EV Digest 2637
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: The Ultimate Resume (the forklift on steroids), pt. 2
by "Humphrey, Timothy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: The Ultimate Resume (the forklift on steroids), pt. 2 YES!
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: WE'RE NOT GONNA ROCK DOWN TO ELECTRIC AVENUE
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) IRFZ44V MOSFETS Question for seller -- Item #2512272302
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Vogel Electric rebuilds & repairs EV motors
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: LiIons order time
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: The Ultimate Resume (the forklift on steroids), pt. 2
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) RE: LiIons order time
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
9) RE: Found an EV to buy! Hold me back, somebody...
by "Walker, Lesley R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: Found an EV to buy! Hold me back, somebody...
by "Walker, Lesley R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: (US) EV bumper sticker proposal
by "Walker, Lesley R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: battery charging
by "Richard Furniss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Suzuki Love
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) RE: In Other News : Ford Takes a Loss on Hybrid Escape
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
15) Re: Found an EV to buy! Hold me back, somebody...
by "garry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Suzuki van conversion.
by "garry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: (US) EV bumper sticker proposal
by "Walker, Lesley R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) RE: Suzuki van conversion.
by "Humphrey, Timothy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) EV Dash for Win CE
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) RE: Found an EV to buy! Hold me back, somebody...
by "Walker, Lesley R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: The Ultimate Resume (the forklift on steroids), pt. 2 YES!
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Suzuki van conversion.
by "garry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Power of DC Graphics
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) RE: Suzuki van conversion.
by "Humphrey, Timothy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Power of DC Graphics
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Suzuki van conversion.
by Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) RE: Suzuki van conversion.
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: EV Dash for Win CE
by "Jon \"Sheer\" Pullen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: EV Dash for Win CE
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Congrats John!!!!
I'm happy for ya, as I'm sure all of us are.
Stay Charged!
Hump
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From: John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi All;
Snip!
> Plasma Boy..."I'm sorry 'bout that, I'll slow it down."
>
> Big boss guy..."Are you kidding? Nail it again!"
. It was
> probably 15 minutes of total mayhem...not exactly your standard job
interview.
>
> In the aftermath, the parking lots was literally covered with tires marks,
and we had
> attracted folks from neighboring businesses. It was weird, and yet,
radically fun.
>
> Mike looked at me, and asked "What's your schedule like?
>
> Plasma Boy..."I'm open."
>
> Mike..."Let's go to lunch!"
>
> To sum it up, lunch was great, lots of questions were asked and answered,
I was offered a
> job on the spot, and I accepted.
> Back at the shop, I was given the tour, and all around me, were EVs!
Everything has
> batteries, controllers, and electric motors! They may not be road going
EVs, but they are
> nonetheless, EVs! How's a 1300 ahr battery pack sound?
>
> So there you have it, I'm now a forklift field service technician. I'm on
a very steep
> learning curve, and am presently teamed up with a hilarious guy, my
immediate foreman,
> who's making the new job a fun and yet demanding new adventure for me so
far.
>
> See Ya....John Wayland
>
Great! John! What a heart, and tire warming story! Not only are you
employed again but with a buncha fun EV, of sort, types. I can see the
forklifts, sons of Heavy Metal Garden Tractor, at the upcoming shows! Flame
paint jobs, kick ass stereos!
Anybody else used their EV as a resume/<g>!
Seeya
Bob
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From: David Roden (Akron OH USA) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: WE'RE NOT GONNA ROCK DOWN TO ELECTRIC AVENUE
> On 5 Mar 2003 at 15:31, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>
> > the policy change could sound
> > the death knell for the electric-car market
>
> IMO it is also the death knell of CARB. Now that the automakers know they
> can get their way with this kind of legal threat, they won't stop here.
>
> I don't know of any other country in the world where this could happen.
> Unbelievable. But then there are a lot of things going on right now that
I
> thought wouldn't happen in my lifetime.
>
> Right on ,Dave! Scary when ya think about it, I won't go into THAT on
the Diss cussion list, but I hear you!!
Old Yankee
Bob
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-[edited]
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 23:51:32 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We work on and rebuild advanced DC, GE and Prestolite motors and are
a motor repair source for the EV community.
We rebuild all types of DC motors.
We rebuild forklift motors for most of the local forklift companies
plus rebuild DC motors for electrical repair shops in town that
only work on AC.
We still specialize in armature winding for all types generators up
to 30 kW. The tech department of Onan [ http://onanrv.com ]
still recommends us to customers with armature problems.
...
Antique EVs
At the present time we are working on a 1912 four -- wheel drive
electric truck that was originally owned by Curtis Publishing House
in PA. used to deliver magazines to corner news stands. We have
completely rebuilt the four GE 85 volt electric motors.
The owner of the truck has restored the body and we are restoring
the electrical system so that he will be able to drive this vehicle
in parades and display it at antique truck shows. The electric
truck will be run by a Curtis controller which has been converted to
96 volts. A built-in trickle charging system will be mounted in an
obscure place as to not to take away from the authenticity of the
vehicle.
Several years ago we also restored for a customer a motor for an
early 1900 Baker Electric Roadster. We were pleased to see it come
in second in the antique division at the Concurs de Elegance at
Pebble Beach, CA. that year.
We are proud too of the antique electric truck motor we recently
restored and donated to the Smithsonian Institute to be displayed
in their new Transport Division.
These are just a few of the types of items we have encountered in
the past few years.
The two electric vehicles we own are Otis Electric Delivery Vans
built in 1975 by Otis Elevator in Stockton, CA.
There were only 13 of them built. We have the two and we heard
that there is one in the Los Angeles, CA. area. The first one we
purchased had only 47 miles on it. It now has about 93 miles.
We have restored it to like new condition. These vans have
everything on them needed to be street worthy: windshield wipers,
lights, turn signals, even gas heaters. The second van still needs
some work but it wouldn't take too much to make it street ready.
Bob Palmbach
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Vogel Electric
2312 P Street
Bakersfield, CA. 93301-2427
661-323-1995
www.vogelelectric.net
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Repair of Ampico B Electric Spool Drive Motor
[...]
[ Antique motor collectors have had good work done by this old-time
[ shop (since 1945) which still serves the oil fields of the San
[ Joaquin Valley in central California. Nowadays the shop has a
[ steady flow of small DC motors to repair, but they still enjoy the
[ the occasional challenge of rebuilding really old (pre-1900)
motors.
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Jim Coate wrote:
>
>
> > Read the spec sheets at: http://www.thunder-sky.com/Cpjs(En).htm
>
> The spec sheets are a bit sparse on details. The max discharge current
> is given as 3C (300 amps) but no indication of how long that current can
> be maintained.
My understanding is as long as it takes to discharge to 2.85V
while keeping the temp below 75'C limit. In practice you
wouldn't want to discharge to 2.85V, the life time won't
worth the money (in my opinion).
> As for the Ahr rating, the instruction manual page says "please cut off
> when measured to 2.85V" and "the best constant discharge current is 0.3
> multiple for rated capacity", so the 100Ahr rating is at 33.3amps until
> 2.85volts? Not too useful for EV applications.
Not too useful for your system but very useful for AC system:
my cruising current does not exceed 20A at 35 mpg and 45A at 65 mph.
> They have several graphs of performance up at
> http://www.thunder-sky.com/qxt(en).htm although I don't understand
> voltage vs Ahr plots; voltage verses time would make more sense to me.
> The graph at http://www.thunder-sky.com/qxt/Curve-4.htm shows discharge
> at different currents from 0.1C to 1.5C but no curves for 3C and seems
> to imply that capacity might be half at such high currents?
Could be, I didn't measure. No way though I can possibly draw
3C even from 90Ah cells without accelerating too fast,
at 360V it's 108kW of incoming power. What do you do with it
continuously?
>
> Putting together a pack of 72 to 80 of the 200Ahr cells could make the
> ultimate pickup truck with 150-200 mile range and cargo capacity intact.
> Extremely tempting, but at $20K I need to wait for some pioneers to
> gather real data.
Reply from thunder-sky mentioned most of their cars use 100Ah
and 200Ah cells.
As of waiting for pioneers, I want to drive normal EV
before I'm 80 years old and incapable to turn a wrench...
What can I loose other than money which is disposable and
replenishable item in life?
Victor
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That was one crazy job interview Plasma Boy!
Congratulations!
Roy LeMeur Seattle WA
My Electric Vehicle Pages:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
Informational Electric Vehicle Links:
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According to the specs, discharge is up to 3C = 300a from 100ahr cells. Max
recharge is .3C =30a.
-Ed T
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Jim Coate wrote:
> As for the Ahr rating, the instruction manual page says "please cut off
> when measured to 2.85V" and "the best constant discharge current is 0.3
> multiple for rated capacity", so the 100Ahr rating is at 33.3amps until
> 2.85volts? Not too useful for EV applications.
Victor responded:
Not too useful for your system but very useful for AC system:
my cruising current does not exceed 20A at 35 mpg and 45A at 65 mph.
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David Roden wrote:
> Did I miss something in this thread? I thought you were
> talking about buying an
> already-converted car; now it sounds like you're converting a
> van.
Garry's doing the van, I'm the one who's buying the car.
--
Lesley Walker
LRW_at_clear.net.nz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] until 17 March
"[Hybrid electric vehicles] are self-sustaining,
as long as you keep putting gas in the tank."
--- James R. Healey, USA Today
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1sclunn wrote:
>
> I think this is a deal also , and I know your ready , I
> want to hear all
> about your "getting to know him/her" that first ride ect .
For sure. The list will hear about my first ride and my first
EV grin. I'll be posting it on the photo album too, once I've
actually bought it.
> Of course If you here grinding ect and
> things are not as the say in ad , wish I could go with you
> and take a look ,
Yes, I wish I could get one of you guys from the list to come
with me - but I'll just have to rely on my own knowledge and
"common sense" (whatever that is).
I'm about to go away for the weekend, in the wrong direction
unfortunately otherwise I would be going up to AKL look at it
tomorrow.
--
Lesley Walker
LRW_at_clear.net.nz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] until 17 March
"[Hybrid electric vehicles] are self-sustaining,
as long as you keep putting gas in the tank."
--- James R. Healey, USA Today
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Joe Smalley wrote:
>
> You could make it more generic by claiming:
>
> 100% domestic electrons.
> No imported energy.
Good idea! Then I could use it too.
Of course there's nothing stopping me from
making my own.
--
Lesley Walker
LRW_at_clear.net.nz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] until 17 March
"[Hybrid electric vehicles] are self-sustaining,
as long as you keep putting gas in the tank."
--- James R. Healey, USA Today
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I live in a area where we see this temperature (37 to 40 deg. C) quite
often, my experience is that without GOOD cooling my batteries die from the
heat in about a year. I have finally come to the conclusion (after much
resistance) that the best way to cool the batteries is to blow a large
amount of air across to top post of the battery so that the lead post can
wick out the heat.
It might be ok for testing purpose to use just duct air for cooling but
some of the test results might not be accurate, like top speed and
acceleration, hot (40 deg. C) batteries make the car perform much better
than it would at 27 deg. C.
ww.lasvegasev.com
Richard Furniss
Las Vegas, NV
1986 Mazda EX-7 192v
1981 Lectra Centauri 108v
3 Wheel Trail Master 12v
Board Member, www.lveva.org
Las Vegas Electric Vehicle Association
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From: "veena" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ev discussion list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: battery charging
> hi all
> I stay in India and that too at chennai. the temperature will definitely
be
> around 37 to 40 deg C.
> with this kind of a hot place, will it be really necessary for me to go in
> for a fan for the batteries or atleast for experiment purpose can i just
> stop with ducts?
> thank you
> veena
>
>
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[ref
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/EVList/message/36936 ]
A web search with keywords love electric bicycle Suzuki
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=love+electric+bicycle+Suzuki
gave
http://www.suzuki.ie/press_office/corporate_info/corporate.html
1995 - [...]
- Electric-powered bicycle "LOVE" marketed.
If you want to explore this futher, contact the
Japanese EV Clubs:
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~MR5T-OKB/index-eng.html
http://www.jevc.gr.jp/
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This contains the usual marketing spin and mis-information. Just at the end
of last year Toyota announced that they've sold over 100,000 Prius and that
they've been making a profit. Also, typically the Honda and Toyota hybrids
cost the consumer about $4,000 over a similar all-gas version (as in the
Honda Civic vs the Honda Civic Hybrid).
This is just Detroit bellyaking that they don't want hybrids to be a
success. I also noticed that they only described fuel economy and nothing
about lower emissions. How are they supporting their claims? Are you going
to just kill the gas engine at a stop or are they going to enhance
performance some other way?
Still pretty lame considering the Japanese have a 4 year headstart over
Detroit, and a much better product.
-Ed T
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From: Charlie Richmond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:59 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: In Other News : Ford Takes a Loss on Hybrid Escape
On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Sam Harper wrote:
> http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/06/news/companies/ford_hybrid.reut/
> index.htm
Surely this report is wrong:
The hybrid Escape, the first such vehicle to hit the market from a Detroit
automaker, will boast a combined fuel economy of 35 to 40 miles per gallon
in
city driving and 30 mpg in highway driving.
Charlie
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Hi Lee,
I have started with a very basic vehicle, this little van does not have
power brakes or air bags.
My intention was to retain the gearbox, but the diff ratio is looking to be
a bit tall for this, and I hadn't thought about the speedo drive till you
pointed it out.
I have a largish flat cargo area in the rear and there looks to be plenty of
room to mount all the batteries, keeping the weight all between the axles
and even with a lift of an inch of so I can retain the rear seat with
batteries under it.
To be honest I was thinking that making this into a sealed compartment for
safety was going to be the time consuming part.
I have made sure I get all the cables to connect motor to controller and
ensured I have a supply of ready made longer cables should the need arise.
I don't envisage wiring problems and have already checked the laden weight
of the van to make sure the battery pack will not stress it past its factory
limit so there should not be suspension problems especially when the weight
goes where it is supposed to go.
Garry Stanley
Cable.net.nz
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Hi Folks,
I'm on a lot of lists, but I wish I had joined this one a year ago I would
be a lot smarter today.
Some of you will have gathered I have little understanding of all this
electricity thing, but I have a hands on approach to most things to learn
about them.
My project components are as follows:
1985 Suzuki st90 van
Lansing bagnell forklift 4 ton, year unknown.
Motor: 10 inch 72 volt 7.5 horse power 1750 rpm.
Charger: factory Lansing unit.
There is a second lift motor on this that looks to be about 7 inches
diameter and probably revs higher but I haven't found a name plate on it
yet.
Controller: factory unit for motor.
Batteries: Chloride power safe 33kg per 6 volt ( pack weight 390kg ).
Lee very kindly pointed out that I had probably overlooked some stuff when I
said this can be done in a couple of weeks and that I see no reason for it
to not go from petrol to electric (drivable) in 2 days, clearly I am talking
about just mounting the motor wiring it and testing to see if it actually
works.
So if anyone has any suggestions or comments about this project I am keen to
hear them.
The van does not have power brakes and anyone familiar with these little
vans will know that they have brakes that stand them on their front wheels
when unloaded, my battery pack at 390kg sitting in the back should prevent
that.
The van has a 1600kg gross weight with the van already taking just over
800kg of that so I should be able to carry the batteries and 4 people
without exceeding the manufactures specifications.
The batteries are going inside and will require a sealed compartment that is
also vented to the outside, I have chosen this route because this puts them
right where the van is supposed to carry its weight and I will have to have
it approved for road use here.
Also a flat level surface is a far better starting point than trying to fit
them in and around the underbelly.
Problems encountered before starting:
The motor speed of 1750 rpm coupled with the diff ratio of 5.1 to 1 and the
diameter of the wheel at 550 means the top speed of this is going to be 33
kph and means the gearbox would only end up being dead weight, unless I can
get a motor that goes faster or a diff with a 2.1 to 1 ratio for this.
Changing out the diff will add another days work to the base 2 day plan for
sure.
The motor has a standard universal joint attached to its shaft which means
mating it to the drive shaft would be easy, but at 33 kph I could just drive
the forklift around :).
Both ways the speedo becomes a problem but I thought a push bike speedo only
costs $40 and it gives more info than a car speedo and only requires a
magnet on a brake drum and 2 wires, so there will surely be a way around the
speedo problem.
I have also looked at push bike accessories, there are an immense number of
products out there ideally suited to this conversion from led tail lights to
small battery power halogen headlight sets with full and dip beams, as most
of the driving will be in the city on lit roads I might even get away with
these on this, I am wondering how many of you drive your EV at night ?
Anyone looking to see pictures of this and a few of my other recent bits
could check out
www.cable.net.nz/ou/nupix.html
If you can think of anything I might not have thought of please let me know.
Thanx
Garry Stanley
Cable.net.nz
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Ah, but the electrons don't actually travel very fast or very far, I've
heard, and since the power in question is AC, they will simply shuffle
back and forth.
So unless you're working for a power company at a substation that's very
close to a border AND charging at work, you can be fairly certain that
your actual electrons are indeed domestic ones.
Just leave out the bit that says "no imported energy".
:-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon "Sheer" Pullen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, 7 March 2003 05:36
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: (US) EV bumper sticker proposal
>
>
> I hate to pick nits..
>
> But, while I like the idea, it's not true for a number of reasons.
>
> First of all, America buys a sizable chunk of the power for
> it's grid from
> Canada.
> Second of all, a small but measurable percentage of the power
> on the grid
> comes from foreign fuels - imported natural gas and oil. I think it's
> hovering somewhere around 10%, but I'm sure one of the number
> gurus can
> correct me on that.
>
> Of course, if we were all running EVs, we _could_ do everything on our
> domestic oil supply, what with the efficiency boost that the
> EV process
> gives and the idleless nature of EVs. (I wonder what
> percentage of american
> oil consumption goes into idling in traffic?)
>
> S.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:24 PM
> Subject: Re: (US) EV bumper sticker proposal
>
>
> > I like the idea.
> >
> > You could make it more generic by claiming:
> >
> > 100% domestic electrons.
> > No imported energy.
> >
> > Joe Smalley
> > Rural Kitsap County WA
> > Fiesta 48 volts
> > NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: (US) EV bumper sticker proposal
> >
> >
> > > Grannes, Dean wrote:
> > > > I propose to make up a bumper sticker with the message
> "Powered by
> 100%
> > > > American Electrons". I came up with an initial design
> last night. It
> > > > can be viewed at:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/ironstephanie/americanelectrons.gif
> > >
> > > I love it, Dean. Put me down for a couple!
> > > --
> > > Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
> > > 814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
> > > Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
> > > leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in -
> Leonard Cohen
> > >
> >
>
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garry;
What is the top speed of this van now?
What does it have for a transmission?
Are you sure its a 5.1:1 differential?
If your transmission is direct drive in its highest gear then the engine
will be turning around 4400 rpm at 90kph, this doesn't sound very realistic.
If it's an overdrive then your top speed if you keep the tranny will be much
better.
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I just bought a Dell Axium 400 Mhz and would like to use it
instead of my Palm M125 for EV dash.
Does something like this exist?
If not, any pointers on how to create my own version?
What is the serial data protocal for the E meter?
Thanks,
Rod
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Mark Fowler wrote:
> Don't forget that this car (and Lesley) are in New Zealand,
> and the price is in $NZ, which (like my $AUS) are worth quite
> a bit less than the $US.
Yes, I forgot to mention that. The NZ dollar is currently worth
about US$0.55.
> Which makes the good deal and even better deal (knowing how
> much an ADC 9" and Curtis cost here in Aus - over $5K in total).
Not to mention the cost of meters, contactors, suitable cable for
wiring, building battery boxes, getting an adapter machined... the
list goes on and the numbers add up.
Okay, I think I've convinced myself... not that it took a lot. :-)
I'm making arrangements to go and see it, probably in about 2-3
weeks time.
--
Lesley Walker
LRW_at_clear.net.nz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] until 17 March
"[Hybrid electric vehicles] are self-sustaining,
as long as you keep putting gas in the tank."
--- James R. Healey, USA Today
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Anybody else used their EV as a resume/<g>!
Seeya
Bob
First, congratulations to John on his new job.
The days pass much faster when you are doing something you enjoy (while
getting paid)
I've always used my EV experience to get jobs (I've worked at
Caterpillar, Clark Material Handling
GE-EVS, Baldor and now Ametek-Rotron.
They see the enthusiam in your design activities outside of work which
reinforces the idea you are
in this business because you are dedicated.
I still cross over many ideas from the EV list and my home projects to
usefull ideas that will benifit my employer.
Rod
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Hi Timothy,
The top speed would be around 100 kph and I would guess it was doing 6000
rpm at that.
I had a rev counter on it, don't know how accurate, but it said it was doing
3000 at 50 kph in top gear.
My calculator indicates that it will do only 35 kph at the motors stated
speed of 1750 rpm direct drive to the drive shaft.
Yes I have a 4 speed box in it.
My speed to rpm test indicates that the ratio is actually 6 to 1 but the
wrecker I asked about lower ratio dif centers, said its factory diff is 5.1
to 1, bad either way :(
No over drive unfortunately, I was thinking of maybe turning the box around,
but the losses to friction might me more than I imagine doing this :(
Garry Stanley
Cable.net.nz
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Hi David,
Thanks. I created the entire site on my Mac G4 using Adobe Illustrator 10,
Adobe Photoshop 7, Flash MX, Dreamweaver MX and Quicktime Pro. First, I drew
the Watt Wheels car and the site graphics in Illustrator, then created the
animation sequence in Flash MX and developed the HTML using Dreamweaver MX.
Photoshop was used to edit the photos.
The sound of the Watt Wheels car peeling out is actually a sound track
extracted from a MOV movie taken of Bob Salem's electric VW pickup at our
Power of DC race last year.
It's great having all these computer toys to play with.
Chip Gribben
On 3/6/03 2:28 PM, "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> From: David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:40:39 -0800 (PST)
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Power of DC Graphics
>
> http://www.powerofdc.com/powerofdc_movie.html
>
> Who did the graphics? Most excellent! Which software tools were used?
>
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How's that for irony. Most convertors here drive around in second gear
because their rear gears aren't tall enough for the motor they have
available. You have the correct gear ratio but your motor isn't spec'd to go
the fast enough for it. If you were in the states I could see a trade
happening, but alas shipping to and from NZ would be prohibitive.
I hadn't thought of turning the gear box around. It might work great for
you. I have a feeling that Lee will be quite impressed with that idea.
Stay Charged!
Hump
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From: garry
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 3/6/03 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: Suzuki van conversion.
Hi Timothy,
The top speed would be around 100 kph and I would guess it was doing
6000
rpm at that.
I had a rev counter on it, don't know how accurate, but it said it was
doing
3000 at 50 kph in top gear.
My calculator indicates that it will do only 35 kph at the motors stated
speed of 1750 rpm direct drive to the drive shaft.
Yes I have a 4 speed box in it.
My speed to rpm test indicates that the ratio is actually 6 to 1 but the
wrecker I asked about lower ratio dif centers, said its factory diff is
5.1
to 1, bad either way :(
No over drive unfortunately, I was thinking of maybe turning the box
around,
but the losses to friction might me more than I imagine doing this :(
Garry Stanley
Cable.net.nz
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My Netscape shows just black screen.
Victor
Chip Gribben wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> Thanks. I created the entire site on my Mac G4 using Adobe Illustrator 10,
> Adobe Photoshop 7, Flash MX, Dreamweaver MX and Quicktime Pro. First, I drew
> the Watt Wheels car and the site graphics in Illustrator, then created the
> animation sequence in Flash MX and developed the HTML using Dreamweaver MX.
> Photoshop was used to edit the photos.
>
> The sound of the Watt Wheels car peeling out is actually a sound track
> extracted from a MOV movie taken of Bob Salem's electric VW pickup at our
> Power of DC race last year.
>
> It's great having all these computer toys to play with.
>
> Chip Gribben
>
>
>
> On 3/6/03 2:28 PM, "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > From: David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:40:39 -0800 (PST)
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Power of DC Graphics
> >
> > http://www.powerofdc.com/powerofdc_movie.html
> >
> > Who did the graphics? Most excellent! Which software tools were used?
> >
> >
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> Motor: 10 inch 72 volt 7.5 horse power 1750 rpm.
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> The batteries are going inside and will require a sealed compartment that is
> also vented to the outside, I have chosen this route because this puts them
> right where the van is supposed to carry its weight and I will have to have
> it approved for road use here.
>
Don't forget to securely fasten the batteries to the van. The preferred
method seems to be metal straps over the batteries that are bolted down.
If an accident should occur you don't loose batteries flying around
inside your van (Newton strike again)
> The motor speed of 1750 rpm coupled with the diff ratio of 5.1 to 1 and the
> diameter of the wheel at 550 means the top speed of this is going to be 33
> kph and means the gearbox would only end up being dead weight, unless I can
> get a motor that goes faster or a diff with a 2.1 to 1 ratio for this.
A lower ration would certainly help a bunch. Another option to consider
is running the motor at a higher voltage. The rated RPM for the motor
is how fast it will spin when delivering 7.5 hp. If the torque
requirement is lower than rated, or if you raise the voltage with the
same torque output, the motor's RPM will increase. Without knowing more
about the motor it's hard to say, but I'd guess that it could safely
handle at least 3,000 RPM.
If you run 96V that will bump your HP up to about 10hp at 2400 rpm, of
course you probably wouldn't be able to use the factory controller if
you do.
Fact of the mater is that if you use the factory motor, factory
controller, and factory batteries, you are not going to see much better
than factory speed.
>
> I have also looked at push bike accessories, there are an immense number of
> products out there ideally suited to this conversion from led tail lights to
> small battery power halogen headlight sets with full and dip beams, as most
> of the driving will be in the city on lit roads I might even get away with
> these on this, I am wondering how many of you drive your EV at night ?
>
Many people do, however a trolling battery (12V deep cycle) is adequate
to run standard auto head lights for an hour which is about all the
longer your traction batteries are going to last anyway. Heck you can
probably get 6 months or so of use out of the starting battery that's
already in the van.
Switching to bicycle components won't gain you any range, might present
a safety issue, might cause legal problems, and will definitely cost you
extra money so why bother?
I currently use a 12V deep cycle battery for my truck. It can run the
lights, accessories, radio, etc. for several nights in a row without
needing to be recharged (though I usually charge it every time)
Using a DC/DC converter will give you brighter headlights and reduce
your maximum range by possibly 200 meters.
> Anyone looking to see pictures of this and a few of my other recent bits
> could check out
>
> www.cable.net.nz/ou/nupix.html
>
> If you can think of anything I might not have thought of please let me know.
>
> Thanx
>
> Garry Stanley
>
> Cable.net.nz
>
>
>
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EVDL
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Hi Garry,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of garry
> Sent: March 6, 2003 3:46 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Suzuki van conversion.
> Lansing bagnell forklift 4 ton, year unknown.
>
> Motor: 10 inch 72 volt 7.5 horse power 1750 rpm.
This sounds suspiciously like the shunt-wound lift truck motor one of our
local club members used to convert a 2-door Dodge Omni/Plymouth Horizon TC3
(same body style and approximate year as a Jet 007). It is a huge motor,
comparable in size (and, I expect, weight) to a 30HP series-wound Kostov.
This conversion used an SCR controller modified to handle a 78V pack (of 6V
T105s) and was capable of about 30kph flat out on level ground; speed
dropped on any sort of incline. Since then the car has been upgraded to a
104V (I believe) pack of 8V golf cart batteries and is reputed to now top
out at 50kph.
For reference, compare this to the performance of a typical Jet 007, such
as:
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/001.html
It is not a good choice for a conversion; a smaller, lighter series wound
motor such as an Advanced DC 8" or a comparable size motor out of a lift
truck will give you better performance. If the 7" lift motor you refer to
is series wound, even it would probably be a better choice for you than this
shunt motor.
Cheers,
Roger.
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From: "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 5:08 PM
Subject: EV Dash for Win CE
> I just bought a Dell Axium 400 Mhz and would like to use it
> instead of my Palm M125 for EV dash.
> Does something like this exist?
> If not, any pointers on how to create my own version?
If you're up on your MFC programming, you should have very little trouble
writing a app of this kind - you need the embedded version of visual C,
which last I looked was about $30 from microsoft. You also need a SDK for
the Dell.
> What is the serial data protocal for the E meter?
Comma delimited ASCII. ;-) Feilds are: (off the top of my head, you might
want to check the e-meter manual)
0 - time
1 - kwhrs
2 - amps
3 - volts
4 - amp hours
5 - puekert amps
6 - time remaining
7 - bar graph state
8 - temp
9 - raw something or other, amp hours, maybe..
S.
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When I originally wrote the email I thought "I wish Sheer would write
this app"
You are much more technically savy with these devices and probably have the
software to do it on your computer system. So, what kind of bribes need
to be made
to do this? I have lots of EV parts in the basement, but little time to
do a Win CE interface.
So who is up to the challenge?.
Thanks Jon for the simple protocol, it probably isn't a significant task
for a person familiar
with these operating systems to write a program to make a CE based EV
dash, but for
a motor control designer to do this probably is a BIG task. Maybe I
should bite the bullet
and learn, but there are too many power electronics designs racing in my
head to learn properly.
I guess the old dog should learn new tricks! (although I'm not that old,
just 37 and going on 65
watching the news tonight!)
Jon \"Sheer\" Pullen wrote:
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From: "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 5:08 PM
Subject: EV Dash for Win CE
I just bought a Dell Axium 400 Mhz and would like to use it
instead of my Palm M125 for EV dash.
Does something like this exist?
If not, any pointers on how to create my own version?
If you're up on your MFC programming, you should have very little trouble
writing a app of this kind - you need the embedded version of visual C,
which last I looked was about $30 from microsoft. You also need a SDK for
the Dell.
What is the serial data protocal for the E meter?
Comma delimited ASCII. ;-) Feilds are: (off the top of my head, you might
want to check the e-meter manual)
0 - time
1 - kwhrs
2 - amps
3 - volts
4 - amp hours
5 - puekert amps
6 - time remaining
7 - bar graph state
8 - temp
9 - raw something or other, amp hours, maybe..
S.
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