EV Digest 2887
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) ALEL Electric scooters
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Tilley and his Delorean/OT
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Electromechanical counter
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Orbital YT Wannabes (was Long trip)
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) RS-232 DMM
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) New Electric Record
by "Dave Stensland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: RS-232 DMM
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: New Electric Record
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
9) RE: New Electric Record
by "Dave Stensland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: New Electric Record
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Orbital YT Wannabes
by Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) real time wh/mile meter?
by Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Orbital YT Wannabes (was Long trip)
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) B&D CMM 1000 electric lawn mower question
by "Cliff Rassweiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) EVLN(Jeri Unser's open wheel EV in 81st Race to the Clouds)-long
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Orbital YT Wannabes (was Long trip)
by Otmar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Gasless on Greenwood AV.
by "Steven S. Lough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Electromechanical counter
by "Richard Furniss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: RS-232 DMM
by "Richard Furniss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Orbital YT Wannabes (was Long trip)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: real time wh/mile meter?
by Seth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) RE: RS-232 DMM
by "Bryan Avery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Meter damping
by Lesley Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: B&D CMM 1000 electric lawn mower question
by "Eric Penne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Exide Orbital (was Re: Long trip)
by Lesley Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Orbital YT Wannabes (was Long trip)
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re:Back East Drag Race
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
28) I'm back! -and- help with Project GTI
by Nathaniel Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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ALEL http://www.alel.biz has completed their
Electric Scooter development and are proceeding
to production.
Their page in English
http://www.alel.biz/Alel/info_du_mois_eng.html
states they are seeking North American distributors.
Customer and investor inquiries are welcome.
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From: "Michael Hoskinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
There's not place for
> a hood ornament on my D but a nice roof antenna set at a rakish
> angle from the top of the windshield. Your Clunn Generator would
> look great there.
>
> Mike Hoskinson
>
>The info on the contest and some pictures of some HO's are at
http://www.grassrootsev.com/events.htm only one picture of one with a VCR
head so far. I've thought of putting one on some pvc and sliding it over the
antenna . I haven't figured a good way to balance them yet , I'm looking
forward to hearing about the first one somebody else dose. I gave somebody a
ride the other day and when we got back they were more excited about the HO
then the EV .
Steve Clunn
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Hi all,
Anyone have a source for an electromechanical type counter that I could use
on my BC (Batt Cycler) project?
Basically what I need is some type of counter that I can set to say 1-99
events that will count down to 0 upon application of power and then shut
off. I want to configure this so that I can just dial in X number of cycles
on my battery cycler and then go about my business knowing that the cycler
will shut off after a certain # of cycles. I know I have seen something like
this on industrial process machinery, but darned if I can find anything so
far. Don't really know the proper name for it, Process Control Counter
maybe? I looked at the local electro/industrial salvage place the other day
for 4 hours, but almost heat stroked out and didn't find anything like that.
Which is probably a good thing, trunk on car was getting full of other
goodies. Wish they didn't take credit cards.... DC.
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Hello to All,
1sclunn wrote:
> I just got 20 Exide Orbital orb34-36 Marine deep cycle batteries form my
> local batteries store. They don't sell YT's but These look just like them.
> I didn't see "starter/ deep cycle on them like the one's I got for Paul's
> car but I did see 925amps [EMAIL PROTECTED] .....
> Any body using these YT wan to be's
> Steve Clunn
Steve, there is a deep cycle version of the marine Orbital, called the 34DC, and it's
even got a cool blue top, too! If you got the other marine type with a red top, you
probably did not get deep cycle batteries...seems they took a page from Optima with the
red and blue battery top piece colors. The best and most robust deep cycle model
though,
is their
recently released 'Purple Haze' model, technically the 34XCD. This model was aimed at
the
low rider hydraulic and car
stereo crowd. The Orbital Purple Haze model is a true deep cycle, with 80% discharge
cycle
life ratings
right their with Optima YTs. Slightly less stout than a YT, Purple Haze can safely be
discharged at 1100 amps for 5 seconds. The best thing, is that the less serious marine
34DC
sells for $110, while the beefier 34XCD sells at just $98!
I've spent some time with a large Exide warehouse and the regional manager lately, so
I'm
up on these batteries right now. Spec wise, they are close to, but not as heavy
hitting as
YTs. They are slightly less in their ahr capacity, they are slightly less in their cca
capacity, but, they are lighter than YTs by about 3 lbs. The sad thing, is that though
their basic battery case is smaller in all dimensions than a YT, they blew it with that
big over-hanging top piece 'lid' with the handle and all, so that including the top
'lid',
the orbital comes in 'larger' than a YT! If you are building an EV, even though these
are really
smaller than YTs, they will take up more battery box real-estate.
My long planned, long awaited minitruck project 'Purple Phaze', sounds awfully close to
'Purple Haze'. I have been looking to put NiZN batteries in this project, but with an
offer of battery sponsorship from my Exide friends (for the race car), and with hints
that
they might extend the sponsorship offer and do an Orbital pack thing for the minitruck
as
well, I might consider going with 'Purple Haze' for the truck name with matching named
batteries. This would be great PR for Exide, and a cool sponsorship deal for me, too.
It's too bad I don't work for Exide in their marketing department...I would have dissed
the unnecessarily bulky top lid piece to make the overall battery package smaller than
a
YT, and for gods sake, with such a cool name for a battery as 'Purple Haze', and
trying to
compete with the wildly cool looking bright yellow Optimas in the fun world of
hydraulic
cars and stereo cars, and knowing that Exide already has Orbital versions with red and
blue tops,
I would have at least cast the battery top in purple (it only has a
purple side label on the otherwise bland looking battery).
See Ya......John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
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Just found a Wavetek 38 XR at the local Frys that has the RS-232 cable,
Windows compatable software and a thermocouple attachment for right around $
150.00
Seems like a pretty nice unit and a decent price, anyone use one of these or
had any experiance with Wavetec? I might have to change my mind about
building a dumb BC for this kind of money upgrade. Would be really useful if
you could use the thermocouple feature while recording Volts and Amps. DC.
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Hi all,
Yesterday Jerry Unser set a new world record for the�electric
class�during today's�81st annual Pikes Peak International Hill Climb in
the Compact Power ER3.
People from all over the world witnessed the nearly silent ER3 fly up
the mountain in a record-breaking 14:33.12 run, trumping�last year's
electric record set by Tim Eckert at 15:18.6 in the car's predecessor,
the ER2.��Indeed, this electric car ran better than a good portion of
the gasoline competitors at the race!
Photos posted at:
http://www.megawattmotorworks.com
Vroom!
-Dave
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I recently bought a DMM w/RS-232 for $50 (hmm, think it was on sale for $40
when I bought it.) from MPJA.Com
http://www.mpja.com/directview.asp?product=14311+TE
Seems to work ok, but I haven't played with the RS-232 capabilities yet.
At 08:40 AM 6/29/2003 -0700, David Chapman wrote:
Just found a Wavetek 38 XR at the local Frys that has the RS-232 cable,
Windows compatable software and a thermocouple attachment for right around
$
150.00
Seems like a pretty nice unit and a decent price, anyone use one of these
or
had any experiance with Wavetec? I might have to change my mind about
building a dumb BC for this kind of money upgrade. Would be really useful
if
you could use the thermocouple feature while recording Volts and Amps. DC.
--
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Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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What is the record for ICE vehicles ?
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:52:46 -0600 "Dave Stensland"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi all,
>
> Yesterday Jerry Unser set a new world record for the�electric
> class�during today's�81st annual Pikes Peak International Hill Climb
> in
> the Compact Power ER3.
>
> People from all over the world witnessed the nearly silent ER3 fly up
> the mountain in a record-breaking 14:33.12 run, trumping�last year's
> electric record set by Tim Eckert at 15:18.6 in the car's
> predecessor,
> the ER2.��Indeed, this electric car ran better than a good portion of
> the gasoline competitors at the race!
>
> Photos posted at:
> http://www.megawattmotorworks.com
>
> Vroom!
> -Dave
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 10:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New Electric Record
What is the record for ICE vehicles ?
I think it's in the open wheel division, at 10:05.85. That
record was set by Robby Unser 9 years ago. Robby is slated to drive the
ER3 either next year or the year after in a full-out attempt on the
overall race record.
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At 10:52 AM 6/29/03, you wrote:
Hi all,
Yesterday Jerry Unser set a new world record for the electric
class during today's 81st annual Pikes Peak International Hill Climb in
the Compact Power ER3.
People from all over the world witnessed the nearly silent ER3 fly up
the mountain in a record-breaking 14:33.12 run, trumping last year's
electric record set by Tim Eckert at 15:18.6 in the car's predecessor,
the ER2. Indeed, this electric car ran better than a good portion of
the gasoline competitors at the race!
The sound that the car made was largely artificial! Last year,
they put an annoying siren on the ER2. This year, they programmed a speaker
to put out a "transmission-like" whine or buzz proportional to the speed of
the car. When the car was moving slowly, the sound was like a buzz. As it
went faster, it sounded more like a whine. At very slow speeds, it sounded
more like clicking. I suspect that they just divided down the motor encoder
signal and sent the TTL pulses directly to a speaker in the front of the car.
If they had put baseball cards on the wheel spokes, it would have made a
similar sound. :^)
It was perfect weather for the spectators, but the warm dry day
made the gravel track more slippery than usual. There were not many other
records set because of this. The fact that few records set made the new
electric record all that more impressive.
Not bad for less that $1 worth of electricity. :^)
_ /| Bill "Wisenheimer" Dube'
\'o.O' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Optima-boy endorsing an Optima knock-off? I don't believe it! :-)
anyone got a website for these guys? sounds like a cheaper option for
Optima performance...
Seth
On Sunday, June 29, 2003, at 03:37 AM, John Wayland wrote:
Hello to All,
1sclunn wrote:
I just got 20 Exide Orbital orb34-36 Marine deep cycle batteries form
my
local batteries store. They don't sell YT's but These look just like
them.
I didn't see "starter/ deep cycle on them like the one's I got for
Paul's
car but I did see 925amps [EMAIL PROTECTED] .....
Any body using these YT wan to be's
Steve Clunn
Steve, there is a deep cycle version of the marine Orbital, called the
34DC, and it's
even got a cool blue top, too! If you got the other marine type with a
red top, you
probably did not get deep cycle batteries...seems they took a page
from Optima with the
red and blue battery top piece colors. The best and most robust deep
cycle model though,
is their
recently released 'Purple Haze' model, technically the 34XCD. This
model was aimed at the
low rider hydraulic and car
stereo crowd. The Orbital Purple Haze model is a true deep cycle, with
80% discharge cycle
life ratings
right their with Optima YTs. Slightly less stout than a YT, Purple
Haze can safely be
discharged at 1100 amps for 5 seconds. The best thing, is that the
less serious marine 34DC
sells for $110, while the beefier 34XCD sells at just $98!
I've spent some time with a large Exide warehouse and the regional
manager lately, so I'm
up on these batteries right now. Spec wise, they are close to, but not
as heavy hitting as
YTs. They are slightly less in their ahr capacity, they are slightly
less in their cca
capacity, but, they are lighter than YTs by about 3 lbs. The sad
thing, is that though
their basic battery case is smaller in all dimensions than a YT, they
blew it with that
big over-hanging top piece 'lid' with the handle and all, so that
including the top 'lid',
the orbital comes in 'larger' than a YT! If you are building an EV,
even though these are really
smaller than YTs, they will take up more battery box real-estate.
My long planned, long awaited minitruck project 'Purple Phaze', sounds
awfully close to
'Purple Haze'. I have been looking to put NiZN batteries in this
project, but with an
offer of battery sponsorship from my Exide friends (for the race car),
and with hints that
they might extend the sponsorship offer and do an Orbital pack thing
for the minitruck as
well, I might consider going with 'Purple Haze' for the truck name
with matching named
batteries. This would be great PR for Exide, and a cool sponsorship
deal for me, too.
It's too bad I don't work for Exide in their marketing department...I
would have dissed
the unnecessarily bulky top lid piece to make the overall battery
package smaller than a
YT, and for gods sake, with such a cool name for a battery as 'Purple
Haze', and trying to
compete with the wildly cool looking bright yellow Optimas in the fun
world of hydraulic
cars and stereo cars, and knowing that Exide already has Orbital
versions with red and
blue tops,
I would have at least cast the battery top in purple (it only has a
purple side label on the otherwise bland looking battery).
See Ya......John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
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http://users.wpi.edu/~sethm/
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I have a feeling someone else has probably already posed this
question/idea to the list...
would it be feasible to build a meter which could show real time
wh/mile energy use? if you put an optical or magnetic sensor on the
drive shaft and used serial data from an Emeter (or used a separate
shunt and voltage hookup), could you somehow run it all to a PIC or
Atmel and drive a digital or analog display? I don't know enough yet
about programming these things to make something like this, although
maybe by the end of next year... thanks enough for any thoughts,
Seth
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Probably the biggest single difference between the orbital and the
Optima is that the Orbital has individual Bunsen valves for each cell and
the Optima has two Bunsen valves that are common to all the cells.
Only time and experience will tell, but there is a possibility
that the isolated cells in the Orbital may help with life span under abuse.
This has only been conjectured, and not proved (to the best of my knowledge.)
It is thought that water MIGHT transfer between cells in an Optima
when one of the cells is overcharged and/or reversed. The reason that they
isolated the cells on the Orbital is that they thought it would prevent
this from happening. Since no one has actually observed the water transfer,
the isolated cells was apparently a "Well, it can't hurt to do it." addition.
Once folks start getting some miles on the Orbital deep cycle
batteries, perhaps we will have some actual numbers to compare. I'd be very
interested to hear how well the Orbitals do under typical EV abuse. Unless
you are driving your EV until it slows down, or charging it with no regs,
you probably won't see a difference. If you are doing these things, let us
all know how long your batteries survive.
_ /| Bill "Wisenheimer" Dube'
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Hi,
The batteries on my Black and Decker electric mower are finally giving out.
Anybody have a suggestion on best replacement batteries?
Thanks,
Cliff
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http://www.insidedenver.com/drmn/racing/article/0,1299,DRMN_52_2075888,00.html
Dallenbach wins Pikes Peak after five year absence
By Scott Stocker, Rocky Mountain News June 28, 2003
CASCADE - The Vahsholtz family quest has been completed.
Father Leonard Vahsholtz became the winningest driver on
Pikes Peak Saturday winning his 14th title in the Falken
Tires Pikes Peak International Hill Climb. Son, Clint, also
continued his domination, winning the eighth-consecutive
title in a stock car division and his 11th overall.
[...]
But Leonard Vahsholtz, from Woodland Park, can also lock
into being called King of the Hill as well with his 14th
overall division championship, one better than three-time
Indianapolis 500 winner Bobby Unser, who had won 13 Hill
Climbs. Vahsholtz won the Super Stock Truck/SUV Division
with a time of 11:57.92.
[...]
Leonard and Clint also have the record for victories by a
father and son with their 25, which betters the Unser tandem
of father Bobby (13) and son, Robby (8).
However, the Unsers were not without a star performance.
Jeri Unser, Bobby's daughter, set the Hill Climb record in
an electric car with a time of 14:33.06. That being the
case, the Unser's have the best record for wins in the Hill
Climb by a father, son and daughter (22).
Unser's record-breaking performance, with brother Robby in
the crew, was one of three set by drivers during the day.
The second was set by the Sports Car Club of America duo of
Mark Lovell and Roger Freeman of the United Kingdom with a
time of 11:39.63.
[...]
Jeri Unser felt she had a bad day, despite her record.
"It wasn't easy at all," said Unser, the first driver to
reach the summit of the mountain. "The course was super
slick and I was pushing hard through the corners. The road
was loose and I also had trouble through the W's."
[...]
Results
[...]
Electric -- 1. Jeri Unser, 14:33.06
(record, old record 15:18.06, Tim Eckert, 2002).
[...]
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Hill Climb lights spark for Unsers
Electric car bids to jolt Pikes Peak Race to Clouds
By Scott Stocker, Rocky Mountain News June 28, 2003
CASCADE - Jeri and Robby Unser are seeking ways to bring
even more electricity to the Falken Pikes Peak International
Hill Climb.
Jeri Unser, Robby's younger sister and the daughter of famed
Hill Climb and Indianapolis 500 champion Bobby Unser, will
drive an open wheel electric car in today's 81st running of
the Race to the Clouds. Racing begins at begins at 9 a.m. at
the starting line located at the 7-mile marker.
Their effort doesn't offer the only potential drama today.
Two additional questions could dominate today's Race to the
Clouds.
� Can Clint Vahsholtz win his eighth consecutive stock car
championship, and his 11th Hill Climb title in a row?
� Can Vahsholtz's father,
Leonard, win his 14th overall title and become the
winningest driver in Hill Climb history?
Leonard is tied with Bobby Unser for top honors among the
drivers.
Of course, it is not the first time electric cars have
competed on the 14,110-foot mountain, and Jeri has no
thoughts on breaking the magic 10-minute barrier. At least,
not this time.
But Jeri and Robby, who is helping his sister as a member of
her crew, think an electric car is the wave of the future
and soon the quickest way up the 12.42-mile course.
Electric cars have been much slower than most of the fuel-
powered cars that traverse the 156-turn course. But
improvements have made electric cars much faster, as
evidenced by Jeri's practice times this past week.
"There are a lot of ideas we can work on with electric
cars," Unser said. "You are not going to have any horsepower
loss like the fuel cars have as they reach the summit. You
also don't have to carry fuel, you can put the weight real
low in the car and, obviously, the car will have speed and a
lot of torque.
"I mean, Jeri's car ran through (Glenn Cove) at over 90 mph
(Thursday in qualifying), so we know it can go," said Unser,
an eight-time winner at Pikes Peak who holds the
second-fastest time recorded on the mountain.
Unser said improvement in the batteries are making the
difference. The technology that allows more energy to be
stored for the engines has taken a huge step forward.
The record for an electric car was set last year by Tim
Eckert, with a time of 15 minutes, 18.6 seconds. Eckert, the
manager of the Vehicle Laboratory of Compact Power Inc. in
Monument, also is working with the Unsers this year. Jeri
will be driving Eckert's car, which generates about 220
horsepower.
"That's almost equivalent to 500 horsepower in a fuel car,"
Jeri Unser said. "Tim was great to give up his seat and let
me drive (today). We'll go for the electric record."
Unser's qualifying time of 6:41.14 bodes well for that
attempt. Her best time on the upper section in practice was
7:48.74. That translates into a possible 14:19.88 run.
"The road conditions still mean everything to a run,
though," Jeri Unser said.
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It is thought that water MIGHT transfer between cells in an
Optima when one of the cells is overcharged and/or reversed. The
reason that they isolated the cells on the Orbital is that they
thought it would prevent this from happening. Since no one has
actually observed the water transfer, the isolated cells was
apparently a "Well, it can't hurt to do it." addition.
As one weak data point: I lost a cell on a battery in my car. The
batteries were mounted at an angle and the cell that went out was on
the top row. I was guessing that the angle may have contributed to
that cell running out.
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http://www.CafeElectric.com
Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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BOY ! What a venue. Mind you 99.8% of all vehicles there ( over 400 )
were gas burning
fire breathing ICE's... But the combination of the 80+ degree sunny
day, and all the beautiful
chrome, and custom paint jobs and car clubs, etc..etc. brought out
10's of Thousands of
people. And for better or for worse, they were all EXPOSED to a good
dose of EV Propaganda. I can tell this was a DinO-Mite venue, for we
gave out far more info brochure hand outs than at any other show we have
had here in Seattle .....maybe EVER ! Now mind you
with the territory came a lot of "Gear Heads" and "Oil Jockeys" and lots
of skepticism, but with
so many folks, we were bound to hit Pay Dirt. Lots of "Thumbs UP" and
High 5's and positive Vibes
We had a GEM N.E.V. thanks to Tom True of EV Parts. And we also had
Rodric Wildes Ford Roadster, which by the way WON a Trophy ! A big
trophy !. for I guess Best-of-Kind. Many thanks to Rodric of EV Parts,
and Tom for bringing the car, and all the work that went into that.
We also had John Marshalls impeccable VW Rabbit PU conversion, and John
Frost's E-914 Porsche, thanks to Don Meyer who delivered the car to the
show. And we had a bright
yellow Sparrow, thanks to Steve Bernheim. Don "Father Time" Crabtree
brought two of his
E-Drag Bikes, and Steve Lough brought his Red " Lil-Sipper" Honda
Insight.
Also want to thank Ryan Fulcher for helping pilot one of Crabtree's
bikes, and to Dave Cloud for
driving the GEM NEV down to the show.
There were so SO many cars which wanted into the show, that many were
turned away. Only
hitch, is that we got in the 2 mile long que a little late (round 8:30)
and when we finally were
directed down to the show area, there were NOT 7 consecutive spots for
us to park next to
each other, as we were prommised. . So we were spread out round one
central intersection. It worked out OK, but next year we will get
there at 7 am, so we can park together like the 20+ Morris Mini-Minor
club did..... and other clubs.
Now lets see how many of these folks show UP at our July SEVA meeting on
the 8th.
Till then, many Thanks to all who participated.
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: http://slough1.home.mindspring.com/seva.html
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Here are some of the places I have used for surplus stuff, also check Mike
Chancey page for more links.
http://www.meci.com/
http://www.mpja.com/allpictspl.asp?dept=287&product=13020+sc
http://www.aaaim.com/CandH/index.htm
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/4214/links.html
www.lasvegasev.com
Richard Furniss
Las Vegas, NV
1986 Mazda EX-7 192v
1981 Lectra Centauri 108v
3 Wheel Trail Master 12v
Board Member, www.lveva.org
Las Vegas Electric Vehicle Association
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From: "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 8:22 AM
Subject: Electromechanical counter
> Hi all,
> Anyone have a source for an electromechanical type counter that I could
use
> on my BC (Batt Cycler) project?
> Basically what I need is some type of counter that I can set to say 1-99
> events that will count down to 0 upon application of power and then shut
> off. I want to configure this so that I can just dial in X number of
cycles
> on my battery cycler and then go about my business knowing that the cycler
> will shut off after a certain # of cycles. I know I have seen something
like
> this on industrial process machinery, but darned if I can find anything so
> far. Don't really know the proper name for it, Process Control Counter
> maybe? I looked at the local electro/industrial salvage place the other
day
> for 4 hours, but almost heat stroked out and didn't find anything like
that.
> Which is probably a good thing, trunk on car was getting full of other
> goodies. Wish they didn't take credit cards.... DC.
>
>
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Wavetek is an excellent meter, Radio shack has one for $60 if you need to
keep the budget low.
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/4214/links.html
www.lasvegasev.com
Richard Furniss
Las Vegas, NV
1986 Mazda EX-7 192v
1981 Lectra Centauri 108v
3 Wheel Trail Master 12v
Board Member, www.lveva.org
Las Vegas Electric Vehicle Association
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From: "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 8:40 AM
Subject: RS-232 DMM
> Just found a Wavetek 38 XR at the local Frys that has the RS-232 cable,
> Windows compatable software and a thermocouple attachment for right around
$
> 150.00
> Seems like a pretty nice unit and a decent price, anyone use one of these
or
> had any experiance with Wavetec? I might have to change my mind about
> building a dumb BC for this kind of money upgrade. Would be really useful
if
> you could use the thermocouple feature while recording Volts and Amps. DC.
>
>
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This topic inspired me to do a little research on
Orbitals and how they compare to YTs.
http://exideworld.com/products/marine_rv/orbital_marine_dc_specs.html
group 34 ORB34DC-36 [EMAIL PROTECTED] F [EMAIL PROTECTED] F
$159.99 10-1/8 L, 7W, 8H
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/joeztools/34deepcycbat.html
34 Series Deep Cycle & Starting Battery.
950 Marine Cranking Amps / 750 Cold Cranking Amps /
95 Reserve Capacity. Dimensions 10 1/4" x 6 3/4" x 8 1/8"
$109.99 Exide Orbital 34DC Deep Cycle Battery
http://www.optimabatteries.com/products/pdf/D34.pdf
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3031412965&category=1498
$106.95 OPTIMA YELLOW TOP DEEP CYCLE BATTERY D34 750S
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/speakersound10/opyeltopbat.html
Yellow Top Optima Model D34/78-950 12V Deep Cycle Battery
Dimensions: 10" (254 mm) L x 6.8" (172.2 mm) W x 7.8" (198.1 mm)
$179.99 Weight: 43.8lb. (17.6 kg)
The Orbital seems to be a lower price.
The size is about the same, so does this mean Orbitals
can successfully be used in all YT applications?
Do they fit and work well in Sparrow EVs?
Last time I had a chat about this it was a challenge
to get anything but YTs to fit in a Sparrow EV.
Bill said we will need some bold person to report
the performance and life data on Orbitals. It would
be good to give YTs competition.
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Yes. The math is easy. A PIC with a counter/time input and two A/D and
could do it. I would strongly suggest isolated voltage and current
sense. If you only want to be approximate, you could use the pack
nominal voltage and just use a current sense. Used LEM current sensors
show up on eBay all the time. They also offer an isolated voltage sense.
I can't tell you how to do the output, but I suspect that serial output
to a 2 row LCD is straightforward. Back issues of circuit cellar
probably have something close enough to give you an idea.
The current and voltage sensse transducers aren't cheap, but often
legitimate students can get such things for free. If you need a hand
specifying parts, I can help as can others.
Seth Allen
Seth Murray wrote:
>
> I have a feeling someone else has probably already posed this
> question/idea to the list...
>
> would it be feasible to build a meter which could show real time
> wh/mile energy use? if you put an optical or magnetic sensor on the
> drive shaft and used serial data from an Emeter (or used a separate
> shunt and voltage hookup), could you somehow run it all to a PIC or
> Atmel and drive a digital or analog display? I don't know enough yet
> about programming these things to make something like this, although
> maybe by the end of next year... thanks enough for any thoughts,
>
> Seth
>
> --
> QUESTION INTERNAL COMBUSTION
> http://users.wpi.edu/~sethm/
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Looks like the timing of this thread is just right for me. I am finally
getting ready to start playing with the li-ion batteries I got and am
trying to figure out what equipment I will need to cycle them and get
some useful measurements at the same time. Gary's been posting some
pretty good info on his site from his batteries, but it looks like he is
using some pretty expensive equipment. Since I don't have access to
anything like that, I have been trying to figure out a good way to be
able to log temperature, volts, & current to my computer without
spending thousands of dollars on expensive equipment.
Before seeing this thread, I had been eying the Fluke 189 DMM since it
seems to have everything that would be required, but it's a bit spendy.
It looks like they are going for around $200=$250 on Ebay, but the
software & cable to connect it to a computer is another $150. The
Wavetek meter seems like it does most of the same things (at least all
the features I would need) at a much lower cost, but it doesn't look
like any of these meters are capable of measuring more than one thing
(volts, amps, or temp) at a time.
I already have an E-Meter, but don't have any experience with how the
RS232 option on the E-Meter works. Could I simply use the E-Meter to
monitor & log volts & amps, and then use something else such as the
wavetek meter to log temperature at the same time? I seem to recall an
option to add a temperature probe to the e-meter. Can the temperature
from this probe be monitored & logged through the RS232 port as well?
If so, then perhaps I don't need any additional equipment at all. And
finally, what sort of software is required on the computer to monitor,
log, & make sense of the info coming from the E-Meter?
Since the E-Meter I bought has the 500V prescaler, do I need anything
different for measuring & testing single cells at 3.6V? Do I just wire
it up without the pre-scaler? Will the E-Meter even work at this low
voltage?
-Bryan Avery
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of John G. Lussmyer
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 10:26 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: RS-232 DMM
>
> I recently bought a DMM w/RS-232 for $50 (hmm, think it was on sale
for
> $40
> when I bought it.) from MPJA.Com
> http://www.mpja.com/directview.asp?product=14311+TE
> Seems to work ok, but I haven't played with the RS-232 capabilities
yet.
>
> At 08:40 AM 6/29/2003 -0700, David Chapman wrote:
>
> >Just found a Wavetek 38 XR at the local Frys that has the RS-232
cable,
> >Windows compatable software and a thermocouple attachment for right
> around
> >$
> >150.00
> >Seems like a pretty nice unit and a decent price, anyone use one of
these
> >or
> >had any experiance with Wavetec? I might have to change my mind about
> >building a dumb BC for this kind of money upgrade. Would be really
useful
> >if
> >you could use the thermocouple feature while recording Volts and
Amps.
> DC.
>
> --
> John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
> http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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Lee Hart wrote:
> But, there are two ways to damp the meter.
[snip details]
Thanks Lee. I guess this is a consequence of buying a cheap panel
meter.
The other thought that occurs to me is that I could mark up the face of
the old meter with the correct numbers and put it back in (although I
would need to mount it upright instead of flat so that it can return to zero
properly, and that would take some work since it's mounted in the shelf
under the rear window).
--
Lesley Walker, Wellington, New Zealand
LRW at clear.net.nz
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/460.html
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/lrw
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Take it apart. I think it just uses 12V 20Ah SLA batteries. I'm modifing
my Neuton-like mower to get rid of the 9Ah batteries and replace them with
17Ah batteries.
> Hi,
>
> The batteries on my Black and Decker electric mower are finally giving
> out. Anybody have a suggestion on best replacement batteries?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cliff
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1sclunn wrote:
> I just got 20 Exide Orbital orb34-36 Marine deep cycle batteries form my
> local batteries store. They don't sell YT's but These look just like
> them.
I'll be very interested to hear how these work out, because I believe I
can get these Orbitals much more easily than Optimas - Exide is pretty
much the only brand readily available in New Zealand.
--
Lesley Walker, Wellington, New Zealand
LRW at clear.net.nz
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/460.html
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/lrw
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John Wayland wrote:
> It's too bad I don't work for Exide in their marketing department...I would have
> dissed
> the unnecessarily bulky top lid piece to make the overall battery package smaller
> than a
> YT, and for gods sake, with such a cool name for a battery as 'Purple Haze', and
> trying to
> compete with the wildly cool looking bright yellow Optimas in the fun world of
> hydraulic
> cars and stereo cars, and knowing that Exide already has Orbital versions with red
> and
> blue tops,
> I would have at least cast the battery top in purple (it only has a
> purple side label on the otherwise bland looking battery).
>
> See Ya......John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
Hey John,
Plasma boy!!
Can you supply ONE of these units for abuse testing. The results will be
published on the Manzanita Micro Website for all of us to view.
We need a drag race pull down, Then Amphours and cycle data.
I am under the impression that some of the lighter full sized batteries
have a amp and simplicity advantage over the Hawkers and SVRs. Less
interconnects, and they pack a 1100 amp punch. This is a darn good
number, Now if we can get 1200 amps in a 25 lbs package. Full Raptor
power for 15 seconds, and now extra weight.
Basicly we need to find and let the world know what and where this
battery shines.
--
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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WAY TO GO SHAWN LAWLESS and ORANGE JUICE Dennis Kilowatt Berube
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After another year of school, summer is here again, and that means I
can get back to the ev list and working on Project Electric GTI.
I'm sure some people remember me, but I'll reintroduce myself for
anyone new. My name is Nathaniel Martin. I'm a fourth year electrical
engineering student at California Polytechnic State University in San
Luis Obispo, CA. I'm living in San Francisco for the summer. Back in
high school my dad and I built an electric 1976 Rabbit based mainly on
the voltsrabbit kits, but with 8 volt batteries instead of 6 volt
batteries to increase the voltage to 128V. I sold the rabbit last June,
and I think the new owner is on this list.
Last winter I got a 1983 VW GTI with a body in very good shape, and I
made it my next project to convert it to electric. I spent most of last
summer collecting parts and cleaning and stripping the car. Right now,
the engine and fuels system is totally removed, the interior is
removed, and the back suspension has been replaced with heavier duty
springs and shocks. Next week we're going to tow it to a local garage
to get the brakes fixed, the front axles replaced, and the front
suspension replaced with heavier duty springs and shocks.
I already have the motor for the car, an ADC 9". I'm planning on using
optima batteries, either normal ones or group 31. (Are the group 31
batteries finally available?) I'm putting in 16 batteries for now, for
a total of 192 volts. I might upgrade to 20 batteries at a later time,
to bring that up to 240V. I want to use a Zilla Z1K controller. The car
should have some good power, and decent range.
My dad is going to help me build the car, but I'm doing the design, and
most of the work. Our goal is to finish this car by woodburn, so that
we can bring it there and race it this year.
We think we can achieve this goal, but we're going to need some help.
If anyone in the SF bay area is interested in helping out with this
project, please email me or call me. My home phone number is
(415)337-7408, and my cell phone number is (805)801-0238.
We need general help with building the car, but we also need some
specific help, such as help with designing the battery racks, and help
with prepping the motor for high power use.
I'm glad to be back on the list, and I'm going to try to catch up on
what's been happening over the past year. I've got 9000 messages saved
in my EV list folder now, and I think I'll read over the past week to
see what's been going on. I'm looking forward to reading about
everyone's new projects, and the new stories and adventures that always
occur on this list.
I'm baaaacccccckkkk!
-Nathaniel Martin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(415)337-7408
(805)801-0238
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