EV Digest 3431
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: "Gone Postal" update, comments/CHAIN
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2) EVLN(EV Lessees want them; carmakers prefer crushing them)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Auburn controller ID?
by Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: "Gone Postal" update, comments/CHAIN
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) conEV: X-trail fcv limited lease
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) AMP connectors
by "Christopher Zach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Hot EV BMS tool - Battery Monitor System from JB - shameless
plug
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) RE: AMP connectors
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: ACPropulsion combo on eBay
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Hot EV BMS tool - Battery Monitor System from JB - shameless plug
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: EVLN(EV Lessees want them; carmakers prefer crushing them)
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: conEV: X-trail fcv limited lease
by Sam Thurber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Battery Monitor System
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: conEV: X-trail fcv limited lease
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) EVLN(Arnold likes big-n-heavy hybrid trucks)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Models burned down house still around.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: Models burned down house still around.
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: AMP connectors
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) EVLN(Honda targets SUV hybrid vehicle)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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THE FACTS
-Rich and others,I use
630 top fuel bike chain that costs $1.92 a link.
-The CE can run 50, 8.8 sec.runs on this chain.At
its 12.99 bracket time, 300+runs.
-Rod when my chain/sprockets are properly aligned they make little
noise. (caution aligned stactic and aligned under load may be 2 different setups.)
-Pingel sells 630 chain rated at 31000 ft.lbs.
-I
have broken 1 chain in thousands of runs,but severly streched many
.-I preload my chain on the line to
prevent chain slap which could break or prematurly strech it
Dennis Kilowatt Berube
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EVLN(EV Lessees want them; carmakers prefer crushing them)
[The Internet Electric Vehicle List News. For Public EV
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/03/28/BUGK95RKUV1.DTL&type=business
Ford, GM pull plug on electric vehicles
Lessees want them; carmakers prefer crushing them
Chris Dixon, New York Times
Sunday, March 28, 2004
Los Angeles -- Five to 10 years ago, when the future seemed to
belong to electric cars -- and California clean-air rules forced
reluctant automakers to offer them -- a small but enthusiastic
group
of optimists and environmentalists signed on as pioneers. While
a
few bought electrics outright, most signed leases that obliged
them
to return the vehicles after a few years.
Regulators and auto manufacturers have since pinned their hopes
on
newer technologies, like hybrid gasoline-electric vehicles and,
further in the future, hydrogen cars. Electric autos have become
orphans, abandoned in favor of more promising offspring.
Parental neglect has, in fact, turned into infanticide. General
Motors and Ford are taking back electric vehicles when the
leases
expire -- not to resell them, but in many cases to crush them.
The companies have refused to sell them to leaseholders, saying
there are not enough on the road to justify the cost of
maintaining
them, and the automakers want to avoid liability for any
problems
that might arise. They see electric cars as an interesting but
failed experiment that taught valuable lessons for the future.
But some drivers, upset at losing their cheap-running,
zero-emission
cars even as gasoline prices jump, are fighting back.
One Ford lessee, William Korthof, has hired a Los Angeles civil
rights lawyer, Nora Quinn, to press his case. She says she may
file
a class-action lawsuit against GM and Ford on behalf of lessees
who
want to keep their electric vehicles.
"I am personally, morally offended by the idea that they would
destroy these functional vehicles that have such a positive
environmental impact," Quinn said.
Ray Levinson of San Francisco says he may also retain Quinn. Not
only does he drive a Ford Ranger EV pickup, he has compiled a
long,
green resume as an environmental programs manager for the U.S.
Postal Service on the West Coast.
In 2000, he organized an initiative that put 500 electric postal
trucks on Southern California streets; he later oversaw a
project to
install a huge solar-power system atop a postal distribution
center.
Although Levinson's lease ran out on Feb. 25, he has refused to
return his 2000-model truck. He said that before the lease
expired,
he sought to buy the truck for the $7,000 residual value
indicated
on his contract. "The next day," he said, "I got a call back
that
said, nope, no option, turn it in."
Ford's response is similar to that of GM, which has quietly
reclaimed most of its ground-breaking EV-1 electric cars from
some
800 lessees since production ended in 2000. GM has crushed many
of
the cars, undeterred by rallies and mock funerals organized by
the
EV-1's devoted fans.
After spending $1 billion to develop the bullet-shaped electric
speedster, GM canceled the EV-1 program after building about
1,000
cars. Dave Barthmuss, an environmental manager at the company,
said
that although many EV-1 lessees loved the car, it didn't make
enough
money and cost too much to keep on the road.
"But we've learned a heck of a lot from the EV-1 in terms of
technology transfer and what is necessary to sell advanced
vehicles
like hybrids and fuel cells," he said.
Barthmuss added that although many cars were crushed, vital
parts
were retained for the 100 or so that remain in private hands
until
all leases end in August. Other EV-1 vehicles will live on in
museums or as university research vehicles; about 80 are being
used
in cold-weather battery testing.
Most of Ford's 1,500 Ranger EV's went to commercial fleets,
including those of Vandenberg Air Force Base and Southern
California
Edison, but Ford also leased about 200 to individuals and sold a
few. Only 180 or so remain in fleets; about a dozen are still in
private hands.
Several Californians who leased Rangers, including Korthof of
Pomona
(Los Angeles County), who installs solar panels, and Dave Raboy,
a
rancher in Catheys Valley (Mariposa County), near Yosemite,
received
letters from Ford offering to let them buy their vehicles when
the
leases expired. But they said that when they tried to exercise
this
option, they were turned down.
In December, Korthof became so angry at the prospect of giving
up
his beloved Ranger EV that he retained Quinn. She cited several
grounds for a possible lawsuit, asserting that contrary to
Ford's
assertions, several lessees were not told they couldn't buy
their
Rangers when the leases ended. She said Ranger and EV-1 drivers
had
no other options if they wished to drive electric vehicles. And
she
asserted that EV-1 lessees were being required to pay for wear
and
tear on cars that had already been crushed.
The impetus to sell electric vehicles in California came in 1990
with a state mandate that 2 percent of automakers' sales had to
be
zero-emission vehicles, called ZEVs, by 1998. The mandate was to
rise to 10 percent by 2003.
Automakers bitterly fought the requirement, arguing that it
unreasonably manipulated the marketplace and forced consumers to
buy
vehicles for which they had shown relatively little appetite --
no
surprise, given the long charging times and limited driving
range of
the cars.
In 2003, facing the prospect of prolonged litigation with GM,
California regulators backed down, altering the ZEV mandate to
include hybrids as well as hydrogen vehicles.
Korthof said his Ranger was a perfect match for his solar-panel
business, since he can charge it using his own panels.
When his lease ended in December, Korthof refused to return the
truck and continued to make the $480 monthly lease payments.
After
what he described as several angry calls from the company, his
lawyer, Quinn, contacted Ford. She said Ford would not agree to
let
her client keep the truck even if he signed a waiver agreeing to
assume responsibility for its upkeep. But Ford has since left
Korthof alone and is accepting his payments.
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I'm helping a local EVer (Dan Shoop) get his car on the road. He has
an Auburn controller but we don't know if it's an analog or digital
model, so we don't know which wiring schematic to use (he has printed
instructions for both models). If Dan has the digital controller, we
would like to take advantage of the precharge control line.
How does one ID these controllers? We couldn't find obvious markings
on the case other than a fairly vanilla-looking label.
Ralph
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Thanks Dennis for the facts! Loading definitely will affect alignment. The
further your sprocket is from support bearings can also effect this due to
minor flexing of an axle under load. Just as your car has gone through
enormous amounts of engineering changes as you learn more things the more
time you spend on the track, and you are definitely the king of time spent
on the track for electrics, so too will "Gone Postal" go through many
engineering changes.
Roderick
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: "Gone Postal" update, comments/CHAIN
> THE FACTS
> -Rich and others,I
use
> 630 top fuel bike chain that costs $1.92 a link.
> -The CE can run 50, 8.8 sec.runs on this
chain.At
> its 12.99 bracket time, 300+runs.
> -Rod when my chain/sprockets are properly aligned they make little
> noise. (caution aligned stactic and aligned under load may be 2 different
setups.)
>
> -Pingel sells 630 chain rated at 31000 ft.lbs.
>
-I
> have broken 1 chain in thousands of runs,but severly streched many
> .-I preload my chain on the line
to
> prevent chain slap which could break or prematurly strech it
> Dennis Kilowatt Berube
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The EV List members asked me to notify the EV List when
there were fcv milestones. Nissan has released their
X-trail as a limited lease. What this means is few will
get them at first, and it is likely only certain companies
or organizations will get them.
This is likely much like what happened when the first
Production EVs were first released on a limited lease. ARB's
and Utilities got them while the public was left to salivate
out in the cold.
Newswire reports state Nissan is pushing forward to
promote this model fcv. Since Honda fcv is already touring
LA roads, playing PR catch-up is the name of the game.
The limited release POST can be seen on group I created for
x-trail fcv drivers:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/x-trail_fcv/
As time progresses and fcvs get into the public's hands, I fear
EVs will be drowned out and lost in the media's fcv and hybrid
PR noise.
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Question: I need to install a 50 pin waterproof (small flexible conduit)
connector on the front of my battery pack to measure voltages. The wires
will have up to a 390 volt differential between them.
What is the best source for AMP connectors like this?
Chris
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David Chapman wrote:
Thanks for promoting this Danny, its way cool and JB should be very proud of
such a nicely done and potentially useful product. I just wish it could
handle more than 13 batteries so it would be useful for my apps. I can see a
use for something like this both in my G-van and on the bench.
Mine will do up to 128 batteries:
http://www.metricmind.com/images/lcdpage3.jpg
I wish it would be ready, but it's perhaps less than half way to be a
finished product.
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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What about two 25-pin connectors? Still have the same potential issue,
depending on how you split up your 2-pack configuration.
-Ed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Christopher Zach
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: AMP connectors
Question: I need to install a 50 pin waterproof (small flexible conduit)
connector on the front of my battery pack to measure voltages. The wires
will have up to a 390 volt differential between them.
What is the best source for AMP connectors like this?
Chris
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Jorg Brown wrote:
One thing that makes the ACP drive a little more interesting is that
there's an insulation issue - something about the case of the motor
should not make electrical contact with the car chassis.
It is not a problem for tzero with plastic body.
But it will be for you if a regular car is used.
If I follow things correctly, this might be a first generation
unit which does not have the integrated charger / Bidirectional
AC power interface that the later units have?
Half correct. They have an integrated charger, but it's not
bidirectional: you can't plug your TV into your car in this version.
The first girst gen was 100 kW system. This one is second gen.
>
Also interesting that it appears to be air cooled... wonder how
long it can really sustain the 150 kW peaks with just the fans?
By weight, the motor isn't much bigger than the water cooled
Seimens rated 18 KW cont, 78 KW max. Odd.
How long were you thinking of driving around with your foot to the
floor? 150kW == 200HP gets the tZero to 90mph in something like 9
seconds. The continuous power output is 50kW.
The same applies to any system, Siemens included.
You can sustain 50 kW for 5135 motor for as long as you need -
just pump the water in. The same for ACP, just instrad of scilent
water pump you got hurricane blowers for motor and inverter.
My point is, peak power demand is usually short.
However, Boston driving of 2 ton rigs at 70 MPH up 10% grade
was mentioned. Sorry, ACP system won't help here.
Single Siemens system also will not sustain it for long
(it will for 3 min, which is 3.5 miles long hill for
this speed), but it is far easier to cool off water cooled
system - all you need is larger radiator and water flow.
Also, you always can use 2 motors (systems) as Cliff did.
Well, I suppose you could use two ACP systems as well,
but it's far more wasteful.
Also be aware that the motor can probably handle the load the easiest of
all the components. The heat is also an issue for the controller and
the batteries, and if you were really wanting 150kW continuous, your
batteries would be bubbling or bursting. (Unless you had a whole
ton'o'batteries with you...)
I agree that for these conditions the battery is the
main limitation. Show me the battery outputting
150 kW (450 A at 336V) for 5 min without noticeable sag.
Not to mention that this is almost 40Ah run, so with
336V single optima string your "range" uphill will be
less than 3 miles.
I just don't want you to analyze the situation
not say later, Damn, damn, what the %#$@ I bought this
thing for?
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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Very nice Victor, will be quite something when its done. Only problem (for
me at least) is how do you tell which battery is which quickly and clearly?
Count across? Or do you have some type of software programming that will
display a battery # that is below a certain threshold? Yours is probably the
cats meow for the guys with oodles of batts. Good luck with your project.
Regards, David Chapman.
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From: "Victor Tikhonov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Hot EV BMS tool - Battery Monitor System from JB - shameless
plug
> David Chapman wrote:
>
> > Thanks for promoting this Danny, its way cool and JB should be very
proud of
> > such a nicely done and potentially useful product. I just wish it could
> > handle more than 13 batteries so it would be useful for my apps. I can
see a
> > use for something like this both in my G-van and on the bench.
>
> Mine will do up to 128 batteries:
> http://www.metricmind.com/images/lcdpage3.jpg
>
> I wish it would be ready, but it's perhaps less than half way to be a
> finished product.
>
> --
> Victor
> '91 ACRX - something different
>
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Gee I wonder if this Nora Quinn would go after the State of AZ for the $ 20K
+ that they owe me for my propane bus and my Jet Electrica? That would sure
solve my G-vans battery problems. David Chapman.
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From: "Bruce EVangel Parmenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:53 PM
Subject: EVLN(EV Lessees want them; carmakers prefer crushing them)
> EVLN(EV Lessees want them; carmakers prefer crushing them)
> [The Internet Electric Vehicle List News. For Public EV
> informational purposes. Contact publication for reprint rights.]
> --- {EVangel}
>
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/03/28/BUGK95RKUV1.DTL&type=business
> Ford, GM pull plug on electric vehicles
> Lessees want them; carmakers prefer crushing them
> Chris Dixon, New York Times
> Sunday, March 28, 2004
>
> Los Angeles -- Five to 10 years ago, when the future seemed to
> belong to electric cars -- and California clean-air rules forced
> reluctant automakers to offer them -- a small but enthusiastic
> group
> of optimists and environmentalists signed on as pioneers. While
> a
> few bought electrics outright, most signed leases that obliged
> them
> to return the vehicles after a few years.
>
> Regulators and auto manufacturers have since pinned their hopes
> on
> newer technologies, like hybrid gasoline-electric vehicles and,
> further in the future, hydrogen cars. Electric autos have become
> orphans, abandoned in favor of more promising offspring.
>
> Parental neglect has, in fact, turned into infanticide. General
> Motors and Ford are taking back electric vehicles when the
> leases
> expire -- not to resell them, but in many cases to crush them.
>
> The companies have refused to sell them to leaseholders, saying
> there are not enough on the road to justify the cost of
> maintaining
> them, and the automakers want to avoid liability for any
> problems
> that might arise. They see electric cars as an interesting but
> failed experiment that taught valuable lessons for the future.
>
> But some drivers, upset at losing their cheap-running,
> zero-emission
> cars even as gasoline prices jump, are fighting back.
>
> One Ford lessee, William Korthof, has hired a Los Angeles civil
> rights lawyer, Nora Quinn, to press his case. She says she may
> file
> a class-action lawsuit against GM and Ford on behalf of lessees
> who
> want to keep their electric vehicles.
>
> "I am personally, morally offended by the idea that they would
> destroy these functional vehicles that have such a positive
> environmental impact," Quinn said.
>
> Ray Levinson of San Francisco says he may also retain Quinn. Not
> only does he drive a Ford Ranger EV pickup, he has compiled a
> long,
> green resume as an environmental programs manager for the U.S.
> Postal Service on the West Coast.
>
> In 2000, he organized an initiative that put 500 electric postal
> trucks on Southern California streets; he later oversaw a
> project to
> install a huge solar-power system atop a postal distribution
> center.
>
> Although Levinson's lease ran out on Feb. 25, he has refused to
> return his 2000-model truck. He said that before the lease
> expired,
> he sought to buy the truck for the $7,000 residual value
> indicated
> on his contract. "The next day," he said, "I got a call back
> that
> said, nope, no option, turn it in."
>
> Ford's response is similar to that of GM, which has quietly
> reclaimed most of its ground-breaking EV-1 electric cars from
> some
> 800 lessees since production ended in 2000. GM has crushed many
> of
> the cars, undeterred by rallies and mock funerals organized by
> the
> EV-1's devoted fans.
>
> After spending $1 billion to develop the bullet-shaped electric
> speedster, GM canceled the EV-1 program after building about
> 1,000
> cars. Dave Barthmuss, an environmental manager at the company,
> said
> that although many EV-1 lessees loved the car, it didn't make
> enough
> money and cost too much to keep on the road.
>
> "But we've learned a heck of a lot from the EV-1 in terms of
> technology transfer and what is necessary to sell advanced
> vehicles
> like hybrids and fuel cells," he said.
>
> Barthmuss added that although many cars were crushed, vital
> parts
> were retained for the 100 or so that remain in private hands
> until
> all leases end in August. Other EV-1 vehicles will live on in
> museums or as university research vehicles; about 80 are being
> used
> in cold-weather battery testing.
>
> Most of Ford's 1,500 Ranger EV's went to commercial fleets,
> including those of Vandenberg Air Force Base and Southern
> California
> Edison, but Ford also leased about 200 to individuals and sold a
> few. Only 180 or so remain in fleets; about a dozen are still in
> private hands.
>
> Several Californians who leased Rangers, including Korthof of
> Pomona
> (Los Angeles County), who installs solar panels, and Dave Raboy,
> a
> rancher in Catheys Valley (Mariposa County), near Yosemite,
> received
> letters from Ford offering to let them buy their vehicles when
> the
> leases expired. But they said that when they tried to exercise
> this
> option, they were turned down.
>
> In December, Korthof became so angry at the prospect of giving
> up
> his beloved Ranger EV that he retained Quinn. She cited several
> grounds for a possible lawsuit, asserting that contrary to
> Ford's
> assertions, several lessees were not told they couldn't buy
> their
> Rangers when the leases ended. She said Ranger and EV-1 drivers
> had
> no other options if they wished to drive electric vehicles. And
> she
> asserted that EV-1 lessees were being required to pay for wear
> and
> tear on cars that had already been crushed.
>
> The impetus to sell electric vehicles in California came in 1990
> with a state mandate that 2 percent of automakers' sales had to
> be
> zero-emission vehicles, called ZEVs, by 1998. The mandate was to
> rise to 10 percent by 2003.
>
> Automakers bitterly fought the requirement, arguing that it
> unreasonably manipulated the marketplace and forced consumers to
> buy
> vehicles for which they had shown relatively little appetite --
> no
> surprise, given the long charging times and limited driving
> range of
> the cars.
>
> In 2003, facing the prospect of prolonged litigation with GM,
> California regulators backed down, altering the ZEV mandate to
> include hybrids as well as hydrogen vehicles.
>
> Korthof said his Ranger was a perfect match for his solar-panel
> business, since he can charge it using his own panels.
>
> When his lease ended in December, Korthof refused to return the
> truck and continued to make the $480 monthly lease payments.
> After
> what he described as several angry calls from the company, his
> lawyer, Quinn, contacted Ford. She said Ford would not agree to
> let
> her client keep the truck even if he signed a waiver agreeing to
> assume responsibility for its upkeep. But Ford has since left
> Korthof alone and is accepting his payments.
>
>
>
>
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Fear not, the day any private person, or, for that
matter, any private enterprise (i.e. not a tax dollar
funded $400-hammer-govt-bureaucrat type) pays between
$250K and a cool million (depending on who you talk
to) for a fuel cell vehicle that requires fuel costing
the equivalent of $15/gallon when generated cleanly,
is the day I become a rich man. I'm sure anyone could
easily figure out a way to make a mint of such a
sucker. And no, the price of H2 FCV's won't come down
with mass production like battery EV's. Not only is
the fuel cell orders of magnitude more complex than a
battery to manufacture, it currently contains too much
platinum. Bring the price of Platinum down to the cost
of Nickel or Zinc, and these cars may have a chance of
seeing private ownership given enough miraculous
breakthroughs in hydrogen generation and storage
technology.
Yeah, I'm just a tinny bit angry that my local (Los
Angeles), state, and federal tax dollars are being
funneled into these carmarkers coffers to fund what is
no more than a very expensive greenwash of their lack
of any willingness to mass produce an affordable,
utilitarian ZEV.
--- Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As time progresses and fcvs get into the public's
> hands, I fear
> EVs will be drowned out and lost in the media's fcv
> and hybrid
> PR noise.
>
>
>
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David, let's switch to EVBMS list with this topic.
It will display separately voltage for highest voltage battery
along with its number in the string, as well as lowest battery #
and its voltage.
All those things are internally available, it's just SMOP what
I want to get displayed without making screen too crowded.
Later I may make info displayed in different portions of the screen
user selectable - for insance if you feel it's more important for
*your* pack that lowest and highest battery (or few) bars start
flash and BIG font on different page alerts you as soon as delta
from the average exceed some theshold, it can be implemented.
So, suggestions are welcome and taken into account.
I want to settle basic operation first and will keep evolving
later. I design and put together hardware. But, I'm no programmer
myself, so working with (and depend on) embedded software experts
to implement all these ideas.
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
David Chapman wrote:
Very nice Victor, will be quite something when its done. Only problem (for
me at least) is how do you tell which battery is which quickly and clearly?
Count across? Or do you have some type of software programming that will
display a battery # that is below a certain threshold? Yours is probably the
cats meow for the guys with oodles of batts. Good luck with your project.
Regards, David Chapman.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victor Tikhonov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Hot EV BMS tool - Battery Monitor System from JB - shameless
plug
Mine will do up to 128 batteries:
http://www.metricmind.com/images/lcdpage3.jpg
I wish it would be ready, but it's perhaps less than half way to be a
finished product.
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Fear not, the day any private person, or, for that
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In support, please read and save this:
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'91 ACRX - something different
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New Fedex Express Hybrid Electric Trucks Begin Service in
Sacramento
FedEx Express is pioneering clean delivery trucks in the
overnight
shipping industry.
The FedEx Express hybrid-electric vehicle (FedEx OptiFleet E700)
uses an Eaton Hybrid Drive Unit, which includes AutoClutch (AC),
motor/generator(MG), AutoShift transmission and
invertor/controls,
as well as the potential for Supervisory Power Control. Courtesy
of
Eaton Corporation.
An Eaton Fuller AutoShift medium-duty transmission is used in
the
FedEx Express hybrid electric vehicle. The transmission is
fitted
with an auto-clutch and an electric motor-generator. Courtesy of
Eaton Corporation.
Environmental Defense's Gwen Ruta and FedEx's Paul Pfluger
examine
the powertrain.
SACRAMENTO, Calif.--March 30, 2004--
Innovative Alliance Leads to Low-Emission, High-Efficiency
Vehicle
Designed to Dramatically Reduce Emissions, Save Fuel
FedEx Express, a subsidiary of FedEx Corp. , has placed into
service
the first of its new, low-emission, hybrid electric powered
delivery
vehicles in concert with the Sacramento Metropolitan Air Quality
Management District, Environmental Defense and Eaton Corporation
.
The official roll out took place at a state capitol ceremony
today
attended by California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. The FedEx
OptiFleet E700 hybrid electric vehicle will decrease particulate
emissions by 90 percent, reduce smog-causing emissions by 75
percent
and travel 50 percent farther on a gallon of fuel, reducing fuel
costs by one-third.
Two FedEx OptiFleet E700 hybrid electric vehicles have been
tested
in Sacramento since late February following an agreement with
the
Sacramento Metropolitan Air Quality Management District (AQMD)
to
demonstrate the commercial viability of the lower-emission
powertrain in heavy-duty vehicles. The project was made possible
in
part by a grant provided by the AQMD.
FedEx Express will place 18 additional hybrid electric diesel
delivery trucks into service in selected cities throughout 2004.
New
York City, Houston, Washington, D.C., Denver and several other
cities are possible locations for future rollouts of the hybrid
electric trucks. These hybrid electric vehicles will endure
real-world FedEx operating conditions during 2004 to verify and
prove their viability in commercial applications.
"FedEx Express is proud to be the first company to make a
long-term
market commitment to develop and utilize hybrid electric
delivery
trucks," said David J. Bronczek, president, FedEx Express.
"FedEx
Express recognizes effective environmental management as a
global
corporate priority, and is actively involved in environmental
innovations and technologies. Utilizing innovative technologies
such
as our hybrid electric truck, California is yet again leading
the
nation in protecting the environment," Bronczek said.
"We are proud to work with FedEx Express, Environmental Defense
and
Eaton in bringing this advanced heavy-duty hybrid technology to
Sacramento," said Norm Covell, Sacramento's Air Pollution
Control
Officer. "These clean, efficient vehicles are just another
example
of how Sacramento Metropolitan Air Quality Management District
aims
to deliver healthier air to our community. We want to thank the
members of this project for working to make this technology
commercially available so that the significant air quality and
energy efficiency improvements can benefit the broadest possible
market applications."
FedEx Express also welcomed the opportunity to work with
Environmental Defense, an organization recognized for its long
history of working with industry leaders to leverage their
purchasing power to create real environmental benefits that
protect
the bottom line.
"Four years ago Environmental Defense was looking for an
innovative
company to help us revolutionize truck technology in the U.S.
and
FedEx Express accepted that challenge," said Fred Krupp,
president,
Environmental Defense. "Today, these two trucks put Sacramento
on
the leading edge of the effort for cleaner air and better
mileage.
Environmental Defense now challenges other companies to increase
their fleet's contribution to reduced air pollution, oil
dependency
and climate change impacts."
Cleveland, Ohio-based Eaton Corporation, one of the world's most
recognized industrial manufacturers, produced the hybrid
electric
powertrain for the vehicle.
"Eaton is pleased to make this innovative, environmentally
advanced
technology available to FedEx Express and Environmental Defense
for
this ground-breaking project," said Jim Sweetnam, senior vice
president and group executive, Eaton Corporation, Truck Group.
"Our
team will continue to work closely with FedEx Express and
Environmental Defense in Sacramento and additional markets as we
take this innovative project to the next level."
Power of Innovation Produces New Vehicle
FedEx Express and Environmental Defense began working together
in
2000 to create a delivery truck that would dramatically decrease
emissions and fuel use. Through a competitive process, Eaton
Corporation was selected from more than 20 manufacturers who
expressed interest in creating a cleaner vehicle using a variety
of
technologies. Since the beginning of the project, progress
toward
goals has been assessed against the 1999 FedEx Express W700
standard
delivery vehicle, which represents the most common model in the
FedEx Express fleet.
Eaton's Innovative Technology Produces Hybrid Electric
Powertrain
Eaton's hybrid electric powertrain effectively combines a diesel
engine and electric motor to drive the vehicle. A computer
determines the most efficient combination, depending on current
operating conditions and driver demand. A four-cylinder engine
replaces the six-cylinder version currently used in the FedEx
Express W700 delivery vehicle. The engine size is reduced
because of
the added power provided by the electric motor. A particulate
trap
has been added to the truck to further reduce emissions.
Lithium-ion batteries capture and store energy during the
"regenerative braking" phase of the vehicle's operation,
providing a
source of stored electric power for the motor during future
acceleration. Therefore, all electrical charging of the battery
is
provided by the hybrid electric powertrain, and no external
electrical infrastructure, such as a power cord or electrical
outlet, is needed. This balance between conventional and
electric
technology is an innovative method to improve environmental
performance and decrease fuel use while eliminating the need for
high electrical-demand infrastructure costs. The hybrid electric
truck's operating characteristics will remain virtually
unchanged
from that of a conventionally powered FedEx Express vehicle.
Eaton's hybrid electric powertrain has been placed in the
standard
white FedEx Express W700 delivery truck, which utilizes a
Freightliner chassis. The hybrid electric delivery vehicle will
be
differentiated from the standard FedEx Express delivery vehicle
only
by an OptiFleet brand decal on the sides and rear of the
vehicle.
The hybrid electric E700 has a gross vehicle weight of
approximately
16,000 lbs. and a cargo capacity of approximately 670 cubic
feet.
About FedEx
FedEx Corp. provides customers and businesses worldwide with the
broadest portfolio of transportation, e-commerce and business
services. With annual revenues of $25 billion, the company
offers
integrated business applications through operating companies
competing collectively and managed collaboratively, under the
respected FedEx and Kinko's brands. Consistently ranked among
the
world's most admired and trusted employers, FedEx inspires its
more
than 240,000 employees and contractors to remain "absolutely,
positively" focused on safety, the highest ethical and
professional
standards and the needs of their customers and communities. For
more
information, visit fedex.com.
About Sacramento Metropolitan Air Quality Management District
The Sacramento Metropolitan Air Quality Management District
(AQMD)
works cooperatively to coordinate the efforts of local, state
and
federal government agencies, the business community, and private
citizens to achieve and maintain healthy air quality for
Sacramento.
This vision recognizes that the AQMD alone cannot achieve
healthy
air for Sacramento, but that combined with its regulatory role
and
its lead role in development of innovative programs, it can
encourage the cooperative inter-agency and public effort that
will
be required to improve air quality. For more information, visit
www.airquality.org.
About Environmental Defense
Environmental Defense, a leading national nonprofit
organization,
represents more than 400,000 members. Since 1967, Environmental
Defense has linked science, economics, law and innovative
private-sector partnerships to create breakthrough solutions to
the
most serious environmental problems. The work of Environmental
Defense in this project was supported by a lead grant over three
years from the Richard and Rhoda Goldman Fund. Additional
support
was received from the Hewlett Foundation, Oak Foundation, The
Pew
Charitable Trusts, and the David H. Smith Foundation. For more
information, visit www.environmentaldefense.org.
About Eaton Corporation
Eaton Corporation is a global diversified industrial
manufacturer
with 2003 sales of $8.1 billion that is a leader in fluid power
systems; electrical power quality, distribution and control;
automotive engine air management and powertrain controls for
fuel
economy; and intelligent drivetrain systems for fuel economy and
safety in trucks. Eaton has 51,000 employees and sells products
to
customers in more than 100 countries. Cars and Computers
Support
Industries (aluminum, logistics, robotics, etc.) Industry
Insider
Big Rigs New Vehicles Vehicles and The Environment Consumer
Affairs
California
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How is this "still around"?
07/29/2002 11:57:12 PM PDT
Internet holds lots of garbage. You can find information from late 1990's
which has long since died, but still comes up on searches. This is old
news.... let it die.
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Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 3:51 PM
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Subject: Models burned down house still around.
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Chris,
I have at least 30 pin connectors maybe more with
a waterseal that was used on golf carts/forklifts.
I also have some that where used on Caterpillar engine
compartments, very high quality.
Maybe we can work out a deal.
Rod
--- Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Question: I need to install a 50 pin waterproof
> (small flexible conduit)
> connector on the front of my battery pack to measure
> voltages. The wires
> will have up to a 390 volt differential between
> them.
>
> What is the best source for AMP connectors like
> this?
>
> Chris
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Honda targets hybrid vehicles
Kae Inoue Bloomberg News
Tuesday, March 30, 2004
It hopes low-emission SUV will help close gap with Toyota
TOKYO Honda Motor, Japan's second-largest automaker, may within five
years sell a sport utility vehicle that runs on gasoline and
electricity, helping it catch up with Toyota Motor in the market for
lower-emission vehicles.
The hybrid vehicle would feature engine technology used in its
gasoline-powered Inspire luxury sedan and Odyssey minivan to keep
fuel consumption at levels competitive with conventional autos, the
president and chief executive, Takeo Fukui, said in an interview.
Automakers are spending billions of dollars on hybrid or fuel-cell
powered cars as emission laws tighten. Tokyo-based Honda is only the
second to market dual-fuel cars after Toyota, which began two years
earlier and has sold almost four times as many. Honda needs better
fuel-efficiency to move the technology from smaller compacts to the
$250 billion SUV market.
"It's encouraging that Honda is improving its technology further as
the research will benefit the company's core auto business," said
Norihito Kanai, a fund manager at Meiji Dresdner Asset Management in
Tokyo. "Hybrids are the main technology for cleaner engines and
Honda and Toyota are ahead of the game."
Honda, heading for its third year of record earnings, is gaining
from record U.S. sales of models such as the Pilot, CR-V and Acura
MDX SUVs. Honda now sells hybrid versions of its Civic and Insight
compact cars, and will introduce its first hybrid with variable
cylinder management technology, the Accord sedan, in the United
States this year.
The new technology, known as i-VTEC, varies the number of engine
cylinders firing depending on how much power is needed, using more
for acceleration and fewer at low engine loads.
"Our variable cylinder management technology will make hybrid
systems suitable for bigger vehicles," Fukui said. "Up to now, I
have been a bit hesitant in offering bigger hybrids as performance
and fuel-efficiency diminishes in larger models."
The Inspire's 6-cylinder i-VTEC engine meets Japan's 2012 fuel
consumption standards, making it the only 3-liter car in Japan that
allows its owner to claim environmental tax benefits.
Fukui said the technology combination may be used for bigger SUVs
and hybrid minivans in future.
Honda sold 58,835 hybrids worldwide between 1999 and March 19, 2004.
Toyota's sales of the vehicles totaled 202,735 between 1997 and Feb.
29, with about seven models available, including trucks and buses.
Toyota, competing with Ford Motor for the position of the world's
second-largest automaker, plans this year to release two hybrid SUV
variants, the Lexus RX 400h and the Highlander. Other automakers,
including General Motors, Ford Motor and Nissan Motor, are also
planning to release hybrids.
Honda will this year centralize output of all its hybrid models at
its Suzuka plant in western Japan to increase efficiency.
Making hybrids in the United States is "not realistic at this
point," because there isn't enough production capacity or demand in
the market, Fukui said.
The company has no plans to offer its hybrid technology to other
automakers.
Hybrid vehicles, built to meet tighter pollution rules in the United
States and Japan, combine a gasoline engine with a battery pack and
electric motors to cut tailpipe exhaust and fuel use.
Honda buys nickel-hydrogen batteries for its hybrids from Panasonic
EV Energy, a joint venture made by Toyota and Matsushita Electric
Industrial. The automaker has said it will also buy batteries from
Sanyo Electric for the Accord hybrid.
The $2.5 billion hybrid vehicle market is expected to triple by
2006, according to Koji Endo at Credit Suisse First Boston Japan.
The United States is the world's biggest market for the vehicles,
and sales there of models such as the Prius and Honda's Insight and
Civic totaled just over 100,000 from 1999 through 2003.
"The cost of hybrid development needs to come down to less than half
of what it is today and prices need to drop much lower than that of
diesel-powered vehicles," Fukui said. "Selling more hybrids will
help cut costs, but that's not enough."
A hybrid car generally costs about $3,000 more than a conventional
gasoline car because of its additional components, while in Europe
diesel car prices may differ little from their gasoline
equivalents.
Fukui also said he planned to improve the company's hydrogen
fuel-cell technology, extending the vehicles' operational
temperature range to as low as minus 40 degrees Celsius, or minus
104 degrees Farenheit. Honda was the first automaker to release a
hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle that can run in external temperatures
from minus 20 degrees Celsius to 95 degrees Celsius.
That would allow Honda to market its FCX fuel-cell vehicle in colder
regions such as Scandinavia, Canada and Hokkaido in northern Japan,
he said. Bloomberg News
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