EV Digest 3429
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) 1993 Soleq Escort for sale
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2) Re: A-hrs vs W-hrs
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) A-hrs vs W-hrs
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: A-hrs vs W-hrs
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Australian Li-Ion bulk purchase
by "Mark Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Brakes
by "Tom Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Press release from Whistler about upcoming Lion EV 200 mi range
by Brad Waddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Tom Hanks = Big EV Fan
by Jude Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: A-hrs vs W-hrs
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: A-hrs vs W-hrs
by "Mark Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: A-hrs vs W-hrs
by Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: "Sucking Amps" update
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Productizing the Hart Regulator
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Press release from Whistler about upcoming Lion EV 200 mi range
by "Peri Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: ACPropulsion combo on eBay
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: "Gone Postal" update
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: DC-DC Converter
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Press release from Whistler about upcoming Lion EV 200 mi range
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Hot EV BMS tool - Battery Monitor System from JB - shameless plug
by Danny Ames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Hot EV BMS tool - Battery Monitor System from JB - shameless plug
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hey all:
I am selling my 1993 Ford Escort Stationwagon professionally converted to electric by
Soleq Corporation. It can be seen at www.austinev.org/evalbum/186.htm and can be
contacted in care of me offline at:
Jim Donovan
Westwood KS (KCMO area)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
913.236.9466
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Energy is what you spend moving along the road, and energy
is expressed in Watt-hours. Technically, this is what should
be used. If you compare different cars, this is the only way
to compare efficiencies - Wh per distance unit.
Ah is battery capacity. The reason people use it is because
for given vehicle Ah spent translates to the range as well
as Wh, and, when available Ah out of the battery are taken
out, the vehicle stops, just as if you take out Wh. And,
2.5 Ah from here to there "sounds" more convenient to grasp
and comprehend than 367 Wh.
Trouble with Ah is, you calibrate your range per Ah, but it
changes with SOC, not to mention it will be totally off
if you add/remove battery or two from the pack.
You know that way to work consumes 500 Wh, this is fixed
for your car and driving habit, so if you have 500Wh left
you can make it.
Amount of Ah for the same distance also depends on the pack
SOC - less voltage will require more amps (and so Ah) to
cover the same distance. Well, it's the same in terms of
if you have all the Ah needed available (and you keep
track of it) you can make it, but it easy to overestimate:
at the end of the day Ah counter runs faster and if you
"calibrated your mind" to see 1Ah per minute from the fresh
pack and need 10 minutes to get home (10Ah), with tired pack
it may surprise you to roll at the rate of 1.5Ah per
minute, so you suddenly need 15Ah for the same 10 min
to get home.
OHOH, Wh required does not change with SOC, so one less
variable.
All you need to understand is that Wh is directly proportional
to Ah as long as the voltage stay the same, but it us *not*
the same as you drive. (For this reason your residential
electricity meter measure Wh, not Ah.)
Knowing this, make your choice.
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
Fortunat Mueller wrote:
Allright,
It is monday, and I have a question to pose that has
been bugging me.
Why is battery capacity usually specified in Amp-hrs ?
Doesn't it make more sense to talk about watt-hrs when
talking about energy storage capacity ? Wouldn't using
Watt hours would make it easier to compare batteries
of different voltages and internal resistance.
After all, Amps don't propel me down the road, watts
do.
Is it convention to rate capacity in amp-hrs just
because the normal test is a constant current
discharge, so no additional instrumentation is
necessary to calculate amp hrs (whereas a voltmeter
and calculator would be needed to get Watt-hrs).
just curious because it has been bugging me as I dream
about new batteries and high energy density.
~Fortunat
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I like amp-hrs cause I can compare series strings of batteries say a
50ah 120V vs a 80 ah 120V pack. I think I would have to divide wh by
voltage than multiply back by pack voltage a lot if , for example, one
pack was made of 6 volters, one of 12 volters or even 8 volters. oh, and
then there are the 1.2volters and the 3.6 volters(did I leave anyone
out?) The cells are "x" amp hrs reguardless of chemistry or how many are
in the box.
BTW is it amp * hrs or amp / hrs ?
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Jeff Shanab wrote:
I like amp-hrs cause I can compare series strings of batteries say a
50ah 120V vs a 80 ah 120V pack. I think I would have to divide wh by
voltage than multiply back by pack voltage a lot if , for example, one
pack was made of 6 volters, one of 12 volters or even 8 volters. oh, and
then there are the 1.2volters and the 3.6 volters(did I leave anyone
out?)
I don't quite follow, but you have to say [EMAIL PROTECTED] vs [EMAIL PROTECTED];
*then* I can tell how far these packs will get you. You can't compare
just 50Ah pack to 80Ah pack without specifying voltage -
it makes no sense. And, the voltage changes as you drive.
The cells are "x" amp hrs reguardless of chemistry or how many are
in the box.
Ah are more useful when you talk and compare just batteries
and packs; Wh - when you talk and compare cars you actually drive.
So both units are useful, just the purpose is different.
If you just say you have 20 kWh pack, everyone
knows how far it will get you - 96V system or 336V,
also regardless of chemistry.
> BTW is it amp * hrs or amp / hrs ?
Ah is Amps * Hours.
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Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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Hi all,
Is anyone in Australia (east coast) planning on purchasing some Thunder
Sky Li-Ions?
The reason that I ask is that Michael Symons (ADC distributor in Aus)
and his son, George, are thinking about getting some for their cars, and
would like to put together a group purchase to keep the prices
reasonable.
I'm not sure of timeframes or anything like that, but guess it would be
in the next month or three.
If you are interested contact me off list.
Mark
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The mention of break failure reminds me of my daughter getting killed. I am so glad
Elaine wasn't hurt. I think plug braking as an emergency measure should be used. If
I could put some kind of anker on all my cars I would for emegencies. tommy
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Anyone in Vancouver Canada able to make this conference this weekend and
corner this dude on some specifics? They promise everything in their press
release....
Press Release Source: Whistler Investments, Inc.
Whistler Investments, Inc.'s (WHIS) subsidiaries to showcase their R-Car,
All-Terrain Vehicles (ATVs), Lithium Power Paks and other revolutionary
products at the upcoming GLOBE 2004 Conference
Monday March 29, 10:54 am ET
LAS VEGAS, NV, March 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ - Whistler Investments, Inc
(OTCBB: WHIS - News) - an emerging leader in the development and marketing
of lithium ion vehicles, lithium ion powered technology and products
worldwide, is pleased to announce that Global Electric and R Car will be
unveiling several exciting prototypes at the upcoming GLOBE 2004 Conference
being held in Vancouver, British Columbia, March 31 - April 2nd at the
Vancouver Convention Centre.
R-Electric Car Company's (http://www.r-electriccar.com) revolutionary R-Car
and ATV will be making their debut at GLOBE 2004. The R-Car capability
includes the ability to travel in excess of 200 miles without the need to
recharge, and offers a five-speed gearbox that allows the car to accelerate
to speeds exceeding 90 MPH. In addition, our engineers have re-designed the
charging capabilities. Consumers now have the ability to achieve a full
charge in 3-5 hours and the ability to recharge over 1000 times. By adding
more battery packs, consumers can substantially increase their range in the
R-Car.
The two-person ATV offers a two-hour range on a flat surface and speeds
reaching up to 35-40 MPH depending on the terrain. The ATV can climb steep
hills, traverse rocky areas, standing water and swamps, is ideal for use in
the backcountry or off-road areas making it the ideal choice for ranchers,
hunters and nature lovers alike. The lithium ion powered ATV eliminates the
threat of forest fires caused by gasoline powered ATVs, and allows
consumers to reach destinations where the standard gasoline powered ATVs
are restricted
- a true All-Terrain Vehicle that can be used anywhere.
Global Electric Corporation's (http://www.globalelectric.com) conversion of
the motorcycle and bicycle will also be making their debut at GLOBE 2004.
The lithium ion converted motorcycle offers the ability to accelerate to
speeds exceeding 50 MPH, can travel over 100 miles without the need to
recharge, and the ability to fully charge in 1-3 hours. The lithium ion
converted bicycle can travel at speeds over 15 MPH, travel for over two
hours without the need to recharge and needs only 1-2 hours to recharge.
As demand for portability increases, Global Electric's development and
implementation of the Lithium Portable Power Pak will cater to the ever-
increasing needs of today's consumers looking to gain maximum duration and
use from their laptops, cell phones and digital cameras. With many other
portable devices currently in widespread use, the Lithium Portable Power
Pak will add an additional 8-12 hours of use time to products such as
Notebook PCs, DVD players and other high end toys while allowing consumers
the ability to charge cell phones through their USB ports while using their
computers in any wireless setting.
Whistler Investments is proud to be at the forefront of this revolutionary
and exciting lithium ion powered technology and encourage you to visit our
booth (No. 325) at GLOBE 2004 to witness first hand a demonstration of our
products, and to attend "The Power of Lithium and Global Electric
Transportation" luncheon with our technology founder, Mr. Chaz Haba. Do not
miss this extraordinary opportunity to speak personally with Mr. Haba about
his vision for a zero emissions lifestyle. As seating is limited and
tickets must be reserved in advance, please email:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] for details.
Holly Roseberry, President of Whistler states: "Our team is ecstatic to
show the world our cutting-edge technology and invite everyone for a live
demonstration of our revolutionary products at GLOBE 2004".
About Whistler Investments, Inc.
Whistler Investments Inc. (OTCBB: WHIS - News) - is an emerging leader in
the development and marketing of lithium ion vehicles and lithium ion
powered technology and products worldwide. With the global focus moving
rapidly towards addressing pollution, the need for sustainable zero
emission energy is current and we at Whistler believe our superior
technology, coupled with an aggressive marketing plan, will establish our
company and its subsidiaries on the world stage. As current legislation is
dictating a move toward this type of energy, we foresee this industry as
one of the fastest growing segments within the global economy. For complete
information, please visit our website at http://www.whistlerinvestments.com.
About Globe 2004
Over the past decade, the GLOBE(TM) Series has emerged as one of the most
well-known and prestigious business and environment events in the world. An
international crossroads and marketplace, the GLOBE(TM) Series focuses on
developing the business of the environment and serves as an important
global platform for Canada to showcase its capabilities in environmental
management and technology. Senior business executives and government
officials from over 75 nations meet every two years at this exciting forum
to exchange ideas, cultivate partnerships and do business. First launched
in 1990, GLOBE biennial events each generate more than $425 million in
business and host nearly 10,000 participants. For more information, please
visit http://www.globe2004.com.
GLOBE 2004
March 31 - April 2, 2004
Vancouver Convention & Exhibition Centre
999 Canada Place
Vancouver, BC, Canada
SOURCE: Whistler Investments, Inc.
Holly Roseberry, President
Forward Looking Statement
This press release may include forward-looking statements within the
meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of
the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. These statements are based on the
Company's current expectations as to future events. However, the
forward-looking events and circumstances discussed in this press release
might not occur, and actual results could differ materially from those
anticipated or implied in the forward-looking statements.
Brad Waddell ** FLEXquarters.com LLC ** voice-mail/fax: 602-532-7019
Postal: 6965 El Camino Real Ste 105 #488 Carlsbad CA 92009 USA
Plug-in to your QuickBooks data at www.qodbc.com
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Brad Waddell wrote:
If a car never had an ICE in it, is it a conversion? I would say no
since technically, it was not converted from any other propulsion method.
brad
According to the IRS, you can have the tax rebate only for "new" cars.
A car is new if and only if the car has never been used for any other
purpose. I can't imagine what you'd use a car without an engine for, so
I'd guess a car that never had an ICE isn't a conversion, but rather a
"new" car by the IRS definition.
Judebert
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Victor Tikhonov wrote:
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Energy is what you spend moving along the road, and energy
is expressed in Watt-hours. Technically, this is what should
be used. If you compare different cars, this is the only way
to compare efficiencies - Wh per distance unit.
----------------------
Some would argue that Joules are a much better representation of energy use
than watts or watt/hours.
Anyone care to give a detailed comparative analysis? :-)
Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA
Updated!
My Electric Vehicle Pages:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
Informative Electric Vehicle Links:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html
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A joule is the SI unit of energy.
It is equal to one watt second (one watt for one second).
A watt hour (one watt for one hour) is 3600 joules.
So they are essentially the same thing, with a constant scaling factor
between them.
Watt hours are probably more meaningful, since that is the unit that our
electricity bill uses, and it is very easy to multiply amp hours and
volts.
You can use joules if you want - just multiply the watt hours by 3600 -
but no one that I know of uses that unit in this context, so to most
people it will be a meaningless number.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Roy LeMeur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2004 1:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A-hrs vs W-hrs
Victor Tikhonov wrote:
----------------------
Energy is what you spend moving along the road, and energy
is expressed in Watt-hours. Technically, this is what should
be used. If you compare different cars, this is the only way
to compare efficiencies - Wh per distance unit.
----------------------
Some would argue that Joules are a much better representation of energy
use
than watts or watt/hours.
Anyone care to give a detailed comparative analysis? :-)
Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA
Updated!
My Electric Vehicle Pages:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
Informative Electric Vehicle Links:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html
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That's sort of like arguing whether it's more correct to say Miles per
Gallon or Kilometers per Liter.
Heck you could even use calories if you wanted too.
For most folks watt-hours are more familiar than Joules.
On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 20:05, Roy LeMeur wrote:
> Victor Tikhonov wrote:
> ----------------------
> Energy is what you spend moving along the road, and energy
> is expressed in Watt-hours. Technically, this is what should
> be used. If you compare different cars, this is the only way
> to compare efficiencies - Wh per distance unit.
> ----------------------
>
> Some would argue that Joules are a much better representation of energy use
> than watts or watt/hours.
>
> Anyone care to give a detailed comparative analysis? :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA
>
> Updated!
> My Electric Vehicle Pages:
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
>
> Informative Electric Vehicle Links:
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms all in one place at MSN Money!
> http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp
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The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a
capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
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Ken Trough wrote:
>
> > one more day in front of the TV crew and I will be back to toss Green
> > boxes together.
>
> Does this statement indicate that Discovery is doing more filming for
> the pilot, or has the show been picked up for more episodes?
>
> -Ken Trough
> Publisher - V is for Voltage Magazine
> http://visforvoltage.com
> 24 hour AIM - ktrough
> 24 hour message center - 866-872-8901
More filming and actual lines to be read...
It looks like air date is now in early May....
--
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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Paul G wrote:
>
> >Just to understand: The regulators start to bypass at 13.6, but
> >continue to allow some current to the battery up ito 15 volts? Or do
> >they just bypass all current around the battery?
>
> Lee's reg starts bypassing some current at about 13.6 volts and
> bypasses a peak of 1/2 amp (more or less). The circuit is in parallel
> with the battery so the battery is charging and the reg is bypassing
> at the same time (because if current was no longer flowing into the
> battery its voltage would drop below 13.6 volts).
>
> Rudman regs have a hard turn on point (user adjustable) and bypass
> whatever their load will pass at the set voltage point. This can be
> more than the charging current (most often near the end of charge) so
> they can not only take all the charge current off of that battery
> they can also discharge is a little (causing the voltage to quickly
> sink below the set point, turning the reg turns back off).
>
> Neon
This is of course true for Mk1 loadless Regs, and MK2 loadless with BIG
bypass power resistors.
A Reg is easy to design, a lot harder to cool, and keep from frying if
the Charger amps are not brought down.
With 75 amp chargers leaving here, you really should have the RegBuss
hooked up, and active.
Even the 20 and 30s can over heat Reg of anysort in just afew minutes.
So... Whimpy Regs, have a kinda limited usefullness....
On a Variac charger at the far end of a charge when things have settled
down to the milliamp range , Whimpy Regs are worth the effort.
--
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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A little browsing and I see that Whistler Investments is using li-ion
technology from Lithium House. Does anyone know anything about their
products? I see they have US distribution partners in Hillsboro Oregon and
Raleigh NC. Corporate office is in Van Nuys, Calif.
Website is www.litihiumhouse.com
They list a number of packs ranging from 4V to 140V. But I can't find any
more specs on them, such as Ah, nominal current, max current, etc.
--- Peri Hartman
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From: "Brad Waddell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, 29 March, 2004 18:26
Subject: Press release from Whistler about upcoming Lion EV 200 mi range
> Anyone in Vancouver Canada able to make this conference this weekend and
> corner this dude on some specifics? They promise everything in their press
> release....
>
>
> Press Release Source: Whistler Investments, Inc.
>
> Whistler Investments, Inc.'s (WHIS) subsidiaries to showcase their R-Car,
> All-Terrain Vehicles (ATVs), Lithium Power Paks and other revolutionary
> products at the upcoming GLOBE 2004 Conference
> Monday March 29, 10:54 am ET
>
> LAS VEGAS, NV, March 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ - Whistler Investments, Inc
> (OTCBB: WHIS - News) - an emerging leader in the development and marketing
> of lithium ion vehicles, lithium ion powered technology and products
> worldwide, is pleased to announce that Global Electric and R Car will be
> unveiling several exciting prototypes at the upcoming GLOBE 2004
Conference
> being held in Vancouver, British Columbia, March 31 - April 2nd at the
> Vancouver Convention Centre.
>
> R-Electric Car Company's (http://www.r-electriccar.com) revolutionary
R-Car
> and ATV will be making their debut at GLOBE 2004. The R-Car capability
> includes the ability to travel in excess of 200 miles without the need to
> recharge, and offers a five-speed gearbox that allows the car to
accelerate
> to speeds exceeding 90 MPH. In addition, our engineers have re-designed
the
> charging capabilities. Consumers now have the ability to achieve a full
> charge in 3-5 hours and the ability to recharge over 1000 times. By adding
> more battery packs, consumers can substantially increase their range in
the
> R-Car.
>
> The two-person ATV offers a two-hour range on a flat surface and speeds
> reaching up to 35-40 MPH depending on the terrain. The ATV can climb steep
> hills, traverse rocky areas, standing water and swamps, is ideal for use
in
> the backcountry or off-road areas making it the ideal choice for ranchers,
> hunters and nature lovers alike. The lithium ion powered ATV eliminates
the
> threat of forest fires caused by gasoline powered ATVs, and allows
> consumers to reach destinations where the standard gasoline powered ATVs
> are restricted
> - a true All-Terrain Vehicle that can be used anywhere.
>
> Global Electric Corporation's (http://www.globalelectric.com) conversion
of
> the motorcycle and bicycle will also be making their debut at GLOBE 2004.
> The lithium ion converted motorcycle offers the ability to accelerate to
> speeds exceeding 50 MPH, can travel over 100 miles without the need to
> recharge, and the ability to fully charge in 1-3 hours. The lithium ion
> converted bicycle can travel at speeds over 15 MPH, travel for over two
> hours without the need to recharge and needs only 1-2 hours to recharge.
>
> As demand for portability increases, Global Electric's development and
> implementation of the Lithium Portable Power Pak will cater to the ever-
> increasing needs of today's consumers looking to gain maximum duration and
> use from their laptops, cell phones and digital cameras. With many other
> portable devices currently in widespread use, the Lithium Portable Power
> Pak will add an additional 8-12 hours of use time to products such as
> Notebook PCs, DVD players and other high end toys while allowing consumers
> the ability to charge cell phones through their USB ports while using
their
> computers in any wireless setting.
>
> Whistler Investments is proud to be at the forefront of this revolutionary
> and exciting lithium ion powered technology and encourage you to visit our
> booth (No. 325) at GLOBE 2004 to witness first hand a demonstration of our
> products, and to attend "The Power of Lithium and Global Electric
> Transportation" luncheon with our technology founder, Mr. Chaz Haba. Do
not
> miss this extraordinary opportunity to speak personally with Mr. Haba
about
> his vision for a zero emissions lifestyle. As seating is limited and
> tickets must be reserved in advance, please email:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details.
>
> Holly Roseberry, President of Whistler states: "Our team is ecstatic to
> show the world our cutting-edge technology and invite everyone for a live
> demonstration of our revolutionary products at GLOBE 2004".
>
> About Whistler Investments, Inc.
>
> Whistler Investments Inc. (OTCBB: WHIS - News) - is an emerging leader in
> the development and marketing of lithium ion vehicles and lithium ion
> powered technology and products worldwide. With the global focus moving
> rapidly towards addressing pollution, the need for sustainable zero
> emission energy is current and we at Whistler believe our superior
> technology, coupled with an aggressive marketing plan, will establish our
> company and its subsidiaries on the world stage. As current legislation is
> dictating a move toward this type of energy, we foresee this industry as
> one of the fastest growing segments within the global economy. For
complete
> information, please visit our website at
http://www.whistlerinvestments.com.
>
> About Globe 2004
>
> Over the past decade, the GLOBE(TM) Series has emerged as one of the most
> well-known and prestigious business and environment events in the world.
An
> international crossroads and marketplace, the GLOBE(TM) Series focuses on
> developing the business of the environment and serves as an important
> global platform for Canada to showcase its capabilities in environmental
> management and technology. Senior business executives and government
> officials from over 75 nations meet every two years at this exciting forum
> to exchange ideas, cultivate partnerships and do business. First launched
> in 1990, GLOBE biennial events each generate more than $425 million in
> business and host nearly 10,000 participants. For more information, please
> visit http://www.globe2004.com.
> GLOBE 2004
> March 31 - April 2, 2004
> Vancouver Convention & Exhibition Centre
> 999 Canada Place
> Vancouver, BC, Canada
>
>
> SOURCE: Whistler Investments, Inc.
> Holly Roseberry, President
>
>
> Forward Looking Statement
>
> This press release may include forward-looking statements within the
> meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E
of
> the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. These statements are based on
the
> Company's current expectations as to future events. However, the
> forward-looking events and circumstances discussed in this press
release
> might not occur, and actual results could differ materially from
those
> anticipated or implied in the forward-looking statements.
>
>
> Brad Waddell ** FLEXquarters.com LLC ** voice-mail/fax: 602-532-7019
> Postal: 6965 El Camino Real Ste 105 #488 Carlsbad CA 92009 USA
> Plug-in to your QuickBooks data at www.qodbc.com
>
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Hmmm.. still tempting. I'm in for a few bucks on chargers off eBay and
can rationalize that as educational even if it never works and/or the
maker doesn't respond. But... $10K is a lot to gamble.
Scary things for me are:
* 336 volts - I need to get my head around playing with that type of voltage
* Need for a custom motor adapter. Nothing like being the first on the
block to make something.
* "Sold "As-Is". No warranties expressed or implied." Big Gulp!
If I follow things correctly, this might be a first generation unit
which does not have the integrated charger / Bidirectional AC power
interface that the later units have?
Also interesting that it appears to be air cooled... wonder how long it
can really sustain the 150 kW peaks with just the fans? By weight, the
motor isn't much bigger than the water cooled Seimens rated 18 KW cont,
78 KW max. Odd.
Jorg Brown wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=246900774
<Snip>
It isn't one-of-a-kind. I know - I have one, too. The eBay price is
less than what I paid for mine, and a lot less than what they cost new
(they were originally over $30,000) There is a third in a tZero in
Northern California, and ACP built a number of them into cars
custom-made for people who wanted a specific car (VW Golf among them)
converted.
Support is only a phone call / e-mail away. Start with
www.acpropulsion.com 's "How to Contact Us" links... they're pretty
responsive.
jorg
ps In case it hasn't mentioned, this is the same controller/motor combo
used in the tZero. I'm building mine into a 914, which is notably
heavier than a tZero but, hey, I can live with 0-60 in 5 seconds instead
of 4...
_________
Jim Coate
1970's Elec-Trak
1992 Chevy S-10 BEV
1997 Chevy S-10 NGV
http://www.eeevee.com
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> Roderick
> "Suck Amps EV Racing"
Just got off the Cell with Rod....
He now Knows about "Torque Steer" That funny feeling of not knowing
Which Ditch a OVER powered front driver wants to hide in.
Goldie drives just like this... hops from tire to tire, and trys to take
your wrists off with the steering wheel.
"We must have twice the torque we did at Vegas"
Yea Rod... we have a good motor now, and I gave you 1800 motor amps on
it.
And he barked the back belts... again, Down to 2.375 Back drive belts
now.
Chain
Chain
Chain!!!
Three in a Row and on each side.
Oh yea and Brakes please.
There's a fine line between Brass Balls and stupidity.
--
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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Hi all
I got the DC /DC form Hosfelt electronics www.hosfelt.com , I've tried a few
and some work and other don't , but they are cheap $8 , as surplus , it's a
5v and 15-+ (cat no, 56-772 ) I just use the 15v and have 2 diodes in line
with the 15v + output which drops the voltage to 13.6 . output is 2.5 amps
which is used to charge a small 12v wheel chair battery . If they have a
switch to switch between 120 240 , these don't always work as they have a
voltage doubler circuit on the 120 end and need ac. Look for something that
says 100-240vac , . I have not had much luck with getting more that 13v form
a 12 supply or with putting 3 5v together.
Steve Clunn
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From: "Doug Weathers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: DC-DC Converter
> > David Brandt wrote:
> >
> >> What is everybody doing for DC/DC's, anyhow?
> >
>
> I notice that one of Steve Clunn's rigs in the EV Album uses a computer
> power supply, as does one other car by Dave Anderson. How does that
> work? I assume you'd have to hack on it a little to get more than 12v
> out of it.
>
> --
> Doug Weathers
> Bend, OR, USA
> http://learn-something.blogsite.org
>
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The website lists the current rating for each battery along with its weight
and voltage and number of cells.
I did not see an indication of the capacity or the recharge time.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peri Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Press release from Whistler about upcoming Lion EV 200 mi range
> A little browsing and I see that Whistler Investments is using li-ion
> technology from Lithium House. Does anyone know anything about their
> products? I see they have US distribution partners in Hillsboro Oregon
and
> Raleigh NC. Corporate office is in Van Nuys, Calif.
>
> Website is www.litihiumhouse.com
>
> They list a number of packs ranging from 4V to 140V. But I can't find any
> more specs on them, such as Ah, nominal current, max current, etc.
>
> --- Peri Hartman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brad Waddell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, 29 March, 2004 18:26
> Subject: Press release from Whistler about upcoming Lion EV 200 mi range
>
>
> > Anyone in Vancouver Canada able to make this conference this weekend and
> > corner this dude on some specifics? They promise everything in their
press
> > release....
> >
> >
> > Press Release Source: Whistler Investments, Inc.
> >
> > Whistler Investments, Inc.'s (WHIS) subsidiaries to showcase their
R-Car,
> > All-Terrain Vehicles (ATVs), Lithium Power Paks and other revolutionary
> > products at the upcoming GLOBE 2004 Conference
> > Monday March 29, 10:54 am ET
> >
> > LAS VEGAS, NV, March 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ - Whistler Investments,
Inc
> > (OTCBB: WHIS - News) - an emerging leader in the development and
marketing
> > of lithium ion vehicles, lithium ion powered technology and products
> > worldwide, is pleased to announce that Global Electric and R Car will be
> > unveiling several exciting prototypes at the upcoming GLOBE 2004
> Conference
> > being held in Vancouver, British Columbia, March 31 - April 2nd at the
> > Vancouver Convention Centre.
> >
> > R-Electric Car Company's (http://www.r-electriccar.com) revolutionary
> R-Car
> > and ATV will be making their debut at GLOBE 2004. The R-Car capability
> > includes the ability to travel in excess of 200 miles without the need
to
> > recharge, and offers a five-speed gearbox that allows the car to
> accelerate
> > to speeds exceeding 90 MPH. In addition, our engineers have re-designed
> the
> > charging capabilities. Consumers now have the ability to achieve a full
> > charge in 3-5 hours and the ability to recharge over 1000 times. By
adding
> > more battery packs, consumers can substantially increase their range in
> the
> > R-Car.
> >
> > The two-person ATV offers a two-hour range on a flat surface and speeds
> > reaching up to 35-40 MPH depending on the terrain. The ATV can climb
steep
> > hills, traverse rocky areas, standing water and swamps, is ideal for use
> in
> > the backcountry or off-road areas making it the ideal choice for
ranchers,
> > hunters and nature lovers alike. The lithium ion powered ATV eliminates
> the
> > threat of forest fires caused by gasoline powered ATVs, and allows
> > consumers to reach destinations where the standard gasoline powered ATVs
> > are restricted
> > - a true All-Terrain Vehicle that can be used anywhere.
> >
> > Global Electric Corporation's (http://www.globalelectric.com) conversion
> of
> > the motorcycle and bicycle will also be making their debut at GLOBE
2004.
> > The lithium ion converted motorcycle offers the ability to accelerate to
> > speeds exceeding 50 MPH, can travel over 100 miles without the need to
> > recharge, and the ability to fully charge in 1-3 hours. The lithium ion
> > converted bicycle can travel at speeds over 15 MPH, travel for over two
> > hours without the need to recharge and needs only 1-2 hours to recharge.
> >
> > As demand for portability increases, Global Electric's development and
> > implementation of the Lithium Portable Power Pak will cater to the ever-
> > increasing needs of today's consumers looking to gain maximum duration
and
> > use from their laptops, cell phones and digital cameras. With many other
> > portable devices currently in widespread use, the Lithium Portable Power
> > Pak will add an additional 8-12 hours of use time to products such as
> > Notebook PCs, DVD players and other high end toys while allowing
consumers
> > the ability to charge cell phones through their USB ports while using
> their
> > computers in any wireless setting.
> >
> > Whistler Investments is proud to be at the forefront of this
revolutionary
> > and exciting lithium ion powered technology and encourage you to visit
our
> > booth (No. 325) at GLOBE 2004 to witness first hand a demonstration of
our
> > products, and to attend "The Power of Lithium and Global Electric
> > Transportation" luncheon with our technology founder, Mr. Chaz Haba. Do
> not
> > miss this extraordinary opportunity to speak personally with Mr. Haba
> about
> > his vision for a zero emissions lifestyle. As seating is limited and
> > tickets must be reserved in advance, please email:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details.
> >
> > Holly Roseberry, President of Whistler states: "Our team is ecstatic to
> > show the world our cutting-edge technology and invite everyone for a
live
> > demonstration of our revolutionary products at GLOBE 2004".
> >
> > About Whistler Investments, Inc.
> >
> > Whistler Investments Inc. (OTCBB: WHIS - News) - is an emerging leader
in
> > the development and marketing of lithium ion vehicles and lithium ion
> > powered technology and products worldwide. With the global focus moving
> > rapidly towards addressing pollution, the need for sustainable zero
> > emission energy is current and we at Whistler believe our superior
> > technology, coupled with an aggressive marketing plan, will establish
our
> > company and its subsidiaries on the world stage. As current legislation
is
> > dictating a move toward this type of energy, we foresee this industry as
> > one of the fastest growing segments within the global economy. For
> complete
> > information, please visit our website at
> http://www.whistlerinvestments.com.
> >
> > About Globe 2004
> >
> > Over the past decade, the GLOBE(TM) Series has emerged as one of the
most
> > well-known and prestigious business and environment events in the world.
> An
> > international crossroads and marketplace, the GLOBE(TM) Series focuses
on
> > developing the business of the environment and serves as an important
> > global platform for Canada to showcase its capabilities in environmental
> > management and technology. Senior business executives and government
> > officials from over 75 nations meet every two years at this exciting
forum
> > to exchange ideas, cultivate partnerships and do business. First
launched
> > in 1990, GLOBE biennial events each generate more than $425 million in
> > business and host nearly 10,000 participants. For more information,
please
> > visit http://www.globe2004.com.
> > GLOBE 2004
> > March 31 - April 2, 2004
> > Vancouver Convention & Exhibition Centre
> > 999 Canada Place
> > Vancouver, BC, Canada
> >
> >
> > SOURCE: Whistler Investments, Inc.
> > Holly Roseberry, President
> >
> >
> > Forward Looking Statement
> >
> > This press release may include forward-looking statements within
the
> > meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section
21E
> of
> > the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. These statements are based on
> the
> > Company's current expectations as to future events. However, the
> > forward-looking events and circumstances discussed in this press
> release
> > might not occur, and actual results could differ materially from
> those
> > anticipated or implied in the forward-looking statements.
> >
> >
> > Brad Waddell ** FLEXquarters.com LLC ** voice-mail/fax: 602-532-7019
> > Postal: 6965 El Camino Real Ste 105 #488 Carlsbad CA 92009 USA
> > Plug-in to your QuickBooks data at www.qodbc.com
> >
>
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Fellow EV drivers.
I have nothing to do with JB except he makes a dam good monitor and I
want my own.
Having seen it first hand you would want one to.
You should really consider this item for your EV.
http://www.jstraubel.com/batbox/monitor.htm
JB is a brilliant engineering student at Stanford and has made a low
cost for what it does battery monitor system.
Really it is so slick because you can tell visually at a glance on a
much granular level about the state of each battery under load and if
they are being charged properly. It's so sweet seeing the graph display
15 AGM's on one little screen I saw them at Ed Thorpe's house last Sat.
Craftsmanship is excellent.
Implementation is simple.
But JB can only do so many to make it worth the time and hold the cost.
I have contacted him today and to see if he is taking request for
another run and have requested two for myself.
He is trying to get a few more so he can justified another production
run.
If you don't order yours for yourself you may miss out.
This is a great way to protect your battery investment and keep your EV
driving on the road.
Don't lose out and regret not being able to have obtained this fine tool
that is truly unique and super useful.
Do I sound like shameless advertisement or what.
Danny Ames
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Thanks for promoting this Danny, its way cool and JB should be very proud of
such a nicely done and potentially useful product. I just wish it could
handle more than 13 batteries so it would be useful for my apps. I can see a
use for something like this both in my G-van and on the bench. I think a way
to graphically monitor each battery while under load would be very useful in
making up packs and in ones EV to prevent early battery death. Good luck in
your endeavor Joseph. Regards, David Chapman.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Danny Ames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV SEND MSG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:06 AM
Subject: Hot EV BMS tool - Battery Monitor System from JB - shameless plug
> Fellow EV drivers.
> I have nothing to do with JB except he makes a dam good monitor and I
> want my own.
> Having seen it first hand you would want one to.
> You should really consider this item for your EV.
> http://www.jstraubel.com/batbox/monitor.htm
> JB is a brilliant engineering student at Stanford and has made a low
> cost for what it does battery monitor system.
> Really it is so slick because you can tell visually at a glance on a
> much granular level about the state of each battery under load and if
> they are being charged properly. It's so sweet seeing the graph display
> 15 AGM's on one little screen I saw them at Ed Thorpe's house last Sat.
> Craftsmanship is excellent.
> Implementation is simple.
> But JB can only do so many to make it worth the time and hold the cost.
> I have contacted him today and to see if he is taking request for
> another run and have requested two for myself.
> He is trying to get a few more so he can justified another production
> run.
> If you don't order yours for yourself you may miss out.
> This is a great way to protect your battery investment and keep your EV
> driving on the road.
> Don't lose out and regret not being able to have obtained this fine tool
> that is truly unique and super useful.
> Do I sound like shameless advertisement or what.
> Danny Ames
>
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