed on just in case something new might have snuck into the
paper...that's when I found it, nearly jumping off the page 'SERVICE TECHNICIANS, Crown
forklift dealer now hiring full time forklift technicians for field positions. Send
resume to.....'
Wow, working on electric vehicles! The address indicated that their location was just
4-5
short miles away from our house. I grabbed my printed-up resume and letters of
recommendation, kissed my wife good-bye as I told her I would return an employed man,
flew
out to my backyard EV shop where Blue Meanie was waiting for me, unplugged the twist
lock,
and was on my way, driving my resume! I figured, if all goes well, there's no way an
electric forklift dealer will not be interested in me, if I arrive in my 'forklift on
steroids'.
The drive to the location is nearly all downhill, as the land goes from high to low as
it
approaches the Columbia River, so the car was still pretty much fully charged when I
pulled up into a front parking spot at the big warehouse/offices. The weather had been
clear and sunny the past few days, so Blue Meanie was immaculately clean, polished, and
detailed...American mags sparkling clean (never been curbed), Goodyear Invicta GLR's
still
looking great and freshly Armoralled, all chrome buffed and reflective, and the paint's
violet pearl highlights absolutely popping in the bright sunlight.
I got out, took a deep breath, and marched right into the front office, walked up to a
counter, and was greeted by a friendly fellow...
Counter dude..."Hello, may I help you?"
Plasma Boy..."Good morning, I'm here about the technician job posted in today's paper
(tossing my paperwork on the counter), and...I drove my resume!"
Counter dude..."Uh, Ok...were we...uh, expecting you? Drove your resume?"
Plasma Boy..."Yup, I drove my electric car, it's out there."
Counter dude..."Wow, an electric car...do you want to plug in and charge up?"
I gotta tell ya, hearing this kind of response was music to my ears! How many places
can
you pull up to with an EV, out of the blue, and have them offer you charging, without
you
even asking for it? I knew then, I was at 'my kind of place'. I thanked him for the
charging hospitality, but said the car had hardly used any juice and so did not need a
charge. I did ask him, if the service manager who had placed the ad, was there, and if
I
could see him, and with that, the counter dude got up, left for a minute or so, and
returned with the manager.
Manager..."Hello, I'm Mike....so, you're here about the job?"
Plasma Boy..."Yes. I apologize for just showing up like this, but quite frankly, this
seems like the job I've always wanted, working on EVs, and besides...you need me! I
drove
my resume here to prove it to you."
Mike...(chuckling at my boldness) "I need you? Drove your resume?"
Plasma Boy..."Yup, I drove my electric car, it's out there...wanna see it?"
Mike seemed a bit taken back by his first encounter with me, but at the same time, he
did
not hesitate to go out front with me. As we went through the door, I was thinking to
myself...."I'm either totally blowing it right now, or, I've got his attention."
Mike...."Wow, what a clean Datsun 1200!" (first, I'm asked if I want to charge up,
then,
this guy actually knows what a 1200 is!)
At this point, I pop the hood to reveal the tidy motor bay with the bright yellow
Optimas
interconnected with gold plated hardware gleaming under Plexiglas, the deep blue Raptor
1200, and the green Manzanita Micro charger, all eye candy to this guy...
Mike...."Whoa.....hold on. (he runs back into the front office) Hey everyone, you gotta
see this!
About 10 guys suddenly appear wearing everything from green work uniforms with 'Rick'
above their work shirt breast pockets, to slick looking business cloths, as they all
crowd
around Blue Meanie. I of course, go into show & tell mode, but unlike most average
folks,
these guys want to know all the specifics about amps, volts, watts, chargers,
interconnects, etc. The rear motor driven battery pack was a big hit.
Mike is next to me, and instead of the more typical 'How far can it go on a charge
question', he asks, "What's the acceleration like?"...oh oh, wrong question to ask
Plasma Boy!
Plasma Boy..."Get in, I'll show you."
Before I know it, I've got the service manager buckled in the passenger seat, a crowd
of
motor-head types all around the car, and the pressure's on...what to do? I looked at
Mike,
as I'm silently backing Meanie out of its parking slot, and said that I had a dilemma
on
my hands. I told him that I had noticed all of their work trucks, and assumed that the
service techs must take these trucks to job sites, and I told him I had noticed that
they
all have signs on their rear roll-up door 'How's my driving?' ...so, I say to him, "Do
I
take it easy to demonstrate to you, that I can drive responsibly? ... or...do you
'really'
want to see what this car can do?"
Mike..."Don't worry about it."
With that, as the car is still rolling backwards in a clean arc, and in 2nd gear, I put
the hammer down! The asphalt in the entire parking lot was that smooth, shiny type that
makes for the best burnouts...and a bodacious burnout it was, with ear piercing tire
squealing accompanied by a smoke show that even impressed me...I mean, it was
Rudmanesque!
I can see the crowd behind us in my rear view mirror throw the smoky haze, and they are
slapping their thighs, hooting and yelling, with mouths hanging open...I think the guys
liked it. I banged 3rd and barked the tires smartly as we whipped up 70 mph between
warehouse buildings, going like a bat out of hell...then, I slam on the brakes, do a
partial bat turn, light 'em up again, then fly back to the parking area again. Mike was
blown away, with too many explicatives pouring from his mouth to capture.
Then Mike says, "Hey, that's the area manager coming out....can you give him a ride?"
Plasma Boy, seizing the moment, "Are you going to hire me?"
Mike...."We'll talk!"
And with that, as the crowd has grown to maybe 15 guys now, this other guy, evidently
Mike's boss, gets in, as one of the service techs yells out to him, "Don't let 'him'
near
our forklifts!"
Big boss guy..."This is electric? You made it? Did I see you smoking the tires?"
Plasma Boy..."Yeah, it's a forklift on steroids!"
As these words are streaming from my big fat Greek mouth, I see this little devil dude
on
my left shoulder and he has an evil grin on his face, but then I also see a little
angel
dude on my right shoulder, shaking his finger and saying, "Shame on you...bad Plasma
Boy!", and I am now wondering how to rectify my oh-so-juvenile bad first impression...
Plasma Boy..."I'm sorry 'bout that, I'll slow it down."
Big boss guy..."Are you kidding? Nail it again!"
And so I did, right after I flicked the angel off my shoulder. I returned to the dark
side,
and this time I purposefully threw the tail out inducing a bit of fish-tailing with the
launch (isn't RWD fun?). There was lots of tire smoke and the car painted more gooey
black
stripes all over their parking lot. Again, I
took the Meanie up to speeds far higher than was 'reasonable', basically
drove like a maniac (Rod Wilde would have been proud),
then turned around while in 3rd, flooring it and lighting up the tires in 3rd! We
returned
to the launch pad, and I repeated the routine with various guys taking their turns. It
was
probably 15 minutes of total mayhem...not exactly your standard job interview.
In the aftermath, the parking lots was literally covered with tires marks, and we had
attracted folks from neighboring businesses. It was weird, and yet, radically fun.
Mike looked at me, and asked "What's your schedule like?
Plasma Boy..."I'm open."
Mike..."Let's go to lunch!"
To sum it up, lunch was great, lots of questions were asked and answered, I was
offered a
job on the spot, and I accepted.
Back at the shop, I was given the tour, and all around me, were EVs! Everything has
batteries, controllers, and electric motors! They may not be road going EVs, but they
are
nonetheless, EVs! How's a 1300 ahr battery pack sound?
So there you have it, I'm now a forklift field service technician. I'm on a very steep
learning curve, and am presently teamed up with a hilarious guy, my immediate foreman,
who's making the new job a fun and yet demanding new adventure for me so far.
See Ya....John Wayland
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Subject: RE: In Other News : Ford Takes a Loss on Hybrid Escape
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:28:09 -0800
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Sam,
Make sure your comparing the Gas Escape vs. the Hybrid Escape. To my
knowledge, Detroit has not yet produced nor sold any Hybrids, so how can
they claim a lose?
-Ed T
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From: Sam Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 9:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: In Other News : Ford Takes a Loss on Hybrid Escape
I had a 2002 Escape V6 in between my two Honda civics. They claimed 19
city, 24 hwy, and I never saw higher than 17. They really are claiming
35-40 hwy, 30 city. Its in their brochures.
-Sam
On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 11:59 AM, Charlie Richmond wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Sam Harper wrote:
>
>> http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/06/news/companies/ford_hybrid.reut/
>> index.htm
>
> Surely this report is wrong:
>
> The hybrid Escape, the first such vehicle to hit the market from a
> Detroit
> automaker, will boast a combined fuel economy of 35 to 40 miles per
> gallon in
> city driving and 30 mpg in highway driving.
>
> Charlie
>
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