EV Digest 3426
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) THANK YOU for "Batteries information compilation from the Evangle (good stuff)"
by "Steve Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Modern EV truck? (was: RE: Truck Conversion)
by "Chris Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Synchronous PM EV motors
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Kostov Fireballed?
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Air conditioner and power steering pumps
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Battery racks in progress
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Air conditioner and power steering pumps
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Synchronous PM EV motors
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) "Sucking Amps" update
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) The (gentle) EV grin returns
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: Overunity
by "Jorg Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: "Sucking Amps" update
by Sam Uzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Synchronous PM EV motors
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Air conditioner and power steering pumps
by Mark Farver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Modern EV truck? (was: RE: Truck Conversion)
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) RE: Batteries information compilation from the Evangle (good stuff)
by "Jorg Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: ACPropulsion combo on eBay
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: EV Rav4 in MA
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Air conditioner and power steering pumps
by Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Kostov Fireballed?
by Randy Holmquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Dirt Monkey Electric Bike
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Modern EV truck?
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Kostov versus ADC motors
by "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Productizing the Hart Regulator
by Doug Weathers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Shocked
by Paul G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Overunity
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) [Fwd: Link to > Batteries information compilation from the Evangle (good
stuff)]
by Danny Ames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: Tom Hanks = Big EV Fan
by "bobrice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: Battery racks in progress
by Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Your account is about to be expired
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
31) Fiat 850 For Sale
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
32) Re: Productizing the Hart Regulator
by "Mark Thomasson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
33) Re: Overunity motor? We'll see!
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
34) Re: Tom Hanks = Big EV Fan
by Brad Waddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
35) RE: Battery racks in progress
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
36) Variac charging info collected at EVTech wiki
by Jude Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
37) Re: Truck Conversion
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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A big THANK YOU to the individual that recently listed the "Batteries
information compilation " For those of us that are new to the EV world
- and planning our first build -- such a compilation is of great value.
I will be reading, and re-reading this compilation as I plan my next
purchase. I would encourage folks with other component compilations
(controllers, motors, etc.) to do the same. Such postings help new
folks to gain knowledge and confidence more rapidly, leading to more EVs
on the roads in a shorter time period. Again, the battery info was
GREAT . thanks for the contribution. Cheers. Steve
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Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> These seem ideal for EVing. However it seems that a later
> model with the "king cab" might be more comfortable if you
> need to seat 4 people. I just saw a pre Trundra model
> carrying 4 people and they seemed to fit. What might be the
> lightest truck year(Toyota/Mazda/Nissan) that might be turned
> into a long range (80 to 120 mile) vehicle yet still seat two
> on the jump seats and John where do you get your specs.?
I know this is rather bad form, but I'm just about to leave for a long
weekend, so I won't be able to follow up for a few days. I had to
respond though, because this touches on something I've been thinking
about recently.
One of the easiest and most effective ways to convert a vehicle is by
starting with a small truck. It's popular enough that there are kits
available for the S-10. But the S-10 was never a highly regarded truck
to begin with, and I believe the kits apply only to an older version(?).
How about if someone creates a kit for the Toyota Tacoma or some similar
high-quality, up-to-date truck? Bite the bullet up front and order
parts in quantities of ten or more. Teh demand is certainly there, and
the cost per unit would drop dramatically.
Maybe Victor could participate in some way to ensure an AC version is
available?
Any thoughts?
Chris
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Otmar wrote:
I'm curious, you mention a "common synchronous PM AC motor", how common
are these? Do you know of any reasonably powerful PM AC motors
available for conversions?
Sorry, by "common" I meant most commonly used in EV by OEMs I'm
aware of. And of course I don't claim to be aware of *every* EV OEM.
So:
- Siemens 1PV5104WS09 22 kW used in VW Stromer
http://www.ct-werner.de/htm/emobil/utw/emobil20.htm
Better image:
http://www.metricmind.com/images/city_stromer.jpg
I had a chance to drive this vehicle in Holland.
BTW, it is for sale: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/160.html
- Audi ACW-80-4 http://www.metricmind.com/images/acw-80-4.jpg
Rated at 21 kW at 10k RPM. Used as a drive in hybrid Audi DUO:
http://www.metricmind.com/images/audi.jpg
and, I believe, in Hybrid BMW 518i (I may be wrong on this one):
http://www.metricmind.com/images/bmw_face.jpg
I can't think of one over 70KW myself,
except Uniq's vaporware.
Siemens PM Synchronous 85kW (rated) one, often used aa a generator:
http://tinylink.com/?sOYvS9fbib
Not certain how good this choice is for a racing application.
It's quite heavy.
/Plug
All these motors are available to me.
/Unplug
There are probably other ones out there, if they would be
used by large OEMs I thing I would know about them.
I'm trying to collect everything about AC in EV industry.
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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Andre Blanchard wrote:
To my way of thinking you drive an electric car as a way of making more
efficient use of resources. So why go out of your way to expend even a
small amount of energy to hold the car still when the application of the
brake will do the same for almost zero energy expenditure? Also the brake
peddle turns on the brake lights, giving drivers behind you a little more
information about what you are doing.
Thanks,
Andre' B. Clear Lake Wis.
It is a technical discussion of a motor failure mode *if* you'd do it.
It is not an advise or suggestion to drivers to do it even if harmless
for some motors.
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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David Brandt wrote:
...
Victor's CRX had a good example of a typical installation back when it was a
DC powered machine. Victor could probably point you to a picture.
Sure.
http://www.metricmind.com/ac_honda/images/ac1.jpg
http://www.metricmind.com/ac_honda/images/ac2.jpg
I use to take large space. I had it right above 8" ADC.
Leeson 180V 6.7A motor running straight off of 120 pack.
Use to consume about 5.5A when drives Honda's stock
compressor. Doesn't even slows down, so I think it was
overkill.
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Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> AGM's don't swell like floodeds. Flooded batteries swell on all
> sides, usually wedging them into their boxes. AGM's, like Optimas,
> swell on the top, if any. If they swell on the sides the cells
> will short out.
That's not quite right. *Cylindrical* cells don't swell; examples of
such cells include Optima and Inspira AGMs, Gates and Hawker cylindrical
gelcells, and even Oldham flooded cells.
*Flat plate* cells swell in the direction of the stack of plates;
examples include Hawker and Concorde rectangular AGMs, Deka gelcells,
and all flooded rectangular batteries. In most cases, the plates thicken
and warp so they don't stack up as tightly. The battery thus swells in
its longest direction only.
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"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the
world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has!" -- Margaret Meade
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Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Roland Wiench wrote:
It does not make any difference power usage if you take power from a 12 volt
systems that is driven by a DC/DC convertor from the main battery or take
power directly from the main battery, or drive the main motor, to drive the
the accessories.
No, it does, since DC-DC isn't 100% efficient and you loose energy
running accessories off of it.
Always try to use main pack directly if possible and makes
sense safety wise.
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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Otmar wrote:
> I'm curious, you mention a "common synchronous PM AC motor", how
> common are these? Do you know of any reasonably powerful PM AC
> motors available for conversions?
The Toyota and Honda hybrids both use PM AC motors. So did their pure
EVs, but I doubt you can buy motors for them! :-)
--
"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the
world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has!" -- Margaret Meade
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Well once again the Discovery Channel has changed the date for the debut of
"Sucking Amps". This time there is a time associated with it so maybe this
may be real or semi close to reality. At least as close as reality TV is to
reality. The new date and time are May 2nd at 8 PM. You can check back for
updates on or site or NEDRA's. I was a little upset as we had sent out 5000
post cards with the wrong date. I can only relay what I am told. Madman and
F.T. are downstairs at this moment finishing installation of the motors.
F.T. installed the rear drive system yesterday. There have been many holes
drilled to lighten rotating mass and overall lightening. Every once counts
on a two ton plus rig. I've lost 13 pounds myself since Vegas. We would like
to test it on the track again on Sunday but we won't even know if it will be
open or not until tomorrow. That will give us several hours to get ready :-)
Roderick
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
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After a very long 6 weeks, my truck is back on the road with a 'new'
Raptor 600. No evidence of motor damage. Buzzing around on local flat
roads it is great. Starting up on the hills it's a bit lethargic
compared to the 1200. But it moves! And when I get to a stop, it is
totally silent :-) Actually to be fair, I have the max current knob
turned down a little so I'm not using its full power (yet).
This should keep me going while I work on truck #2, and then #1 reverts
to a basic EVA style 120 volt truck with Lester charger to sell off
eventually.
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Jim Coate
1970's Elec-Trak
1992 Chevy S-10 BEV
1997 Chevy S-10 NGV
http://www.eeevee.com
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Water flowing uphill? That's easy -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3046791.stm
And I quote: "James Dyson's uphill water feature has been the striking
image of this year's Chelsea Flower Show. But how did he do it?"
And later: "Mr Dyson says his inspiration was a drawing by the Dutch
artist MC Escher"
jorg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Buford, Joseph E
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 6:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:Overunity
Just need to get water to flow uphill <vbg>
>Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:50:09 -0500
>From: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Overunity motor? We'll see!
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> Well once again the Discovery Channel has changed the date for the debut of
> "Sucking Amps".
are they at least taking the extra time to do follow-ups on Gone Postal's
progress since the original shoot?
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Lee Hart wrote:
The Toyota and Honda hybrids both use PM AC motors. So did their pure
EVs, but I doubt you can buy motors for them! :-)
As I understand it, it's not even policy issue. Even if they'd
willing to do it, their motors are integral part of something else,
not bolt-on separate part.
Like Insight motor's rotor is also being a flywheel - useless if you
want just a motor itself. And the stator windings are embedded into the
bell housing - they have no own enclosure. So the motor essentially
has no own case.
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Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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David Brandt wrote:
getting kind of scarce, lately. What is everybody doing for DC/DC's,
anyhow?
I just purchased a DCP DC/DC from KTA services. Ken had a few on the
shelf.
The unit came with an Alltrax sticker slapped over the DCP silkscreen,
so it might be that Damon is still building them. (Or more likely.. he
just built as many as he had leftover parts for.)
At almost $400 its pricy, but its a really nice unit.
Mark
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I've thought about this one a bit.
First I should point out that the 'kits' aren't limited to the older
S-10's. Randy at Canadian EV has motor adapters and housing kits to
connect ADC/Netgain 8"/9" motors in place of 2.2, 2.5, and 2.8L engines
used in many GM vehicles. This includes the older S-10s as well as the
newer ones with the smaller engine (ie anything but the 4.3L s-10's). I
like his approach as the clutch is retained (as is the pilot shaft &
bearing).
I'm not positive, but I think that Bob Batson at EVA also has adapter
plates for the newer S-10's. However, he tends to favor the clutchless
design and more mellow performance overall. The CanEV kit includes
battery boxes; the EVA kit includes directions for a local shop to weld
up the battery box frames underneath the bed.
Getting the 80-100 mile range in any truck would require either massive
amounts of batteries (a la Red Beastie) and no cargo capacity or
advanced battery chemistries. I'm thinking of using an extended cab so
as to have an environmentally protected space to carry uber expensive
LiIons, and then some AGM's under the bed.
I like the appearance of the Ranger, but the frame rails are set close
together with the springs off to the sides which consumes valuable
battery space. The Mazda is (or at least was) just a rebadged Ranger.
I spent some time studying a friend's Nissan Frontier extended cab
(1999?). The rails are nice and far apart, with the leaf springs
underneath, and it basically looked like it would make a good
conversion. My carpenter/builder friends have given mixed reports about
the durability of the Nissans. The real stumbling point is that I can't
order up a motor adapter and housing kit to fit the tranny. And I'm not
sure I want to take on that type of project from scratch.
Toyotas I haven't really looked at. At times I revert to thinking that
to keep total weight (and cost) down I should use something like the
Subaru Baja (or the elusive rust-free Brat). But then the lack of frame
and place to put batteries slows me down as I don't like the thought of
cutting up the engineered to be just strong enough uni-body.
As for using an AC drive system, Victor & I will disagree on this, but I
don't think that any of his 'regular' systems are powerful enough for a
truck sized vehicle. Or at least a modern truck - the little Datsun
truck might be OK. One of the big Siemens motors meant for busses would
be a hoot in a truck. If you can pack in 600 volts of batteries (and
live through the process). So the likely way to an AC system that I can
see is to use two of the regular Siemens systems. Then either need to
deal with connecting both motors to the original tranny, or get fancy
and one motor to the front wheels and one motor to the rear. A good
amount of custom mechanical work to do but could be nice. Note that I
live near Boston where going up steep hills at 75mph is part of being
'normal'.
I'm actively looking for a nice S-10, extended cab, 5-speed, 2.2L, power
steering, ABS, etc. as the donor for my next truck. S-10's may not be
perfect but oodles of parts and upgrades are available, and although
getting heavy a recent vintage has plenty of creature comforts.
So... while I might like a Nissan or Toyota a little better, I'm looking
at the S-10 as being more than good enough and having the parts needed
available (and if anyone knows of such an S-10 for cheap with a perfect
rust free body and just enough engine life left to drive to Boston, let
me know :-)
Chris Tromley wrote:
Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
These seem ideal for EVing. However it seems that a later
model with the "king cab" might be more comfortable if you
need to seat 4 people. I just saw a pre Trundra model
carrying 4 people and they seemed to fit. What might be the
lightest truck year(Toyota/Mazda/Nissan) that might be turned
into a long range (80 to 120 mile) vehicle yet still seat two
on the jump seats and John where do you get your specs.?
One of the easiest and most effective ways to convert a vehicle is by
starting with a small truck. It's popular enough that there are kits
available for the S-10. But the S-10 was never a highly regarded truck
to begin with, and I believe the kits apply only to an older version(?).
How about if someone creates a kit for the Toyota Tacoma or some similar
high-quality, up-to-date truck? Bite the bullet up front and order
parts in quantities of ten or more. Teh demand is certainly there, and
the cost per unit would drop dramatically.
Maybe Victor could participate in some way to ensure an AC version is
available?
Any thoughts?
Chris
_________
Jim Coate
1970's Elec-Trak
1992 Chevy S-10 BEV
1997 Chevy S-10 NGV
http://www.eeevee.com
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Danny, if you're out there: perhaps due to its size, your message didn't
get to me. Perhaps others had the same problem?
Anyway, if all the information is just on a link somewhere, could you
reply with what that link is?
Thanks in advance...
jorg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Danny Ames
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Batteries information compilation from the Evangle (good
stuff)
My most sincere apologies if I caused anybody any trouble.
It was to late to cancel before I realized how large it was.
Its was only plain text I thought, oops.
I'm very sorry to waste so much bandwidth.
Danny Ames...
Roy LeMeur wrote:
>
> Hey Danny
>
> Jeeez Louise! This has got to be a record for length of POST of info
that
> could have been just linked to.
>
> This page is familiar to many, if not most on the EVDL.
>
> Been around for quite a while.
>
> Took most of the space in my most recent EV digest. :-)
>
> I have linked to this page for years at my EV links page (in signature
line)
>
> Sorry if this harshes your mellow.
>
> But... Jeeez Louise!!!
>
> (can you say waste of bandwidth?)
>
> Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA
>
> Updated!
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> http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
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Now this would be a nice AC drive for a pick up truck!
Continuous Power: 52.2 kW, Peak Power: 150 kW
LiIons --> PFC50 (which apparently can pump more like 100 amps of DC?)
--> AGMs --> AC-150 --> fun! So much for my analysis showing AC/DC combo
made economic sense.
Tempting, but besides the price I wonder about repair and support as it
is a one-of-a-kind?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> So, who on the EVDL is selling this sweet setup:
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2469007748 ?
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Jim Coate
1970's Elec-Trak
1992 Chevy S-10 BEV
1997 Chevy S-10 NGV
http://www.eeevee.com
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Woohoo! Good to know other people are driving them, and giving them a
change to stretch their legs, er, batteries.
ZipCar recently added a third one, so there are 2 Rav4-EV's available at
the Green St. garage in Cambridge and 1 available at the Tufts U campus
on the Medford/Somerville line. $6.50/hr to grin.
(whine mode: If Toyota can provide support for ZipCar, why not for
regular people like me who might want to buy one???)
Phil Sobolik wrote:
I just saw an EV Rav4 - in Woburn, MA!!! with MA plates!!! It said
zipcar.com on it.
Phil
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Jim Coate
1970's Elec-Trak
1992 Chevy S-10 BEV
1997 Chevy S-10 NGV
http://www.eeevee.com
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Assuming you are running a more or less ordinary pack voltage (100-144V)
this motor aught to do the trick:
http://www.sciplus.com/category.cfm?subsection=18&category=174
The one at the top labeled "Treadmill Motor", 1.5-2 hp and $49.95
It's made by Pacific Scientific (which is a good company) and it's
perhaps a bit more powerful than you need (which means it's unlikely to
overheat).
You might want to add a flywheel to help it handle the surge when the AC
compressor turns on (I don't really know if this is needed though)
> That's why I talk to you kind people on the list. I'll see what I can
> find along those lines.
>
> Maybe I can just hook it up to the tail shaft of the 4001A, and rig some
> kind of "idle" mode for when I'm standing still...
>
> Judebert
> EVirgin
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capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
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> Wow! I didn't realize there have been so many Kostov failures. Back when I
> was deciding on which motor to use, the Kostov came highly regarded from EV
> list "gurus". Do any of the 11 dead one's have salvageable commutators. I
> haven't totally taken mine apart but from what I can see, it's not
> repairable.
>
The first dozen or so burned up the field windings (sepex), we found they were
insulated well under the class H as advertised. With
new Canadian built field coils, new US made brushes ( Kostov brushes were poor
quality) and the Wayland armature fix's ( banding the
end of the com and spacing the brushes back) the motors worked for about two years
but now the coms are going and the 11 have all
dead coms.
These motors see heavy use in our 12,000lb trucks, we have the same motor in our
5,000lb Might-E truck and have had no problems in 4
years.
>
> Just curious about your comment of switching back to ADC. Why did you switch
> to Kostov in the first place? Was there some quality problem that ADC has
> resolved?
Kostov was the only SEPEX motor on the market at 96 volts. We wanted to be "leading
edge" by going SEPEX and 96 volts for our
equipment, everyone else was 48 - 80 volt.
We now use the 9" ADC at 96 volt and Curtis 1231C with no problems, amazing how a $50k
loss can make you re-evaluate your need to be
on the bleeding edge. :(
Oh yea we also have a BIG box of dead Zapi SEPEX controllers that they would not
warranty as well.
The big lesson from all this is buy quality US (or Canadian) made products!
Hope to see some of you in Portland!
BFN
Randy
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Canada, V0R 1V0
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Fax: (250) 954-2235
Website: http://www.canev.com
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Manufactures of: "Might-E Truck"
EV conversion Kits and components
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This 72V 10AH LiIon powered bike in the UK is powerful (1 KW) and has
interesting styling-
http://www.technicalbikes.co.uk/
Photo-
http://www.technicalbikes.co.uk/images/16inch%20driveDM.jpg
Videos there too.
Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA
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Jim Coate wrote:
I've thought about this one a bit.
...
As for using an AC drive system, Victor & I will disagree on this, but I
don't think that any of his 'regular' systems are powerful enough for a
truck sized vehicle.
No, I don't disagree. You're probably right if you demand 2 ton beast to
go 75 MPH up 10% incline. This actually can be simulated fairly easily,
and I can tell then yes or no. Please define your "powerful enough".
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Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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When I was planning my Ranger pickup conversion in 1995 I did
consider using a Kostov motor instead of an ADC 9-inch motor.
The main reasons I didn't use a Kostov was because almost no information
was available about the Kostov's quality, durability, or performance.
And there was practically no factory or dealer support available. It's
now evident that I made the right choice to go with the ADC motor
instead.
When I first saw a Kostov, I noted that it had smaller brushes and
commutator than the ADC 9-inch motors so I'm not surprised that
a number of Kostov motors have had commutator and brush failures.
Tom Shay
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(I guess I should apologize for my use of the non-word "productizing".
Sorry.)
I've been pondering the battery regulator Lee Hart has described here.
I'm calling it the Hart Regulator. It consists of two zener diodes and
a flashlight bulb. It lights the bulb at 13.6v, and at 15v it's
dissipating about half an amp. Check the archives for details - the
description of the device is here.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ev/message/31518
I have come up with a possible way to turn it into a product. A few
features could be added as well.
The idea is to make a circuit board that can be attached to the side
posts on an Optima battery. It would be shaped like an upside-down U.
The legs of the U are the connection points to the side posts. There
are little cutouts on the top of the Optima above the side terminals,
so you'd still be able to jam the Optimas together tightly.
The circuit board would contain the zener diodes and a socket for the
flashlight bulb. Optionally it could also contain:
- a bulb test circuit (a momentary contact switch and a resistor)
- a disconnect switch (for an equalizing charge, or just because)
- forward-based diodes with a negative temperature coefficient to
compensate for the positive temperature coefficient of the zeners (as
described by Lee Hart in a followup message)
- a photocell circuit to detect the light from the flashlight bulb (for
turning the charger down or off)
- a redundant bulb for the paranoid
- an option for using with 6v batteries
- other mounting options for other batteries (foam tape, extra leads to
reach the terminals)
So tell me: is this a stupid idea? Why? Can it be improved into a
smart idea?
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Doug Weathers
Bend, OR, USA
http://learn-something.blogsite.org
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Yea, for some reason Rich always gets jumpy when I start playing with
a battery pack. See, he can feel 12vdc while I have very seldom been
able to feel 72vdc (perhaps if I place both hands in water first).
That said, I'm not stupid. I've never been able to tell the voltage
between any two points by looking at them! RESPECT first, knowledge
second, action third - DO NOT mess up the order (action first could
easily get you killed).
Neon
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From: "Jorg Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 6:10 PM
Subject: RE: Overunity
> Water flowing uphill? That's easy -
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3046791.stm
>
What a great lawn ornament , just ad a little water wheel generator and some
leds . I had an idea like this for a Hood ornament. Use a small air
compressor ( which are easy to find ) hooked mid way on the water lines of
the zilla water cooling system , on the hood a 2" clear pipe with water in
and out on either end , and small hole on top to let air out. the air
bobbles would rise in the hose to the clear tube on the hood taking the
water with them ( could even put a fish in there) .
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Jorg Brown wrote:
>
> Danny, if you're out there: perhaps due to its size, your message didn't
> get to me. Perhaps others had the same problem?
>
> Anyway, if all the information is just on a link somewhere, could you
> reply with what that link is?
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> jorg
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From: Brad Waddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 5:28 AM
Subject: Tom Hanks = Big EV Fan
> Tom Hanks was on the David Letterman Show Monday night. He mentioned he
> owned a new Prius but preferred his RAV4-EV. He also said he had invested
> in a company that is offering EV conversions of several different models
> which get 100 miles per charge - anyone have any more details on this
> venture? thanks.
>
> brad
> Hi EVerybody;
Bettya THAT may be Phoenix Motorcars?? Hope so!
Bob
> Brad Waddell ** FLEXquarters.com LLC ** voice-mail/fax: 602-532-7019
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looking good ryan... it's interesting to see how the 200sx is similar
in some ways to my 240Z. looks like nissan kept a lot of the basic
ideas, just changed little things here and there and bam, suddenly it's
not a 240Z anymore :)
seth
On Friday, March 26, 2004, at 08:50 AM, Ryan Bohm wrote:
Hi,
For anyone interested in seeing the progress of my battery racks in
the 200sx, I've got some pictures and info. at
http://www.evsource.com/conversion/battery_racks.php
I'll have more stuff up in the next few days.
-Ryan
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'72 Datsun 240Z Conversion
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A charter member of the Seattle EV Association, Byron Verbon, a retired
Industrial Arts Teacher, is selling his Fiat 850 Spyder EV.
Facts and figures ( Pictures ) can be seen at :
http://home.comcast.net/~stevenslough/Fiat850ForSale.html
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Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
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Doug, Sounds like a good plan to me. How about a discussion of distributed
vs centralized? Putting them on each battery will cut down on the mess of
wiring, unless you mount a photo cell on each one that needs wiring back to
the charger shutoff anyway. Centralizing the system would require fusing to
protect the extra wiring, but would make it a lot easier to test bulbs and
bypass everything for equalizing. How much trouble would a latching device
be, to show which batteries are lighting up first? Thanks, Mark T.
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From: "Doug Weathers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 11:40 PM
Subject: Productizing the Hart Regulator
.................
> So tell me: is this a stupid idea? Why? Can it be improved into a
> smart idea?
>
> --
> Doug Weathers
> Bend, OR, USA
> http://learn-something.blogsite.org
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On 24 Mar 2004 at 22:47, Jude Anthony wrote:
> As Minato notes: "How typical of Japan's small-minded
> bureaucrats that they needed the leadership of the US to accept that my
> invention was genuine."
On 24 Mar 2004 at 22:14, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> Revealed here in it's entirety is a patent which, due to probable
> suppression by political, military and/or economic interests, you've never
> heard about.
When associated with any "invention," this kind of invective usually sets
off my BS detector (with all the sirens blaring and strobes flashing ;-).
Scientists just don't write this way, but paranoid loonies and con men do.
Not that there aren't examples of corporations successfully suppressing
technology - but this isn't technology.
Patents don't mean much. From what I've read, the US patent office will
pretty much patent anything; all you have to do is show that it doesn't use
prior art. There doesn't seem to be any requirement that you prove an
invention actually WORKS.
All that said, haven't we agreed on this list that perpetual motion and
overunity machines are off-topic? Or am I misremembering?
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At 10:29 AM 03/27/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Bettya THAT may be Phoenix Motorcars?? Hope so!
He specifically said *Conversions* - Phoenix makes original vehicles from
what I read.
brad
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On 26 Mar 2004 at 8:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The cylinder design
> prevents any side swelling.
Optimas use cylindrical cells. Wouldn't conventional flat-plate construction
AGMs, such as Hawkers, still swell? (I don't know the answer, not having
used AGMs extensively, or intensively, in an EV application.)
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I collected all the information from my recent variac charging question
and posted it to the EVTech wiki. (It's a lot easier to search the wiki
than the archive.) Dave, if you want to copy it to your EV faq, I
certainly don't have any trouble with that.
http://www.evtech.org/phpwiki/index.php/Charging%20with%20a%20Variac
Judebert
*contributing* EVirgin
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Hello to All,
Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> These seem ideal for EVing. However it seems that a later model with the
> "king cab" might be more comfortable if you need to seat 4 people.
The King Cab model was based on the '73-'78 620 truck, the trendy-styled one. They were
very nice trucks, but lost some of the rugged appeal of the 520-521 series, in that
style
took more priority over function. For example, the 620 couldn't haul 1 ton easily like
its
predecessor, the 521, though it was still pretty capable of more than its half ton
rating.
The sheet metal was thinner, so unlike the 520-521 series that had robust fenders hoods
and doors that resisted dents, the 620 had pretty wimpy fenders that dented more
easily, a
thin hood that quivered and oilcanned, and doors that weren't too beefy, either. It's
stylish shaped bed had a two tier side panel construction that tended to rust where the
seam was....the sturdy, heavy gauge steel bed of the 520-521's was a single panel unit,
and tough as nails! The 620 did have a very much improved cab though, with full gauges
(a
tach was optional), a modern heater-ventilation system, a better seat, etc...an of
course,
the king Cab option. Don't get me wrong, the 620 wasn't all that thin skinned, but
compared to the ultra rugged, over-built 520-521's, it was.
In addition to the attraction of the minitruck's low curb weight with high gross
weight capability, and the fact that they have a small frontal area and are pretty
easy to push down the road, the other big plus, at least for me, is that it's still
cool
to have a rad, little minitruck to tool around in...they're just fun. A tricked out
Datsun
minitruck still turns heads, still corners flat, still hauls weight easy, and is still
tough and sturdy. Though today's mid-sized Tacomas, Frontiers, Rangers, and S10's are
better in many ways, they are boring in comparison to any of the original minitrucks!
A 620 Datsun minitruck would still make a great EV conversion, and they 'are' pretty
cool
looking trucks. 620's also came with big front disc brakes, a two step spring in back
for
better ride quality when empty, and were fitted with a very tough 4 speed, then later,
a 5
speed tranny, both are versions of the longer and stronger Z Car tranny, so they easily
take the torque of an electric motor.
Disclaimer.....irresponsible behavior to follow, non-electric stuff:
I helped a friend, Dennis, make a hotrod 620 minitruck back in '75. It was a nice blue
color, and he bought it brand new. The '75 truck came with the biggest 4 cylinder to
date,
the L20B 2 liter OHC, rated at 110 hp....I changed that, just a bit :-), and it had
the 5
speed tranny. We lowered the truck, and put 15 X 8 chrome rims in back, and 15 X 7 up
front, mounted with fat low profile white lettered BF Goodrich Radial TA's. The stock
quad
four sealed beam headlights were thrown out, and in their place French made Cibie' 5
inch
Hi-Lo quartz iodine headlight inserts took are of the outside pair, and clear lensed,
flat
faced 100 watt ACLs (aircraft landing lights) took on the center Hi beam roll. I of
course, rewired it all with ten gauge and relay support, and the stock 60 amp
alternator
was replaced with a 90 amp unit. Besides making the face of the truck glitter and
gleam,
this photon assault was nothing short of amazing when all four Hi beams were ignited
on a
dark, country highway, with about a two mile illumination field! The stock grey
plastic
formed grill was cleaned up with the removal of badges, and painted semi-gloss
black....with its factory blue paint buffed to a high luster, its crisp grill with
hi-pro
headlights, the dropped stance, and the gleaming chrome rims and white lettered fat
tires...oh yea, and a 3 inch sewer pipe for an exhaust... it was a cool but aggressive
little truck that packed more than tough looks! The L20B was tricked out with a full on
Wayland-designed 'draw-through' turbo system....18 lbs. of boost with water injection
down
the throat of the rejetted factory carb. Though we never dynoed it, a conservative hp
estimate was 275 hp or so! Let me tell you....that much power in a 2100 lb. minitruck,
is
a hoot!
One day, we were out trolling, and came upon a guy with his gorgeous girlfriend in an
open
top T-bucket roadster, V8 and headers clearly on display, snort'n and a burbling at a
stop
light. The guy looked over at us, and just laughed at our wanna-be hot rod minitruck,
and
in a taunting fashion, he revved his mighty V8 a few times. His 'girl' too, mocked the
little Datsun truck that she was certain, 'her man' would eliminate in short order.
When
the light changed, Dennis nailed it, as the minitruck went slightly sideways, both rear
tires up in smoke (yes, we had a Nissan Comp. posi rear end in it, too). The T-bucket
was
also on full boil, right next to us. 2nd gear, the truck now had huge clouds of white
smoke rolling off the back but being light weight, the machine was also now flying
forward
at a rapid rate and soundly ahead of the T-bucket. The beauty, is that the T-bucket
was in
the wake, and not only did they have the embarrassment of being beaten by a 4 banger
minitruck, they also were absolutely choking on tire smoke! Dennis snapped 3rd gear and
the Nissan Comp. full race clutch bit hard, and again, in 3rd gear mind you...the tires
squealed and smoked a bit...then bit, and we simply left the T-bucket far behind.
Anyway, the minitrucks of yesteryear were way cool, way fun, and in my opinion, need to
make a comeback. Today's 'small' trucks are just too big, and are too porky to be cool
in
the same vein as were the original minitrucks.
> What might be the lightest truck year (Toyota/Mazda/Nissan) that might be turned
> into a long range (80 to 120 mile) vehicle yet still seat two on the jump
> seats?
The Tacoma series replaced the standard and XtraCab versions of the Toyota trucks, like
the '95 Red Beastie was based on. They are similar in size, but picked up weight. The
'95
Toyota XtraCab pickup weighed ~ 2650 lbs., and with air bag springs added to the back
and
high pressure truck radials (designed to handle 1900 lbs. per tire), handled the extra
2500 lbs. of batteries with ease.
If I were to pick the best '80's-early 90's pickup for conversion, however, I'd choose
the
square-shouldered, clean looking, roomy and rugged Mazda B2000 & B2200 pickup, like the
'86 gasser I have and used to use to tow my race car around the western US. Again,
just my
opinion, but these B series trucks are very classic looking, and have a timeless style
that never seems to look old. After, I think, '92, the real Mazda pickup disappeared
and
all models since, are just rebadged Ford Rangers...too bad, since the Mazda's were such
wonderful trucks. They weren't too big, yet the cabs are very roomy inside and have
terrific heater-AC-ventilation systems. They have nice dash displays and a central
mounted
stereo location that's easy to equip with aftermarket gear, too. Like the Nissans and
Toyotas of the same era, the Mazda trucks have very beefy full ladder frames, with the
frame rails set well apart, unlike the goofy Ford Ranger design with frame rails close
together in the center of the truck, making it difficult to mount batteries under the
bed...doable, but difficult. I have never been a fan of the King cab, XtraCab types
trucks, as I think they look awkward compared to the standard cab trucks, but I do
recognize their added usefulness. In this area, I feel that Mazda got the styling just
right and pulled off the extended cab thing best. You can also get a long bed version
of
the B2000-B2200 trucks, too.
> John, where do you get your specs.?
First, I have a steel trap memory for specs on vehicles, for some reason. Second, I
also
have had tons of experience with pretty much all the vehicles I write about. Third, I
have
a pretty good library of road test magazines, car and truck books, and most
importantly,
original manufacturer brochures and spec sheets. Example:
>From the 1972 brochure 'Have we got a Datsun for you!'...'Lil Hustler pickup, 2116
>lbs.
curb weight, length 170.3 inches, height 60.8 inches, wheelbase 99.6 inches, 96 hp @
5600
rpm...etc, etc.
I was very lucky, and even found an original '66 color brochure for my '66 Datsun 520
truck, and it lists all the specs.....cool! Fourth, I actually get vehicles, and take
them
apart. I also drive them to the local recycle yard, use their drive-on scales, and
weigh
them myself.
See Ya.....John Wayland
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