EV Digest 3441
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) EVLN(Li-Ion vehicles worldwide)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) EVLN(Canada's h2 Highway to 2010 Winter Games)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) EVLN(Turkish Electric Motorcycles)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) re: what happened to my car
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) nickle hydrogen
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Schematic Capture Tool
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) EVLN(Clean and Safe Scooter Recycling Program)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) EVLN(Valence Li-ion Wheelchair batteries)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: What happen to my car, comments
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: EV/AM Radio Noise
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: nickle hydrogen
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Panasonic VRLA batteries savaged from the EV1 and S10E -the history-
by Don Buckshot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) BMW 325 on eBay
by Aaron Birenboim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: BMW 325 on eBay
by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: EVLN(Canada's ...
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Panasonic VRLA batteries savaged from the EV1 and S10E -the history-Comments
added
by "bobrice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: nickle hydrogen, stuff
by "bobrice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: What happen to my car, comments
by "bobrice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) EVLN(hybrids account for 10% passenger vehicle sales in the US)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) EVLN(Patmont Motor Werks claims low-cost Chinese Electrics unfair)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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EVLN(Li-Ion vehicles worldwide)
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Whistler Investments, Inc (WHIS) acquires worldwide development,
manufacturing and marketing rights for Lithium Portable Power Packs
LAS VEGAS, March 22 /PRNewswire/ - Whistler Investments, Inc.,
www.globalelectric.com - an emerging leader in the
development and marketing of Lithium Ion vehicles and Lithium Ion
powered products worldwide, is proud to announce that they have
entered into an agreement with RV Systems, Inc., affiliated with
Lithium House, a developer of advanced lithium battery technology.
Under the agreement, Whistler acquired the worldwide development,
manufacturing and marketing rights for Lithium Portable Power Packs.
A typical lithium power pack will add an additional 8 to 12 hours of
use time to lap top computers and can be used for a variety of
electronic consumer products such as digital cameras, mobile phones,
Bluetooth headsets, portable DVD players and high-end toys, as well
as
any other portable devices currently in widespread use. With these
power packs, it also provides the consumer the capability to charge
cell phones through USB ports while using their computers in any
wireless setting. As demand for portability increases, Global
Electric's development of the Lithium Portable Power Pack will fill
the need of today's consumer to have access to maximum duration of
use
from all their portable electronic products.
According to a soon-to-be-released updated report from Business
Communications Company, Inc.(www.bccresearch.com) RGB-184N, Portable
Battery Powered Products: U.S. Markets and Opportunities, over $50
billion worth of portable products were sold in the U.S. in 2002,
nearly twice as much as was sold in 1995. This market is estimated to
reach nearly $58 billion by 2007, growing at an average annual growth
rate (AAGR) of 2.8%. Units shipped will grow from over 978 million
units in 2002 to over 1 billion units in 2007. The products include
high-volume, low-price items like flashlights, wristwatches, and
calculators, as well as relatively low-volume items like implantable
medical products, cordless lawnmowers, and cordless analytical
equipment. The lithium storage battery market exceeded the 4.5
billion
Euro mark in 2000, (CEA), and the US demand for primary and secondary
batteries is forecast to climb 5.5% annually through 2007 to $14
billion. Secondary battery demand is expected to outpace primary
battery market
Holly Roseberry, President of Whistler states "As the need for
portability increases, along with the increased access to wireless
technology venues such as Starbucks, McDonalds, hotel chains,
airports, etc, the demand for affordably priced portable power is
growing rapidly. Whistler plans to immediately and aggressively
market
these products via direct marketing infomercials, distribution
networks worldwide, and on our website. This will rapidly generate
significant revenues to the company.
About Whistler Investments, Inc. (Global Electric)
Whistler Investments Inc. - an emerging leader in the
development and marketing of Lithium Ion vehicles and Lithium Ion
powered products worldwide. We at Global Electric believe our
superior
technology, coupled with an aggressive marketing plan, will establish
our company on the world stage. With the global focus moving rapidly
towards addressing pollution, the need for sustainable, zero emission
energy is current. As current legislation is dictating a move towards
this type of energy, we foresee this industry as one of the fastest
growing segments within the global economy. For more information,
please visit our website at www.globalelectric.com
SOURCE: Whistler Investments, Inc. Holly Roseberry President
Investor
Relations for Whistler Investments, Inc. (888) 669-1808 (604)
646-5624 Fax: (702) 940-6516 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.globalelectric.com Forward Looking Statement This press release
may include forward-looking statements [...] SOURCE Whistler
Investments, Inc. CO: Whistler Investments, Inc. ST: Nevada SU: LIC
http://www.prnewswire.com 03/22/2004 10:00 EST
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EVLN(Canada's h2 Highway to 2010 Winter Games)
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Ballard Power Systems Supports Canada's Hydrogen Highway Initiative
in
British Columbia
VANCOUVER, British Columbia--(BUSINESS WIRE)--04/02/2004--Ballard
Power Systems supports the Government of
Canada's commitment to the world's first Hydrogen Highway(TM), to be
built between Vancouver and Whistler, B.C., which was announced
today.
The Hydrogen Highway is part of a long-range plan to assist Canada in
moving toward greater use of hydrogen fuel cells in vehicles and
other
power generation applications through their demonstration with
locally
produced hydrogen in seven nodes along the Hydrogen Highway. A fleet
of Ballard(R) fuel cell-powered Ford Focus vehicles will be the first
hydrogen-fueled vehicles on the roads of British Columbia as part of
this initiative. Excitement around the Hydrogen Highway will build
with the potential addition of more vehicles and power generation
fuel
cells, culminating in the sustainability focused 2010 Winter Games.
"The Hydrogen Highway(TM) will fuel the imagination of British
Columbians as they experience fuel cells as part of their day-to-day
lives," said Firoz Rasul, Ballard's Chairman of the Board. "The
Hydrogen Highway(TM) will solidify Canada's leadership position in
the
development of a hydrogen and fuel cell economy, as it serves to
accelerate the commercialization of fuel cells. Its success will
attract international interest, as the world embraces products that
move us towards a cleaner, more energy efficient future."
This release contains forward-looking statements [...]
Hydrogen Highway is a trademark of Fuel Cells Canada.
CONTACT:Ballard Power Systems Inc. Investor Information: Michael
Rosenberg, 604-412-3195; 604-412-3100 (Fax) Email:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or Media Relations, 604-412-4740; 604-412-3100
(Fax) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Ballard Power Systems Inc.
Marketing
Department, 604-453-3520 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website:
www.ballard.com SOURCE: Ballard Power Systems Inc.
04/01/2004 19:18 EASTERN
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EVLN(Turkish Electric Motorcycles)
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Turkish Superstar Halil Ergun Launches Evader's New Line of 200
Series
Electric Motorcycles at the Istanbul International Motorcycle Show
ISTANBUL, Turkey--(BUSINESS WIRE)--03/25/2004--Bellevue-Washington
based Evader, Inc. (www.evader.us.) the maker of
electric high-performance vehicles powered by their leading-edge
proprietary technology continues its tour of the world's leading
motorcycle shows with its biggest display ever at the 2004
International Motorcycle Show in Istanbul, Turkey.
With the help of Turkish superstar, Halil Ergun, Evader is launching
its new line of 200 series electric motorcycles. The EV200S along
with
seven other Evader models are on exhibit at Evader's biggest show to
date. The show opened at noon Thursday at the Istanbul Exhibition and
Convention Center and continues through Sunday March 28. The other
seven motorcycles on display include the 100, 100S, the 100S
camouflage military bike, the all-new Classic and the all-new 200
series.
"We started selling the new EV200S within two minutes of the show
opening its doors," said Erdinc Kabranlar, the CEO of Megacar AG. "We
have been overwhelmed in our booth. Istanbul is a city of over 15
million people and is plagued with congestion and pollution. The
Evader product line will give people a opportunity to participate in
reducing our pollution."
"The Turkish market is going to be big," said Rob Stoneham, Evader's
Director International Distribution. "With a population of more than
70 million and gasoline priced at almost US$7.00 per gallon the
Turkish people are looking for an affordable, quiet and
environmentally friendly solution for their transportation needs.
Evader is the only answer."
Police version unveiled
The show also marks the debut Evader's 200 series of Police styled
electric motorcycles. Capable of speeds of up to 55 MPH, the first
all
electric Evader EV200S Police Cruiser, fully equipped with sirens and
lights and built for the Istanbul "Trafik Polis" is appearing as
Evader's first production police motorcycle, ready for active duty.
Evader has partnered with Megacar AG to distribute its products
throughout Turkey, Eastern Europe and Northern Africa. Megacar and
Evader have eight languages represented at the show in Istanbul.
Megacar has entered into a 5 year distribution agreement with Evader
that includes purchase commitments within these regions over annual
periods.
About the company
Evader (www.evader.us) is a developer and manufacturer of advanced
technology electric vehicles. Evader's all new, 4th generation
proprietary technology was developed in the United States and is
incorporated into all Evader products. Evader's corporate
headquarters
are in Bellevue, Washington with their Latin American division
operating out of Coral Springs, FL.
For more information visit us at our website at www.evader.us.
Certain statements in this news release may contain forward-looking
information within the meaning of Rule 175 under the Securities Act
of
1933 and Rule 3b-6 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and are
subject to the safe harbor created by those rules. All statements
other than statements of fact, included in this release, are
forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties.
CONTACT:Evader, Inc. Investor Relations: Roger Kelly, 425-688-3007
Fax: 425-688-3017 [EMAIL PROTECTED] SOURCE: Evader, Inc.
03/25/2004 15:04 EASTERN
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CA is very strick about having insurance and thats a good thing I think.
Once you have a judgement there are a lot of avenues for getting money,
like tax returns, attaching wages, property leins. etc. It can make it
really difficult for him to buy a house or car.
first, go to a few body shops for quotes, if that doesn't pan out get a
same model temporarly to make transfering parts easy, then see a lawyer,
it may take years, by then you'll be able to buy lithium ion .:-;
good luck, and I agree with bob rice, these body shops work minor miracles.
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I recently heard that some car manufacturer is gonna try nickle hydrogen
batteries.
Being a japanese company, perhaps it is a typo and they meant nmhi,
anyway I looked into the ones eagle-piture
http://www.epcorp.com/NR/rdonlyres/5F912B8F-D59C-4A0F-9325-51E2342CDB7B/0/space_NiH2.pdf
they have ridiculously good cycle life but eagle picure explained to me
that their capacity drops when they get warm.
Does anyone know if the ah out or h in or both fails when warm? Could we
just cool them during charge?
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I use OrCad http://www.orcad.com/. There was a version 9.2 free demo
available that did schematic, SPICE, and layout with up to 15 parts, or 60
nodes.
There is a version 10 out now at
http://www.orcad.com/downloads/orcadlite10/default.asp. I do not know how
much is included on the version 10 demo CD. The version 9 CD did not have
complete libraries on it. They needed to be downloaded from the website or
copied from a full version CD to have the entire set.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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From: "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 5:44 AM
Subject: Schematic Capture Tool
> Any recommendation for an **inexpensive** (or freeware) schematic
> capture tool/PCB Layout tool for Windows? Also, is there a standard
> format for schematic/PCB interchange between tools?
>
> thanks
>
> Don
>
>
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EVLN(Clean and Safe Scooter Recycling Program)
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Go-Ped(R) Recycles Foreign Scooters to Clean Up America
RENO, Nev., March 31 /PRNewswire/ -- Patmont Motor Werks, Inc., the
manufacturer of the world renowned, American made, Go-Ped(R) line of
scooter products, has developed a way of removing inferior and high
emission foreign made scooters from roads and streets, and at the
same
time, help to preserve American jobs.
By taking part in the "Clean and Safe Scooter Recycling Program" any
individual can exchange their non Go-Ped(R) electric, push or
gasoline
scooter for the highest quality, most reliable and environmentally
friendly American Made Product, a Genuine Go-Ped(R) brand scooter.
Individuals participating in this program will receive a 20% discount
on the retail price of any Patmont Motor Werks, Inc. product.
Patmont is motivated by the proliferation of unsafe, highly polluting
and very poor quality scooters recently sold in the USA. Most of them
are made overseas, using poor quality materials, poor or non-existent
quality control and highly polluting engines. Their sale and usage
have wrought substantial damage upon the environment. Also, many now
collect dust in the garage of their purchasers, since they broke only
after a few hours of use, and repair, warranty, service, or parts
were
and are not available domestically.
All scooters returned under the program will be disassembled and
their
parts will be recycled to keep the environment healthy and safe.
Scooter users are also being educated on recycling and its benefits
through the company's website and flyers circulated in schools and
local communities.
For more information concerning the Clean and Safe Scooter Recycling
Program, please contact your local authorized Go-Ped(R) dealer, found
at www.goped.com, or email Ms. A. C. Moratin, Director of Sales,
Patmont Motor Werks, Inc., at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
About Patmont Motor Werks, Inc.
Patmont Motor Werks, creator of the Go-Ped(R) scooter brand, is a
family- owned and operated company that hand-crafts a full range of
personal transport devices, including motorized, electric and
self-powered scooters.
The company also offers Go-Gear(R) apparel, accessories and jewelry.
Go- Ped(R) products are inspired and designed to capture the fun,
free
and trend- setting spirit that is the very essence of the
individualistic lifestyle. As the creator of the highest quality
personal transport devices, Go-Ped(R) is an established brand among
extreme sports enthusiasts. Go-Ped(R) branded personal transport
devices are available through a dedicated network of dealers in North
America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Latin America and the Middle East, and
on the Internet at http://www.goped.com.
SOURCE Patmont Motor Werks, Inc. CO: Patmont Motor Werks, Inc.
ST: Nevada SU: Web site: http://www.goped.com
http://www.prnewswire.com 03/31/2004 14:57 EST
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EVLN(Valence Li-ion Wheelchair batteries)
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Valence U-Charge/TM/ Power System to Be Evaluated by Graham-Field;
Saphion/R/ Technology Tested as Power Source for Wheelchairs
AUSTIN, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--03/24/2004--Valence Technology, Inc.
a leader in the development and commercialization of
Saphion(R) technology, the only safe large format Lithium-ion
rechargeable battery technology, today announced that the
U-Charge(TM)
Power System will be evaluated by Graham-Field Healthcare Products, a
major manufacturer and distributor of healthcare products.
The Saphion-based U-Charge(TM) Power System will be assessed for use
in power wheelchair products.
The power mobility market is one of the fastest growing markets in
the
medical equipment sector. The U-Charge Power System is a direct
replacement for the sealed Lead Acid battery systems currently
available in the power mobility market. The U-Charge Power System
delivers greater energy density and better reliability at a lower
cost
of ownership than Lead Acid batteries. The inherent safety of Saphion
Lithium-ion technology enables the creation of a large format
product,
such as the U-Charge system, and eliminates safety and environmental
concerns associated with other technologies.
"We expect Saphion technology will have a significant impact on the
mobility market for healthcare, which utilizes sealed Lead Acid
batteries in a wide variety of applications," stated Stephan
Godevais,
chairman and CEO of Valence. "We believe the U-Charge Power System
will enable Graham-Field to provide its wheelchair customers with
power to be completely mobile for an entire day and in the end,
facilitate a better quality of life."
"We have been waiting a long time for a Lithium-ion technology that
was safe enough to be manufactured in unique dimensions for our
industry," Joe Ticer, Director of Mobility and Rehab of Graham-Field.
"Saphion technology and the U-Charge product have the potential to be
a true breakthrough for the mobility market and could impact all
aspects of design and function for powered wheelchairs."
About Valence Technology, Inc.
Valence is a leader in the development and commercialization of
Saphion(R) technology, the only safe large format Lithium-ion
rechargeable battery technology. Valence holds an extensive,
worldwide
portfolio of issued and pending patents relating to its Saphion(R)
technology and Lithium-ion rechargeable batteries. The company has
facilities in Austin, Texas, Henderson, Nevada and Mallusk, Northern
Ireland. Valence is traded on the NASDAQ SmallCap Market under the
symbol VLNC and can be found on the Internet at www.valence.com.
About Graham-Field Health Products, Inc.
Graham-Field Health Products, Inc. located in Atlanta, GA, is a major
manufacturer and distributor of healthcare products for the homecare,
long-term care and acute care markets. Products include standard and
power wheelchairs, homecare and long-term care beds, patient aids,
diagnostics and specialty seating products.
Graham-Field has manufacturing facilities located in Fond-du-Lac, WI,
Denver, CO, Indonesia, Taiwan and China. Graham-Field's name brand
products include Everest & Jennings, LaBac, Simmons Healthcare, John
Bunn, Labtron and Lumex.
CONTACT:Investor Contact Valence Technology, Inc. Mike Russell,
512-527-2921 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Media Contact Lois Paul
Partners, LLC Karen Siuda, 512-638-5307 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SOURCE: Valence Technology, Inc.
03/24/2004 09:35 EASTERN
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The good news is I bought an NEV for 5k. Took out some bucks from a small
account and with the 3500 from the insurance(uninsured motorist from State
farm only pays 3500 if you don't have comp & collision and we didn't) and
got the Th!nk Neighbor. Lawrence Rhodes..It however isn't freeway worthy
like the Aspire.......
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From: "bobrice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: What happen to my car, comments
> Hi Lawrence;
>
> Gees! What a bunner, looked at all the pix. Thought a good body shop
> could fix er up, Pull all the bent bunper, decklid off, May not look so
bad
> from there. Yeah the RS is pretty buckled, but the body guyz do miricles,
IF
> the frame isnt bent too bad. But after all it doesn't really have a frame?
> Right. Unibody? It's something I would go for, if it was right down the
> road, in CT, and I hava buddy that could help me, he duz beautiful body
> repairs. But that doesn't help YOU any.
>
> What if ya took it to a few good body shops, got an estimate, say 7
> grand, to fix it. Then went to the jurk that was driving in CA without
> insurance, and said that you wanted it fixed. I think he would be
personally
> liable, sinece it was HIS fault. Hell! He ran into you, obviously. He sez
"
> Sue Me" What is he, on welfare, and no assets? I don't think so? Why isn't
> he in trouble with the State? Isn't car insurance manditory in CA anyhow?
> Sure is HERE, you cancel your coverage here, CT , you get a letter real
> quick, from the DMV, nullifying your plates ,you WILL turn them in to DMV,
> and if you are cought using them.....yada, yada, yada. But it doesn't seem
> to help, every Police Blotter column in the local paper reads " Micheal or
> Jose Somebody was stopped for no insurance or revoked lisense, no
> registration" That's the ones they actually catch, like the proverbial
> iceburg, but a lot of good folks simply can't afford today's outragious
> insurance rates. Rather than dwell on the social parts of all this, but
yur
> out a car, because of another guy's irresponsibility.Sure isn't fair. But
he
> just may pay up if asked nicely? But I think he should be TOLD to pay up,
or
> I'll seeya in court. The State could add some clout, as it was their laws
> that he was operating under.Like garnisheeing his pay or welfare check?
>
> OK End of random rant. Hope it can help, you are having EV withdrawl
> pains, I'm sure with gas at two bux a gal, and all that.
>
> Seeya
>
> Bob
>
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Jude Anthony wrote:
> There's no such thing as "digital" modulation.
I would say there is. "Digital" just implies having only two states;
like digital AM (on/off keying, like Morse code), digital FM (FSK or
Frequency Shift Keying; the old 300 baud modem), digital PM (phase
modulation, used in some disk drives), etc.
Any parameter of the signal that can be changed can be used as a form of
modulation. You can either change it in a continuous, analog fashion, or
in discrete steps (2 or more).
ell, that weird Army
> My dad says (there, now you can't blame me) that satellite TV uses
> phase modulation;
Phase modulation is when you have the same frequency and amplitude, but
change the phase of the signal. The color for broadcast NTSC TV is phase
modulated (and the picture is AM and the sound is FM; that's how they
got 3 channels of information).
Satellites use polarization; they use vertically and horizontally
polarized antennas (think of vertically and horizontally polarized
light) to carry two independent channels at the same frequency and with
the same modulation.
There is such a thing as circularly polarized RF, too. If you are trying
to receive data from a tumbling satellite, you need circularly polarized
antenna so the signal won't fade in and out as it spins.
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Jeff Shanab wrote:
> I recently heard that some car manufacturer is gonna try nickle
> hydrogen batteries. Being a japanese company, perhaps it is a typo
> and they meant nimh...
Nimh (nickel-metal hydride) *is* a nickel-hydrogen battery. The two
working "plates" are nickel and hydrogen. Since hydrogen is a gas, it is
actually adsorbed into a metal mesh which provides the electrical
connection (the metal hydride).
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Yeah! I still have the NiMH batteries from my Force stored in my garage.
Texaco Ovonics offered to sell me the newer model replacement units (at
a loss they said) for only $1000.00 each. Can you believe that! I had
Solectria change it over to Pba and the car is as reliable as sunrise
now. Of course the change required different battery boxes.
Don Buckshot
Roeland Park, Kansas
David Roden (Akron OH USA) wrote:
I assume the subject is supposed to be "salvaged." Or maybe not. <g>
One note of caution on these batteries. Don't make the mistake of designing
an EV around them! Unless you plan to buy enough to last you the life of the
vehicle, and somehow store them until you need them (not easy with lead
batteries), most likely you won't be using batteries like these forever. Ask
anyone here who designed battery boxes for the surplus Delphi 8-volt
batteries what happened when it came time for replacement.
Also, are the NiMH batteries Panasonic or Ovonics? Based on what I've
heard and read, if they're Ovonics brand, a "10 year" life for them is probably
rather optimistic. Again, ask the NiMH Solectria Force owners who have
experienced failures of Ovonics modules no longer made, and faced down the
staggering cost of having to replace the entire pack.
DR
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Steve Clunn: Is this one of yours?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2471793058&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1
It makes no mention of AC or heat, so it might have none.
It could certainly make me more interested if it had these.
It will definately need a new charging system.
We all know that AGMs don't last too long with a Zivan.
Why might speed be limited to 60mph?
I'd think that 144v from AGM on a Raptor 1200 would
easily go faster (it has the original 5sp. manual tranny)
He quotes 20-30 mi range.
Perhaps they are small optimas. One might think
it could do 40-50 with a full load of lead.
How light would a 325 chassis be? He lists
weight as 2800 lbs currently.
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Hi Aaron and all,
This is Dannie Nangle's BMW. it is in the EV Album at:
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/477.html
and it has been on the EV Tradin' Post for a few weeks.
Thanks,
Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
'95 Solectria Force (almost there)
Kansas City, Missouri
EV List Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com
My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda
Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org
Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html
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From: Don Buckshot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Panasonic VRLA batteries savaged from the EV1 and S10E -the
history-
> Yeah! I still have the NiMH batteries from my Force stored in my garage.
> Texaco Ovonics offered to sell me the newer model replacement units (at
> a loss they said) for only $1000.00 each. Can you believe that! I had
> Solectria change it over to Pba and the car is as reliable as sunrise
> now. Of course the change required different battery boxes.
> Don Buckshot
> Roeland Park, Kansas
>
Hi Don an All;
Yup! I can believe it. Texaco doesn't want YOU or anybody else having
these batteries!THAT'S why they bought the rights from Ovonic, they musta
felt that they, the batteries were promising, sooo.. But we knew that,
Solectria's Sunrise going from Bos-to NYC on one charge, I think they ran it
about 300 miles on that one? Remember? Now the Sunrise lies buried in
Solectrias' Corperate attic, forgotten, but we on here didn't forget it. Hey
Tom Hanks, Theres one to get in production! Seems like I remember Jerry
Dicus getting involved a bit with the Sunrise project a few years ago? Or am
I reading whisttful thinking into the thing?
That's why I felt that it was a sad, dark day when Texaco bought out the
Ovonic battery rights, the beginning of the end of a promising technology.
Look how nicely the EV-1's and Honda Whatevers did with them, and they were
relatively indifferant to cold weather, too. Dashed were my dreams of the
Big East swarming with efficient, roadworthy, production EV's, or at least
little 'ole CA, too with a "Boost" from CARB.
>
> David Roden (Akron OH USA) wrote:
>
> >I assume the subject is supposed to be "salvaged." Or maybe not. <g>
> >
Wondering where the MINH batteries from the murdered EV-1's went, can
they be bought, salvaged, used? Now THAT would be worth persuing? Buddy
pairs to give a useful AH capacity for us Lo Vo guyz, 120 -150 volt systems,
hafta smile as I remember when a 120 volt car was considered shockingly
high, pun intended<g>!The bad old 48 volt daze come to mind and RR amounts
of amps to go hiway speeds!
> >One note of caution on these batteries. Don't make the mistake of
designing
> >an EV around them! Unless you plan to buy enough to last you the life of
the
> >vehicle, and somehow store them until you need them (not easy with lead
> >batteries), most likely you won't be using batteries like these forever.
Ask
> >anyone here who designed battery boxes for the surplus Delphi 8-volt
> >batteries what happened when it came time for replacement.
That's for sure! But batteries change shape just enough to make
designing Battery Boxes rather sporting, anyhow. Just the @#$%^ Posts, so
you hafta redesign the connecting leads and terminals EVery time you
re-cell! Or get good at casting your own posts. Tony Ascrizzi an' I got
pretty good at that on my last bunch of T 145's, bit tricky, but do-able
with a bit of patience. BTW a good battery shop can do this for you ,if yur
not that sporting.
> >
> >Also, are the NiMH batteries Panasonic or Ovonics? Based on what I've
> >heard and read, if they're Ovonics brand, a "10 year" life for them is
probably
> >rather optimistic. Again, ask the NiMH Solectria Force owners who have
> >experienced failures of Ovonics modules no longer made, and faced down
the
> >staggering cost of having to replace the entire pack.
> > Texaco's nice way of telling you " Forgetabout" your EV!
Just read Bruce's post about the Turkish motorcycle thing and gas is
SEVEN bux a gal there, smile, it's coming here, to a gas station near you.
Bet there arent very many SUV's cluttering up THEIR roads? Trucks must use
cheaper Diseasel fuel? But you know if gas were that hi here a hellova lot
of handy folks would be junking their ICE stuff and joining the EV List V is
for Voltage, and a plethura of Yahoo groups, to get into EVing. Rich and
Otmar would be breaking ground on hugh factories, employing, hey? Maybe guyz
like us, to build the thousands of their goodies that the USA, hell, the
World, would demand? There is a waiting List for PFC-20's NOW<g>!
My two cells worth
Bob
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From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: nickle hydrogen
> Jeff Shanab wrote:
> > I recently heard that some car manufacturer is gonna try nickle
> > hydrogen batteries. Being a japanese company, perhaps it is a typo
> > and they meant nimh...
>
> Nimh (nickel-metal hydride) *is* a nickel-hydrogen battery. The two
> working "plates" are nickel and hydrogen. Since hydrogen is a gas, it is
> actually adsorbed into a metal mesh which provides the electrical
> connection (the metal hydride).
> -- Thanks Lee for the explanation of how they work. I remember chatting
with a guy from Ovonics YEARS ago at the T de S, when the Sunrise was there.
He sed that Tom Edison was close with his nickle cells but he didn;t have
the knowledge to absorb the gas hydrogen into the above mesh, that "
Hydride" thing. But he was close, sigh! Alotta OTHER stuff worked out for
Tom, though, the Phonograph worked quite nicely, EVen on the first try. If
you ever saw an Edison Cylinder phonograph work, 'way cool! I can feel J
Wayland cringing now! "Low Fi" at my taped Edison offerings in my car
cassette<g>!Oh the technology is great, today, need some artists and
misicians like of old. Sigh! I've found my niche with the 78RPM discussion
List, their IS one<g>!Something for EVerybody online. It;s great!
My two bits worth
Bob
> "Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the
> world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has!" -- Margaret Meade
> --YES!
> Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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From: Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: What happen to my car, comments
> The good news is I bought an NEV for 5k. Took out some bucks from a small
> account and with the 3500 from the insurance(uninsured motorist from State
> farm only pays 3500 if you don't have comp & collision and we didn't) and
> got the Th!nk Neighbor. Lawrence Rhodes..It however isn't freeway worthy
> like the Aspire.......
Hi Lawrence;
Sigh! Well if a NEV will do it for you, great! But it will be a
letdown, being in EVerybody's way in traffic and tepid performance. You
Cituicar masochists know what I mean. Was in NYC's Penn station last nite on
a layover, Cops all OVER the place, security, you know, RR's are on the Hit
List. A couple were petrolling in a GEM thing. I asked how the liked their
EV, they liked it fine, beats walking, but the drivin' guy said that all it
was was a golf cart, good enough indoors, like the station. They hads cute
"Limo" one too, streached , with a real back seat, same cute " Trunk"
'tached on back, too. Had all the police whistles and bells -lights
sirens.He sed that he wouldn't wanna drive it in NYC traffic, it gives ya a
bit better protection than a pedal bike, my preffered transportation in
NYC.At least you can take yur bike on the Subway, or LIRR to speed your
travels a bit or get out of the @#$% Rain!
OK got OT a bit as usual, but I would hang on to the Wreck, shop around,
car IS sort of drivable, sue the guy, collect enough to fix it, it looked
like a nice car, like the colour, too<g>!
Good Luck!
Bob
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EVLN(hybrids account for 10% passenger vehicle sales in the US)
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Hybrids Close to Becoming Common Equipment, But Can Diesels Compete?
Questions ABI Research
OYSTER BAY, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--03/15/2004--By 2006, Toyota and
Honda hybrid models alone could account for 10% of the over two
million midsize passenger vehicle sales in the US, according to ABI
Research, proving that hybrids are no longer a niche market. Reports
indicate Toyota will introduce a hybrid version of its Camry model to
the US in 2006, with a sales target of 100,000 vehicles. This follows
an announcement from Honda that a hybrid version of its Accord model
will go on sale in the US for 2005.
"This changes the game," says Dan Benjamin, ABI Analyst. "Honda and
Toyota are the market leaders, as the Accord and the Camry are the
dominant vehicles in the mid-sized segment. Other automakers will try
to keep pace with their own hybrids, but those without proper
development will either be forced to license hybrid technology or try
and market diesels as a competing technology."
Diesels will be used by manufacturers such as DaimlerChrysler and
Volkswagen in lieu of hybrids. However, existing diesel offerings in
the US market cannot match current hybrids in terms of performance,
economy, or cleanliness, and will have to be improved upon to remain
competitive. Diesels must also be equipped with expensive exhaust
treatment systems to comply with upcoming US Tier 2 emissions
standards.
Ford and Nissan will license hybrid technology from Toyota, while GM
will use their own. The act of licensing technology can have its
limitations, as the licensee may only have access to earlier versions
of the technology.
The market for diesel-powered light vehicles is the focus of ABI's
new
study, "Engine Management Systems: Emerging Markets for Advanced
Exhaust, Fuel, and Intake Technologies." The study also details the
market for exhaust treatment systems, such as Diesel Particulate
Filters, and engine technologies, including variable valve timing,
gasoline direct injection, and variable displacement.
ABI's hybrid vehicle study, "Hybrid Electric Vehicles: Global Market
Assessment, Key Technologies, and Forecasts." addresses major
components, hybrid markets, and player strategies with forecasts
through 2010.
Founded in 1990 and headquartered in New York, ABI Research maintains
global operations that support annual research programs, quarterly
intelligence services and market reports in wireless, automotive,
semiconductors, broadband, and energy. Their market research products
can be found on the web at abiresearch.com, or by calling
516.624.3113.
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SOURCE: ABI Research
03/15/2004 09:25 EASTERN
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Motorized Scooter Pioneer Files Federal Lawsuit Against Chinese
Government
RENO, Nevada, March 11 /PRNewswire/ -- Patmont Motor Werks, Inc., the
Nevada-based manufacturer of hand-crafted Go-Ped(R) brand scooters,
today filed a federal suit charging the Chinese Government and an
association of Chinese companies with Unfair Trade Practice and
Conspiracy to Restrain Trade Under the Anti Trust Laws.
The action seeks to correct fair international trade laws that
prevent
original American-made products from being sold in China. The lawsuit
illustrates a clear example of how American products like Go-Ped(R)
brand scooters are refused access into the same countries that export
massive volumes of unsafe imitation products into the United States
at
below cost and/or with foreign government subsidies.
Consumer products exported into the United States from China are
admitted under inferior labor laws and with zero customs duties. In
addition to addressing fair trade and intellectual property laws, the
suit filed by Patmont Motor Werks encompasses a national issue that
directly affects American jobs, small businesses and consumer
confidence in the purchasing of safe products.
"Chinese exporters can unload their products on the American market
with no duty or tax, but heavy duties and other taxes prevent
businesses like ours from selling our products to Chinese consumers,"
said Steven J. Patmont, president and CEO of Patmont Motor Werks.
"This suit does more than try to protect one company such as my
family's, as American consumers are at risk when unsafe low-quality
foreign manufactured products with terrible safety records are
allowed
free entry into this country."
Patmont Motor Werks is a family-owned business with more than 100
employees dedicated to handcrafting a full range of personal
transport
devices, including motorized, electric and self-powered scooters. The
Company has nearly 20 years of experience in developing and
distributing its personalized transport products in the United States
and overseas. The Company alleges that the Chinese Government has
imposed unfair import costs on its products, which have prevented the
company from fairly competing in the motorized scooter marketplace.
"American jobs, consumer confidence, and the very existence of the
American dream have little chance for survival if there is no
international fair trade," says Patmont. "After exhausting all other
resources to address and correct this problem, we are turning to the
federal court to make a determination about fair trade practices."
The suit also asks the federal court to protect the patents,
trademarks and copyrights of Patmont Motor Werks from copying by the
Chinese scooter association.
[...]
SOURCE Patmont Motor Werks, Inc. CO: Patmont Motor Werks, Inc. ST:
Nevada, China SU: LAW Web site: http://www.goped.com
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