EV Digest 3469
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Two 8" vs 1 9"...Zombie Gets a BIG motor!
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Chargers...Most automated for 120v
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) [Fwd: Re: Fw: Two 8" vs 1 9"...Zombie Gets a BIG motor!]
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) 36V300A sepex GE motor controller problem
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) OT Honda Ad you won't believe it! giant mouse trap
by Danny Ames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: 'electro nerds'
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: 'electro nerds'
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Batteries for Think. Adding ampmeter & volt meter.
by "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Two 8" vs 1 9"...Zombie Gets a BIG motor!
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: Batteries for Think. Adding ampmeter & volt meter.
by "Ed Thorpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: [Fwd: Re: Fw: Two 8" vs 1 9"...Zombie Gets a BIG motor!]
by Roger Stockton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: 36V300A sepex GE motor controller problem
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: 'electro nerds'
by Bob Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: dc/dc converter rec's for 156 volts?
by "Mark Brueggemann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Sucking Amps schedule
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) EVLN(goggle drunk in a fancy golf cart)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) EVLN(R-Car, electric ATV and Whistler lithium powered products)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) RE: Flooded Battery Pricing
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Two 8" vs 1 9"...Zombie Gets a BIG motor!
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) EVLN(Whistler Electric BMW MINI COOPER British Embassy vehicle)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: ev conversion 61 nash metropolitan/single speed tranny
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) EVLN(UK Students build EV for Green Power competition)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) RE: Flooded Battery Pricing
by David Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Seth wrote:
>
> As for the lower interia. How much? It doesn't seem to me that the
> inertia of an 8 versus 9 inch woud matter much. If you are talking
> about the difference between say .05 and .1 kg-m^2 and an average
> acceleration of 80 radians per second^2, then one absorbed 4 Nm, the
> other 8Nm out of ~600Nm. Or ~1%.
>
> Now that's an approximation based on linear acceleration. Lets assume
> that for the first 2 seconds, it is 160 rad/sec^2. Still doesn't make a
> huge difference.
>
> But if you have a flywheel and transmission and the flywheel has 0.75
> kg-m^2 inertia and you blow thru 1st (or 2nd) gear at 400 rad/sec, then
> shift, that's different. That hurts to the tune of 300Nm. Call that a
> dynamic loss of more than 200 ft-lb.
>
> Seth
Seth as you well know the stored energy is not all wasted, you get it
back when the transmission shifts. If you slow it down fast enough. We
did dyno plots on a rather healthy 460 Ford once that showed a 200 Hp
Bump When shifting from first gear to second with a C-6 Tranny. Yea the
460 has a LOT of rotational weight, lots of stuff WAY off the rotational
axis. So... if you DO shift you will get it back farther down the track.
Most likely where you can do something with it.
Since US DC boys have all the torque down low, and need more in the
higher RPMs. this could be a handy way to store some snort.
Now in a light chassis without a tranny, and now shifting.... It's kinda
not worth the effort to gain %1. All that can be made up with 5 Def F
more battery temp...
I rather have that wieght where it can do some good. Like a HUGE
commutator, that doesn't break a sweat at 2000 amps....I can add a lot
of wieght for that!!
Thanks Seth for the clarity of the concept. We all know there is more
rotational enertia in a larger motor, but it doesn't matter that much,
in a 2000 lbs EV.
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Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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Dave Ganapoler wrote:
Saled mode ON
>
> I've heard that Zivan or PFC are good ones. Anyone have any idea which
> would be best for a battery pack of 10 12v acid flood batteries?
>
> Dave Ganapoler
Uh... yea My PFC chargers..
Sorry I am rather Biased about that....
Mine are fully adjustable for any voltage fron 12 to 450 volts DC, Can
use 120 to 240 VAC as a input and anything inbetween.
That just for starters... Check the Website out, there are LOTS of
folks on the list that can speak for these chargers.
Sales mode OFF.
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Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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I have been trying to send this retort to the EV list for hours, first
my PC Crashed, then I sent it to Rod instead of the list, ....thanks for
heads up Rod...
Adding fire to the Big/Small rant.
--
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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Roderick Wilde wrote:
>
I had a real flame thrower going, but my system crashed... Ok so lets
get back to it.
There are some number that just don't add up here.
Let me take them apart one by one.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Two 8" vs 1 9"...Zombie Gets a BIG motor!
>
> > Dual motors can take advantage of the series/parallel feature on the newer
> > Zilla controllers. This is a HUGE advantage. The KillaCycle uses twin 6.7
> > inch motors with a Zilla 2000. The behavior is like a Lenco two-speed, but
> > without the weight, complication, or the rotational inertia. Over 800
> > ft-lbs of total motor torque coming out of the hole.
The huge advantage is if you have a motor that can take 2000 amps and
do something usefull with it instead of Melt down, It will more than
make up for the added torque down low. Once the Series paralel switch
goes from series to paralel, you have the same power as if you had 1000
amp on each motor.
And NO you don't have 800 Ft.lbs of motor coming out of the hole, your
60 ft times say that.NOW gone postal with 8 incher DOES have the ability
to make 800, or 400 on each motor.
And a battery pack that can make 1850 amps, More than enough to saturate
the 2000 amp motor loop. Your SVRs don't. Even on a good day you would
need a 2:1 ratio.
Also the rotational enertia is NOT what we are talking about, Both Evs
Killa cycle and a single big motored Zombie don't have a transmission.
You have two motors and the attached Chain that has to be accelerated,
John will have a drive shaft.
Yes the Effect of the S/P will be like a Lenco, with any shifting, you
will have twice the torque on the drive shaft. But that's only there for
a short while. Otmar's Hair ball controlled S/P switch waits for the
amps to fall to 1/2 the programmed maximum, then hits both motors with
the full controller amps. John's set up will HOLD the motor amps steady,
until the controller runs out of volts and current. So... the S/p set up
will launch better, then you will have the same watts delivered to both
motors. Then the lack of brush timing will strangle the twin motors just
like it does a single one.
What S/P does is give you two electrical gears. and this is good if
your motors Eff falls dramaticly at over 1000 amps. But the far end of
the track is still governed by thge Back EFM of the motors, and how many
volts you have under load.
A perfect run is to draw max amps from one end of the track to the
other. S/P doesn't do this. It could. But if you switch early, then you
most likley won't have the volts or timing to keep pulling. Ot and I
have talked this over.... There might be a software feature that lets up
play with when the shift happens.
> >
> > When you take in to account that the motors spin much slower throughout
> > the run, and you are not adding any rotational inertia of transmission,
> the
> > series/parallel set-up gets much lower ETs than a tranny or single-speed
> > could ever hope for. It sucks up a lot of HP to spin up all those rotating
> > parts.
Only in a light bike that is at the traction limit. A Car will have two
tires. And better chassis weight transfer.
I am not talking about a tranny, ONE big motor VS two smaller motors
with Series paralel. John's concept.
> >
> > When I modeled the bike in the computer, it became obvious that a
> > transmission was the wrong path to take. A single speed is slightly better
> > than a transmission if you have a large enough controller (or a by-pass
> > contactor.) Series/parallel wins hands down.
Yea I agree. YOUR BIKE is NOT the White Zombie.
> >
> > Did I mention that the smaller diameter motors have the advantage of lower
> > rotational inertia?
But your motors are 2, and you have a chain that connects the two, this
is a LOT of enertia to spin up.
> >
> > _ /| Bill "Wisenheimer" Dube'
> > \'o.O' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > =(___)=
> > U
> > Check out the bike -> http://www.KillaCycle.com
One of the founding concepts for a single large motor is, that the
actual limits are the size of the commutator. A single large one can
take a LOT more amps than many small ones.
It scales better than 2:1. So the smaller motors have the losses of the
drive train, and all the extra brushes and bearings.
You can get more from a single one done right, than from 2 not tuned
up.
A very fast Ev in Arizona has cut his motor weight in 1/2 and doubled if
not trippled the output Hp. It's rather clear that 1/2 the weight and 3
times the power are the way to go.
Now two really tuned up and fed all the amps they can stand... that is a
place nobody's gone yet.
So far all we have done is break things with the twin 8s in GP.
Come on Bill don't toss hand granades at the next Big thing in Ev Drag
racing.... tuned and Dialed in single big motors.
Can you say all your brushes have %100 swept area???, What does the face
look like, Pitted??? chipped, The brush leads, Blue, and straw
colored???
Got plasma trains leading from the brush towers???? Unless you take it
apart and Look, you don't know what you have.
I have been saying for years a single larger, but not too large motor
would probably out pull your 2 motors. I have a bike doing 12s up here
with a single motor, and Hawkers, and a measly OLD Raptor at 156 volts.
I forget what your last run was but it's been quite a while ago.
Please get some fresh Hawkers and get Killa cycle back on the track.
Series paralel is a good tool, and takes stock motors to places they
could not get to, but it is not a Cure all. Good motor prep, well
thought out drive trains, and Dogged determination are the winners.
John, and all the Big Mod Motors efforts have a rather rough row to hoe,
and there is Gold at the end of the rainbow, but it's hard and
expensive.
That's why I have a Dyno.
--
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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Hello,
i'm looking for manual or error code because our golf car go ahead without
any problem but when we select rear drive it stop immediatly with a -49
error on indicator.
an idea ?
Philippe
Et si le pot d'�chappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
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For your viewing pleasure:
This is a creative HONDA commercial for the UK market...
There are no computer graphics or digital tricks in the film.(link
below) Everything you see really happened in real time exactly as you
see
it. The film took 606 takes. On the first 605 takes, something, usually
very minor, didn't work. They would then have to set the whole
thing up again. The crew spent weeks shooting night and day. The film
cost six million dollars and took three months to complete,
including engineering the sequence. In addition, it's two minutes long
so every time Honda airs the film on British television,
they're shelling out enough dough to keep any one of us in clover for a
lifetime. However, it is fast becoming the most down loaded
advertisement in Internet history.
Honda executives figure the ad will soon pay for itself simply in
"free" viewings (Honda isn't paying a dime to have you watch this
commercial!). When the ad was pitched to senior executives, they signed
off on it immediately without any hesitation-including the costs.
There are six and only six handmade Accords in the world. To the horror
of Honda engineers, the film makers disassembled two of them to
make the film. Everything you see in the film (aside from the walls,
floor, ramp, and complete Honda Accord) are parts from those two
cars. The voice-over is Garrison Keillor.
When the ad was shown to Honda executives, they liked it and commented
on how amazing computer graphics have gotten. They fell off
their chairs when they found out it was for real. Oh! And about those
funky windshield wipers. On the new Accords, the windshield
wipers have water sensors and are designed to start doing their thing
automatically as soon as they become wet. It looks a bit weird in the
commercial. Just one-second of computer generation is used to link the
two halves-when an exhaust pipe rolls across the floor. At one
point, three tires roll uphill because inside they have been weighted
with bolts and screws.
Go to this website and watch the commercial....you won't believe it!
http://www.daboyz.org/honda/
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Jessie, Rod, an Rich Please put an E dragster together I will be more
> than willing to be in the other lane when you run. D Kilowatt
Dennis you might want to get a clue that this show is NOT about you....
If they PAY us for chasing you, Well that would be Fun now wouldn't it??
We intend to make some nify EVs, But I don't think a Et record setting
Rail is one of them.
--
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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Roderick Wilde wrote:
Yea they gave us scripts for the last and final shootings.
Most of the action will be as it happened.
What worries us all, is that there will be quite a bit of Graphics
editing showing how things work. And NObody contacted us for technical
directions. So.. We may look like fools
But So far it looks pretty good.
We will have to see. If emotional content is what they want, there's
plenty of that.
With a Madman and a Wilde man in the same show.... it's gotta be pretty
wound up.
--
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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This battery is the group 31 Yellow Top that's been discussed in this
forum.
It also fits in the GEM NEVs and a few GEM owners have replaced their
Trojans with Optimas.
Tom Shay
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:32 PM
Subject: Batteries for Think. Adding ampmeter & volt meter.
> Optima makes a 60 pound battery that will plug right into a Th!nk
Neighbor.
> Does Exide also make a 60 pounder that will plug in and is it as good as
the
> Marine batteries that are doing so well? The charger isn't all that
smart.
> I suppose it's hammering the sealed batteries that some Th!nks have. The
> Th!nk is sort of a no brainer electric car to drive but I have noticed
that
> I miss the info I get from the ampmeter and volt meter. I'd be nice also
to
> have charging amps also. Any suggestions?
>
>
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On the subject of motors. How much weight and amps can an 8" take before it
will zilch. I'm thinking of a 4 to 5 thousand pound truck vs. a 3250 pound
econobox. What will happen with an extra 1000 pounds? What is needed to
make it work? Lawrence Rhodes..
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A great 75ah 12v AGM
http://www.1st-optima-batteries.com/schema_D31A.asp
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Tom Shay
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Batteries for Think. Adding ampmeter & volt meter.
This battery is the group 31 Yellow Top that's been discussed in this
forum.
It also fits in the GEM NEVs and a few GEM owners have replaced their
Trojans with Optimas.
Tom Shay
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:32 PM
Subject: Batteries for Think. Adding ampmeter & volt meter.
> Optima makes a 60 pound battery that will plug right into a Th!nk
Neighbor.
> Does Exide also make a 60 pounder that will plug in and is it as good as
the
> Marine batteries that are doing so well? The charger isn't all that
smart.
> I suppose it's hammering the sealed batteries that some Th!nks have. The
> Th!nk is sort of a no brainer electric car to drive but I have noticed
that
> I miss the info I get from the ampmeter and volt meter. I'd be nice also
to
> have charging amps also. Any suggestions?
>
>
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On Friday, April 16, 2004 10:23 AM, Rich Rudman
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> So... the S/p set up will launch better, then you will have the
> same watts delivered to both motors. Then the lack of brush
> timing will strangle the twin motors just like it does a single
one.
Seems to me that you are confusing the issue here, Rich. There is
nothing about a series-parallel setup that precludes having the
brushes in 100% contact with the commutator and having the timing
optimised.
If series-parallel with "stock" motors offers an advantage over stock
motors without, then series-parallel with optimised timing and brush
contact should offer a similar advantage over similarly optimised
motors without.
> What S/P does is give you two electrical gears. and this is good
> if your motors Eff falls dramaticly at over 1000 amps.
So, have you got your dyno to run over 450A yet? Got any efficiency
numbers? What do you consider "dramatic"?
Taking EVParts' 9" curves, for example, it appears that at 1200A you
get just under 95HP out at about 55% efficiency, but from the same
curves, 2 of the same motors operated at 600A each would each produce
just over 50HP each, for about 7-10HP improvement. And there is no
indication that efficiency doesn't keep steadily dropping as current
increases further.
> A perfect run is to draw max amps from one end of the track to the
> other. S/P doesn't do this. It could.
Hang on a minute here, it either does or it doesn't; not it doesn't,
but could. This is like saying that brush timing doesn't help
(because most people don't have it set optimally, perhaps just as
most people may not have the series-parallel switch point optimised
yet), but that it could.
You've just admitted that series that series-parallel switching has
the ability to allow maximum amps to be drawn all the way down the
track if it is done right. That doesn't mean it is the only way to
get max amps all the way down the track, but it certainly says it is
a perfectly valid approach, and superior to any alternative that
won't allow this to happen.
> One of the founding concepts for a single large motor is, that the
> actual limits are the size of the commutator. A single large one
> can take a LOT more amps than many small ones.
Do you realise that this is exactly 180 degrees opposite to what you
have posted here in the not so distant past? You used to advocate
multiple motors as the way to *increase* the commutator and brush
area available to handle the power/heat.
> Come on Bill don't toss hand granades at the next Big thing in Ev
> Drag racing.... tuned and Dialed in single big motors.
> Series paralel is a good tool, and takes stock motors to places
> they could not get to, but it is not a Cure all. Good motor prep,
well
> thought out drive trains, and Dogged determination are the winners.
As I pointed out above, if series-parallel takes stock motors to
places they couldn't otherwise reach, what makes you think it won't
do the same for well-prepped motors?
Series-parallel may or may not be a superior substitute for proper
motor prep (I don't think anyone has proven that yet), but one does
not preclude the other: whatever improvement series-parallel offers
can be improved by proper motor prep, and whatever improvement proper
motor prep offers can benefit further from whatever series-parallel
can offer.
Just because your latest kick is the tweaked single big motor doesn't
justify throwing hand grenades at equally valid (and proven)
alternatives...
Cheers,
Roger.
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I couldn't find my sepex fault codes, must be
on the home computer.
Here's the section from the software.
Basically the field current is too low for a given
armature current.
ARMOS: LDA MINFLD ;
CMP #$4C ; 4 AMPS MINIMUM
BLO ARMOS1 ;
LDA MINFLD ;
SUB #$12 ;
CMP FLDACT ; IF FLDACT < MINFLD-3AMPS AND IM_AD>100
AMPS
BHI ARMOS2 ; INDICATE FAULT
BRA FLD_G ; FLD CURRENT IS OK
ARMOS1: LDA FLDACT ;10-23-94
CMP #$3A ;1.00 AMP,1.13V
BHI FLD_G
ARMOS2: LDA IM_AD ;5-18-93
CMP #$8F ;2.80V,100AMP
BLO FLD_G
LDA T1 ;FLD DELAY
CMP #$0FE ;1.27SEC
BLO FLDG
LDA #$31 ;FLT 49
JMP FLT
FLD_G: CLR T1 ;49 FLT DELAY
--- Philippe Borges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> i'm looking for manual or error code because our
> golf car go ahead without
> any problem but when we select rear drive it stop
> immediatly with a -49
> error on indicator.
> an idea ?
>
> Philippe
>
> Et si le pot d'�chappement sortait au centre du
> volant ?
> quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
> http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
>
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Rich;
If it takes off it will be good for you guys and great for EV's in general!
Lots of people watch American Chopper and now American Hot Rodder. So
the show should generate lots of interest, and yes emotional content
helps keep the non technical audience interested.
You don't really think that the audience for American Chopper tunes in
just to see how the bike looks do you?
Or even to see how Boyd finishes off his cars. You could tour the show
room for that kind of stuff.
So yes it's a good thing to have a Wilde Man and a Madman in one show!
Good Luck and have fun with it!!!
Bob
Rich Rudman wrote:
Roderick Wilde wrote:
Yea they gave us scripts for the last and final shootings.
Most of the action will be as it happened.
What worries us all, is that there will be quite a bit of Graphics
editing showing how things work. And NObody contacted us for technical
directions. So.. We may look like fools
But So far it looks pretty good.
We will have to see. If emotional content is what they want, there's
plenty of that.
With a Madman and a Wilde man in the same show.... it's gotta be pretty
wound up.
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elaine chiu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> any current consensus on a reliable, reasonably priced dc/dc converter
> to go from 144-156 vdc to 13? probably need 30 amps?
I bought a re-branded Iota standby battery charger for ~$250, it is just
as susceptible to water as the Todd's but not nearly as fragile electrically.
Mine puts out an honest 50A, they also have a 75A model. Just like many
switching supplies it is rated for AC input but runs fine on DC. And, being
designed and built as a battery charger as opposed to just a power supply,
has fault-handling characteristics, and a built-in fan:
http://www.iotaengineering.com/dls.htm
Mark Brueggemann
Albuquerque, NM
S10 EV
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Sam Uzi wrote:
airing (eastern time):
— Apr 22 2004 @ 10:00 PM
— Apr 23 2004 @ 01:00 AM
— Apr 25 2004 @ 01:00 PM
Meet the speed-hungry, rubber-burning,
adrenaline-pumped electro-nerds reinventing the electric car. These
backyard engineers believe they can achieve the goal that has eluded
eco-freaks for decades—making electric cars a sexy consumer item.
Is anyone taping? I hope after the show mpeg can be posted on
few servers for download. I'm for one, (may not be typical,)
don't have a cable TV in my home...
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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EVLN(goggle drunk in a fancy golf cart)
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http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/stories/20040415/localnews/235054.html
Local News - Thursday, April 15, 2004
Driver's ed students will see effects of DUI
By Jeff Gill The Times
For more information about the driver's education program this
summer at Gainesville High School, call the school at (770)
536-4441.
Gainesville High School plans to hold a driver's education class
again this summer, but with a slightly different twist.
Students will steer through an obstacle course in an electric car
while wearing goggles that simulate varying degrees of
intoxication.
The city police department, sponsoring the exercise with Hayes
Chrysler Dodge Jeep in Gainesville, plans to spend two days on the
effort.
"We think it's very important to show what the different levels of
impairment are and that it doesn't take much (drinking) to get to
that level," Chief Frank Hooper said. " ... Prevention is just as
important as enforcement."
Gainesville High now is registering students for the course, which
is set to run July 12-20. The course costs $250, with classes
running each day from 8 a.m. to noon, said instructor Wayne
Vickery.
Those interested in the class must at least have their learner's
permit. Successful completion could result in an insurance discount
of 15 percent to 20 percent.
The class has 30 slots, which will be filled on a first-come,
first-served basis, Vickery said.
The police department received a grant from the Governor's Office of
Highway Safety to run the program, police Sgt. Keith Lingerfelt
said.
The department also plans to take the electric car, which Lingerfelt
described as a "fancy golf cart," to other driver's education
programs in Northeast Georgia.
The highway safety office has designated the Gainesville Police
Department as the coordinating agency for the 11-county Northeast
Traffic Enforcement Network.
Other groups also are sponsoring events that focus on teen driving.
Road Atlanta in South Hall was to hold a safe driving clinic today
with 24 Hall County students.
Some "local celebrities" were to test their driving skills wearing
goggles that simulate impairment, according to Earl Fannin, the
course's director of media and marketing.
And National Honor Society chapters from East Hall, West Hall and
Flowery Branch high schools plan to hold a "Teens Rally for Life"
from 6:30 to 8:30 tonight at the Georgia Mountains Center.
The event will feature personal accounts by teens and their parents,
as well as talks by Panoz Racing School, insurance agents and area
law enforcement.
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Whistler Investments, Inc. (WHIS) Receives Invitation to the 3RD
APEC SME Technology Conference in Qingdao, China
LAS VEGAS, NV, April 15 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ - Whistler
Investments, Inc.'s - (http://www.whistlerinvestments.com)
subsidiaries R- Electric Car Corporation
(http://www.r-electriccar.com) and Global Electric Corporation
(http://www.globalelectric.com) are honored to announce that the
board has accepted a prestigious invitation to the Technology
Conference & Fair in Qingdao, China - June 2nd-6th, 2004
(http://www.apec-qingdao.cn).
Holly Roseberry, CEO of Whistler Investments (WHIS) stated, "This
major Asian technology event is clearly a superlative opportunity
for our leading- edge product line. We were honored with a personal
invitation to this event from event organizers due to the fact that
the demand for emission-free products is incredible in the Asian
market. We anticipate that, in a similar fashion to the Vancouver,
BC event, we will generate high interest from the public and
governmental sector throughout the Asian market."
Whistler Investments (WHIS) is sending several of its new products
as well as its core automotive and environmental products. A
delegation of executives will be on-hand to obtain contracts and
begin negotiations with Chinese government officials.
The invitation to this event was pursuant to the highly successful
GLOBE 2004 show in Vancouver, BC.
To view our company footage and live demonstrations from GLOBE 2004,
please visit: (http://www.whistlerinvestments.com/video.html).
[ http://www.whistlerinvestments.com/Globe%202004.wmv ]
Whistler Investments (WHIS) has been invited by APEC organizers to
launch the "R-Car", electric ATV and lithium powered products to
International business leaders and government officials from the
Member countries of APEC. The launch will work to address the
world's concern over increased levels of greenhouse gas emissions
and provide governments and consumers with "green" alternatives.
About Whistler Investments, Inc. Whistler Investments Inc. (WHIS)
is emerging as a leader in the development and marketing of Lithium
Ion Vehicles and Lithium Ion powered products worldwide. We at
Whistler believe our superior technology coupled with an aggressive
marketing plan will establish our company on the world stage. With
the global focus moving rapidly towards addressing pollution, the
need for sustainable, zero emission energy is current. As current
legislation is dictating a move towards this type of energy, we
foresee this industry as one of the fastest growing segments within
the global economy. For more information about Whistler Investments,
please visit our website at: (http://www.whistlerinvestments.com).
Investor Relations information can be obtained by contacting
Whistler directly at (888) 669-1808 (toll free) or (604) 646-5624 or
via email at: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
Forward Looking Statement This press release may include
forward-looking statements [...] Contact: Mills Communications
Alise Mills Government Relations & Corporate Communications (778)
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US Battery has for years been supportive of the road EV community. They'll
sell directly to you, delivering batteries either through a local dealer or
shipping them right to your garage. The price varies, depending on the
current cost of lead, but typically runs around $50 per module plus
shipping. My last batch of 8VGCs was around $53 each, IIRC.
They'll also fit whatever post style you like.
You won't get that kind of service with Trojan.
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business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation.
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Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>
> On the subject of motors. How much weight and amps can an 8" take before it
> will zilch. I'm thinking of a 4 to 5 thousand pound truck vs. a 3250 pound
> econobox. What will happen with an extra 1000 pounds? What is needed to
> make it work? Lawrence Rhodes..
In a heavy Ev with lots of use and hills the 8 is not that big a motor.
As you up the amps the hang time(duty cycle) drops. I say with more than
2500 lbs a 9 incher is much better. A 8 will work, but you will over
heat it with long 500 amp pulls.
It like 175 to 250 amps of loading, The 9" can take 300 to 500 much
better.
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Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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EVLN(Whistler Electric BMW MINI COOPER British Embassy vehicle)
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http://www.primezone.com/newsroom/news_releases.mhtml?d=55969
Source: Whistler Investments
Whistler Investments, Inc. (WHIS) to provide world's first lithium
powered Embassy vehicle
LAS VEGAS, MEXICO CITY and LONDON , April 16, 2004 (PRIMEZONE) --
Whistler Investments Inc. www.whistlerinvestments.com -- subsidiary
R-Electric Car Corporation www.r-electriccar.com is an emerging
leader in the development and marketing of lithium ion vehicles and
lithium ion powered products worldwide announced today that
executives from Whistler Investments have successfully completed
negotiations with the British Embassy, Mexico City to provide the
world's first lithium powered embassy fleet vehicle.
The British government and Whistler Investments executives have
selected BMW's MINI COOPER S type for this ground breaking project.
The Lithium vehicle will be used exclusively by the British Embassy,
Mexico as both a tool to highlight lithium power and to demonstrate
the British government's ongoing support of environmental
technology.
Holly Roseberry, President of Whistler Investments, Inc. stated, "We
are pleased to be working with the British Embassy in this capacity,
as we feel that this vehicle is the prefect embodiment of style,
technology and futuristic vision. This vehicle will provide Whistler
Investments and the British Government with a visible example of
sustainable zero emission vehicles. We anticipate unprecedented
exposure with the vehicle in Latin America and Europe, as it is
clearly unlike any other in use by any embassy."
The lithium BMW's MINI COOPER TYPE S is scheduled to be delivered at
the end of Q3, 2004 to an audience of international media and
dignitaries.
Global Electric, www.globalelectric.com, is currently nearing it's
completion of the recent project for the United States Navy a
further press release will announce the details of this project.
Whistler Investments is developing these projects at the Lithium
House facility in Van Nuys, California
About Whistler Investments, Inc.
Whistler Investments Inc. (WHIS) -- is emerging as a leader in the
development and marketing of Lithium Ion Vehicles and Lithium Ion
powered products worldwide.
We at Whistler believe our superior technology coupled with an
aggressive marketing Plan will establish our company on the world
stage. With the global focus moving rapidly towards addressing
pollution, the need for Sustainable, zero emission energy is
current. As current legislation is dictating a move towards this
type of energy, we foresee this Industry as one of the fastest
Growing segments within the global economy.
For more information about Whistler Investments, please visit our
website at www.whistlerinvestments.com
Investor Relation information can be obtained by contacting Whistler
directly at (888) 669-1808 or (604)-646-5624 or via email at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Forward Looking Statement This press release may include
forward-looking statements [...] CONTACT: Investor and Corporate
Contacts: Whistler Investments, Inc. Holly Roseberry, President
(888) 669-1808 (604) 646-5624 Fax: (604) 688-1817
www.whistlerinvestments.com
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Just like for FWD ICEs: it is meant to replace ICE's
engine/gearbox in front, but doesn't have to be in
front. Any FWD car can be converted to RWD by moving
it's engine/gear box to the rear, right?
The same applies to any EV drive - AC or DC.
The system has two half-shafts sticking out
of its gear box. Whichever axles you link them
to is up to you.
Another advantage is if your donor car has an
automatic or damaged transmission. You can ditch it.
Lee had a neat idea - take a normal FWD car and
add this system to the rear (VW bug or MR2 style)
thus creating a hybrid. In "EV mode" no need to run
ICE at all but you can always put the system in
continuous regen as you drive on ICE, thus recharging
your pack like Prius does and have no range limitation.
-- Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
1sclunn wrote:
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Another option is to use 100 kW max MES-DEA system; its AC induction
motors come integrated with single speed transmission as one unit.
Is this for front wheel drive cars ?
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http://www.middletonguardian.co.uk/news/index/articles/article_2180.html
Joining forces into the future
TEAM Blackley build the car of the future.
PUPILS at St John Bosco Primary School and Charlestown Primary have
joined forces to build the car of the future.
The eight-strong team are doing their bit for the environment by
designing and building an electric powered vehicle for the Green
Power competition, run by St Matthew�s Technology College.
The young students were asked to design an electric car big enough
to contain a driver and powered without traditional fuels. The
winning team will be the one whose car travels the furthest. The
model is now in the early stages of building and the team is
confident that it will be among the forerunners, and could qualify
for the regional and national finals later in the year.
The youngsters, all aged nine and 10, used the latest technology at
the drawing board stage, conducting many of their design meetings
through three-way video conferencing.
The competition aims to increase entrants' interest in electrical
and mechanical engineering and improve teamwork skills.
Head teacher at St John Bosco's, Maria Woodward, said: �The four
pupils from here and four from Charlestown Primary have combined for
this joint venture and have been very determined and dedicate to the
project from day one, when they completed the application to enter
the competition. The building is still in the early stages but the
team is confident that they can reach the finals.�
Fellow pupils at the Hall Moss Road school have also been working to
help the environment, and celebrated the Easter break by giving
their school grounds a spring clean.
With Manchester City Council's 100 Day drive to a clean city coming
to a close, every pupil at St John Bosco's took part in a drive to
rid the school's playgrounds and fields from rubbish.
The council's environment department provided the litter picks,
gloves, tools and rubbish sacks and the students set to work,
clearing the extensive grounds of all the litter.
Maria Woodward added: �All of the pupils have done their bit for the
environment during the council's Clean City initiative. They
provided the tools and our young students gathered up all the
rubbish. They worked hard to give the school a facelift and the
benefits are there for them all to see.�
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I agree. Now they wouldn't give me the large "L" posts I originally asked
for, but were fine with any of the other post styles. I got automotive SAE
posts. Pricing is very good.
Interestingly, all the distributors seem to be really in touch with the
company personnel and their involvements. I talked to Rick Fleenor in
Kansas City, and he knew about Nawaz, the EV list, and of USB's support for
EV's in general. I take that as a very good sign.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Roden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 3:35 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Flooded Battery Pricing
>
> US Battery has for years been supportive of the road EV community.
> They'll
> sell directly to you, delivering batteries either through a local dealer
> or
> shipping them right to your garage. The price varies, depending on the
> current cost of lead, but typically runs around $50 per module plus
> shipping. My last batch of 8VGCs was around $53 each, IIRC.
>
> They'll also fit whatever post style you like.
>
> You won't get that kind of service with Trojan.
>
>
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> 1991 Solectria Force 144vac
> 1991 Ford Escort Green/EV 128vdc
> 1970 GE Elec-trak E15 36vdc
> 1974 Avco New Idea rider 36vdc
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> Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It
> eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
> business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation.
>
> -- Johnny Hart
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