EV Digest 3343
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) EVLN(Honolulu hybrid-electric buses & Kapolei EV charging station)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Oxygen and oil
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Oxygen and oil
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Oxygen and oil
by Lonnie Borntreger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) NBEAA meeting (February 14, 2004, 10am-12noon, Senkowsky) announcement
by "Chuck Hursch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: ampabout - new batts
by Danny Ames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: EV Mode Programming is ALIVE & WELL in US Prius! RE: to the 2004
list.
by Danny Ames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: MSN EV story
by Brad Waddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Sparrow reborn
by Brad Waddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: who got MAPC/Solectria/eMotion parts
by Evan Tuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: death of a DCP raptor
by Seth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) motor terminals
by David Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: race video
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: EV digest 3007
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: death of a DCP raptor
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: MSN EV story
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Sparrow docs
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Orange Wiring
by "T Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) RE: Sparrow docs
by David Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Sparrow reborn
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Sparrow docs
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: death of a DCP raptor, ?'s an' comments
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) RE: race video
by "James Jarrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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EVLN(Honolulu hybrid-electric buses & Kapolei EV charging
station)
[The Internet Electric Vehicle List News. For Public EV
informational purposes. Contact publication for reprint
rights.]
--- {EVangel}
http://www.thehawaiichannel.com/news/2804713/detail.html State
of
the City Address Text
POSTED: 5:00 PM HST January 29, 2004 UPDATED: 10:25 PM HST
January 29, 2004
Distinguished guests, fellow citizens of the City and County of
Honolulu, aloha and welcome.
[...]
To make our island truly sustainable, we need to reduce the
demand for fossil fuels for both transportation and electrical
energy.
[...]
This year we'll take another significant step in reducing our
dependence on fossil fuels with the introduction of ten new
hybrid-electric buses. Our goal is a state-of-the-art transit
system that will one day run entirely on renewable energy.
The city this year is also setting up a pilot program to install
custom streetlights powered completely with miniature wind
turbines and photovoltaic panels. This will allow us to tap the
renewable power of the sun and wind. And we'll expand the
capacity of our refuse-derived fuel power plant at H-Power to
produce an additional 8 million watts of electricity each day
from our garbage.
One of the city's most exciting energy initiatives this year is
the establishment of a hydrogen power park at Kapolei. The power
park will feature a hydrogen generator and an array of
photovoltaic panels that will provide electricity and air
conditioning for Kapolei Hale. It will have an electric vehicle
charging station and a hydrogen fueling station for vehicles
powered by fuel cells.
[...]
Upgrading our basic infrastructure to protect our environment
has
been a top priority over the past ten years.
[...]
Thank you, and God bless you and God bless the City.
� 2004, Internet Broadcasting Systems, Inc.
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260,000 cubic yards. DC.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: Oxygen and oil
> How much manure were you stockpiling?
>
> Joe Smalley
> Rural Kitsap County WA
> Fiesta 48 volts
> NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Oxygen and oil
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 5:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: Oxygen and oil
> >
> >
> > > A pile of oily rags can spontaneousely combust. I saw a haystack stat
> to
> > > glow the go up in flames too. tom
> >
> > Too easy. I am kinda well known even now with the area fire fighters
from
> > when my manure pile went up. Took all day to put out and I still had hot
> > spots weeks later. David Chapman.
> >
>
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WOW. One acre piled 161 feet deep or ten acres piled 16 feet deep.
If I were a fire fighter, I would remember it too.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: Oxygen and oil
> 260,000 cubic yards. DC.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 9:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Oxygen and oil
>
>
> > How much manure were you stockpiling?
> >
> > Joe Smalley
> > Rural Kitsap County WA
> > Fiesta 48 volts
> > NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 8:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: Oxygen and oil
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 5:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Oxygen and oil
> > >
> > >
> > > > A pile of oily rags can spontaneousely combust. I saw a haystack
stat
> > to
> > > > glow the go up in flames too. tom
> > >
> > > Too easy. I am kinda well known even now with the area fire fighters
> from
> > > when my manure pile went up. Took all day to put out and I still had
hot
> > > spots weeks later. David Chapman.
> > >
> >
>
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Holy s**t!! (sorry, couldn't resist) :-D
But seriously, that's a s**tload (oops, there I go again) of manure.
Exactly what were your plans for it? And better yet, what was your
source?
That takes a LOT of cattle (or time) to "stockpile" (get it... stock ...
pile ... it's a farmer joke. ok, I'm done).
Lonnie Borntreger
On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 23:01, David Chapman wrote:
> 260,000 cubic yards. DC.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 9:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Oxygen and oil
>
>
> > How much manure were you stockpiling?
> >
> > Joe Smalley
> > Rural Kitsap County WA
> > Fiesta 48 volts
> > NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 8:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: Oxygen and oil
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 5:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Oxygen and oil
> > >
> > >
> > > > A pile of oily rags can spontaneousely combust. I saw a haystack stat
> > to
> > > > glow the go up in flames too. tom
> > >
> > > Too easy. I am kinda well known even now with the area fire fighters
> from
> > > when my manure pile went up. Took all day to put out and I still had hot
> > > spots weeks later. David Chapman.
> > >
> >
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The February meeting of the North Bay Chapter of the
Electric Auto Association will be held on Saturday
February 14th from 10am - 12 noon at the beautiful
Konocti Harbor Resort and Spa ("Pow Wow" room),
8727 Soda Bay Road, Kelseyville, CA 95451.
Our featured speaker will be Peter Senkowsky, and we also
hope to hear from Ron Huch, both of Phoenix Environmental Motors.
Peter will be bringing to the meeting some of the
newly-engineered Sparrow three-wheeler EVs which have
recently "risen-from-the-ashes". He will also talk about
the "moving" adventure of the entire Sparrow factory and
of course about the projected new generation of this little
single-seater electric hot rod!
Peter will also be sharing new documentation of the
Voltaire EV project in Spain and will describe his recent
adventure at the Bibendum Challenge at Infinion Raceway in
Sonoma and his new findings with the new magic EV battery LiIon.
Location:
The "Pow Wow" room, Konocti Harbor Resort and Spa,
8727 Soda Bay Road, Kelseyville, CA 95451
Date: 14th February from 10am-12 noon
Contacts: Peter Senkowsky
Phone: (707) 350 0156
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Konocti Harbor Resort and Spa
Phone: (800) 660 LAKE
Driving directions:
See: http://www.konoctiharbor.com/area-travel/
From the Sacramento area:
Take Interstate 5 North & Continue for 58.6 miles.
Take the CA-20 Exit towards Clear Lake/Colusa.
Turn Left on to CA-20 & Continue for 37.4 miles.
Turn Left onto CA-53 & Continue for 7.44 miles.
Turn Right onto CA-29 in Lower Lake (Tower Mart Store
on right) & Continue for 7.56 miles.
Turn Right onto Soda Bay Road/CA-281 (Kits Corner
Store on right) & Continue for 4.61 miles,
following the curving road, until you see the
Main Entrance of Konocti Harbor Resort & Spa.
Turn Right into the Resort.
From the Santa Rosa area:
Take Highway 101 North from the Bay Area to North Santa
Rosa.
Take the River Rd/Guerneville Exit.
Turn Right onto Mark West Springs Rd, Mark West Springs Rd
becomes
Porter Creek Rd & Continue for 10.5 miles until it ends at
a
Red Flashing Light & Stop Sign.
Turn Left onto Petrified Forrest Rd towards Calistoga &
continue
for 4.66 miles until it ends at a Stop Sign.
Turn Left onto Foothill Blvd/CA-128 & Continue for .8
miles.
Turn Right onto Tubbs Lane & Continue for 1.32 miles going
past
the Old Faithful Geyser until it ends at a Stop Sign.
Turn Left onto Highway CA-29 & Continue for 27.93 miles
going over
Mt. Saint Helena and continuing through Middletown to the
stoplight
in Lower Lake.
Turn Left onto CA-29 at Lower Lake (Shell Station on left)
&
continue for 7.56 miles.
Turn Right onto Soda Bay Road/CA-281 (Kits Corner Store on
right) &
continue for 4.61 miles, following the curving road, until
you see
the Main Entrance of Konocti Harbor Resort & Spa.
Turn Right into the Resort.
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Bruce,
So how are your over one year batteries holding out ?
Thanks,
Danny
Bruce EVangel Parmenter wrote:
>
> I had a pretty good day. I banged out all the work,
> with a little time to spare after lunch.
>
> I used the time to call Trojan, Exide, and USBattery.
>
> I already knew US Battery had the best deal in town,
> but it is wise to get a reality check of what is
> offered.
>
> I called the Exide branch in Hayward and got an
> answering machine.
>
> I called Trojan, and the only posts they offer on
> T-105, 125, and 145 are automotive lug or their low
> profile (the RV style vertical screw).
>
> That sucks. I changed my cables around to use the
> S type universal POSTs Trojan had offered as standard
> for years. Now they change, and will not offer S posts.
>
> They said, those batteries are mainly sold for golf
> cart use. The rep assured me the wind nut lug would handle
> 300 amps (sorry, I do not think so. 100 maybe).
>
> For an order of 22 T-145s they offered $127.95 each.
> Availability was a one month wait.
>
> I called Exide again. The answering machine again.
>
> I called US battery, and talked to my local rep,
> Jim Ramos. Us Battery still offers the S post (
> a half round post with a horizontal hole through
> it).
>
> He threw in a discount for the warranty left on my
> pack. I ordered 22 US-145s at $60 each, delivery
> free, availability three weeks, and Jim is very
> understanding about coming back a few weeks later
> to pick up the dead cores.
>
> This takes a load off my shoulders, as I want to
> have a broken in pack before this company moves
> 15 miles north to Burlingame.
>
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That's great Lawrence.
Thanks for trying this out on your baby first.
Take your time and good luck,
Danny
Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>
> This seems like a first step to a gridable Prius. Congrats. Hope things go
> well with your experiment. Lawrence Rhodes.....
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 23:20:18 -0000
> From: "mwbueno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: EV Mode Programming is ALIVE & WELL in US Prius!
>
> Folks,
>
> With the help of a very good friend in Europe (I'll share his name
> when he says OK to do so), I have managed to hook up an EV Button in
> my '04 and it works!!! Yeah!!!
>
> HOOKING IT UP IS SCARY!!!
> First, I am not going to publish how to do this until I know for
> certain that nothing is getting hurt as the tie in is quite tricky
> and involves a small modification to the HV ECU (The Mother
> Computer) and I don't want to have a bunch of us killing our cars!
>
> I promise to keep everyone up to date on testing and pros, cons, amp
> usage, mileage & etc. I don't have a British Operator's Manual so I
> am not even certain what it is supposed to be doing yet.
>
> I can tell you that if the car is stopped and the ICE is running, if
> I push the button, the ICE stops immediately and I am allowed to
> drive in EV mode up to about 30 MPH then it starts with three little
> chirps from somewhere under the dash.
>
> It does seem to allow a fairly healthy amount of amps in EV Mode
> before the override chirps go off and the ICE starts up to
> compensate. I will hook up my instrumentation and check all of
> these things out in more detail over the next few days.
>
> Well, I thought this may not be possible and I am very glad that I
> am wrong!!!!
>
> IF I DON'T HURT ANYTHING - I PROMISE TO SHARE
> If after a little while I can determine it is not hurting us, I will
> post instructions & pictures & etc. I promise to be prompt.
>
> Regards,
> Wayne
>
> I have only tested it for 10 minutes, so I don't know all the
> particualrs yet.
Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>
> This seems like a first step to a gridable Prius. Congrats. Hope things go
> well with your experiment. Lawrence Rhodes.....
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 23:20:18 -0000
> From: "mwbueno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: EV Mode Programming is ALIVE & WELL in US Prius!
>
> Folks,
>
> With the help of a very good friend in Europe (I'll share his name
> when he says OK to do so), I have managed to hook up an EV Button in
> my '04 and it works!!! Yeah!!!
>
> HOOKING IT UP IS SCARY!!!
> First, I am not going to publish how to do this until I know for
> certain that nothing is getting hurt as the tie in is quite tricky
> and involves a small modification to the HV ECU (The Mother
> Computer) and I don't want to have a bunch of us killing our cars!
>
> I promise to keep everyone up to date on testing and pros, cons, amp
> usage, mileage & etc. I don't have a British Operator's Manual so I
> am not even certain what it is supposed to be doing yet.
>
> I can tell you that if the car is stopped and the ICE is running, if
> I push the button, the ICE stops immediately and I am allowed to
> drive in EV mode up to about 30 MPH then it starts with three little
> chirps from somewhere under the dash.
>
> It does seem to allow a fairly healthy amount of amps in EV Mode
> before the override chirps go off and the ICE starts up to
> compensate. I will hook up my instrumentation and check all of
> these things out in more detail over the next few days.
>
> Well, I thought this may not be possible and I am very glad that I
> am wrong!!!!
>
> IF I DON'T HURT ANYTHING - I PROMISE TO SHARE
> If after a little while I can determine it is not hurting us, I will
> post instructions & pictures & etc. I promise to be prompt.
>
> Regards,
> Wayne
>
> I have only tested it for 10 minutes, so I don't know all the
> particualrs yet.
Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>
> This seems like a first step to a gridable Prius. Congrats. Hope things go
> well with your experiment. Lawrence Rhodes.....
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 23:20:18 -0000
> From: "mwbueno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: EV Mode Programming is ALIVE & WELL in US Prius!
>
> Folks,
>
> With the help of a very good friend in Europe (I'll share his name
> when he says OK to do so), I have managed to hook up an EV Button in
> my '04 and it works!!! Yeah!!!
>
> HOOKING IT UP IS SCARY!!!
> First, I am not going to publish how to do this until I know for
> certain that nothing is getting hurt as the tie in is quite tricky
> and involves a small modification to the HV ECU (The Mother
> Computer) and I don't want to have a bunch of us killing our cars!
>
> I promise to keep everyone up to date on testing and pros, cons, amp
> usage, mileage & etc. I don't have a British Operator's Manual so I
> am not even certain what it is supposed to be doing yet.
>
> I can tell you that if the car is stopped and the ICE is running, if
> I push the button, the ICE stops immediately and I am allowed to
> drive in EV mode up to about 30 MPH then it starts with three little
> chirps from somewhere under the dash.
>
> It does seem to allow a fairly healthy amount of amps in EV Mode
> before the override chirps go off and the ICE starts up to
> compensate. I will hook up my instrumentation and check all of
> these things out in more detail over the next few days.
>
> Well, I thought this may not be possible and I am very glad that I
> am wrong!!!!
>
> IF I DON'T HURT ANYTHING - I PROMISE TO SHARE
> If after a little while I can determine it is not hurting us, I will
> post instructions & pictures & etc. I promise to be prompt.
>
> Regards,
> Wayne
>
> I have only tested it for 10 minutes, so I don't know all the
> particualrs yet.
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At 01:41 PM 02/08/2004 -0800, you wrote:
Re: MSN EV story
The web page layout and pics were nice, but ...
IMHO: the piece was foremost ICE'y and fuelish.
The small nEV portion was at the end and as usual MSN writers
are focused on finding something wrong with them.
I don't agree that it was biased. Not everyone is interested in owning the
best car or the correct car for a situation, or even the best car for the
earth. Many just want the car that makes their life simple. How many female
EV drivers do you know? I know only one and she's a battery engineer, and
she will go back to being a non-EV owner in April when Ford takes the Think
back. A full EV is pretty much only simple if you have a dealer network in
place and AAA can bring you buckets of electricity for an emergency refill.
Barring that, plug-in hybrids, in my mind, remain the best hope of mass
acceptance of electric drive in the next few years. Look at the praise and
publicity for the Prius, and the upcoming Lexus 400h which I predict will
be huge - people are already signing up to buy it in 8 months. This will
cause other makers to target this space with bigger batteries and longer
ICE off time, as Subaru has already shown. Toyota has just opened up a
brand new big sales space for cars, when was the last time that happened?
Other makes will jump in to take advantage of it.
brad
Lexus Introduces RX 400h, World's First Luxury Hybrid SUV
DETROIT, Jan. 6 /PRNewswire/ -- Lexus introduced what will be the
world's first luxury gas-electric hybrid SUV today at a press
conference at the North American International Auto Show. The RX
400h will be powered by a V6 Hybrid Synergy Drive system that
combines sub-eight second zero-to-sixty acceleration with
fuel-efficiency equivalent to the current average for a
four-cylinder compact sedan. The RX 400h will also be rated
Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (SULEV), one of the most
stringent emissions rating in the industry.
"The new RX 400h re-defines the midsize luxury SUV market while
raising awareness and acceptance of hybrid gas-electric vehicles
among luxury car and SUV buyers," said Denny Clements, Lexus
group vice president and general manager. "This is truly a
breakthrough in terms of hybrid gas-electric powertrains
because,
for the first time, it adds a new performance dimension to the
traditional hybrid advantages of high mileage and low
emissions."
Lexus created the car-based, luxury SUV segment with the launch
of the innovative RX 300 more than five years ago. For 2004,
Lexus made significant enhancements to the luxury content,
performance and safety features with the introduction of the RX
330, making this vehicle the perfect match for the new V6 hybrid
system.
The new RX 400h will become the premium model in the RX series,
offering smoother and quieter operation, increased performance,
significantly better fuel economy and a host of high technology,
safety and comfort features.
Vehicle Dynamic Management
The RX 400h will introduce another industry first called VDM, or
Vehicle Dynamic Management. Monitoring a variety of sensors,
the
system is designed to anticipate the onset of a vehicle skid or
slide and then helps correct the situation with a combination of
braking and throttle control. The new VDM system is less
obtrusive than conventional VSC but ultimately more effective.
More Powerful, Advanced Drivetrain
The 400h hybrid powertrain combines a powerful electric motor
with the highly efficient 3.3-liter V6 engine found in the RX
330
to significantly improve low to mid-speed acceleration and
overall fuel efficiency. The system is a "full hybrid," meaning
that the RX 400h is capable of operating in separate gas or
electric modes, as well as a mode that combines power from both.
The RX 400h will develop a peak system output of approximately
270 horsepower and deliver combined fuel economy significantly
better than the current average compact sedan rating of 27.6
miles-per-gallon. Zero-to-sixty acceleration will also improve
over the current RX 330's sub-8 second time. The RX 400h with
optional all-wheel-drive, which features a rear-drive electric
motor, will accelerate quicker yet.
The RX 400h uses a regenerative braking system to further boost
system efficiency. When the vehicle is coasting or the brakes
are applied, the electric motor functions as a generator,
capturing kinetic energy that would normally be lost as heat
through the brakes and converting it into useable electricity to
recharge the batteries.
One of the most remarkable features of the RX 400h is how
similar
this SUV is to its cousin, the RX 330. The computer-controlled
powertrain seamlessly blends power from the V6 gasoline engine,
the electric drive motor and the generator. The driver does not
feel the vehicle changing operational modes. In fact, the only
give-a-way is the absence of the traditional tachometer. In its
place, the RX 400h has an illuminated power meter that displays
the level of power generated by the gas-electric hybrid
powertrain. The driver will also be able to monitor the
gas-electric power distribution on the available seven-inch
touch
panel display screen that comes with the navigation system.
Luxury and Convenience Features
Lexus craftsmanship and attention to even the smallest details
continue with the RX 400h. Nearly every feature available in
the
RX 330 is found in the RX 400h, with the exception of an
exclusive RX 400h use of brushed aluminum accents inside that
convey a high-tech look and feel to match its capabilities. The
three-spoke steering wheel features easy-to-use controls for the
audio system as well as the hybrid system's on-board computer
monitor located in the center instrument panel.
"We believe the RX 400h will exceed the expectations of luxury
vehicle buyers and establish a premium market for
performance-oriented, fuel-efficient gas-electric hybrids," said
Clements. "
Preliminary Specifications
Powertrain: Engine - 3.3 liter V6
Electric motor(s) - Permanent magnet
Estimated total horsepower - 270
Expected EPA emissions rating - Super Ultra Low Emission
Vehicle (SULEV)
Transmission - Electronically-controlled Continuously
Variable Transmission (ECVT)
Wheelbase: 106.9 in.
Length: 186.6 in.
Width: 72.6 in.
Height: 66.1 in.
SOURCE Lexus CO: Lexus ST: California, Michigan SU: PDT TDS
http://www.prnewswire.com 01/06/2004 09:00 EST
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Here is the web site for the new sparrow company - more EV's on the road!
http://www.phoenixenvironmentalmotors.com/Sparrow%20Home%20Page.htm
Brad Waddell ** FLEXquarters.com LLC ** voice-mail/fax: 602-532-7019
Postal: 6965 El Camino Real Ste 105 #488 Carlsbad CA 92009 USA
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Well, did anyone end up with a Smart rolling chassis that they don't
particularly need? Just interested :)
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I might make a few suggestions...
Add film caps (I don't remember seeing any), better connection from
the DC bus electrolytic capacitors to the power silicon array as a
start. A current sensor on the motor loop so you know what you are
doing when you drive.
Seth
On Feb 9, 2004, at 12:59 AM, Ben Apollonio wrote:
My sympathies to Jim!
So my understanding from recent posts is that DCP controllers, while
excellent, all things considered, are still somewhat fragile, and that
since they're no longer supported, breaking one would be a painful
experience. This does have me a bit concerned, since I have a T-Rex
1000 that's yet to be installed. I actually got it from Jim himself.
I have yet to install it, but hearing about exploding Raptors is
making me a bit nervous, since it was my understanding that they're
the rugged ones. It's not that I'm expecting the T-Rex was abused,
just that I don't want to be too hard on it.
What's necessary to ensure that my T-Rex doesn't meet the same fate?
I think someone mentioned keeping them dry. Going easy on them sounds
like a common suggestion too, but I gather Jim was only drawing 600A
on his Raptor 1200? Or was that battery side?
I'm actually already afraid to let loose with my T-Rex at 1000A as it
is, lest I break my poor Porsche 914's cute little transmission, but
how much current is safe for the controller? If I'm running 192V
(possibly 240V), where should I be drawing the line? To make matters
worse I do live in a rather hilly area, though I don't expect to be
facing any quite like the one that killed Jim's Raptor, plus my car
shouldn't weigh much more than 3000lbs.
"Get a Zilla" is a nice idea (they are gorgeous!), but I'm trying hard
to keep the cost down. Of course, what better way to drive up the
cost than to let the smoke out of a controller? Hence I don't want it
to come to that.
Thanks for your input
-Ben
Seth Allen
AKA "the cynic"
" the other Seth"
"I lost on eBay too"
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Hi, all. I inquired about the type of motor (i.e. PM, series, shunt, etc.)
for item 10-1809 at surpluscenter.com. Here is their response:
"Mr. Brandt,
I apologize for our lack of information about these motors but they are from
an old military surplus lot so we don't have any information about them.
I believe that this motor is series wound type. It has three terminals; two
on the brush end, one in the mid-section of the gearmotor. The motor has a
small number of windings of thick wire which are connected in series with
the brushes. It looks like we have this motor mis-advertised because I was
only able to make it run in a clockwise direction. With three terminals it
will not be reversible."
>From the winding description, it sure sounds like a series. I figured this
would be good in a mower or go-kart or something. They have since changed
the item description to reflect that it is series wound.
But the big question is: What's the third terminal for???
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>
> I'm willing to make the DVD's but no one has contacted me to send me
pictures
> and copies (or original) video tapes to make into the dvd.
>
> I'm ready to go..
>
> James
Well it doesn't sound like your being flooded with video tape. ;-( .
"I will send you the whole cassette then."
Seth
Am I'm the only one interested in the EV video thing ? This is a good way
to spread the ev word. I have sold 2 ev's to people
who saw my "convert your gas Brunner to electric" video. When I'm out
driving around and people stop and ask me about my ev car/truck , after my
ev
speech, I can offer my "how to video" and make a few dollars. To have a 2
hour ( or what ever a disk can hold) ev video playable on dvd with the drag
races and other ev info would be a great way to spread the ev word. But I
have a feeling James is going to end up with 10 minutes of video if we are
lucky. Could the Descovery channel program be coped and used ? James if you
like I'll send you the unedited 8mm video tape of me converting the 959
Porsche or the Mazda 2 pickup and $50 for 10 dvd's ( which I will
shamelessly sell for $10 each) .
Steve Clunn
PS
I'll even send one to Lee for free, just to get things rolling. :-) .
,
On Feb 7, 2004, at 11:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Yeah,
>
> I'm willing to make the DVD's but no one has contacted me to send me
> pictures
> and copies (or original) video tapes to make into the dvd.
>
> I'm ready to go..
>
> James
>
> Quoting 1sclunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> I haven't heard anything more about a video of the drag races. I
>> believe
>> James Jarrett said he would edit and put them on a dvd and sell them
>> for
>> $5
>> ( want a deal!!!) I have down loaded a few but with my setup this is
>> slow
>> and I want to show them to others ( who don't want to wait 30 miniuts
>> to
>> is
>> 14 seconds ) .
>>
>> Steve Clunn the one with the slow computer
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Seth Allen
AKA "the cynic"
" the other Seth"
"I lost on eBay too"
> Quoting 1sclunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > I haven't heard anything more about a video of the drag races. I
> > believe
> > James Jarrett said he would edit and put them on a dvd and sell them for
> > $5
> > ( want a deal!!!) I have down loaded a few but with my setup this is
> > slow
> > and I want to show them to others ( who don't want to wait 30 miniuts to
> > is
> > 14 seconds ) .
> >
> > Steve Clunn the one with the slow computer
> >
> >
> >
>
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Lee Hart wrote:
>> Brush advance has very little effect on efficiency. You adjust it to
>> minimize arcing.
Peter VanDerWal wrote:
> Are you sure? I haven't tied this on seres wound motors, but I have
> with PM motors. On PM motors, brush advance effects efficiency, RPM,
> current, torque, etc. This is at voltage below arcing voltage though.
I didn't say "no" effect :-) But brush advance has very little effect
on efficiency at the small advance angles normally used to control
arcing (5-10 degrees).
Large changes in brush advance have a progressively larger effect on the
torque-speed curves and efficiency.
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Would a ultra fast fuse on the *motor* side do any good? Such fuses are
spendy but cheap compared to a controller. Although if I follow Rich's
explanation of the diode shorting out, then the fault current would all
be within the controller itself so external fuse wouldn't do anything?
Where would film caps go? Parallel with the 'lytics?
Does "current sensor" mean just a shunt and meter in the motor loops so
the driver can keep an eye on things, or some sort of sensor circuitry
that will actively do something about what is happening?
Or maybe turn the "fun screw" (current adjust knob) down a bit and keep
it there?
- Jim
who will feel really guilty if Ben doesn't get some good use out of that
T-Rex.
Seth wrote:
> I might make a few suggestions...
>
> Add film caps (I don't remember seeing any), better connection from
> the DC bus electrolytic capacitors to the power silicon array as a
> start. A current sensor on the motor loop so you know what you are
> doing when you drive.
_________
Jim Coate
1992 Chevy S-10
1970s Elec-Trak E20
http://www.eeevee.com
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There's Gail from Las Vegas (?) with her collection of CitiCars. Then
wasn't there a "sexiest geek alive" winner or some title like that who
amongst other things drove an EV?
Female EVers are a minority within the much larger minority of EVs, but
they do exist.
Brad Waddell wrote:
> How many female EV drivers do you know? I know only one and she's a
> battery engineer, and she will go back to being a non-EV owner in
> April when Ford takes the Think back.
_________
Jim Coate
1992 Chevy S-10
1970s Elec-Trak E20
http://www.eeevee.com
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Was looking at the Sparrow docs this morning because it's probably the
closest thing in "production" to my Prizm.
According to the manual, it says don't drive the car if the pack is
below 135 volts at rest, or 110 volts under load. Given that the car has
13 sealed 12 volt batteries this is saying that the floor voltages are
10.3 volts per battery at rest, or 8.4 volts per battery under load.
Also says that at 32 degrees F, the pack will have 90% capacity.
Where did they get these sorts of numbers?
On the same line of thought, is it possible to damage a battery by *not*
exercising it? I'm wondering if perhaps I have been too gentle with my
pack...
Chris
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I hate to "beat a dead horse"......
But, Dave has posted a good article about the reasons why we
should all be using Orange Wiring, or Orange Looms on our HV
circuitry. The emergency personnel are being trained to stay away
from Orange.
www.megawattmotorworks.com
EV Suppliers, listening?
Stay Charged!
Hump
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> On the same line of thought, is it possible to damage a
> battery by *not* exercising it? I'm wondering if perhaps I
> have been too gentle with my pack...
>
> Chris
Nothing permanent happens (as long as they are fully charged after the light
cycles or while stored), they just get a bit "lazy" and have to be exercised
a few cycles in order to fully "wake up" to their full capacity.
Your hawkers may like to have a high current discharge-charge cycle every
now and then, but that seems particular to them.
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On 9 Feb 2004 at 1:15, Brad Waddell wrote:
> Here is the web site for the new sparrow company - more EV's on the road!
>
> http://www.phoenixenvironmentalmotors.com/Sparrow%20Home%20Page.htm
>
At least they are planning to offer a different motor. If they choose it
well, an AC system is a quick way to solve the ADC motor problems they had
in the earlier versions of the car.
I read the home page for Phoenix, though, and what I saw there doesn't give
me a whole lot of confidence for the future of this operation. Not sure I
can explain why, it's just a notion. Keep your fingers crossed.
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On 9 Feb 2004 at 9:45, Christopher Zach wrote:
> Where did they get these sorts of numbers?
>From somewhere that you can't see any daylight. Now I understand why pack
life was such a problem with Sparrows.
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Hello to All,
Just have to add my highly technical comments to this:
Roland Wiench wrote:
> Hello Rich,
>
> I had ment' to say Zilla, my mind went blank there for a moment. The picture
> on the Zilla controllers is a T-Rex Dinosaur.
No, it's not a T-Rex Dinosaur. Roland, not a fan of Sci Fi? Catch a clue....as in
'Zilla...as in Godzilla...as in the fictional Japanese monster....as in 'Godzilla vs
Mothra ( a giant moth monster)!
As the creator of both names for both of these controllers, take note....
(1)
I named Oat's incredibly powerful controller line 'Godzilla', after a wild ride in
White
Zombie with the none other than the Luke Skywalker clone, the free spirit of Palo Alto,
Mr. Ebenhosersluzenhouser at the wheel! Oat had just scared the crap out of me, when he
nailed the throttle of my quick EV in the middle of Glisan Street (traffic all around
us)
and his mighty new controller (painted an ugly brick red-brown) had sent huge amps to
the
electric motor under the hood. The car did a 180 with smoke peeling off the rear tires
as
all the blood drained from my face and my sphincters tightened....around us, horrified
commuters had steered clear of us as we could see their looks of shock and disgust
through
our smokey haze. I proclaimed, "That's not a controller under the hood, it's a
monster!!...it's....it's...Godzilla!!! Right then and there, Oat's stupid idea to call
his
insanely powerful controller 'The Brick' vanished, and the name of Godzilla was born
(uh,
well....borrowed).
Subsequent to that day, my assignment was to research the true color of Godzilla, so
Cheryl and I cruised all the local comic book joints and collected as many Godzilla
rags
as possible, opening their wonderfully illustrated pages and comparing the varying
shades
of green-to-blue green color of Godzilla's frame. We chose the color for the Godzilla
line
of controllers, showed it to Oat, then had the first generation controllers powder
coated
right here in Portland. Oat was a bit concerned over using the full Godzilla name, so
it
was eventually shortened to Zilla.
(2)
When DCP's Damon Crocket and I were scheming together over his new high voltage
version of
the Raptor (named by Rod Wilde), a controller that was to be first installed along with
the first prototypes of the Optima group 31's in my 192V Datsun minitruck 'Baby Blue',
I
beat Rod to the punch in the 'name that controller' game, and suggested 'T-Rex' as a
worthy prehistoric beast to battle Godzilla. At the time, there was a healthy, but
respectful controller war between Damon and Oat.
The T-Rex's were not super reliable and often fried when high voltage and high current
were applied at the same time. Damon did his best to support and repair the flood of
T-Rexes coming back to him, that against the Godzilla, were no match. He eventually
shut
down production of the T-Rex and just made the up-to-156V Raptors in 450, 600, and 1200
amp versions.
Interesting personal notes...
My early version Raptor 1200, one that the Madman had a lot to do with, has been
flawless
in Blue Meanie, for something like 5 years now. It cranks out incredible power and is a
wonderful controller. That said, it's soon to be replaced when I finally get back to
the
Blue Meanie upgrade soon, with Oat's compact Z 1K Zilla, as the Raptor cant go much
higher
than 156V, and at 204V, the Zilla is the answer.
The first-out-the-door T-Rex is still going strong under the hood of Baby Blue, now
owned
by my friend John Tuss here in Portland. It gets driven nearly every day, and the
controller has never given any problems. Note though, that it's only been subjected to
192V, nothing higher, and, with John's relaxed driving style, usually never gets
called on
to deliver anything more than 300 amps or so.
Godzilla #3 is still performing well, and other than a recent tune up, has never, ever,
failed....ever! I'd like to say that his controller has been tortured under Plasma Boy
duty, but the truth is, everything 'behind' the controller has been
tortured...snapped-off
transmission input shafts, mangled drivelines, smoked clutches, twisted-off axles,
vaporized rear end gears, blown batteries, melted cables, welded contactors, melted
motors....I could go on, but through it all at 1400 amps and up to 336V, the controller
has been the one thing I can't seem to break!
See Ya......John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
>
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I have no problem with that. I can produce DVD's and VCD's and web
streamable media files if you want.
James
James F. Jarrett
Information Systems Associate
Charlotte Country Day School
(704)943-4562
http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/~jarrett
http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/~jarrett/EV
The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries, is not Eureka! (I found it!) but rather, 'hmm.... that's
funny...'. - Isaac Asimov
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of 1sclunn
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 8:46 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: race video
>
>
>
> >
> > I'm willing to make the DVD's but no one has contacted me to send me
> pictures
> > and copies (or original) video tapes to make into the dvd.
> >
> > I'm ready to go..
> >
> > James
>
> Well it doesn't sound like your being flooded with video tape. ;-( .
>
> "I will send you the whole cassette then."
> Seth
>
> Am I'm the only one interested in the EV video thing ? This
> is a good way
> to spread the ev word. I have sold 2 ev's to people
> who saw my "convert your gas Brunner to electric" video. When I'm out
> driving around and people stop and ask me about my ev
> car/truck , after my
> ev
> speech, I can offer my "how to video" and make a few dollars.
> To have a 2
> hour ( or what ever a disk can hold) ev video playable on dvd
> with the drag
> races and other ev info would be a great way to spread the ev
> word. But I
> have a feeling James is going to end up with 10 minutes of
> video if we are
> lucky. Could the Descovery channel program be coped and used
> ? James if you
> like I'll send you the unedited 8mm video tape of me
> converting the 959
> Porsche or the Mazda 2 pickup and $50 for 10 dvd's ( which I will
> shamelessly sell for $10 each) .
> Steve Clunn
>
> PS
> I'll even send one to Lee for free, just to get things rolling. :-) .
> ,
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2004, at 11:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Yeah,
> >
> > I'm willing to make the DVD's but no one has contacted me to send me
> > pictures
> > and copies (or original) video tapes to make into the dvd.
> >
> > I'm ready to go..
> >
> > James
> >
> > Quoting 1sclunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >> I haven't heard anything more about a video of the drag races. I
> >> believe
> >> James Jarrett said he would edit and put them on a dvd and
> sell them
> >> for
> >> $5
> >> ( want a deal!!!) I have down loaded a few but with my
> setup this is
> >> slow
> >> and I want to show them to others ( who don't want to wait
> 30 miniuts
> >> to
> >> is
> >> 14 seconds ) .
> >>
> >> Steve Clunn the one with the slow computer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> Seth Allen
> AKA "the cynic"
> " the other Seth"
> "I lost on eBay too"
>
>
>
>
> > Quoting 1sclunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > I haven't heard anything more about a video of the drag races. I
> > > believe
> > > James Jarrett said he would edit and put them on a dvd
> and sell them for
> > > $5
> > > ( want a deal!!!) I have down loaded a few but with my
> setup this is
> > > slow
> > > and I want to show them to others ( who don't want to
> wait 30 miniuts to
> > > is
> > > 14 seconds ) .
> > >
> > > Steve Clunn the one with the slow computer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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