EV Digest 3487
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: My take on "Sucking Amps"
by "Peter Eckhoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: "Sucking Amps" was the best EV show ever!
by Bob Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: "Sucking Amps" was the best EV show ever!
by Seth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: "Sucking Amps" tomorrow night on Discovery
by Lightning Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Electric motorcycles/Range record attempt. Powerful charger. Small pack.
It's not the range but the charging time.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) What speed vs. RPM?
by "Klemkosky, Mark A" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Small electric motor
by "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) FWD from 4WD Colt Vista Wagon ?
by "Michael Jaross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Earth Day in Berkeley - EV and other alt. veh. needed
by Lisa Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: What speed vs. RPM?
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: (OT, solar) Trying to identify solar technology on used PV panels
by "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Two 8" vs 1 9"...Zombie Gets a BIG motor!
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: "Sucking Amps" Tonight on Discovery
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Sucking Amps
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) "Sucking Amps" on Discovery and the EV Grin
by Ryan Bohm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: "Sucking Amps" was the best EV show ever!
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: My take on "Sucking Amps"
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Sucking Amps on Discovery Channel
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) RE: EV Dash SW for Palm Pilot interface to Link10 E-meter
by "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: "Sucking Amps" Tonight on Discovery
by Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: "Sucking Amps" was the best EV show ever!
by Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Electric motorcycles
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Small electric motor
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Newbie,ICE Racer comments on "Sucking Amps"
by "Raymond Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Small electric motor
by Justin Southam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Gone Postal Ques
by Aaron Birenboim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Buying questions: Soleq EV
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: Buying questions: Soleq EV
by Seth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To me, the Discovery team were like parents showing their kids putting their
all into something wholesome and beneficial. Not only the kids but the
whole neighborhood in general. The neat thing about it was that we got to
be "part of the Family" watching you and the others creating Gone Postal.
Thanks for letting us in to view a great slice of life!!!
"Cousin" Peter
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From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 17:14 PM
Subject: My take on "Sucking Amps"
> Hi All, I was very impressed with the educational aspect of the show. The
> action seemed non stop. I was glad we had so many different amp heads
> involved. It would have been great to have "Plasma Boy" involved but I
knew
> he had a "real" job and couldn't get away for six weeks of 10 hour a day
of
> filming. I won't find out if we go to series until the beginning of the
week
> but I feel quite confident that it will happen. Then I can bring in people
> like John Wayland. We are currently both competing for the same record and
> things are going to be tense. Us racing each other and all the trash talk
> would make for good TV. I felt the show had interest for a good cross
> section of the population. We are getting feedback from many people who
> never gave electric vehicles a second thought and now want one. Some
people
> even want to build electric race cars to kick our butt. This is great!
They
> also didn't portray us as nerds. I was ready for them. I was about to make
> an in your face T-shirt that said: I would rather be an "Electro Nerd"
than
> a "Petro Turd" :-)
>
> Roderick
> "Suck Amps EV Racing"
>
>
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Rod;
This is a drag vehicle, why run an independent rear setup?
Why not put a 9 inch Ford under it, or if you have to run an independent
rear, how about a Winters or Hali brand center section, with half
shafts, or maybe a Corvette style rear
Jag would not hold up as well I don't think
You sure won't break the rear end components, but you would have to give
up 1 rear motor. maybe1 rear motor larger than the existing ones????
I'm not trying to 2nd guess you guys, but I know from lots of racing
experience how strong 9 inch Ford rears are.
But you know a lot more about EV's than I ever will.
Bob
David Dymaxion wrote:
Mustang and Corvette IRSs might be up to it. Figure about 3:1 for
first gear, 3:1 for the rear end, for roughly an overall 10:1
reduction ratio. Stock the motors make almost 400 ft lbs of torque,
so they are taking about 4000 ft lbs of torque at the rear axle.
Dang, the GP does twice the torque of a V8 Corvette, on just one of
the two axles!
--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
off the line. If it divides evenly (it may not) this is 7,500
ft-lbs per
side. You are going to have a tough time finding IRS components to
take
this much torque. Perhaps something from a large truck.
...
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A note:
Paint the halfshafts red and green for port and starboard or something.
300M doesn't like to be used in axles if you reverse the direction of
the stress. It is exactly what you are doing that Carroll Smith
("Engineer to Win") mentions as a downside to 300M. As long as they
don't get swapped, you will be fine. If you want interchangeability,
use straight 4340.
If you are snapping 4340, you need a geometry change, not a material
change, IMO.
Seth
On Apr 23, 2004, at 6:11 PM, Roderick Wilde wrote:
Thanks Bill for the offer of your engineering expertise. We probably
could
have used it in the beginning of the project but I think we are about
there.
Just today I received inner and outer CV joints from The Driveshaft
Shop in
New York www.driveshaftshop.com. These puppies have been tested with
600
foot pounds of torque at the motor shaft of a rag race car that has
1100 HP
at the crank and 850 to the ground. It is turbo charged and has nitrous
injection. It turns in the low 8s. I feel confident we are going to
solve
our breakage problem. The outer CVs are made of 300M steel. The inners
are
chrome molly. We are having the axles made of 300M also. Father Time
will be
picking up the axle material from me to take it to the heat treater
for the
initial core heat treat. This is followed by the machining and then a
double
heat treat process to case harden them. Also we will be driving
differently
at the strip. On the street when I twisted off the 4340 heat treated
axle I
didn't preload the drive so there was a tremendous shock load applied.
Roderick
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:41 AM
Subject: "Sucking Amps" was the best EV show ever!
As everyone knows that watched it, "Sucking Amps" was the best EV TV
show
ever. Great stuff!
Send me the dimensions of the drive box and I'll design a chain drive
to
fit. Also, send me the dimensions of the rear drive components and
I'll
tell you how much torque they will withstand. You can then set the
Zilla
to
a hold a motor current limit that won't break the "weakest link".
_ /| Bill "Wisenheimer" Dube'
\'o.O' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
=(___)=
U
Check out the bike -> http://www.KillaCycle.com
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What could I possibly say that hasn't already been said?
Great show, better then I expected! (less drama, more real)
Can't wait to watch the next one (Fine Tuning and Record Making)!
L8r
Ryan
PS. I have it on tape, digital soon. Gonna try and get
permission to show it at the next SEVA meeting if we wanna.
Roderick Wilde wrote:
Hi All, If you tune in tomorrow night at 10 PM and like the show please send
feedback to the following address:
http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations You support is much appreciated!
Thanks,
Roderick
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
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The advantage of an efficient vehicle is using a powerful charger, making a
purpose built bike, Small pack will charge real quick with a PFC charger.
I don't want to go nuts but when you build it yourself you can put what ever
in it and it will work. I see the batteries on the bottom. Motor behind
and below the seat. Charger in front of the rider. Like a tank. All
covered by the fairing. I imagine a 48v 250 pound pack of flooded would
charge in as fast as 15 minutes with a PFC 50. Might take a while for the
taper but it aught to be quick. Maybe only a 20 would be needed. But I
don't want this bike to be just a record setter. I want it to be a daily
driver after the record is set. Jerry you figure 200 miles with 2.5 hp on 4
large 12v batteries or are you thinking some other chemistry like NI CAD?
Mr. Rudman you listening. You got any figures for small pack charging?
Lawrence Rhodes........
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From: "jerry dycus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: Electric motorcycles/Range record attempt.
> Hi Lawrence and All,
> --- Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 60 amps is 3hp? Wow that's more than I thought.
> At 50 vdc nom.
> 1 hp = 746 watts plus losses for eff so about 830
> watts/hp in real life for the E-Tek and about
> 930watts/hp for the A-89.
> Using your fairing you could get down to about
> 2.5 hp at 60 mph with a good drag reduction program.
> 2.5 hp would be about 40 wt/hr/mile.
> If you get down to 50wt/hr/mile which you should
> be able to do, a 10 kw batt pack gets you 200 miles
> range. YMMV
> > Lawrence Rhodes. Maybe we
> > go recumbent. I have two Lectra wheels. One with a
> > tire on it. Might be a
> > good place to start. Build from the ground up. The
> > point is to also
> > introduce good aerodynamics into a street bike.
> Yes, aero, ground up is the key!
> jerry dycus
>
>
> > Lawrence Rhodes.....
>
>
>
>
>
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I'm new to the list and am building my first EV. Most of my cars are
older high performance vehicles so my goal is to build somewhat of a
performance EV.
That stated, I have a 73 MG Midget as a donor vehicle. It's gutted and
the low voltage wiring is about done. I'm planning on putting in a
Jerico 2sp with a 1st gear ratio of 1.71. I can squeeze in two parallel
strings of D51 yellow tops at 192 volts apiece (low internal R and ~25
A/lb). I will use a 2K amp controller, even though I'll be lucky to
push 1500A, and am planning on using either an 11" or 13" motor. Also,
I will be using a custom Ford 9" rear but I need a gut feel for the rear
ratio...
The question is, if I want to see strong acceleration up to 60 MPH, at
what motor RPM would I want to target that speed for? For example, would
60 MPH at 4000 RPM seem acceptable? Or would I want 60 MPH to be more
around 3000 RPM? Or....???
Thanks!
-Mark
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Hello everyone,
I am try to get my electric bike project rolling [literally]
and I am looking for a light motor capable of about 500 watts nominal
power. I checked evparts.com but I couldn't seem to find one matching my
specs.
any help is appreciated
-
Martin Klingensmith
www.infoarchive.net
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I have my eye on a Colt Vista Wagon in great condition with a burned engine. I think
it might make a good DC EV conversion. PROBLEM: 4WD. Anyone out there know if it is
possible to just disconnect the front drive axels ? Or any other shortcut to
eliminating the drag of 4WD so I just get FWD ? Thanks, Michael
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Earth Day 12 - 5 pm, Saturday, April 24th, 2004.
EV, biodiesel, hybrids, etc. drivers wanted to park
in the alternative energy section of the fair. If
anyone is interested please arrive at 11 am and enter
at Allston and Milvia in downtown Berkeley.
Questions can be directed to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cheers,
Lisa Di Iulio Jones
RAV4 EV
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It depends on the controller you use.
See the message from Otmar sent Saturday, April 17, 2004 12:30 PM.
It shows the power being transferred from the batteries to the motors over a
range of speeds using two electrical transfer functions. If you have a
mechanical transmission, you will get the same two peaks where the speed
ratio is the ratio of the transmission gear spread.
You can make your peaks at any speed you desire. You just need to know your
motor, battery pack, controller and gear ratio properties.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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From: "Klemkosky, Mark A" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 10:43 AM
Subject: What speed vs. RPM?
>
> I'm new to the list and am building my first EV. Most of my cars are
> older high performance vehicles so my goal is to build somewhat of a
> performance EV.
>
> That stated, I have a 73 MG Midget as a donor vehicle. It's gutted and
> the low voltage wiring is about done. I'm planning on putting in a
> Jerico 2sp with a 1st gear ratio of 1.71. I can squeeze in two parallel
> strings of D51 yellow tops at 192 volts apiece (low internal R and ~25
> A/lb). I will use a 2K amp controller, even though I'll be lucky to
> push 1500A, and am planning on using either an 11" or 13" motor. Also,
> I will be using a custom Ford 9" rear but I need a gut feel for the rear
> ratio...
>
> The question is, if I want to see strong acceleration up to 60 MPH, at
> what motor RPM would I want to target that speed for? For example, would
> 60 MPH at 4000 RPM seem acceptable? Or would I want 60 MPH to be more
> around 3000 RPM? Or....???
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> -Mark
>
>
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Hi EVerybody,
A big thanks for all the replies guys!! I appreciate it! I'll test these and
then test the waters on pricing them with the owner.
I would assume that nobody has seen the 6 inch round disk type with gold
grids and can tell me what type of panel technology it is. I don't know if
it's an early thin film amphorous or mono crystaline. That would perhaps
greatly aid me in researching life expectancy and then make a blind guess
about their ~value~, regardles of output. I know my current thin film
amphorous panels are warranted for 5 years to put out 80% of rated curent.
After five years, I worry that it will fall off from that 80% exponentially
faster. Five years isn't bad, considering that the rool-up flexible panels
are only warranted for 3 years! OOOUCH! They aren't inexpensive either, just
a lot lighter than the glass type I have.
I'll try testing the used panels my friend's neighbor has tomorrow if he is
home and doesn't mind.
I especially appreciate the test procedures given. I would have been worried
about dead shorting PV panels into my DVTM. I usually send smoke tests when
I do things like that without verifying such procedures. It's good to have
such a fine and valuable resource as this at our disposal. Pat yourselves on
the back!!!
Regards and thanks,
Rick
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There are also vehicles called SandRails.
An expensive one is at
http://adcache.atvtraderonline.com/16/6/8/68641368.htm
A cheaper one is at http://adcache.atvtraderonline.com/16/6/0/69470560.htm
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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From: "Otmar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: Two 8" vs 1 9"...Zombie Gets a BIG motor!
> >I have heard the term 'rail' several times and I don't know what it
> >is, could you tell me?
> >
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> No one has tried twin small motors in a rail with a Zilla
> >>2000. The math says it should be quicker... Much quicker.
>
> A rail is a type of drag race car, usually very long and narrow.
> Dennis Berube's car is a rail, you can see it here:
> http://www.CurrentEliminator.net/
>
> hth.
> --
> -Otmar-
>
> http://www.evcl.com/914 My electric 914
> http://www.CafeElectric.com/ Zilla controllers in production, see them
here.
>
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I just got a e mail form the Discovery channel
"Thank you for contacting Discovery Networks. We appreciate you taking the
time to share your thoughts and concerns with us regarding Sucking Amps.
They will be forwarded to our program management and executives and will be
taken into consideration. Comments such as yours are very important to us,
as viewer opinions tell us what we can improve on and what our audience
enjoys. It is these types of comments that contribute to creating change
and improving programming."
great show , and was fun to see some of the ev stars on tv ,
Steve clunn
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Hello to All,
As I said....this year's EV drag racing is going to be great! I heard that Rod, Father
Time, the Madman, and others are heading to Portland on the 30th this coming
Friday....a
mini glimpse at this year's Portland International Raceway NEDRA EVent? I'll be going
for
the 100 mph barrier on Friday, at 240V and with improved rear end geometry, up from the
216V level where the car ran 97 mph last Fall.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> ....And didn't he say after the first run that he still crossed the traps at 15 some
> odd seconds and 95mph; that is waaaayy >more impressive than the filmography shows.
> Consider, Plasma Boy is hoping to break 100mph this season with the Zombie and
>GP is only 5mph away with only 1/3 of it's motors working for 2/3 of the pull in a
vehicle that weighs more than twice as
>much.
Suck on this....Gone Postal hit 90 as it crossed the traps, not 95, though 90 mph is
still
way impressive for a 4000+ lb. brick. The Zombie's presently hitting 97 (in another
form,
it hit 99.6 mph), a 7 mph difference and a pretty large amount in the world of 1/4
mile EV
drag racing! In fact, the Zombie's just shy of 90 at the end of the 1/8th mile, so it's
nearly hitting Gone Postal's final trap speed in half the distance....I'm not too
worried
about Rod's little mail truck :-) Now Otmar and that little orange 914, that's another
story. They were just fractions of a second away from that elusive 100 mph mark!
> If they can get a full-power pull without breaking anything they will SMOKE the
> Zombie. To hell with the Viper.
Rod's been known to smoke all kinds of stuff, though I'm not sure what he's been
smoking
lately :-) As to smoking the Zombie, he's going to need a fourth motor to pull that one
off! I hope Rod makes a special delivery and he and his postal van show'n up at the
track
on the 30th, unless of course, he's afraid of getting his butt kicked! Oh yeah...as to
the
'Gone Postal' theme, I'm the one who actually worked at the post office...I also went
postal a few times, too!
I've got a fresh set of Orbitals for the Madman to stuff in Goldie, so he can go faster
than he's ever gone before, though I'll still kick his butt. Father Time could run 12's
with any of his bikes, so I'll be nice to him, and that triple motored Z Car could give
the Zombie some trouble as well. Of course, if Rod wakes up the Mazda from its long
hibernation, that would be another story. If they can keep GP in one piece long
enough, it
'should' be fast.
As to the Suck Amps show...I also loved it, and it was great fun to see my buddies in
the
spot light. It's too bad it had to end with those bad camera angle shots, that made GP
seem like it was crawling against the powerful Viper, but hey, that's the way it goes
when
you have no control over the final product and you're dealing with a writing/camera
crew
who are clueless about racing.
Of course, it's easy to sit back and be critical...but... In the beginning, where they
pretty much introduce the audience to Crazy Rod and are talking about what 'Amp Heads'
are, they could have easily shown a brief 30 seconds or so of various video clips, with
Maniac Mazda pulling its wheel stand and of it totally blowing off Vipers. This would
have
got the audience, most who were unaware that EVs could do stuff like this, all pumped
up
and excited to see what Rod and his friends would be building-up in that shop!
Following
the brief history lesson of what's come before and of what Rod has already
accomplished,
it would have set the tone for the rest of the show....something like this, "Now, he's
gone off the deep end, and is once again taunting the Vipers, but this time he's
hopping
up a funky postal van!"..that, followed up with that great sound bite of Rod's where he
pretty much says all this. If they had done this, the rest of the show would have made
a
lot more sense. Even with the disappointing loss at the end to the Viper, the audience
would still have that visual in their head of Rod's other electric car blowing off the
Vipers. It would have made the loss have meaning and it would have set the stage for a
rematch, one that the audience could really get excited over, because after all, this
guy's
beat 'em before. I also wish they would have simply swung the cameras around while at
the
Las Vegas track and shown Oat's 914 lighting up the tires and that bike of Father
Time's
melting its rear drag tire, again, to give them a taste of electric power they could
see
and go 'WOW' over....there's nothing like an EV blistering its tires in clouds of
smoke,
to open the non-believer's eyes!
Anyway....it was still a great moment for EVs, and it's a real step in the right
direction
to get average folks enthused over EVs. After last night's get-together, my foreman,
Rick,
must have called me three times, all excited over the show, all excited over rad EVs,
and
talking about how he and Kelly (my former formean before I had my territory changed)
will
be at the track on the 30th. I had hinted that the GP crew, Madman, and Father Time and
company might be showing up, and he really got jazzed over it!
So guys up north...we on for an EV invasion at PIR on the 30th? There's a lot of talk
locally today all about Gone Postal after everyone caught the Discovery Ch. bit, so the
timing of showing up with it down here at the track, would be perfect! I'm hoping that
someone from the Datsun club will bring a hopped up 1200 to race against me...that
would
be way fun, too. We'll have at least two video cameras rolling, so a grudge match
between
Plasma Boy and his White Zombie and Crazy Rod and his Gone Postal could be captured for
others to see.
See Ya...John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
Going to nab that 100 mph before someone else beats me to it!
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I was grinning the whole way through the show! Got my parents to tape
it since I don't have cable, and have been anxious to get the tape till
tonight. I've had people tell me about it. Great publicity.
Good job FT, Rich, Roderick, and everyone that made it awesome.
-Ryan
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David Dymaxion wrote:
>
> Mustang and Corvette IRSs might be up to it. Figure about 3:1 for
> first gear, 3:1 for the rear end, for roughly an overall 10:1
> reduction ratio. Stock the motors make almost 400 ft lbs of torque,
> so they are taking about 4000 ft lbs of torque at the rear axle.
>
> Dang, the GP does twice the torque of a V8 Corvette, on just one of
> the two axles!
>
> --- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ...
> > off the line. If it divides evenly (it may not) this is 7,500
> > ft-lbs per
> > side. You are going to have a tough time finding IRS components to
> > take
> > this much torque. Perhaps something from a large truck.
> > ...
>
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HU nnH??? What first Gear??? we are direct with only the 3.75:1 on the
back end. It's only 1500 ft lbs per side. Peaks of 3000 maybe on the
launch.
--
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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Bob Brooks wrote:
>
> Rod;
>
> Nice job on the show. It should generate a lot of interest for EV's!!!
>
> Next time you guys film at the track, try to get the film crew to get
> some closeups shots of GP launching. They would be a lot more
> impressive than the shots from 1/2 track!!
>
> Great job!! And it's nice to be able to put some faces with some of the
> names from the list.
>
> A filmed "Friendly" Rivalry between you and Mr Wayland would make for
> good tv too. But you need another couple of shows showing GP getting
> sorted out.
>
> Maybe you can Dennis to come out and play too.....
>
> Bob
>
They did show the launches because they were rather pathetic. When We
get it TO lauch, at full power, then we will do some bragging.
As of last weekend we CAN launch with wheel spin should we want to. But
the Back end will have to wait for the new stuff that just got handed to
Rod today. These new half shafts will move the weak point backinto the
Chain case. Hopefully we can get some hot runs from this equipment.
I am looking forward to the Series launch, then the paralel surge. I
have never pushed it this hard on the street. I WANT to!!!
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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cristin wrote:
>
> Great show! I have already contacted Discovery to ask them to make it a
> series.
>
> I also innocently asked if there were other EV dragsters they could
> show as well.
>
> It was also very nice to finally put faces to names, and the bonus
> cameo of the PFC-50.
>
> -C
Yea I thought so Too!!
That same PFC50 is feeding the GP right now!!
--
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
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Thanks Ed-
It's still a no-go for my M105 running EVDash.
I followed the sequence you described, but the only thing that changes from
all zeros on the display is that KWH changes from 0.0kwh to 1.97kwh ....
very strange.
My E-meter is a refurbished Link10 w/serial port. The data line from the
Link10 definitely has signal (0-5v) on it. My Palm M105 apparently runs
Palm OSv3.5 . The EVDash program definitely has SERIAL PORT selected as
input.
So it's got me baffled.
I'm wondering if the Link10 data stream output may have changed over the
years or perhaps the output RS232 driver chip isn't compatible with the
Palm.
Tomorrow I'll bring my laptop PC out to try a hyperterminal link with the
Emeter and see if I can at least see data.
What version EVDash are you using? The one I downloaded is v1.1.
Thanks again-
-Myles
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Steve, Thanks for the support. All actions no matter how small you
may feel they are have a signicant effect on changing the world. Keep
up the good work Steve!
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
I just got a e mail form the Discovery channel
"Thank you for contacting Discovery Networks. We appreciate you taking the
time to share your thoughts and concerns with us regarding Sucking Amps.
They will be forwarded to our program management and executives and will be
taken into consideration. Comments such as yours are very important to us,
as viewer opinions tell us what we can improve on and what our audience
enjoys. It is these types of comments that contribute to creating change
and improving programming."
great show , and was fun to see some of the ev stars on tv ,
Steve clunn
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Bob, One thing that I have not explained in great dealtail on the
Suck Amps dot com site is that part of my goal with this vehicle is
handling. It is the reason I wanted independent rear suspension. It
is the reason I wanted the batteries mounted low and in the center of
the vehicle in order to give a low MOL (moment of inertia). My goal
is to blow off Vetts and Miada's in Autocross. Can you imagine what
it would "THE" point of the project.
Roderick
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
Rod;
This is a drag vehicle, why run an independent rear setup?
Why not put a 9 inch Ford under it, or if you have to run an
independent rear, how about a Winters or Hali brand center section,
with half shafts, or maybe a Corvette style rear
Jag would not hold up as well I don't think
You sure won't break the rear end components, but you would have to
give up 1 rear motor. maybe1 rear motor larger than the existing
ones????
I'm not trying to 2nd guess you guys, but I know from lots of racing
experience how strong 9 inch Ford rears are. But you know a lot more
about EV's than I ever will.
Bob
David Dymaxion wrote:
Mustang and Corvette IRSs might be up to it. Figure about 3:1 for
first gear, 3:1 for the rear end, for roughly an overall 10:1
reduction ratio. Stock the motors make almost 400 ft lbs of torque,
so they are taking about 4000 ft lbs of torque at the rear axle.
Dang, the GP does twice the torque of a V8 Corvette, on just one of
the two axles!
--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
... off the line. If it divides evenly (it may not) this is 7,500
ft-lbs per side. You are going to have a tough time finding IRS
components to
take this much torque. Perhaps something from a large truck.
...
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Lawrence you are undoubtedly right and I just remembered it backwards. You
might check the triple trees on yours to see if they are symetrical as I
also seemed to remember something being done there too. I have a pair of
forks tubes but no `trees so nothing to compare. Probably will just try and
source some down at the cycle wreckers. I will have to measure the two
frames I have here and compare to other street bikes. Might already be the
way I want. I am not all that concerned with "low speed handling" on the
street bike. David Chapman.
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: Electric motorcycles
> Ok another thing I don't understand. I thought the neck was changed 5% to
> have better low speed handling. The Lectra neck is raked too much
according
> to EMB at the time. Scott Cronk got your ears on? What is the real
answer.
> Lawrence Rhodes.
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What are your specs? Besides 500 watts that is. David Chapman.
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From: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:51 PM
Subject: Small electric motor
> Hello everyone,
> I am try to get my electric bike project rolling [literally]
> and I am looking for a light motor capable of about 500 watts nominal
> power. I checked evparts.com but I couldn't seem to find one matching my
> specs.
> any help is appreciated
> -
> Martin Klingensmith
> www.infoarchive.net
>
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Just thought you would like to see what an ICE racer thought of the show.
This is from the NSCA forum: "I watched it and thought it was great.
Although it seemed like the script was written by the same guys that do the
chopper show and hot rod show . Their project was definately Cool. Did they
ever get the bugs worked out and get a chance to run it again?" This poster
is from Fairbanks. Alaska.
I am from Canada and have yet to see the show. Very disappointed with
Discovery Channel as I wrote to magazine articles about and did lots of
hyping on the net about it, and then they don't air it up here.
Raymond Knight
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Hi Martin, how about the MT5121 or MT5130 on evparts.com.
Justin
At 03:51 24/04/04 -0000, you wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>I am try to get my electric bike project rolling [literally]
>and I am looking for a light motor capable of about 500 watts nominal
>power. I checked evparts.com but I couldn't seem to find one matching my
>specs.
>any help is appreciated
>-
>Martin Klingensmith
>www.infoarchive.net
>
>
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Although I enjoyed the show very much... it did not answer
many of the questions I hoped it would.
* Whats going on with the shifting?
It looked like the rear motors were fixed gear.
Were you shifting only on the front?
If so, was there a way to continue delivering
power at the rear while the front was shifting?
* Was that a straight-fixed rear axle? (fixed/no differential)
* How many controllers? 1 front, 1-rear with series/parallel...
or 3 seperate controllers.
If they do more, I want to see more of the racing cars,
Father Time's bike, and definately Otmar's couch and/or bar-stools.
What parts were faked? Was it really some random guy doing
the emergency weld with 4 sunglasses, or was that one of the crew...
and they just didn't film it, so they re-created?
I wonder how the character protrayals compare to real life.
Rod seemed very intense, very Jesse James like.
Rich seemed beyond mellow.
Ot didn't have enough time to say much.
To me, the most interesting character was Father Time.
Perfect storybook kind and gentle, wise elder statesman.
I guess that little quip about wearing a pipe wrench was canned,
but he still seems very amusing. I want to see him race!
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Hi Jerry,
My only thoughts are that those sealed lead acid
batteries, if they have no regulators on them, will
last you about 9 mos. to 1.5 years.
If you like the Escort body, don't worry about the
battery racks. Retaining someone to weld is not a
costly endeavor. _Powdercoating_ is a costly
endeavor. Designing the racks is a _time-intensive_
endeavor.
Best of success with your decision.
Peace,
--- Jerry McIntire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Let fly with your opinions please. My family is
> very interested in a 93
> Ford Escort that was an EV from day one. The Soleq
> corporation in Chicago
> bought gliders and put in:
>
> Motor: 40 Kw General Electric shunt-wound
> DC motor�
> Drivetrain: Standard Ford 5 speed transmission
> and clutch assembly, uses
> 2nd and 3rd gears only
> Controller: Soleq 40 kW separately excited DC
> traction control system
> Batteries: 18 Sonnenshein sealed 6 Volt
> System Voltage: 108 volts
> Charger: Soleq 120 VAC selectable input current
> limit, 30 Amp, 20 Amp,
> or 16 Amp
> Heater: 2 Kw electric cabin heater
> DC/DC Converter: Soleq 40 Amp
> Instrumentation: a) Tachometer
> b) Digital volt
> meter,
> c) Digital ampere
> meter
> Top Speed: 85 mph
> Range: Average is 40 miles (60 if driven
> conservatively)
> Seating: 5
> Weight: 4019 Pounds
>
> My remaining questions: what is the life expectancy
> of the sealed
> Sonnensheins compared to a Trojan T105 (I'm
> imagining less)? Can something
> like the T105 be installed at replacement time
> without major battery rack
> refabricating? How is the quality of the Soleq
> components: the DC/DC, the
> controller, the charger?
>
> As you can probably guess, we are not very
> interested in acceleration. We
> want room for the family and maximum range (without
> breaking the bank). Of
> course, we'd be open to better batteries when
> replacement time comes if
> there is a reliable supplier and significantly
> better energy density and a
> reasonable price available...
>
> Jerry
>
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I beg to differ. Sonnenschein and Deka chemistry gel batteries if
treated correctly with no regulators can do as much as 35,000 miles in
a smaller conversion. Typical is more like 20,000, but that's better
than most anything else I read about on the list.
Seth
On Apr 24, 2004, at 9:43 AM, Bob Bath wrote:
Hi Jerry,
My only thoughts are that those sealed lead acid
batteries, if they have no regulators on them, will
last you about 9 mos. to 1.5 years.
If you like the Escort body, don't worry about the
battery racks. Retaining someone to weld is not a
costly endeavor. _Powdercoating_ is a costly
endeavor. Designing the racks is a _time-intensive_
endeavor.
Best of success with your decision.
Peace,
--- Jerry McIntire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello all,
Let fly with your opinions please. My family is
very interested in a 93
Ford Escort that was an EV from day one. The Soleq
corporation in Chicago
bought gliders and put in:
Motor: 40 Kw General Electric shunt-wound
DC motor�
Drivetrain: Standard Ford 5 speed transmission
and clutch assembly, uses
2nd and 3rd gears only
Controller: Soleq 40 kW separately excited DC
traction control system
Batteries: 18 Sonnenshein sealed 6 Volt
System Voltage: 108 volts
Charger: Soleq 120 VAC selectable input current
limit, 30 Amp, 20 Amp,
or 16 Amp
Heater: 2 Kw electric cabin heater
DC/DC Converter: Soleq 40 Amp
Instrumentation: a) Tachometer
b) Digital volt
meter,
c) Digital ampere
meter
Top Speed: 85 mph
Range: Average is 40 miles (60 if driven
conservatively)
Seating: 5
Weight: 4019 Pounds
My remaining questions: what is the life expectancy
of the sealed
Sonnensheins compared to a Trojan T105 (I'm
imagining less)? Can something
like the T105 be installed at replacement time
without major battery rack
refabricating? How is the quality of the Soleq
components: the DC/DC, the
controller, the charger?
As you can probably guess, we are not very
interested in acceleration. We
want room for the family and maximum range (without
breaking the bank). Of
course, we'd be open to better batteries when
replacement time comes if
there is a reliable supplier and significantly
better energy density and a
reasonable price available...
Jerry
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(in progress)! ____
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=D-------/ - - \
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