EV Digest 3835
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) PNGV
by Martin Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Seven year old 18650 Li-ion cell's calender life
by Jerry McIntire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
by "Cameron-RR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Insurance Idea: Drive more, pay more
by Marvin Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Need help finding part
by "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Need help finding part
by Stefano Landi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Seven year old 18650 Li-ion cell's calender life
by Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
by Tim Clevenger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
by Alan Batie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Need help finding part
by Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: 54V generator?
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Need help finding part
by "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Need help finding part
by "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Need help finding part
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Seven year old 18650 Li-ion cell's calender life
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: ProEV's Imp on track! (part 3)
by "Cliff Rassweiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: electric-car race
by "Cliff Rassweiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Seven year old 18650 Li-ion cell's calender life
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
by Martin Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) LA to Salt Lake
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: 54V generator?
by David Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: CE News this is the week!
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
25) Re: electric-car race
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
26) Re: Seven year old 18650 Li-ion cell's calender life
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) RE: PNGV
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
28) Re: CE News this is the week!
by Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
by "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Re: Need help finding part
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Mark Hanson's Conference report was a good read. Some points could be
made about the Slezak quote and the inference from it.
"He noted that the PNGV 80 mpg car initiative was cancelled and funding
for the hydrogen fuel cell was favored (by the present administration)."
The PNGV (by definition)_was a hybrid program. This technology is good
stuff, but it's production and well within the ability of the car
companies to bring to fruition. The government is not and should not
be funding simple development programs to tweak well developed
technology even if the US car companies refuse to use what they have.
Conversely, others have shown to my satisfaction that the H2 - Fuel
Cell technology with very ideal characteristics are too tough to make
practical use of today. The government legitimately does support
research on technologies with obvious benefits and overwhelming
problems. This isn't an 'administration' thing; funding is provided by
Congress based on the advice of experts and dreamers. The current
Executive didn't stop it. Good for them.
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Yes Sam, nice discovery. What type of charger is required? Did you
simply open the battery case and connect directly to the Li-ion
terminals?
Jerry
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Everyone,
The fact is, you already "pay as you drive" in a general sense. I'm an
insurance agent, and we always ask the question, "How far do you drive to
work/school one way?" Most of you have probably heard the terms "Pleasure
Use" "Work Use" and "Business Use" These are rating scales based upon how
much you drive.
Progressive Insurance, I believe, is trying to use GPS systems in cars to
more accurately determine the amount of exposure (driving time) of their
insureds. I think this has 2 major pitfalls:
1. It will be much more difficult for people to budget their insurance
costs. Every month you make an extra long trip to grandma's house, you're
going to get a bigger bill. The fluctuations in the monthly bills will
undoubtedly catch some people off guard.
2. Once the GPS tracking technology gets spread throughout the
automobile/insurance industries, don't you think other parties will use that
information too? i.e. Big Brother-Federal Government?
I personally don't need to make public my whereabouts 24/7/365.
What are your thoughts?
-Cameron
Cameron A. Shandersky
9655 Waterford Place #207
Loveland, OH 45140
(Until our House is done)
H.
W. 513.870.2580
M. 513.708.2544
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From: "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
> I agree!:)
> Mike G.
>
> Rod Hower wrote:
>
> >Most odometer systems use a tach (hall based) pick-up
> >that sends info to the odometer/speedometer. Use a
> >switch to interupt this signal and you have 'on
> >demand' odometer control. So this switch can be used
> >as the insurance reducer.
> >Rod.
> >
> >--- "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>How is the mileage verified? It is to easy to
> >>disconnect the odometer.
> >>Mike G.
> >>
> >>Lee Dekker wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>http://www.rep-am.com/story.php?id=8843
> >>>
> >>>Linking premiums to a motorist's time behind the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>wheel has caught the fancy of a
> >>
> >>
> >>>Connecticut environmental group, which last month
> >>>
> >>>
> >>suggested it as an anti-pollution
> >>
> >>
> >>>initiative in a 54-page report meant for Gov. M.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Jodi Rell and state lawmakers.
> >>
> >>
> >>>The plan would reward motorists who drive less with
> >>>
> >>>
> >>lower rates. And, it would have the
> >>
> >>
> >>>added benefit of trimming exhaust fumes, the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>advocates said.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Pay-as-you-drive insurance remains relatively
> >>>
> >>>
> >>unknown nationally despite a pilot program
> >>
> >>
> >>>in the Midwest and another in a Northwestern state
> >>>
> >>>
> >>that offers tax credits for every
> >>
> >>
> >>>pay-as-you-drive insurance policy sold.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Many new cars already have a black box event recorder.
Insurance companies are already doing pilot programs where, for a discount,
you agree to have "their" black box installed in your car.
Trucking companies already have GPS on many trucks for tracking purposes
(UPS?).
Some rental companies are using GPS- if you speed or go out of bounds you
get an automatic fine.
I'm sure they'll be able to figure your mileage without your odometer.
When they get around to outlawing kit cars, conversions, and other
home-built vehicles, we're in trouble- whether your project is EV or not.
And I suspect that people in the CA legislature and the auto lobby are
working on that right now.
Marv
> Don't think that will work with modern cars. With
> computers invading all aspects of the car the
> disconnect may show up in diagnotic. It may even
> prevent the car from running correctly.
>
> --- Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Most odometer systems use a tach (hall based)
>> pick-up
>> that sends info to the odometer/speedometer. Use a
>> switch to interupt this signal and you have 'on
>> demand' odometer control. So this switch can be
>> used
>> as the insurance reducer.
>> Rod.
>>
>> --- "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> How is the mileage verified? It is to easy to
>>> disconnect the odometer.
>>> Mike G.
>>>
>>> Lee Dekker wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.rep-am.com/story.php?id=8843
>>>>
>>>> Linking premiums to a motorist's time behind the
>>> wheel has caught the fancy of a
>>>> Connecticut environmental group, which last month
>>> suggested it as an anti-pollution
>>>> initiative in a 54-page report meant for Gov. M.
>>> Jodi Rell and state lawmakers.
>>>>
>>>> The plan would reward motorists who drive less
>> with
>>> lower rates. And, it would have the
>>>> added benefit of trimming exhaust fumes, the
>>> advocates said.
>>>>
>>>> Pay-as-you-drive insurance remains relatively
>>> unknown nationally despite a pilot program
>>>> in the Midwest and another in a Northwestern
>> state
>>> that offers tax credits for every
>>>> pay-as-you-drive insurance policy sold.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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My Black and Decker cordless mower has a 24VDC 40amp self reseting circuit
breaker in it that seems to be going bad. Any idea where I can pick up a
replacement? The only manufacturer label on it is "Shortstop" along with
the above specs. Because the studs mount into the circuit board it would be
nice to get a direct replacement, but it would not be hard to get anything
with the correct specs to work.
I have measured the current and never seen it get to even 30amps yet the
circuit breaker keeps breaking the circuit, and the problem is getting
worse. For now I have just removed it althogether.
damon
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Hi Damon,
A quick search on Google returned this site, they are manufactured by
Bussman and here is the link to their website.
http://www.bussauto.com/products/circprot/
regards,
Stefano
damon henry wrote:
My Black and Decker cordless mower has a 24VDC 40amp self reseting
circuit breaker in it that seems to be going bad. Any idea where I can
pick up a replacement? The only manufacturer label on it is
"Shortstop" along with the above specs. Because the studs mount into
the circuit board it would be nice to get a direct replacement, but it
would not be hard to get anything with the correct specs to work.
I have measured the current and never seen it get to even 30amps yet
the circuit breaker keeps breaking the circuit, and the problem is
getting worse. For now I have just removed it althogether.
damon
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This almost sounds like the manufacturer has assigned a life time to
the cells instead of letting the cells speak for themselves. Similar
to the way many inkjet printers estimate the amount of ink left in
the cartridge by tracking the number of pages printed instead of by
actually sensing the fluid level.
Ralph
Sam Thurber writes:
>
> I have been a little skeptical of the massively
> parallel 18650 Li-ion cells AC propulsion uses because
> those type of cells have gone bad for me in multiple
> laptops after just a few years of use. I figured AC
> Propulsion just hoped they would have a longer
> calender life in the T-Zero because they were not
> being "abused" in a laptop by being maintained at 100%
> state of charge for long periods of time. However, I
> discovered something last night that changed my mind
> about 18650 calender life issues.
>
> I had bought a li-ion battery analyzer and charger
> recently in preparation to build an EV pack with other
> prismatic Li-ion cells. Out of curiosity I took apart
> a couple of those old laptop battery packs and charged
> the cells directly (bypassing the built in protective
> electronics) with the Li-ion analyzer. Guess what,
> they all not only took a charge, but they all had more
> than their rated capacity!?!
>
> I put the packs back together and booted up the
> laptops just to be sure (remember Windows 95?). It was
> as if I had brand new battery packs with full
> run-time, and then they were all able to be charged
> normally in the laptop back to 100% of capacity. I've
> cycled them a couple of times now just to be sure. The
> "protective" circuits on these packs had decided for
> some reason that the cells were bad for some reason
> and stopped allowing them to be recharged. After
> forcing a recharge, the packs were better than new and
> the protective circuits had been somehow reset. One of
> the packs I tested had 7 year old Sanyo Li-ion 18650
> cells in them (that had sat unused in a closet for I
> think at least a couple of years if not more.
>
> Micron, Toshiba, and Compaq (I suspect the others as
> well) have some explaining to do. If any of you
> (American readers) have some really old, dead, li-ion
> packs from old laptops you could send me, contact me
> off-list. I would be happy to test them and send them
> back to you if they still work.
>
> -Sam
>
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When my Nissan 240SX lost its speedometer, the ECU
would cut off the fuel at 3,500 RPM or about 62 mph,
whichever came first. And the fuel cutoff was nasty--
about 4 seconds with no power at all. And a check
engine light, of course. Your best bet is probably
to reflash the ECU to think the tires are significantly
smaller than they are, and then renumber your speedo
accordingly.
Or take public transportation, which I've found easiest.
Tim
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> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 23:07:11 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Don't think that will work with modern cars. With
> computers invading all aspects of the car the
> disconnect may show up in diagnotic. It may even
> prevent the car from running correctly.
>
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There is a big gotcha. "So why wasn't our device running when you got
into the wreck?" It also could be grounds for refusing to pay on a
claim if they found the switch.
--- "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree!:)
> Mike G.
>
> Rod Hower wrote:
>
> >Most odometer systems use a tach (hall based) pick-up
> >that sends info to the odometer/speedometer. Use a
> >switch to interupt this signal and you have 'on
> >demand' odometer control. So this switch can be used
> >as the insurance reducer.
> >Rod.
> >
> >--- "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>How is the mileage verified? It is to easy to
> >>disconnect the odometer.
> >>Mike G.
> >>
> >>Lee Dekker wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>http://www.rep-am.com/story.php?id=8843
> >>>
> >>>Linking premiums to a motorist's time behind the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>wheel has caught the fancy of a
> >>
> >>
> >>>Connecticut environmental group, which last month
> >>>
> >>>
> >>suggested it as an anti-pollution
> >>
> >>
> >>>initiative in a 54-page report meant for Gov. M.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Jodi Rell and state lawmakers.
> >>
> >>
> >>>The plan would reward motorists who drive less with
> >>>
> >>>
> >>lower rates. And, it would have the
> >>
> >>
> >>>added benefit of trimming exhaust fumes, the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>advocates said.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Pay-as-you-drive insurance remains relatively
> >>>
> >>>
> >>unknown nationally despite a pilot program
> >>
> >>
> >>>in the Midwest and another in a Northwestern state
> >>>
> >>>
> >>that offers tax credits for every
> >>
> >>
> >>>pay-as-you-drive insurance policy sold.
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On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 01:25:06PM -0700, Lee Dekker wrote:
> Linking premiums to a motorist's time behind the wheel
What a good idea: reward drivers for being inexperienced.
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Damon,
There's a Black and Decker repair shop in Portland on Airport Way.
They would probably have the part you need, although maybe at a
premium over the same part from the manufacturer.
Ralph
damon henry writes:
>
> My Black and Decker cordless mower has a 24VDC 40amp self reseting circuit
> breaker in it that seems to be going bad. Any idea where I can pick up a
> replacement? The only manufacturer label on it is "Shortstop" along with
> the above specs. Because the studs mount into the circuit board it would be
> nice to get a direct replacement, but it would not be hard to get anything
> with the correct specs to work.
>
> I have measured the current and never seen it get to even 30amps yet the
> circuit breaker keeps breaking the circuit, and the problem is getting
> worse. For now I have just removed it althogether.
>
> damon
>
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On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 07:14:52 -0700, "John G. Lussmyer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>At 06:56 PM 10/2/2004, Neon John wrote:
>>inverter to generate the output. The power head itself outputs high
>>frequency high voltage 3 phase power from a PM alternator built into the
>>flywheel. The output is in the 300 volt range, depending on the engine
>>speed and load. The inverter PWMs this into a very clean 60 hz sine wave.
>>
>>All the components I can see in the picture and read about in the manual
>>are identical to mine. I'm going to bet that there is an external
>>rectifier/controller that converts the generator output to 48vdc. That
>>appears to not be present on the Ebay unit.
>
>So, sounds like you might be able to use a PFC-20/30/50/150 to make a good
>charger out of it.
Probably so. Now Generac might have wound a different stator for Alpha,
given the volume of sales they have. Worst thing you'd have to do would
be to buy an Impact stator to get the high voltage.
I really can't see the need for the PFC though, unless you're just looking
for a bolt-together solution. The rectifier is built into the power head.
The output is high voltage DC. The throttle already has a stepping motor
on it so it would be trivial to add a charge regulator that controls the
engine speed. One could buy a complete RV generator and toss the inverter
module for what a PFC costs. Or sell the inverter. The warranty service
center that replaced my inverter under warranty after the cooling fan
failed and it overheated told me the list on that thing is $700.
John
---
John De Armond
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://bellsouthpwp.net/j/o/johngd/
Cleveland, Occupied TN
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On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:54:14 -0700 (PDT), Rod Hower
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Most odometer systems use a tach (hall based) pick-up
>that sends info to the odometer/speedometer.
No. Unpowered variable reluctance pulse generator. Usually 4 pulses per
revolution of the generator, generally geared for either 4000 or 10,000
pulses per mile.
>Use a
>switch to interupt this signal and you have 'on
>demand' odometer control. So this switch can be used
>as the insurance reducer.
On a modern (domestic, at least) car, the first thing that will happen is
the automatic transmission controller will go into "limp-home" mode (stuck
in 2nd gear), a code will be stored and the MIL lamp will come on. The
VSS (vehicle speed sensor) input is vital to the normal operation of the
vehicle.
Some PCMs send a buffered VSS signal to the speedo module. Generally cars
>7 or 8 years old. Newer cars have the odo function integrated with the
rest of the body control system. No reasonable way stop the odo.
There is an outfit that sells a reprogrammer (go to http://www.obd2.com
and follow the link) but it is VERY expensive.
What this has to do with EVs I'm not sure.
John
---
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://bellsouthpwp.net/j/o/johngd/
Cleveland, Occupied TN
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Great thanks! Somehow my google didn't find it. Now I've located the
manufacturer and a local distributor, but so far I am going in circles
trying to find a retailer who will actually sale me one :-( It looks like
it is part of their automotive line so perhaps I can find a parts store that
can get me one.
damon
From: Stefano Landi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Need help finding part
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:58:44 -0400
Hi Damon,
A quick search on Google returned this site, they are manufactured by
Bussman and here is the link to their website.
http://www.bussauto.com/products/circprot/
regards,
Stefano
damon henry wrote:
My Black and Decker cordless mower has a 24VDC 40amp self reseting circuit
breaker in it that seems to be going bad. Any idea where I can pick up a
replacement? The only manufacturer label on it is "Shortstop" along with
the above specs. Because the studs mount into the circuit board it would
be nice to get a direct replacement, but it would not be hard to get
anything with the correct specs to work.
I have measured the current and never seen it get to even 30amps yet the
circuit breaker keeps breaking the circuit, and the problem is getting
worse. For now I have just removed it althogether.
damon
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Thanks Ralph,
I called these guys and it turns out that the recall that I never bothered
having done replaces the whole circuit board that this was sitting on, so
all I need to do is bring it in for the recall.
damon
From: Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Need help finding part
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:47:12 -0700 (PDT)
Damon,
There's a Black and Decker repair shop in Portland on Airport Way.
They would probably have the part you need, although maybe at a
premium over the same part from the manufacturer.
Ralph
damon henry writes:
>
> My Black and Decker cordless mower has a 24VDC 40amp self reseting
circuit
> breaker in it that seems to be going bad. Any idea where I can pick up
a
> replacement? The only manufacturer label on it is "Shortstop" along
with
> the above specs. Because the studs mount into the circuit board it
would be
> nice to get a direct replacement, but it would not be hard to get
anything
> with the correct specs to work.
>
> I have measured the current and never seen it get to even 30amps yet the
> circuit breaker keeps breaking the circuit, and the problem is getting
> worse. For now I have just removed it althogether.
>
> damon
>
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We call that "Lucked out like a big dog!" Maybe you can talk them out of
some bad parts to tinker with? (Mandatory EV content) Maybe learn something
you can use on the EV?
David C. Wilker Jr.
USAF (RET)
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From: "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: Need help finding part
Thanks Ralph,
I called these guys and it turns out that the recall that I never bothered
having done replaces the whole circuit board that this was sitting on, so
all I need to do is bring it in for the recall.
damon
From: Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Need help finding part
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:47:12 -0700 (PDT)
Damon,
There's a Black and Decker repair shop in Portland on Airport Way.
They would probably have the part you need, although maybe at a
premium over the same part from the manufacturer.
Ralph
damon henry writes:
>
> My Black and Decker cordless mower has a 24VDC 40amp self reseting
circuit
> breaker in it that seems to be going bad. Any idea where I can pick up
a
> replacement? The only manufacturer label on it is "Shortstop" along
with
> the above specs. Because the studs mount into the circuit board it
would be
> nice to get a direct replacement, but it would not be hard to get
anything
> with the correct specs to work.
>
> I have measured the current and never seen it get to even 30amps yet
> the
> circuit breaker keeps breaking the circuit, and the problem is getting
> worse. For now I have just removed it althogether.
>
> damon
>
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Guys,
ACP did not built 18650 pack to last. Few month or even weeks
to get PR press releases out, actually demonstrating how powerful
18650 can be is enough to recover their cost and construction.
Do you seriously think ACP will commute and run errands using
tzero? I doubt they are concerned about life of these cells at all.
This is a flagship demo/show car, not practical one.
Victor
Don Cameron wrote:
Sam, I read something about this on the battery university web pages.
Something to effect of some Li-Ion protection circuits in laptop batteries
try to estimate a battery's SOC based on usage history. The history info
gets quite out of date unless the battery is run down completely every once
in a while. Something like this anyways...
Don
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Shawn,
Thanks for the encouragement. I am really excited about how fast the car is.
It is a relief to find that our computer models are not too far off from
reality.
Now to work on reliability.
Cliff
www.ProEV.com
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From: "Shawn Waggoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:43 PM
Subject: RE: ProEV's Imp on track! (part 3)
Cliff,
First, great write-up! Sorry we couldn't stay for the races, but glad we
could help.
Second, I wanted to say I'm glad you're doing what you're doing with the
race team and sharing it with us. There is a lot of focus on 1/4 mile
racing with EVs, but a lot of other types are out there. Not many EV
folks in the SCCA realm. Having seen the car, and had the opportunity to
help a little, I can see there is a lot of engineering and design that
has gone into that car. I look forward to watching you break records and
win against the ICE cars! Glad you're part of the Florida Group. Good
luck and keep up the great work!
Shawn M. Waggoner
Florida EAA
(Excited EV'r who got to help out just a little on a great car!)
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Anybody have more information?
BGSU site http://www.bgsu.edu/colleges/technology/EVI/index.htm is a little
out of date.
http://www.csee.wvu.edu/~formula/owners/ is all I can find for a home page
for the organisers, the University Consortium for Electric Vehicle Racing
Technology. It too, is
a little out of date.
This was a good program. Students getting hands on with fast EV's. Sorry to
see it go.
Cliff
www.ProEV.com
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From: "Lee Dekker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV world" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "EV SJS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 1:03 PM
Subject: electric-car race
Last year, BGSU and nine other universities involved in the Formula
Lightning series
agreed that October would mark their last event. Mr. Piersol cited a lack
of funding
sources to support the programs. "It's a financial equation," he said.
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041002/NEWS21/410020358/-1/NEWS
The Electric Falcon can reach speeds up to 140 mph. During pit stops,
student crews
replace more than 1,200 pounds of batteries at a time.
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You could be right about their intentions with the Lion pack...
but... how about giving them a chance and see what happens and how
long the pack lasts? Didn't ACP put over 30k miles on their lead acid
pack with that car? With that kind of mileage it is tough to accuse
this car of being a trailer queen. Here is a paragraph from
http://www.acpropulsion.com :
"AC Propulsion designs and manufactures drive systems for electric
cars. In order to develop, test and demonstrate our drive systems, we
build electric cars, we drive them, and we've been doing so since
1992. I built my first EV in my driveway before AC Propulsion
existed, and that car has gone more than 100,000 miles and it is
still used every day. Lately, I've been driving the prototype tzero
sports car and it now has more than 30,000 miles on it. Last year we
started paying employees to rack up miles in one of our EVs after
work and on weekends. That car just clocked its 20,000th electric
mile."
My own anecdotal story: I was driving on I-15 from Los Angeles back
home to Salt Lake City. In the San Dimas area, I saw the Tzero on the
freeway, with just the driver that I think was Al Coconni. We gave
some waves and thumbs up. He smiled and took off up the steep freeway
grade. Third gear in my Jeep Cherokee 4.0L six didn't have a prayer
of catching him -- I know because I tried!
--- Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Guys,
>
> ACP did not built 18650 pack to last. Few month or even weeks
> to get PR press releases out, actually demonstrating how powerful
> 18650 can be is enough to recover their cost and construction.
>
> Do you seriously think ACP will commute and run errands using
> tzero? I doubt they are concerned about life of these cells at all.
> This is a flagship demo/show car, not practical one.
=====
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Why isn't this O.T. ? Maybe I missed something. I've had this low
mileage thing by either car pooling or simply being retired for 20
years. Maybe this just works in Canada.
Below a certain mileage rate threshold, lack of practice will increase
driving errors and reduce sharpness making you a bigger risk for
accidents.
All we need is another spy in our car. We buy a computer paying for
the hardware and software in the new car. We never know what it knows
without going to the dealer for an expensive readout. It tells the
dealer what we have been doing to violate the warrantee conditions. It
tells the police we were speeding just before the crash so the wife is
sued for her assets as they are burying me after a stroke. It radios
my location and what I'm saying in the car to the police if they get a
warrant.
This is a huge area of dubious loss of privacy as well as potential
financial loss to the voters. When people find out what's going on, it
should get about the same reaction as insurance companies getting our
genetic defect information.
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> David Dymaxion wrote:
> I was driving on I-15 from Los Angeles back
> home to Salt Lake City.
Hey, David. It's nice to know that I'm not the only one on the list from
Salt Lake City.
Bill Dennis
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Guys,
What everyone seems to really be missing is the sellers feedback rating.
Take a look. Very shaky. And sellers statement that "I will accept $1,300?"
I didn't see a reserve on the listing. No reserve = sells to the high
bidder. Bet that won't happen. I would tread lightly. David Chapman.
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The current eliminator will be racing in Bakersfield with team Firebird
against 16 other tracks with 64 per team(a large race)We are the only electric.9am
till late each nite oct.7,8,9,10. Dennis Berube
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Last weekend 10-27,28 Two cars ,BGSU and I think Ohio State raced at Mid Ohio
sport car track. It is my understanding that this was the end !
Dave Erb was there on Sat. for the time trials. Formula Lightning "shared" the
track with scca regional racing. I think WVU had mechical problems and could
not make it in time. Maybe a EV class in scca racing will appear.
What class or group do you run with ??
Robert Salem
81 VW Pickup, 240 volts, Z2k, Kostov (15.335 sec qter, 90.85 mph)
> Anybody have more information?
>
> BGSU site http://www.bgsu.edu/colleges/technology/EVI/index.htm is a little
> out of date.
>
> http://www.csee.wvu.edu/~formula/owners/ is all I can find for a home page
> for the organisers, the University Consortium for Electric Vehicle Racing
> Technology. It too, is
> a little out of date.
>
> This was a good program. Students getting hands on with fast EV's. Sorry to
>
> see it go.
>
> Cliff
>
> www.ProEV.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lee Dekker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "EV world" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "EV SJS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 1:03 PM
> Subject: electric-car race
>
>
> > Last year, BGSU and nine other universities involved in the Formula
> > Lightning series
> > agreed that October would mark their last event. Mr. Piersol cited a lack
> > of funding
> > sources to support the programs. "It's a financial equation," he said.
> >
> >
>
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041002/NEWS21/410020358/-1/NEWS
> >
> >
> > The Electric Falcon can reach speeds up to 140 mph. During pit stops,
> > student crews
> > replace more than 1,200 pounds of batteries at a time.
> >
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David Dymaxion wrote:
You could be right about their intentions with the Lion pack...
but... how about giving them a chance and see what happens and how
long the pack lasts? Didn't ACP put over 30k miles on their lead acid
pack with that car?
Many of us put more than 30k miles on out cars with lead acid
packs. May not be the same pack, but the number by itself is
not too impressive.
With that kind of mileage it is tough to accuse
this car of being a trailer queen. Here is a paragraph from
http://www.acpropulsion.com :
...
They could put 100k miles on it in a couple of month if
drive from San Dimas to LA (or wherever) and back every week.
This tells nothing about calendar life of LiIons. All they
are doing is trying to squeeze total life Ah (amount of cycles)
before calendar time dominates the failure mode.
Now, I'm not saying that they don't care about longetivity, of
course the longer these cells work, the better. But, I suspect,
if a manufacturer tells that in this application the cells
will survive 6 month, ACP still would do it since the calendar
pack life is not on top priority of their list.
I and positive you will never see a press release such as
"Today ACP's tzero LiIon pack has died!", just like you
have never heard what happened to their PbA pack.
It is not impressive for PR. They just "transitioned to newer
technology" even though if you read brave releases for gen 1
tzero, they were telling that PbA pack is the only viable choice
if you want practical car with proven cheap battery. This was
about 3 years ago, I still have this article. 18650 existed back
then, but they chose PbA. Of course this pack is long dead now,
but no word about it. Expect the same with 18650.
I predict next tzero will come with "commercially available
LiP pack" they'll find available to them from someone like
Kokam, Fortu or others, and now they believe that *this*
battery is a future of an EV.
Will see.
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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IMHO, PNGV was nothing more than corporate welfare. I remember reading an
interview with Alan Cocconi back in '95 or '96. He drove from LA to DC in a
Honda conversion with one of his Long Ranger gensets, to attend a PNGV
conference with Al Gore and the auto industry bigwigs. He drove the Honda to
make the point that the technology was already available to make workable
hybrids and EV's. Here was the guy that for all intents and purposes created
GM's EV-1, or at least made it workable, and he basically got the door
slammed in his face. He was quoted as saying he was ignored, never asked
even basic questions about his vehicle, the whole conference was nothing
more than Gore and the big players deciding how much they'd ask for in the
next year's budget.
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Jackson
To: EV Discussion List
Sent: 10/4/2004 12:35 AM
Subject: PNGV
Mark Hanson's Conference report was a good read. Some points could be
made about the Slezak quote and the inference from it.
"He noted that the PNGV 80 mpg car initiative was cancelled and funding
for the hydrogen fuel cell was favored (by the present administration)."
The PNGV (by definition)_was a hybrid program. This technology is good
stuff, but it's production and well within the ability of the car
companies to bring to fruition. The government is not and should not
be funding simple development programs to tweak well developed
technology even if the US car companies refuse to use what they have.
Conversely, others have shown to my satisfaction that the H2 - Fuel
Cell technology with very ideal characteristics are too tough to make
practical use of today. The government legitimately does support
research on technologies with obvious benefits and overwhelming
problems. This isn't an 'administration' thing; funding is provided by
Congress based on the advice of experts and dreamers. The current
Executive didn't stop it. Good for them.
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Go get em Dennis!
Roderick
The current eliminator will be racing in Bakersfield with team Firebird
against 16 other tracks with 64 per team(a large race)We are the
only electric.9am
till late each nite oct.7,8,9,10. Dennis Berube
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THANK YOU!!!!
Cameron-RR wrote:
Everyone,
I personally don't need to make public my whereabouts 24/7/365.
What are your thoughts?
-Cameron
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Waytek Wire sells everything on that page. http://www.waytekwire.com.
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:20:23 +0000, "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Great thanks! Somehow my google didn't find it. Now I've located the
>manufacturer and a local distributor, but so far I am going in circles
>trying to find a retailer who will actually sale me one :-( It looks like
>it is part of their automotive line so perhaps I can find a parts store that
>can get me one.
>
>damon
>
>
>>From: Stefano Landi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: Need help finding part
>>Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:58:44 -0400
>>
>>Hi Damon,
>>
>>A quick search on Google returned this site, they are manufactured by
>>Bussman and here is the link to their website.
>>
>>http://www.bussauto.com/products/circprot/
>>
>>regards,
>>
>>Stefano
>>
>>damon henry wrote:
>>
>>>My Black and Decker cordless mower has a 24VDC 40amp self reseting circuit
>>>breaker in it that seems to be going bad. Any idea where I can pick up a
>>>replacement? The only manufacturer label on it is "Shortstop" along with
>>>the above specs. Because the studs mount into the circuit board it would
>>>be nice to get a direct replacement, but it would not be hard to get
>>>anything with the correct specs to work.
>>>
>>>I have measured the current and never seen it get to even 30amps yet the
>>>circuit breaker keeps breaking the circuit, and the problem is getting
>>>worse. For now I have just removed it althogether.
>>>
>>>damon
>>>
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