EV Digest 3440
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: What happen to my car
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: What happen to my car
by "Jon \"Sheer\" Pullen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Schematic Capture Tool
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Schematic Capture Tool
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Schematic Capture Tool
by Seth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Was RE: IUI and IU charging algorithms
by Aaron Birenboim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Schematic Capture Tool
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: What happen to my car, comments
by "bobrice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: What happen to my car
by Paul G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: change zivan from 220 to 110 input?
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Schematic Capture Tool
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: change zivan from 220 to 110 input?
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: AUX contact on Albright
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
14) re: What happen to my car
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) More on AC Propulsion and Tom Hanks
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) RE: More on AC Propulsion and Tom Hanks
by "Jorg Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: EV/AM Radio Noise
by Jude Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: More on AC Propulsion and Tom Hanks
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) EVLN(Electric aircraft: UAVs & MAVs)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) EVLN(Enviro restricted waterways promote Electric boating)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) EVLN(Hitachi/Shin-Kobe hybrid Rechargeable Li-Ion Batteries)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) EVLN(Saft's lithium-ion batteries)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Yes but I lose a car with 6700 miles on it. Lawrence Rhodes.........
Here is my plan. Get the car fixed somehow. Replace the 30 batteries with
20 Panasonic. Increase the charger to a Rudman. Increase the controller to
an Otmar. Get the money by selling my CNG Van. Lawrence Rhodes........
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: What happen to my car
> Sue him. Get a judgement and pursue collecting it. Then what about finding
> another nice Aspire and transfer the EV parts? They can't be that much
> anymore. If they are high in CA, come to Phx an you will find a bunch and
> they will probably be cheap. And you got a $ 3,500 leg up. David Chapman.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:19 AM
> Subject: What happen to my car
>
>
> > Here are the pictures of the Wrecked Aspire. I was thinking if there is
a
> > body guy on the list that might want her it might be a good deal. I
drove
> > her home. Didn't drive bad at all. I could probably beat the dings out
> but
> > the right side doors are pinched together and it needs a frame
> strightening.
> > The rear battery box is crimped slightly. The pack seems ok. Charger
> > works. Seems that this project might be a bit much for me. If anyone
> wants
> > her for a try let me know. It is a 97 Ford Aspire with 6700 miles on
> her.
> > Trade for Extra cab, B2000 etc...Pickup with a Nine inch adapter or
make
> > offer. It just needs body work and the pack is so so. Good for 30 to
40
> > San Francisco miles. If someone could fix her for a few thousand let me
> > know and I'll keep her. I'm open to any suggestions. I'm just sick
about
> > it. 10k down the drain. The check from State Farm is 3500 dollars. Not
> > enough to fix her right at least that is what the body shop says. The
> > offending driver says sue me. He has no insurance & I didn't have
enough.
> > Lawrence Rhodes....
> >
> > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-092F.JPG
> > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-093S.JPG
> > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-094S.JPG
> > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-095S.JPG
> > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-096S.JPG
> > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-097S.JPG
> > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-098S.JPG
> > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-099S.JPG
> > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-100S.JPG
> > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-101S.JPG
> > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-102S.JPG
> >
>
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Personally, I wouldn't fix this car. It's not a car with 7,000 miles on it
any more - you would be better off finding a car that still had a straight
frame. Once a frame has been damaged, it's never quite the same - and EVs
place more stress on the frame than other cars.
He has a SUV, he's got the money - I would definately persue him with a
lawsuit. This is what lawsuits are for - it isn't unreasonable for you to
expect to be compensated for damages to your nearly-new vehicle.
S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: What happen to my car
> Yes but I lose a car with 6700 miles on it. Lawrence Rhodes.........
>
> Here is my plan. Get the car fixed somehow. Replace the 30 batteries
with
> 20 Panasonic. Increase the charger to a Rudman. Increase the controller
to
> an Otmar. Get the money by selling my CNG Van. Lawrence Rhodes........
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:50 PM
> Subject: Re: What happen to my car
>
>
> > Sue him. Get a judgement and pursue collecting it. Then what about
finding
> > another nice Aspire and transfer the EV parts? They can't be that much
> > anymore. If they are high in CA, come to Phx an you will find a bunch
and
> > they will probably be cheap. And you got a $ 3,500 leg up. David
Chapman.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:19 AM
> > Subject: What happen to my car
> >
> >
> > > Here are the pictures of the Wrecked Aspire. I was thinking if there
is
> a
> > > body guy on the list that might want her it might be a good deal. I
> drove
> > > her home. Didn't drive bad at all. I could probably beat the dings
out
> > but
> > > the right side doors are pinched together and it needs a frame
> > strightening.
> > > The rear battery box is crimped slightly. The pack seems ok. Charger
> > > works. Seems that this project might be a bit much for me. If anyone
> > wants
> > > her for a try let me know. It is a 97 Ford Aspire with 6700 miles on
> > her.
> > > Trade for Extra cab, B2000 etc...Pickup with a Nine inch adapter or
> make
> > > offer. It just needs body work and the pack is so so. Good for 30 to
> 40
> > > San Francisco miles. If someone could fix her for a few thousand let
me
> > > know and I'll keep her. I'm open to any suggestions. I'm just sick
> about
> > > it. 10k down the drain. The check from State Farm is 3500 dollars.
Not
> > > enough to fix her right at least that is what the body shop says. The
> > > offending driver says sue me. He has no insurance & I didn't have
> enough.
> > > Lawrence Rhodes....
> > >
> > > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-092F.JPG
> > > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-093S.JPG
> > > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-094S.JPG
> > > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-095S.JPG
> > > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-096S.JPG
> > > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-097S.JPG
> > > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-098S.JPG
> > > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-099S.JPG
> > > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-100S.JPG
> > > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-101S.JPG
> > > http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Wreck/MVC-102S.JPG
> > >
> >
>
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Any recommendation for an **inexpensive** (or freeware) schematic
capture tool/PCB Layout tool for Windows? Also, is there a standard
format for schematic/PCB interchange between tools?
thanks
Don
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I used http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ for my BMS units.
The free version is limited to 4x3.2 inches, 2 layers, and 1 schematic sheet.
At 05:44 AM 4/3/2004, you wrote:
Any recommendation for an **inexpensive** (or freeware) schematic
capture tool/PCB Layout tool for Windows? Also, is there a standard
format for schematic/PCB interchange between tools?
thanks
Don
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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Me too. And a non-profit/student version for eurocard size (100 mm x
160mm, or ~4 x 6.5") with 4 layer capability is $150. Lots of libraries
to download too.
Seth
On Apr 3, 2004, at 9:39 AM, John G. Lussmyer wrote:
I used http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ for my BMS units.
The free version is limited to 4x3.2 inches, 2 layers, and 1 schematic
sheet.
At 05:44 AM 4/3/2004, you wrote:
Any recommendation for an **inexpensive** (or freeware) schematic
capture tool/PCB Layout tool for Windows? Also, is there a standard
format for schematic/PCB interchange between tools?
thanks
Don
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I
dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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Jon "Sheer" Pullen wrote:
Second of all, I always thought - and I am probably wrong.. that a yellow
LED _was_ a red LED element and a green LED element..
The energy gap of LED's can be engineered.
They can produce pure light at almost any color.
Very narrow-band.
Most of your "white" LED's are actually blue LED's
with a phosphor to convert some blue to lower
frequency colors (green, red...) to make white-ish
light.
There are some new wider-band LED's around on the market...
but I have been unable to find them by hobbiest resources.
The funky new wide-band white LED's should be much more
efficient than the blue/phosphor types.
In short.... although filters and combos are often
used, LED's are often engineered to produce a desired
wavelength. In fact, raise the voltage, do some other
tricks and you have a diode laser.
(very narrow band, used in your cheap laser pointer,
cd's etc...)
--
Aaron Birenboim | This space available!
Albuquerque, NM |
aaron_at_birenboim.com |
>http://aaron.boim.com |
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For Future Reference, see www.interactiv.com
I used the Electronics Workbench MultiSim program that does Schematic
Capture, Simulations and Programmable Logic.
It is expensive to the very expensive. Student to Industrial programs.
You can capture a schematic, design a system, install meters and instruments
for analyses. Can set component tolerances from 100 to 0 percent.
It can also research and download any electrical, electronic and mechanical
components for you component files and display a table of specifications for
that component.
It can be used to trouble shoot a existing system, by displaying the
schematic, install the indicated faults or errors and give you analyses of
component faults or wrong tolerances that was design or chosen.
Roland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 6:44 AM
Subject: Schematic Capture Tool
> Any recommendation for an **inexpensive** (or freeware) schematic
> capture tool/PCB Layout tool for Windows? Also, is there a standard
> format for schematic/PCB interchange between tools?
>
> thanks
>
> Don
>
>
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Hi Lawrence;
Gees! What a bunner, looked at all the pix. Thought a good body shop
could fix er up, Pull all the bent bunper, decklid off, May not look so bad
from there. Yeah the RS is pretty buckled, but the body guyz do miricles, IF
the frame isnt bent too bad. But after all it doesn't really have a frame?
Right. Unibody? It's something I would go for, if it was right down the
road, in CT, and I hava buddy that could help me, he duz beautiful body
repairs. But that doesn't help YOU any.
What if ya took it to a few good body shops, got an estimate, say 7
grand, to fix it. Then went to the jurk that was driving in CA without
insurance, and said that you wanted it fixed. I think he would be personally
liable, sinece it was HIS fault. Hell! He ran into you, obviously. He sez "
Sue Me" What is he, on welfare, and no assets? I don't think so? Why isn't
he in trouble with the State? Isn't car insurance manditory in CA anyhow?
Sure is HERE, you cancel your coverage here, CT , you get a letter real
quick, from the DMV, nullifying your plates ,you WILL turn them in to DMV,
and if you are cought using them.....yada, yada, yada. But it doesn't seem
to help, every Police Blotter column in the local paper reads " Micheal or
Jose Somebody was stopped for no insurance or revoked lisense, no
registration" That's the ones they actually catch, like the proverbial
iceburg, but a lot of good folks simply can't afford today's outragious
insurance rates. Rather than dwell on the social parts of all this, but yur
out a car, because of another guy's irresponsibility.Sure isn't fair. But he
just may pay up if asked nicely? But I think he should be TOLD to pay up, or
I'll seeya in court. The State could add some clout, as it was their laws
that he was operating under.Like garnisheeing his pay or welfare check?
OK End of random rant. Hope it can help, you are having EV withdrawl
pains, I'm sure with gas at two bux a gal, and all that.
Seeya
Bob
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Yes but I lose a car with 6700 miles on it. Lawrence Rhodes.........
It has alot more than 6700 miles of wear and tear on it now...
But, it has plenty of good parts. I would find one with the same
interior color, and strait, and rebuild with that. Under the hood up
front (provided there is no sneaky damage) I would pull everything
(motor to struts) and swap it into the next Aspire.
I would also pursue legal action, followed by collection action,
against the driver irresponsible enuf to drive without insurance.
Perhaps in your state you can tie up his license renewal until he
pays up. Of course he'll drive without a license, but at least each
time he gets stopped he can "enjoy" an arrest and impound :-)
Oh yea, is the other driver making payments on his SUV? His finance
company might light to know he's without insurance (typically that
makes the loan due and payable immediately - he could loose his
'wheels').
Neon
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David Roden wrote:
>
> On 1 Apr 2004 at 12:21, Edward Ang wrote:
>
> > I highly recommend the PFC series charger. At $1500,
> > the PFC-20 is a bargain.
>
> With all due respect to Edward (and Rich), there is only one problem. I
> realize that quite a few people here don't think it's a problem, and I don't
> really want to start another heated "discussion" about it. But I do think
> it's a matter to consider when deciding on a charger.
>
> Your Zivan has a transformer in it. That keeps the battery pack 100%
> isolated from the powerline. That's a good thing. Conversely, the PFC
> chargers do ^not^ have an isolation transformer. Compared to your Zivan,
> there is an increased risk of electrical shock or electrocution with a PFC
> charger.
>
> How much of an increased risk? It depends on several factors. They include
> what kind of batteries you use, how your battery containment is constructed,
> how certain and how good an electrical ground is provided when the vehicle
> is connected to the powerline, and how reliable a GFI (if any!) you have at
> the input to the charger. But I can say categorically that a non-isolated
> charger has one fewer shock safeguards than an isolated one - and that
> missing safeguard, IMO, is a fairly significant one.
>
> Again, with all due respect to the hard work that Rich has put into his
> chargers, until he makes one that's fully isolated, I recommend giving very
> serious consideration to the golf car charger mentioned by someone else.
>
David.... you KNOW I have to respond....
The isolation issue is way over blown.
People should not be sticking thier hands into 100 + volt Evs, and they
should not be working on them while they are being charged.
The reduction in hazzard, is calculable, But not very real.
With a GFI protected outlet and a decent grounding Scheme.. there Is no
hazzard.
Of course the batteries themselves are a Hazzard should you place two
body parts on enough pack voltage to matter.
Yes this is the once a year FearFactor Iso issue... I still ask
anybody been hurt??? Yet.... It's been almost 10 years since I logged
into Evs... Still nobody even hurt let alone killed. Anywhere in the Ev
world. I can feel 12 volts, I get tickled often... Not hurt. I do a LOT
Of opne handed work on dry concrete, and I treat all conductors as HOT
unless proven otherwise. Simple common sense.
If you are going to build a 48 volt and higher EV... you better learn
this soon and early, or stick with Those expolisve powered pistons....
I have Iso transformers available .... I have had NO orders.
Dave I apreiciate your Respect.... Thanks.
Zivans are low efficientcy, NON power factor corrected NON user
servicable, NON user adjustable, and come with very little Fartory
support that is not months away.
This are the big reasons, not Iso that have given me a pretty good
market segment.
As I say ISO the Ev, you should anyways.
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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Try www.expresspcb.com
Very easy to learn and innexpensive circuit boards.
For example, 3 2.5x4" boards, 2 layer without
soldermask delivered within 5 days of ordering
cost $66.
Another popular package is Eagle.
This has the advantage of creating gerber files
so you can buy the boards from anybody.
http://www.cadsoftusa.com/
Rod
--- Don Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Any recommendation for an **inexpensive** (or
> freeware) schematic
> capture tool/PCB Layout tool for Windows? Also, is
> there a standard
> format for schematic/PCB interchange between tools?
>
> thanks
>
> Don
>
>
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A Isolation transformer would have to be as big as those 10 to 50 KVA
transformer hanging on a pole.
This is why my outboard 3 phase 250 volt delta 300 amp charger uses the pole
hung transformers rated at 25 KVA per phase.
The onboard charger is also not isolated. It can take 100 amp at 250 volts
directly to the bridge.
The onboard charger and batteries are completely isolated from the car by
being in fiberglass boxes.
There is a ground fault system, like we used in explosive proof areas, that
detects if a isolated ground, (which is the same as the neutral connection
back at the service entrance transformer), is shorted to the vehicle frame.
You can shunt the circuit to earth ground, if you stand bare naked in puddle
of water, but the ground fault will trip the circuit.
Roland
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From: "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: change zivan from 220 to 110 input?
> David Roden wrote:
> >
> > On 1 Apr 2004 at 12:21, Edward Ang wrote:
> >
> > > I highly recommend the PFC series charger. At $1500,
> > > the PFC-20 is a bargain.
> >
> > With all due respect to Edward (and Rich), there is only one problem. I
> > realize that quite a few people here don't think it's a problem, and I
> > don't
> > really want to start another heated "discussion" about it. But I do
> > think
> > it's a matter to consider when deciding on a charger.
> >
> > Your Zivan has a transformer in it. That keeps the battery pack 100%
> > isolated from the powerline. That's a good thing. Conversely, the PFC
> > chargers do ^not^ have an isolation transformer. Compared to your
> > Zivan,
> > there is an increased risk of electrical shock or electrocution with a
> > PFC
> > charger.
> >
> > How much of an increased risk? It depends on several factors. They
> > include
> > what kind of batteries you use, how your battery containment is
> > constructed,
> > how certain and how good an electrical ground is provided when the
> > vehicle
> > is connected to the powerline, and how reliable a GFI (if any!) you have
> > at
> > the input to the charger. But I can say categorically that a
> > non-isolated
> > charger has one fewer shock safeguards than an isolated one - and that
> > missing safeguard, IMO, is a fairly significant one.
> >
> > Again, with all due respect to the hard work that Rich has put into his
> > chargers, until he makes one that's fully isolated, I recommend giving
> > very
> > serious consideration to the golf car charger mentioned by someone else.
> >
> David.... you KNOW I have to respond....
> The isolation issue is way over blown.
> People should not be sticking thier hands into 100 + volt Evs, and they
> should not be working on them while they are being charged.
> The reduction in hazzard, is calculable, But not very real.
>
> With a GFI protected outlet and a decent grounding Scheme.. there Is no
> hazzard.
> Of course the batteries themselves are a Hazzard should you place two
> body parts on enough pack voltage to matter.
>
> Yes this is the once a year FearFactor Iso issue... I still ask
> anybody been hurt??? Yet.... It's been almost 10 years since I logged
> into Evs... Still nobody even hurt let alone killed. Anywhere in the Ev
> world. I can feel 12 volts, I get tickled often... Not hurt. I do a LOT
> Of opne handed work on dry concrete, and I treat all conductors as HOT
> unless proven otherwise. Simple common sense.
>
> If you are going to build a 48 volt and higher EV... you better learn
> this soon and early, or stick with Those expolisve powered pistons....
>
> I have Iso transformers available .... I have had NO orders.
>
> Dave I apreiciate your Respect.... Thanks.
> Zivans are low efficientcy, NON power factor corrected NON user
> servicable, NON user adjustable, and come with very little Fartory
> support that is not months away.
> This are the big reasons, not Iso that have given me a pretty good
> market segment.
> As I say ISO the Ev, you should anyways.
>
>
>
>
>
> Rich Rudman
> Manzanita Micro
> www.manzanitamicro.com
> 1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
>
>
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Thanks for the info guys.
After tearing one apart,(should have done that in the first place), it becomes clear
just how the switch works. Extension of the main contact pushes against a microswitch.
Simple enough.
And now that I've got the albright apart, would a bit of sandpaper or scotchbrite
improve the contact surface a bit, or just make things worse, since the faces are
'matched' to each other?
Darin Gilbert
> At 1:06 PM -0800 4-2-04, Lee Hart wrote:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Is adding the AUX contact to an Albright SW200 contactor a simple
> >>bolt on modification? I was inquiring at one supplier, and they
> >>stated that the SW200 must come with the AUX contact, since the top
> >>plate is different, and a linkage is required. Is this true, or
> >>are the mods very simple (a little dremel and you're good to go)?
> >
> >Clearly, it's just an add-on part for the factory. There's a molded in
> >recess for the switch even on contactors that don't have it. But, will
> >they sell you just the switch? Is it some industry-standard part, or a
> >special that they had made just for them? I don't know.
>
> Yes, they can be had though sometimes they are hard to find.
>
> EV Parts lists them here:
> http://www.evparts.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=&product_id=3325
>
> But don't be surprised if there is a lead time.
>
> I have added them to contactors, it requires a drill to finish
> drilling out the hole for the pin in the contactor cap. Also, I used
> a tap to give a easier start to the threaded inserts since they
> didn't want to go in without help.
>
> hth,
> --
> -Otmar-
>
> http://www.evcl.com/914 My electric 914
> http://www.CafeElectric.com/ Zilla controllers in production, see them here.
>
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Ouch, I feel for ya.
I have seen the guys at the private bodyshops cut off the whole back end
of a mini-van and weld it on to a damaged one, un believable. Not
something a "mainstream" shop would do because they are using parts from
a wrecking yard. Check independent body shops or maybe a new donar....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6226&item=2470260549
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EVUK has some great links and more rumors here-
http://www.evuk.co.uk/news/index.html#hankster
Includes links to other LiIon projects, and in particular, you can download
and save the entire "Late Show" clip with Tom Hanks and David Letterman
talking about EVs.
Video clip here- http://www.evchargernews.com/miscfiles/hanks_1.wmv
It appears that the Toyota Scion is the vehicle that they are planning to
offer as an EV.
Same platform as the Echo and Toyota Yaris/Echo Hatchback (sold in
Europe & Canada) they apparently plan to include these other vehicles in the
product run if all goes well.
Enjoy!
Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA
My Electric Vehicle Pages:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
Informative Electric Vehicle Links:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html
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> It appears that the Toyota Scion is the vehicle that they
> are planning to offer as an EV.
I thought Tom mentioned _two_ possible EV candidates... what's the other
one? Or is he referring to the xA and xB?
jorg
ps http://www.evuk.co.uk/ACPScion%20EV.doc
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Behalf Of Roy LeMeur
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 7:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: More on AC Propulsion and Tom Hanks
EVUK has some great links and more rumors here-
http://www.evuk.co.uk/news/index.html#hankster
Includes links to other LiIon projects, and in particular, you can
download
and save the entire "Late Show" clip with Tom Hanks and David Letterman
talking about EVs.
Video clip here- http://www.evchargernews.com/miscfiles/hanks_1.wmv
It appears that the Toyota Scion is the vehicle that they are planning
to
offer as an EV.
Same platform as the Echo and Toyota Yaris/Echo Hatchback (sold in
Europe & Canada) they apparently plan to include these other vehicles in
the
product run if all goes well.
Enjoy!
Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA
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Adams, Lynn wrote:
Frequency really doesn't matter. AM is the problem. I have seen RFI in the EV every where from 3KHz to 800 Mhz. The problem is AM (amplitude modulation). FM and Digital are inherently immune to this kind of RFI
There's no such thing as "digital" modulation. (Well, that weird Army
thing that bursts static at different frequencies, maybe.) My dad says
(there, now you can't blame me) that satellite TV uses phase modulation;
something to do with rotating the wave around its axis. I don't know
what sattelite radio uses, though.
Judebert
Looks like digital radio might be out of the problem area...
AM radio - 535 kilohertz to 1.7 megahertz
FM radio - 88 megahertz to 108 megahertz
Sirius and XM are in the 2.3 gigahertz range
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Jorg Brown wrote:
> It appears that the Toyota Scion is the vehicle that they
> are planning to offer as an EV.
I thought Tom mentioned _two_ possible EV candidates... what's the other
one? Or is he referring to the xA and xB?
ps http://www.evuk.co.uk/ACPScion%20EV.doc
I didn't mention the xA and xB variations, I assume the plan would include
all those other vehicles mentioned which share the same platform, including
the xA and xB.
Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA
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Arotech's Electric Fuel Battery Subsidiary Receives Follow-on Micro
Air Vehicle -MAV- Contract
NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--04/02/2004-- Contract from Israeli
Defense
Agency continues similar 2002 & 2003 grants
Arotech Corporation announced today that its Electric
Fuel subsidiary has received a follow-on contract from an Israeli
security agency. Under the terms of the contract, Electric Fuel will
continue developing prototype zinc-air cells for Micro Aerial
Vehicles
(MAV) that can maintain flight for extended periods of time.
In June last year, a zinc-air battery developed under the previous
contract, powered a Micro Aerial Vehicle in test flights. The
Electric
Fuel zinc-air powered flight was longer than that achieved with the
same MAV using a High Performance Lithium Ion Polymer battery.
Electric Fuel's cutting-edge zinc-air cells for Unmanned Aerial
Vehicles (UAVs) and MAVs are high-power, lightweight versions of its
most advanced zinc-air cells. The Company believes Electric Fuel's
zinc air batteries have the potential to greatly extend the mission
duration of these reconnaissance aircraft.
"MAVs and other unmanned ground and airborne vehicles need advanced
power sources," said Robert S. Ehrlich, Arotech Chairman and CEO.
"Our
zinc-air battery can significantly increase mission time for these
vehicles."
[...]
Except for the historical information herein, the matters discussed
in
this news release include forward-looking statements, [...]
CONTACT:Arotech Corporation Jonathan Whartman, 1-866-325-6963
[EMAIL PROTECTED] NY Office: 646-654-2107
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Briggs & Stratton Power Products' New Electric Outboard Offers Price
and Access; Priced $552 Under Competition, Outboard Gets More
Americans on Restricted Waters
MILWAUKEE--(BUSINESS WIRE)--04/01/2004--Boaters now have a more
affordable electric outboard choice to access environmentally
restricted waterways. Briggs & Stratton Power Products today
announced
the arrival of its three-horsepower, primary propulsion Electric
Outboard. With a manufacturer's suggested retail price starting at
$1,898, the Briggs & Stratton Electric Outboard is the first and only
electric to deliver premium performance at a reasonable price.
"Our new Electric Outboard arrives at a time when environmental
regulations and quality-of-life concerns are increasing the number of
'electric-only' waterways," explained Tom Rugg, Briggs & Stratton
marketing manager. "We believe offering Briggs & Stratton performance
at a reasonable price gives us an opportunity to drive rapid growth
in
the electric-boating category."
"A much wider group of manufacturers, marine dealers and marinas will
have new market opportunities with the arrival of our Electric
Outboard," Rugg added. "And boaters who previously were left on the
shores of environmentally restricted waterways finally can get on the
water."
The innovative Etek(TM) Electric Motor System is the heart of the
Briggs & Stratton Electric Outboard, and a key part of Briggs &
Stratton's ability to deliver an electric outboard priced hundreds of
dollars less than competing products.
"By combining proven motor technology with Briggs & Stratton
manufacturing expertise, we're able to be more efficient and drive
cost out of the product while delivering premium performance," said
Rugg.
In the last two years, the company identified and then created an
"affordable boating" category by introducing a five-horsepower,
four-cycle outboard with a manufacturer's suggested retail price of
$749.
Electric Outboard Specifics
Designed for freshwater use, Briggs & Stratton Power Products'
Electric Outboard is available in remote or tiller styles. It is
perfect for small runabouts, deck and pontoon boats. The powerful,
quiet, three-horsepower Etek(TM) Electric Motor System is
emission-free, compliant with all state and federal emission
standards
for outboard motors, and provides 150 pounds of maximum thrust.
Standard run times include eight hours while trolling and more than
two hours when cruising.
The Electric Outboard starts easily, requires low-maintenance, and
lets boaters change from forward to neutral to reverse in the touch
of
a button. Briggs & Stratton's Power Minder(TM) low-battery warning
system alerts the operator of remaining run time.
The Electric Outboard requires a Power Supply Harness Kit (offered
separately by Briggs & Stratton) and a 48-volt DC power system (sold
at most marine dealerships).
Beginning in spring 2004 the Electric Outboard will be available at
select marine dealers and through participating Briggs & Stratton
dealers across the country. Visit www.briggspowerproducts.com for
more
information.
About Briggs & Stratton
Briggs & Stratton's commitment is to make boating affordable for
everyone. By applying our proven technology and manufacturing
expertise to the marine industry, we're making it possible for more
people to enjoy life out on the water.
Briggs & Stratton Power Products is a wholly-owned subsidiary of
Briggs & Stratton Corporation, the largest manufacturer of small,
air-cooled engines for outdoor power equipment, such as lawn mowers,
pressure washers and generators The engines are backed by an
authorized service network of more than 30,000 dealers worldwide.
Briggs & Stratton engines can be found powering equipment in more
than
90 countries on all seven continents. Visit www.briggsandstratton.com
for more information.
Media Resources Available At:
www.briggspowerproducts.com/electric_outboard_mediakit.asp
CONTACT:Scheibel Halaska, Inc. Karl Robe, 414-274-3008
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Hitachi and Shin-Kobe Electric Machinery Considering Joint Venture
for
HEV Rechargeable Lithium-Ion Batteries
TOKYO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--03/26/2004--Hitachi, Ltd.
and Shin-Kobe Electric Machinery Co., Ltd. today announced
that they have started discussions toward establishing a joint
venture
company to market, develop and manufacture rechargeable lithium-ion
batteries for hybrid electric vehicles ("HEV"). The new company would
be established in fiscal 2004.
In recent years, the development and commercialization of HEV and
fuel
cell electric vehicles ("FCEV") have gathered momentum on a global
scale with the dual goals of helping preserve the environment and
improving fuel economy. HEV are driven by both a conventional engine
and electric motor while FCEV are powered by electrical energy
released from a chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen. While
nickel metal-hydride rechargeable batteries are currently employed as
the main power source in HEV, high hopes are harbored for lithium-ion
rechargeable batteries, which have a higher energy density and power
output. Because these batteries can be made more compact and
lightweight than the former type of battery, hopes are high that they
may be widely used in HEV, FCEV and industrial applications.
Hitachi and Shin-Kobe Electric Machinery have been jointly developing
rechargeable lithium-ion batteries with considerable success. In
2000,
they led the world in commercializing products for HEV, and followed
up this achievement in 2003 with another world first by mass
producing
a rechargeable lithium-ion battery for electric scooters. Having
already produced motors, inverters, controllers and other key devices
for HEV as well, Hitachi can offer a complete HEV system lineup,
including rechargeable lithium-ion batteries.
The establishment of a joint venture would enable Hitachi and
Shin-Kobe Electric Machinery to capitalize fully on the strengths of
both companies in the rechargeable lithium-ion battery field to meet
full-scale expansion in demand for these batteries. With the new
company facilitating more efficient and quicker marketing,
development
and production than before, the aim is to build a business framework
that achieves greater investment efficiency and speeds the pace of
development through the concentration of development resources, while
raising cost competitiveness and production efficiency.
Plans call for the proposed joint venture to build a pilot line this
fall to improve the ability to supply advanced mass produced items.
The exact structure and other aspects of the new company are to be
determined through ongoing discussions between Hitachi and Shin-Kobe
Electric Machinery.
About Hitachi, Ltd. [...]
http://www.hitachi.com.
About Shin-Kobe Electric Machinery Co., Ltd. [...]
http://www.shinkobe-denki.co.jp.
CONTACT:Hitachi, Ltd. Hiroki Inoue, +81-3-3258-2057
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or Hitachi America, Ltd. Matt
Takahashi, 650-244-7902 (U.S.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
Hitachi (China) Investment, Ltd. Yuji Hoshino, +86-10-6590-8141
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Tanii,
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Electric Machinery Co., Ltd. Kyoichi Sakai, +81-3-5695-6127
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Saft's Li-ion Batteries in GEO With W3A
PARIS and WASHINGTON, March 22 /PRNewswire/ -- In an industry first,
Saft's lithium-ion batteries are now operating in a geostationary
earth orbit (GEO) on Eutelsat's W3A telecommunications and broadcast
satellite. EADS Astrium, Saft's customer, is the turnkey supplier of
this newest space infrastructure.
The March 16 launch of Eutelsat's W3A by a Proton rocket was the
beginning of a revolution in GEO satellite power. Never before have
rechargeable lithium-ion batteries been used in a geosynchronous
earth
orbit. Saft is the pioneer supplier of this advanced battery
technology to W3A's prime contractor, EADS Astrium.
Saft's Li-ion batteries serve in a wide variety of applications on
the
ground. Saft's lithium technology has also been selected for the
next- generation F-35 (JSF, or Joint Strike Fighter) jet, for which
Lockheed Martin is the prime contractor. And Saft's nickel-hydrogen
batteries have a proven track record in GEO service. But this is the
first time that a GEO satellite will benefit from Saft's
lower-weight,
smaller-volume Li-ion batteries.
As GEO satellites fly in an orbit 36,000 km (about 21,000 miles)
above
the Earth, launch weight and mass are critical factors. By reducing
battery weight and space on EADS Astrium's Eurostar E3000 platform,
Saft enables Eutelsat to add more revenue-generating transponders to
the payload. In January, EADS Astrium signed a contract with Saft
for
Li-ion batteries for HotBird 8, another spacecraft in the Eutelsat
series. It adds to the list of Li-ion satellite programs that Saft
will be working on with EADS Astrium and builds upon the industry's
confidence in Saft's technology.
15-year service life
Weighing 4,250 kg at launch, W3A will provide a full range of
services
in the Ku and Ka bands, including enterprise links, Internet service
and television broadcast. Users in W3A's footprint range across
Europe, Africa and the Middle East.
W3A's battery is made of Saft's Li-Ion VES 140 cells, which are
manufactured in Saft's plant in Bordeaux, France, and assembled into
modules and tested at Saft's facility in Poitiers, France. The
batteries, as the payload itself, are designed to perform throughout
the 15-year service lifetime of the satellite. In fact, this
performance requirement is regularly exceeded, even in the tough
environment of space.
Like other satellites, the W3A will use its batteries only when it is
hidden from the Sun by the Earth. The rest of the time, it will rely
on solar panels for electric power of 9,600 watts (DC), even at its
end of life.
First of many
The lifetime of GEO satellites has often exceeded their owners'
expectations, resulting in longer revenue streams, yet they do
eventually reach the end of their service life in space. The
preferred
strategic orbits around the Equator are currently populated by many
GEO spacecraft that are working successfully for a wide range of
owners and operators around the planet.
As the current fleets of GEO satellites are renewed, Saft's
lithium-ion batteries remain ready to serve their mission-critical
assignment of ensuring reliable performance even in this extremely
harsh environment at the same time as they lighten the weight and
reduce the volume that batteries need on the payload's platform. W3A
is the first of many GEOs that Saft's lithium-ion batteries will fly
on. Saft currently has contracts for 13 satellites with lithium-ion
batteries.
[...]
Saft's 4000 dedicated employees are deployed in 23 countries around
the world. For more information, visit Saft at www.saftbatteries.com
SOURCE Saft CO: Saft; EADS Astrium; Eutelsat ST: Maryland,
District
of Columbia, France SU: Web site: http://www.saftbatteries.com
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