EV Digest 3836
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Fw: Motors from the For Ranger
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Wanted: photo of Corbin Sparrow for website
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3) Congratulations Rick Roller and Brian Hall
by "Raymond Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Seven year old 18650 Li-ion cell's calender life
by Sam Thurber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Fw: EDTA, New EV & hybrid tax deductions
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: PNGV, EV's and low hanging fruit
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Wanted: DCP controller
by "EAA-contact" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: electric-car race
by "Cliff Rassweiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Formula Lightning at Mid-Ohio
by "Roy Nutter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Lithium Mobile Power 2004 - "Wish I could go.."
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Wanted: photo of Corbin Sparrow for website
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Fw: Motors from the For Ranger
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Motors from the For Ranger
by "Kirk A. Reinkens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) RE: PNGV, EV's and low hanging fruit
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
15) Re: Motors from the For Ranger
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Regs!
by Gravity Girl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: 54V generator?
by Robert MacDowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
by Robert MacDowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) An update from AC Propulsion
by "George S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Stanford EVent
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Stanford EVent
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
22) Re: Stanford EVent
by Marc Geller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Need help finding part
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Seems a bit stiff on the price. I thought AC motors were cheap. These are
the orginal motors for the Ford Ranger EV. Lawrence Rhodes........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: Motors from the For Ranger
> Hello,
>
> We only have the MOTORS.
>
> $2000.00 each includes FREE SHIPPING in the USA lower 48 states
>
> regards,
> Harold
> (310) 632-9867
> Electro Mavin
> Rancho Dominguez, CA. 90221
> www.mavin.com
>
> Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>
> >Do you also have the controllers for these motors. Lawrence
> >Rhodes............
> >
> >
> >
>
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Would anyone like a photo of their Corbin Sparrow on a new website?
The website is http://hi-mpg.org, which was started as a means to
identify fuel-efficient vehicles that people actually can get excited
about and would be really proud of owning. So while Geo Metros and Kia
Sephias don't qualify, Corbin Sparrows do! Alas, it's not every day
(or even every month) that I actually see a Sparrow on the road (esp.
after they were discontinued), much less be able to photograph
one--hence, instead of just ripping one off of the 'net and possibly
violating copyrights, I thought I'd solicit photos from actual owners.
I actually only need one good photo, so whoever emails me the best
photo by, say, Wednesday or so gets their photo on the Corbin Sparrow
page. I don't expect to receive a lot of replies to this request but
if that happens, I may rotate photos throughout the year so that those
who take the time to reply to this request aren't doing so for
nothing...
Thanks in advance. Happy EV'ing!
-Felix
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I just wanted to drop a quick note and public congratulate Rick Roller and
Brian Hall on breaking our 24 volt record two weeks ago. You guys did a
great job. And for those that don't realize it, this also means all the
NEDRA record holders are back in the US now. You deserve congratulations for
that as well.
With that said, all I can say is you got one poor Canadian girl awful upset
(I am avoiding talking with her right now, LOL). So enjoy the winter and
brace yourselves for some Northern Thunder come spring time.
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--- David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You could be right about their intentions with the
> Lion pack...
> but... how about giving them a chance and see what
> happens and how
> long the pack lasts? Didn't ACP put over 30k miles
> on their lead acid
> pack with that car?
As far as I know ... and I don't work for them ...
they've put over 70,000 miles on the T-zero. 17,000 of
them with the Li-ion pack and no detectable
degradation of the pack so far. All I'm saying is
don't be surprised if that pack well outlives the car
5, 10, maybe 15 years from now.
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The point is that the PNGV program although misused by the auto companies,
was supposed to get us into EV's and hybrids that are much more technically
and economically feasible. (We demonstrated a 80mpg diesel-hybrid at GE).
The fuel cell direction has had some recent studies, University of
Washington, Motor Trend's article on Aerovironment analysis, that show
converting to H2 as an energy carrier is only 50% efficient from the goal of
electricity or renewable electrolysis conversion. Direct transmission has an
8% loss to battery electrics (as mentioned in my report). So it would not
make economic sense and would defy the laws of physics. With present
conversion from natural gas (which CNG is already burned directly in
vehicles) has a 30% loss admitted by the H2 manufacturers ($4 per gallon
equiv) and additional losses in compressing to the 10000psi required for
>200 mile range in a vehicle (which the market requires). Therefore H2 will
*always* be X2 cost when converting from natural gas. The other problem is
that the PEM fuel cell is exorbitantly expensive due to the platinum
membrane required. These problems can *not* be wished or legislated away,
they will always exist with fuel cell vehicles. Space Shuttles are nice but
not everyone can afford them. That's why I said in my report (and presenters
also) that there will be a MIX of technologies going forward and battery
electrics will most likely be much more affordable as better battery
technologies are springboarded (in volume) from the laptop industry.
IMO, pulling all funding for electrics, battery research and hybrids; moving
it over to fuel cell vehicles is a bonehead idea since they will *always*
cost more than the alternatives and will therefore not be purchased in large
quantities by the public.
Mark www.solectrol.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 3:35 AM
Subject: PNGV
> Mark Hanson's Conference report was a good read. Some points could be
> made about the Slezak quote and the inference from it.
>
> "He noted that the PNGV 80 mpg car initiative was cancelled and funding
> for the hydrogen fuel cell was favored (by the present administration)."
>
> The PNGV (by definition)_was a hybrid program. This technology is good
> stuff, but it's production and well within the ability of the car
> companies to bring to fruition. The government is not and should not
> be funding simple development programs to tweak well developed
> technology even if the US car companies refuse to use what they have.
>
> Conversely, others have shown to my satisfaction that the H2 - Fuel
> Cell technology with very ideal characteristics are too tough to make
> practical use of today. The government legitimately does support
> research on technologies with obvious benefits and overwhelming
> problems. This isn't an 'administration' thing; funding is provided by
> Congress based on the advice of experts and dreamers. The current
> Executive didn't stop it. Good for them.
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
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Anyone on the list,
I'm looking for a DCP controller (just about any flavor) with accessories. If you have
one and would be willing to sell it, please contact me off-list at
<etcadman-at-yahoo.com>.
Thanks,
Ed Thorpe
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Robert,
We run SCCA regional SPU (Super Production Under 2 liters?).
What group did they run the Formula Lightnings with? Any idea on lap times?
Cliff
www.ProEV.com
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: electric-car race
Last weekend 10-27,28 Two cars ,BGSU and I think Ohio State raced at Mid
Ohio
sport car track. It is my understanding that this was the end !
Dave Erb was there on Sat. for the time trials. Formula Lightning "shared"
the
track with scca regional racing. I think WVU had mechical problems and
could
not make it in time. Maybe a EV class in scca racing will appear.
What class or group do you run with ??
Robert Salem
81 VW Pickup, 240 volts, Z2k, Kostov (15.335 sec qter, 90.85 mph)
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Yes, the Formula Lightning series is dead. The series has been a good
one running 10 years. It is now time to move on. WVU and others are
willing and interested in pursueing more EV competition but series
finances have killed it for now. Any other ideas for competition?
WVU is palnning to run a couple of SCCA autocross events in the spring
and maybe finally get to the Power of DC drags at Hagerstown in May.
Other than that, things are getting quiet.
Below is a summary I received froom Russ Hannen of Wright State. WVU
let the smoke out of it's controller with a few days to go and could not
get it back up in time.
...Roy Nutter
From: "Dr Russ Hannen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Roy Nutter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 10/5/04 9:27AM
Subject: Mid-Ohio 2004
Roy,
Thanks for your help in rounding up some pit crew for WSU. They
helped a lot.
I do have some pictures---analog camera---that I will send to you to
pass on to the
the student. WSU came in 2nd with BGSU 1st.
Overall race time was 24 min 52.639 sec
Race length was 27.36 miles 12 laps
BGSU ave lap speed was 65.987 mph
WSU ave lap speed was 63.493 mph we were 57 sec behind at
finish.
WSU ave lap speeds were 2001 57.567mph
2002 58.222mph
2004 63.493mph
< We had a higher speed this years thanks to yellow tops>
Thanks agin for your students help. I think they had a good time.
They were part of
one of our best and fastest pit-stop.
Russ Hannen
Roy S. Nutter, Jr. , Professor
West Virginia University
933 Engineering Sciences Bld
POB 6109, Lane Dept of CSEE
Morgantown, WV 26506-6109
Tel: (304)-293-0405 x2510
Fax: (304)- 293-8602
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Check out: www.csee.wvu.edu/~formula
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Im sure I am not the only EVer who is on all these conference mailing
lists, but this one REALLY sounds interesting..
Here below is a brief description from the brochure, and contact info,
for those of you who can go... ( AND REPORT BACK to us mere mortals )
Lithium Mobile Power 2004
Advances in Lithium Battery Technologies for MOBILE Applications
Lithium Sulfur . Lithium Ion . Lithium Polymer
December 6-7, 2004 Fontainebleau Hilton . Miami Beach FL
www.knowledgefoundation.com
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: http://www.seattleeva.org
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The Sparrow is back! (They should call it the Phoenix.) They're now being
built by Myers Motors in Tallmadge, Ohio. Here's the contact info:
Myers Motors LLC
180 South Avenue
Tallmadge OH 44278
866 693-7778
http://www.myersmotors.com/
Dana Myers is the guy in charge. I'm sure he has some nice Sparrow pix
you can download. He might also be able to supply photos of other similar
EVs they're working on, if they're in prototype.
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Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
Seems a bit stiff on the price. I thought AC motors were cheap. These are
the orginal motors for the Ford Ranger EV. Lawrence Rhodes........
They are if they are 60 Hz industrial motors for
blowers or fans. They have
- no float bearings
- no winding temp sensors
- no shaft encoder
- no water cooling
- no flange mounts
- wrong magnetic characteristics to run with variable frequencies
These Ford motors have all that, although the front
flanges and especially shafts are too specific for
mating only with Ballard gear box used in Rangers.
In general, if used in generic conversion, the flange
really has to be re-machined - ideally being
simultaneously an "adapter plate".
Victor
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From: "Harold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: Motors from the For Ranger
Hello,
We only have the MOTORS.
$2000.00 each includes FREE SHIPPING in the USA lower 48 states
regards,
Harold
(310) 632-9867
Electro Mavin
Rancho Dominguez, CA. 90221
www.mavin.com
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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Questions from a novice might include:
1. Are the Ranger gearboxes available? If so, where and how much?
2. If they are, Is the $2000 motor price worth it?
3. If they aren't, is the $2000 motor price still worth it considering the
added expense to re-machine the flange/adapter plate.
3. If Ranger performance would satisfy my needs, could anyone recommend
complimentary equipment to use with this motor?
Thanks, Kirk
Spokane, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victor Tikhonov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Motors from the For Ranger
> Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>
> > Seems a bit stiff on the price. I thought AC motors were cheap. These
are
> > the orginal motors for the Ford Ranger EV. Lawrence Rhodes........
>
> They are if they are 60 Hz industrial motors for
> blowers or fans. They have
>
> - no float bearings
> - no winding temp sensors
> - no shaft encoder
> - no water cooling
> - no flange mounts
> - wrong magnetic characteristics to run with variable frequencies
>
> These Ford motors have all that, although the front
> flanges and especially shafts are too specific for
> mating only with Ballard gear box used in Rangers.
>
> In general, if used in generic conversion, the flange
> really has to be re-machined - ideally being
> simultaneously an "adapter plate".
>
> Victor
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Harold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 11:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: Motors from the For Ranger
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hello,
> >>
> >>We only have the MOTORS.
> >>
> >>$2000.00 each includes FREE SHIPPING in the USA lower 48 states
> >>
> >>regards,
> >>Harold
> >>(310) 632-9867
> >>Electro Mavin
> >>Rancho Dominguez, CA. 90221
> >>www.mavin.com
>
>
> --
> Victor
> '91 ACRX - something different
>
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Quite agree with the assessment. Moving it all into fuel cells was a
politically motivated move. They're presenting John Q. Public, who doesn't
know any better, with the fairy tale that in 20 years we'll all be driving
fuel cell vehicles that run on hydrogen and all our problems will be solved
- therefore we don't have to worry about our consumption of oil or raising
the CAFE of vehicles in the near term. They're using it an an excuse to do
nothing and continue business as usual, while giving one of the most
environmentally negligent administration's in this country's history the
appearance of being green. For them it's an easy out.
Too many parties stand to lose from any significant increase in vehicle fuel
efficiency. 1 - Oil companies would lose profits from reduced sales of
gasoline. 2 - Local, state, and federal governments would lose tax revenue
from reduced sales of fuel - look at Oregon's infamous Hybrid Registration
Fee. 3 - OEM's would have to spend time and money for vehicle design and
tooling changes if CAFE standards were increased, and I've read more than
one interview where they flatly stated they wouldn't spend any of their
money, they fully expected the taxpayers and consumers to foot the bill so
they could preserve their profit margins. Look at the attempt to defeat CA's
HOV Lane bill by Ford, it's cheaper for them to pay lawyers to defeat any
such legislation they think would give their competitors an advantage than
to actually build a vehicle that would comply.
So it's far easier for all of the above parties to jump on the fuel cell
bandwagon. they come out smelling like a rose with the public, in the short
term they can get away with doing nothing, and they know that in the long
term it'll probably never come to pass.
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From: Mark Hanson
To: EV Discussion List
Sent: 10/5/2004 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: PNGV, EV's and low hanging fruit
The point is that the PNGV program although misused by the auto
companies,
was supposed to get us into EV's and hybrids that are much more
technically
and economically feasible. (We demonstrated a 80mpg diesel-hybrid at
GE).
The fuel cell direction has had some recent studies, University of
Washington, Motor Trend's article on Aerovironment analysis, that show
converting to H2 as an energy carrier is only 50% efficient from the
goal of
electricity or renewable electrolysis conversion. Direct transmission
has an
8% loss to battery electrics (as mentioned in my report). So it would
not
make economic sense and would defy the laws of physics. With present
conversion from natural gas (which CNG is already burned directly in
vehicles) has a 30% loss admitted by the H2 manufacturers ($4 per gallon
equiv) and additional losses in compressing to the 10000psi required for
>200 mile range in a vehicle (which the market requires). Therefore H2
will
*always* be X2 cost when converting from natural gas. The other problem
is
that the PEM fuel cell is exorbitantly expensive due to the platinum
membrane required. These problems can *not* be wished or legislated
away,
they will always exist with fuel cell vehicles. Space Shuttles are nice
but
not everyone can afford them. That's why I said in my report (and
presenters
also) that there will be a MIX of technologies going forward and battery
electrics will most likely be much more affordable as better battery
technologies are springboarded (in volume) from the laptop industry.
IMO, pulling all funding for electrics, battery research and hybrids;
moving
it over to fuel cell vehicles is a bonehead idea since they will
*always*
cost more than the alternatives and will therefore not be purchased in
large
quantities by the public.
Mark www.solectrol.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 3:35 AM
Subject: PNGV
> Mark Hanson's Conference report was a good read. Some points could
be
> made about the Slezak quote and the inference from it.
>
> "He noted that the PNGV 80 mpg car initiative was cancelled and
funding
> for the hydrogen fuel cell was favored (by the present
administration)."
>
> The PNGV (by definition)_was a hybrid program. This technology is
good
> stuff, but it's production and well within the ability of the car
> companies to bring to fruition. The government is not and should not
> be funding simple development programs to tweak well developed
> technology even if the US car companies refuse to use what they
have.
>
> Conversely, others have shown to my satisfaction that the H2 - Fuel
> Cell technology with very ideal characteristics are too tough to
make
> practical use of today. The government legitimately does support
> research on technologies with obvious benefits and overwhelming
> problems. This isn't an 'administration' thing; funding is provided
by
> Congress based on the advice of experts and dreamers. The current
> Executive didn't stop it. Good for them.
>
______________________________________________________________________
>
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Kirk A. Re inkens wrote:
Questions from a novice might include:
Answers from not so novice :-)
1. Are the Ranger gearboxes available?
No idea, perhaps only salvaged ones.
If so, where and how much?
Depends on how badly you want one...
Bulk part - the same as regular gear box for gas version.
2. If they are, Is the $2000 motor price worth it?
It might as long as some conditions are met - see below
3. If they aren't, is the $2000 motor price still worth it considering the
added expense to re-machine the flange/adapter plate.
If you have no inverter to run it with (Siemens or Ballard),
the motor worth nothing - it is like having a computer
without OS on it.
3. If Ranger performance would satisfy my needs, could anyone recommend
complimentary equipment to use with this motor?
I get this question quite often. I don't believe it is available,
but did not investigate. In theory, as for any OEM production
vehicle, Ford must have inverters in stock as a replacement
spare part, I think the law dictates for 10 years or so.
Whether Ford adheres to this rule, is different issue. Try to
call Ford service and ask. If they sell you inverter and you want
to convert regular Ranger, the motor might worth expense.
But, it has no warranty/support, so you are on your own.
For reference, here is what Ranger EV drive train looks like:
http://www.metricmind.com/misc/ballard_a312v67.pdf
Thanks, Kirk
Spokane, WA
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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Woohoo!
my new Mk2B regs came in today! (thanks Rich!)
(now I just have to read the manual and find a nice place to put them
in my EVT!)
-Cristin
--
La Bola Ocho Magica dice: TAL VEZ SI, TAL VEZ NO
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David Chapman wrote:
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3843474288
Guys,
What everyone seems to really be missing is the sellers feedback
rating. Take a look. Very shaky. And sellers statement that "I will
accept $1,300?" I didn't see a reserve on the listing. No reserve =
sells to the high bidder. Bet that won't happen. I would tread
lightly. David Chapman.
Here's what I see.
1) Feedback rating. Below 99% is suspect -- 82% is *insane*.
Look what feedback they gave in return to their negatives. Such as
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=mikecub45
2) Item description irregularities. Contrast with this auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3749280523
where the seller had 0 feedback and knew nothing of pedal harps.
Who'd you rather buy from?
3) Nondisclosure of shipping is a huge trap. Shipping cost is
seller's prerogative, and you are contractually obligated to buy
the item no matter how much they charge for shipping. So, if
they don't disclose shipping, either they are setting it up to rook
you, or they have no clue how to ship a large/heavy item and
you will soon be paying for whatever shipping mode their
cluelessness yields.
On the other hand, if you and he are amenable to local pickup,
that is a BIG plus. It moots the shipping question, pretty much
implies a right of prior inspection, and is a lot less trouble-prone
than a remote transaction. There's something magic about face
to face dealing.
Robert
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You know, the way people speak of modern automotive electronics,
you'd think they were black magic or something. I expect that from
some quarters -- like carb-jetting, piston-honing gearheads at the
auto parts store, or anti-environmental, anti-OBD "U.S. out of my
engine compartment" radicals.
But it mystifies me why that shows up on this list -- of all lists.
We're electrical folks. That's where we live. We know how to
read an electrical schematic. These new features are well
documented. There's nothing holding us back.
Consider the project of retrofitting a BCM from a junked car, and
applying it to a '69 Camaro so it has power-window assist, auto-
dimming dome lights, DRLs and remote keyless entry. I can do
that, and I've never wired an EV. Many of you have!
Robert
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Hi all
This came across the RAV4-EV list
September 30, 2004
An Update from AC Propulsion:
Last September, in Sonoma, California, AC Propulsion's tzero electric
sports car earned the highest overall score at the 2003 Michelin Challenge
Bibendum. The tzero beat every other car entered including hybrids, fuel
cell vehicles and other electrics. Based on that performance, four
companies developed plans for electric vehicles designed around AC
Propulsion electric drive technology and Li Ion batteries. Now one year
later, three of those companies are unveiling their all-electric creations.
� Volvo and its California Monitoring and Concept Center have developed an
EV concept and entered it in this year's Michelin Challenge Bibendum in
Shanghai, China. Very much a Volvo in appearance, the Volvo EV concept
carries an underfloor Li Ion battery to power an AC Propulsion drive system
in a stylish, efficient, and lightweight package. Built and tested in
California, the Volvo EV will make its world debut in Shanghai.
� Monaco-based Venturi Automobiles introduced the Venturi Fetish concept at
the Paris Motor Show 2002. This year at Paris Motor Show 2004, the Fetish
is back as a fully functional high-performance, sports 2-seater prototype.
Venturi marks its 20th anniversary of automobile production with a nod to
the future. The Fetish is electric, powered by AC Propulsion.
� Courreges Design of Paris had a good run with its electric bubble car in
the Bibendum last year. Stylish, well-driven, and fundamentally sound, it
made a big impression but suffered from lack of power. Madame Courreges
noted the tzero's performance and took bold action. She ordered a complete
tzero drive and battery system from AC Propulsion. She didn't put it in a
tzero though, and it's not in the bubble car either. It's hard to describe.
You'll have to see it in action in Shanghai at the Michelin Challenge Bibendum.
Each of these three cars reveals a different concept and style. All of them
offer a vision of the future where cars run on electricity drawn straight
from the grid, stored in lightweight, efficient, mass-produced Li Ion
batteries, and delivered smoothly and efficiently to the drive wheels by AC
Propulsion drive systems.
You may wonder about the fourth company mentioned above. It's too soon to
give details but imagine a company that wraps Silicon Valley
entrepreneurship and British racing heritage around AC Propulsion
technology and plans to take the delightful result it to market. Stay tuned.
A year after its success in Sonoma, the first tzero continues to rack up
miles - 75,000 total miles, 15,000 miles on the Li Ion battery installed in
August, 2003. The second and third tzeros continue to make their owners
happy. The tzero has made its case - EVs can be powerful, fun, and
efficient - but progress marches on. These new vehicle concepts will
supercede the tzero. Still there is one left. A fourth chassis awaits
completion for an enthusiast who wants to own the last tzero.
Remember, electric vehicles = transportation without petroleum.
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Is there an EVent at Stanford this weekend? Lawrence Rhodes............
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Lawrence,
It's at Palo Alto High School. _http://www.becketts.ws/eaa/rallyinfo.htm_
(http://www.becketts.ws/eaa/rallyinfo.htm)
Steve
In a message dated 10/5/2004 9:26:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is there an EVent at Stanford this weekend? Lawrence Rhodes............
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Yes.
Saturday.
Silicon Valley EV Rally/Show :
Palo Alto High School, 50 Embarcadero Rd, Palo Alto, CA.
On Oct 5, 2004, at 9:23 PM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
Is there an EVent at Stanford this weekend? Lawrence
Rhodes............
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Try your local NAPA store. That is where I got mine.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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From: "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 8:48 AM
Subject: Need help finding part
> My Black and Decker cordless mower has a 24VDC 40amp self reseting circuit
> breaker in it that seems to be going bad. Any idea where I can pick up a
> replacement? The only manufacturer label on it is "Shortstop" along with
> the above specs. Because the studs mount into the circuit board it would
be
> nice to get a direct replacement, but it would not be hard to get anything
> with the correct specs to work.
>
> I have measured the current and never seen it get to even 30amps yet the
> circuit breaker keeps breaking the circuit, and the problem is getting
> worse. For now I have just removed it althogether.
>
> damon
>
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