EV Digest 3898
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) EV Charging Stations in Washington STATE
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Ideas for EV school visit
by "Mark Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) 50A 230V connectors
by "Christopher Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) EVDL poll where do you live ?
by Danny Ames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Ideas for EV school visit
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by Derrick J Brashear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) RE: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by "Shawn Waggoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by Marc Geller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by "Joe Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by Christopher Robison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Life After Woodburn, pt. 3, the rest of the story
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Galvanic Corrosion
by Ryan Bohm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by "Brown, Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by Lonnie Borntreger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by Brian Hay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
21) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by "EAA-contact" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by "EAA-contact" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by Ken Trough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re:EVDL poll where do you live?
by "Brad Ledger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by spidercats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
31) Re: EVDL poll where do you live ?
by richard ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
32) Re: Galvanic Corrosion
by richard ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Good NEWS out here in the far North West. Here in King County (Where
Seattle is) we have a government entity called METRO. They have jouris
diction over transit, and parking, and water projects, etc. Any way
News comes from our SEVA member Jim Johnson, of MC EV, that one of the
newly remodeled Park-N-Ride lots have been fitted with a few EV CHARGING
STALLS !! That's RIGHT EV CHARGING PARKING SPOTS !! This is VERY good
news. Our foot is in the door to repeat this in other Park-N-Ride
transit stations. For those of us in the Pacific NW, who might be
willing to lobby, there is a meeting to discuss this November 10th.
Here are a few more details, as passed on to me from Jim Johnson:
"You already have seen the announcement--Sound Transit is holding a
public meeting next wed 11/10/04 at Bellevue City Hall , council
chambers for input on the new and additions to park and rides at Mercer
Island, Issaquah and Woodinville. Do you plan to attend and any
suggestions for us? It certainly would be nice for them to continue
adding the Electric Vehicle parking spots with charge stations like they
did at Eastgate!! Thanks Jim "
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: http://www.seattleeva.org
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Hi all,
I'll be visiting a local school to talk to the Yr 6 kids (~12 years old)
about my EV.
I am planning to cover:
Some history of Evs
The science of what makes an electric motor go
Some maths (this many batteries gives that many volts, and charger runs
at this rate, batteries have that capacity, how long to charge?)
Some enviro info on where our petrol and electricity come from,
renewable resources etc
General questions and answers.
Some of you out there have done similar things at schools.
Are there any other things that you normally cover?
Any good resources on the net?
Anything else you can suggest?
Mark
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For my EV project, I've bought myself a PFC50, and I've been thinking
about how I'd like to provide power input to it. The idea I have is to
put a twistlock inlet behind the fuel door, as seems to be the most common
approach.
The problem is, 50 amp twistlocks seem to be in a different world. The 20A
and 30A varieties are a bit expensive ($30+ each for plug and connector)
but you can buy them anywhere, Home Depot, Lowes, etc. Step up to 50A, and
the selection disappears, and the prices get obscene. There seems to be
only a scant handful of sites online selling them, most of those to the
marine market for shore power connections, and in any case the best prices
I could find were for the Leviton connectors, which are around $80-90 a
pop.
What do others use, who have 50 amp chargers? Is there a less expensive
source for these things, or should I give up on using twistlocks? Also,
are the different brands (like the Levitons vs. the Hubbell Insulgrip,
etc) compatible with each other? Their similar item numbers would seem to
suggest so...
Thanks,
--chris
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It would be interesting to find out how many different places and
countries EVDL members are in.
Who knows you may discover your neighbor is on EVDL.
I'm in Brisbane California USA 1 mile south of San Francisco.
A few of you I have met this way.
Cheers,
Danny Ames
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Mark Fowler wrote:
> I'll be visiting a local school to talk to the Yr 6 kids
> (~12 years old) about my EV...
That's a fun age group. But, you'll lose 'em if you just stand up there
and talk. They will want to see ACTION!
Can you get some videos of the NEDRA dragsters? Or, just bring some
pictures to pass around. Include some monster EVs, like an electric
train, giant earthmover, etc.
Bring a motor, a battery, and some wire (clip leads are easy). Pass 'em
around so they can see how easy it is to hook a motor to a battery and
make it go. If you have more "stuff", bring it too!
Describe (or demonstrate, if possible) electrics they can build. Toy car
motor, a couple AA cells, and a car made out of recycled materials with
a rubber band drive. Electric bike, with a car fan motor
friction-driving the tire, powered by a sealed battery.
Give 'em a handout that has a resource list if they want to learn more.
Books, movies (Race the Sun), places on the web, etc. One example is our
BEST website, www.bestoutreach.org.
--
"Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful, committed
citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever
has!" -- Margaret Mead
--
Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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I live in Akron, Ohio about 5 miles from the part time
list administrator David Roden.
Rod
www.qsl.net/w8rnh
--- Danny Ames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It would be interesting to find out how many
> different places and
> countries EVDL members are in.
> Who knows you may discover your neighbor is on EVDL.
> I'm in Brisbane California USA 1 mile south of San
> Francisco.
> A few of you I have met this way.
> Cheers,
> Danny Ames
>
>
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I am in Waterford Ca, about 100 miles south of Sacramento and 15 miles east
of Modesto.
David C. Wilker Jr.
USAF (RET)
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From: "Danny Ames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV SEND MSG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 4:11 PM
Subject: EVDL poll where do you live ?
It would be interesting to find out how many different places and
countries EVDL members are in.
Who knows you may discover your neighbor is on EVDL.
I'm in Brisbane California USA 1 mile south of San Francisco.
A few of you I have met this way.
Cheers,
Danny Ames
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Pittsburgh, PA, where I am still trying to find someone to inspect my EV
so I can start driving it...
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Victoria, British Columbia, Canada - On west coast on Vancouver Island, 100
miles NW of Seattle, WA.
Live in an igloo with a bunch of dogs...
Don
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Danny Ames
Sent: November 6, 2004 4:11 PM
To: EV SEND MSG
Subject: EVDL poll where do you live ?
It would be interesting to find out how many different places and countries
EVDL members are in.
Who knows you may discover your neighbor is on EVDL.
I'm in Brisbane California USA 1 mile south of San Francisco.
A few of you I have met this way.
Cheers,
Danny Ames
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West Palm Beach, FL
Shawn M. Waggoner
Florida EAA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Danny Ames
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 19:11
To: EV SEND MSG
Subject: EVDL poll where do you live ?
It would be interesting to find out how many different places and
countries EVDL members are in.
Who knows you may discover your neighbor is on EVDL.
I'm in Brisbane California USA 1 mile south of San Francisco.
A few of you I have met this way.
Cheers,
Danny Ames
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San Francisco
Marc Geller
On Nov 6, 2004, at 4:11 PM, Danny Ames wrote:
It would be interesting to find out how many different places and
countries EVDL members are in.
Who knows you may discover your neighbor is on EVDL.
I'm in Brisbane California USA 1 mile south of San Francisco.
A few of you I have met this way.
Cheers,
Danny Ames
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Aliso Viejo, CA in Orange County, about 40 mi south of LA
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I live in the Willamette Valley in Oregon, about 5 miles from Woodburn,
where the original NEDRA drag races were held (and still are!). I am about
30 miles south of Portland, where John Wayland lives.
Joseph H. Strubhar
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
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From: "Danny Ames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV SEND MSG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 4:11 PM
Subject: EVDL poll where do you live ?
> It would be interesting to find out how many different places and
> countries EVDL members are in.
> Who knows you may discover your neighbor is on EVDL.
> I'm in Brisbane California USA 1 mile south of San Francisco.
> A few of you I have met this way.
> Cheers,
> Danny Ames
>
>
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Quite a few of us here in the AustinEV group (Austin, Texas USA)...
--chris
On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 18:11, Danny Ames wrote:
> It would be interesting to find out how many different places and
> countries EVDL members are in.
> Who knows you may discover your neighbor is on EVDL.
> I'm in Brisbane California USA 1 mile south of San Francisco.
> A few of you I have met this way.
> Cheers,
> Danny Ames
>
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Hedllo to All,
Steve Clunn wrote:
>.....2 small 18 gage wires that go from each side of the battery + contactor
>which the
>old dcp also used were flopping around...there's a flash, the stripped away
>wire is gone
>and some smoke marks , I stopped , and you know the feeling, I hate that
>feeling!
>....Then I remember John�s story , It seems I didn't learn a thing from
>it...But what
>happened to Johns� part 3?
Wow, it�s been too long between part two of this story to this part
three....been a bit
busy. OK, part 2 was where I had been coerced into taking White Zombie to the
track by
Otmar, even though I had just blown up the big SCR bypass Afterburner, the
upgrade to 288V
was left unfinished, there would be no chance of the car doing anything
spectacular, and
it would be a static display only. We had attempted to back the car out of the
shop:
>white smoke suddenly billowed out from under the hood! Geez, now what?
I was out of the car very quickly and looking under the hood with Oat, but by
the time we
got the hood open, unbelievably, all of the white smoke had vanished....I mean,
not a
trace of it! There were no smoldering wires, no melted connectors, not a bit of
evidence
for either of us to find. It was very weird, just like how we couldn�t find a
matching
zorch mark from the SCR mistake. It was as if the gods of EV drag racing were
plotting
against me. What I did find, though, was an important power cable left
disconnected. It
was one of the wires from the reversing contactor set that reconfigures the
front motor to
run in reverse direction (the rear motor freewheels and is simply along for the
ride
backwards). Minus this cable, the front motor had been sent BIG amps minus any
field
current....Da�Ohhh! No wonder the Godzilla was screaming at us!
It was an easy fix, and within minutes, we were ready to try backing up and out
the shop
driveway again. It bothered both of us that we hadn�t found the source of the
white smoke,
let alone the second zorch mark, but by this time, all we wanted to do, was to
get the car
on the trailer and be on our way to join up with everyone else at Woodburn. I
eased down
on the accelerator, and this time, the car moved away nicely....in fact, much
nicer than
it ever had because the rear end was no longer locked together with a
minispool, the
Detroit Locker was working beautifully, and the rear end�s newly found
differential action
allowed the car to be effortlessly steered. Minus the extreme load of a pair of
sticky
drag radials fighting each other, neither one wanting to give up and let loose
their grip,
the car was now transformed and smoothly rolled up the driveway with a minimum
of pedal
effort and with far less required current....finally, something worked as
planned!
Out on the street, instead of trying to muscle the car into position, it was
like driving
Blue Meanie with light steering and smooth turns...the EV grin was returning.
Also gone,
was any trace of rear tires scraping against the fenders. The Dutchman had
pulled through
with expert craftsmanship and had done the mods I had requested perfectly. The
fat rear
tires just barely cleared both the inner and outer limits of the little
Datsun�s rear
fender wells and the Detroit Locker allowed a cool sounding ratchet action to
take place
where the differential effect now kept the axle from wandering, thus
eliminating the fore
and aft wheel movement that had the tires digging into either the leading or
trailing
fender arch on turns. All of the axle problems and tire clearance issues were
gone. It was
also nice, knowing that for the first time since going to the chopped and
narrowed Ford
setup in back, the Zombie�s drive line was perfectly centered in the car�s
drive line
tunnel. In the future, once the motors are repositioned to eliminate the
undesirable angle
they�re currently at, an all new, all aluminum one piece larger diameter super
light
weight drive line will be made for the car.
We got the Zombie loaded up and chained down on the trailer, and were off in
our mini
caravan towards the Woodburn track 45 miles from the Wayland home. Going down
the freeway,
were two very quick electric street cars on their way to join other amped-up
EVs for a day
of fun.
At the track, we were met by excited EVers glad to see the two machines and
their
owner-creators had finally made it to the EVent. News quickly spread about the
Zombie�s
problems as I told all interested that the car would not be making any passes.
Like the
previous Spring races at PIR, several of my work buddies had come Woodburn to
watch the
car run and to support my racing efforts. One of them, was Tim Brehm, the same
guy who had
labored under White Zombie helping me take out the old rear end setup, then
later helping
to install the new Dutchman setup. Tim�s a pretty determined guy, and he would
not accept
the fact that White Zombie would simply be on display....�What do ya mean, it�s
not going
down the track?...Can�t you do this, change that, put this here, connect this
here, jumper
this to that?...� And so it went., with Tim then joined by the other electric
fork lift
wrench buddies now in a group effort to force me to reconsider things. I
answered back
that minus the upgrade to 288V, and minus any serious bypass contactor that
could handle
the high current blast mode, at 240V and stuck in series mode, the car would
only run high
14�s at best. Tim questioned why I just couldn�t rewire the brand new Albright
SW200
contactor used to bring on-line the SCR bypass, around the thing and use it as
the bypass
switch. And so it went, a fury of activity in the pits around the car that many
had come
to see....lots of onlookers, lots of video and pictures being taken, all
focused on the
car that less than an hour before, wouldn�t move, had zorched parts and smoke
rolling out
from the hood. What�s a Plasma Boy to do?
I really didn�t want to take a brand new contactor and put its life on the line
as a 2600
amp (est.) bypass device, as it was surely a prescription for carnage of the
device....after all, doing this with a beefy Bubba contactor took it out in 5
passes. I
�did� have a spare set of brand new contactor tips for it, but that plan was
for another
use of the contactor. This contactor�s role was supposed to only be a series
device with
the SCR, where it would have been brought on line without a load, and where it
would never
have to �make� 2600 amps of current. Rather, it only had to �carry� current,
then open
under ~ 1400 amps less current at the end of a run, where in theory, the twin
140 uf 800
volt film caps in parallel with its contact tips along with the 300 amp flyback
diode
across the motor pair, would absorb most all of the electrical energy, again in
theory,
reducing arcing at the contactor�s tips to a level where minimal damage was
done. Now, I
was being pressured to use this brand new contactor in a way that would
certainly destroy
its tips, all so that the car could run just �OK� passes. The battery pack had
been pretty
stagnant since May of this year, with the car torn down for months on end with
all the new
mods being done, so I also knew the pack would be pretty wimpy until exercised
back to
full power. Driving it the 15-16 mile run to the PIR track as I had been doing
in Portland
had proved to be a good way to �wake up� the pack, but taking it out here in
Woodburn
minus any prior road exercise, I figured it would take at least four runs down
the track
before any semblance of performance would be realized, and, I also figured the
SW200 might
not even survive that long! Nonetheless, under pressure from all, and not
wanting to
disapoint everyone, I began to regain that fire in my gut to make the car run,
no matter
how many of life�s curves were thrown at me.
There was a feverish pace around the car, with many helping out with
stuff....crimp
connectors were provided by Joe Strubar, tools were loaned by Tom True, pieces
of wire
from someone else....and within a half hour or so, the contactor had been wired
around the
dead SCR and the control wiring to operate it was re configured. In therory,
after a few
fairly tepid runs down the track, the third or fourth run with warmed-up and
exercised
batteries should turn in mid thirteens. This all of course, would only be
possible �if�
the SW200 could live that long!
I moved the car over to where it could be teched in. Though still a bit tweaked
over the
failure mode of just about everything, I was now looking forward to a good �ol
Wayland
style burnout with the new electric line lock. Tech in went fine, and before
long, I was
staged near the tree with Oat in California Poppy opposite me in the other
lane. It was
2:42 in the afternoon. I must say, the Zombie delivered a big block punch in
the burnout
pit, lighting up the drag radials like a pro stocker, the type of power display
that had
the gasser crowds� jaws dropping open in disbelief. I�ve got a snippet of Bob
Rice�s
camera work on tape capturing most of it, and it �was� impressive.
Unfortunately, after
catching the attention of just about every gas racer there that day and with
all eyes on
the little electric car that had just boiled its tires, I followed the burnout
with a
super wimpy 22.4 second, 45 mph 1/4 mile �walk� down the track as California
Poppy blew
past me with a smoke�n 14.1 @ near 95 mph blast. This was just another snafu
for the day.
How�d it happen?
Well, it goes like this. The car pulled off the line softly, with a horrible 2+
second 60
ft. time.. Not expecting to race this day, I had not used ice water in the
cooling system
for the Godzilla controller, and with rapidly warming up water, the controller
rolled back
its launch amps to where only 1000 amps or so were on tap. Then, there was the
issue of
sagging juice from sleepy batteries. Then, when I hit the �GO� button to fire
up the
Afterburner effect, the car simply went dead....zilch, no power...coast time! I
selected
series mode, and the power came back, but it was lack luster, with none of that
kick-in-the-back thrust. I tried the button once more...nothing. Twenty plus
seconds
later, I had limped to the finish line, where I took the �slow car� early
turn-off and
headed back to the timing shack and onto the pit area. I was dumbfounded as to
what had
gone wrong. I saw the smiling face of my wife as she had run over to greet me
on the
return, and so I reached over to get his object off the passenger seat so she
could get in
and sit down.....wait a minute, why was there an object on the seat? About the
time I
picked it up, it hit me, that the �object�, was the mating half of the emergency
disconnect! Yes, it�s true, in yet another blunder, I had forgotten to plug it
into the
receiver half inside the car, the cat required to put the Afterburner on line!
As a matter
of safety, I never snap in the handle side piece of the disconnect, until I�m
ready to
make a 1/4 mile pass. I had gone out to the track and made the entire run with
the
disconnect...well, disconnected! No wonder it went dead at the switch-over
point!
In the pits, with everyone wanting to know why the run sucked so bad, I had to
admit to
what I had done...this made everyone laugh. It certainly wasn�t turning out to
be a
stellar race day for me, that�s for sure! Oat showed up, gloating about his low
14 second
run and how he had blown my doors off. For those curious, this was the run
that was
captured on video, the run Oat submitted a link to recently, accompanied by
these wise
crack comments:
>Did I miss Johns post about Woodburn?
>It's just that Ken Lange sent me this nice video of one run against
>the Zombie and I was looking for a explanation. :-)
The link to the video showing California Poppy leaving White Zombie in its
wake, had
everyone talking....lots of fun.
Relieved that I had not blown something else up, I re-juiced Whie Zombie for
its next run.
At 3:27 in the dwindling afternoon, I made the second pass, again, next to Oat.
This time,
I made sure to snap-in the emergency disconnect handle! Oat and California
Poppy jumped
off the line briskly, once again leaving me behind to stare at his Kerry
sticker. The Zombie�s
not-co-cold controller again, rolled back its current limit at launch, the 60
ft. time was
poor at just 1.97 (it�s usually in the 1.8 second range). The batteries felt
stronger this
time, but still not close to their usual power level, and when I hit the button
the
expected slam into the seat wasn�t nearly as forceful as it usually is...this
was
reflected in a poor by White Zombie standards 72 mph 1/8 mile speed. White
Zombie normally
runs in the 82-84 mph range for the 1/8 mile, but hey, at least I was out on
the track,
and geesh, the last minute bypass contactor affair had worked! The time slips
reported
that California Poppy turned in a 14.02 @ 95.8 mph, White Zombie with a so-so
14.8 @ just
81 mph. White Zombie�s batteries were still sagging, so much so, that the 1/4
mile trap
speed was slower than what it normally runs in half the distance. The battery
pack was not
performing well, but only being the second run, this wasn�t a big surprise.
In the pits, it was hard to concentrate on checking individual battery
voltages, charging
levels, etc., due to Oat�s big mouth flapping away. I mean....man, was he ever
rubbing it
in on me! The good news, was that every Orbital looked to be the same voltage,
and there
were no signs of one or two of them being bad, so the lackluster power level of
the pack
was chocked up to lack of cycling and long term atrophy of the pack over the
past 4
months. Also good news, was that the capacitors across the contacts of the
SW200 bypass
contactor seemed to have down their job, with very little evidence of �severe�
arcing at
the release point. Yes, there was �some� arcing, as we did see trace patterns
on adjacent
areas, and, Oat reported seeing a flash through the Zombie�s grill as he
watched in his
review mirror (I hate that he could look in his rear view mirror and see me!).
The contact
pads though, were in respectable condition after what they had been through.
At 4:38 in the afternoon, the 3rd match-up between California Poppy and White
Zombie was
unfolding. The battery pack in White Zombie had sucked in a much longer, deeper
charge
indicating that like always, the pack simply needed to get exercised a bit to
flex its
muscles. I just new I was going to clean Oat�s clock! Off the line, White
Zombie still
suffered from a non-iced controller, so the 60 ft. time still sucked at
1.95...This time
the Californian had a race to contend with, as we both left the line with nearly
identical 60 ft. times and by the 330 ft. mark both cars were neck and neck at
5.6 and
5.7 seconds, with the nod still going to California Poppy. I hadn�t hit the
button yet, so
with an evil �take this� in mind, I hit it only to feel the car go limp and
slow down as
Obenhowsherhovenhoffen sped away...damn! I tried a few more times to no avail
and finally
just stood on it in series mode to finish the run at 15.4 @ only 77 mph :-(
Back in the pits to charge again, I found a suspect loose connection at the
bypass
contactor (any wonder, having thrown it together at the last minute?). A half
hour later,
there was time for one more run.
At 5:06 it was Bob Salem in his snappy VW Rabbit pickup next to me, instead of
Oat. White
Zombie�s launch was unchanged at a 1.9 second 60 ft. time, again, due to a
non-iced
controller, but the batteries felt much stronger during the initial series mode
pull up to
60 mph or so, when I hit the button as the 1500 amp meter�s needle banged
solidly against
the peg...yeah, that felt better! I could tell it wasn�t going to be a super
quick run,
but it was nonetheless, a strong run. The 1/8 mile flashed by in 8.5 seconds at
just shy
of 80 mph, with the 1/4 mile being dispatched in 13.6 seconds @ 94 mph. Time to
let up on the
throttle as the car continued to pull hard....bye, bye, SW200! Having been
there, done
that, and not racing in darkness this time around, the welded contactor was
dealt with in
a calm manner as I jerked the emergency disconnect handle away from its mount
and coasted slower
to make the return lane run back to the pits.
In the pit area, I considered changing out the contact tips with the spare set
I had
brought along in hopes of turning a low 13 ET, but the announcement was made
that this
year�s Woodburn races were closing for the day.
The award ceremony was fun, the dinner afterwards in Portland over zesty
Mexican food was
a hoot, and it felt good to have gotten White Zombie to run, even though no new
records
were set, and even though I�m sure its mediocre performance was a let down to
many.
In the weeks following Woodburn, the weather in Portland simply did not
cooperate with
rain finding its way to every weekend I could have possibly made it to the
track. In fact,
there was only one dry night of drag racing, a Friday late in October, that was
dry...the
same night I was out of town at the Oregon coast on a work detail :-( The next
day,
Saturday when I was back in Portland, it rained, and Nov. 1st, PIR closed the
racing
season to reopen in the Spring.
This Winter will be a great time to redesign the way the electric motors are
mounted up
front, and I may have that single piece aluminum drive line built. Come Spring,
look for
the 288V White Zombie to finally debut, and look for the car to hopefully, run
deeper into the
12�s.
See Ya.......John �Plasma Boy� Wayland
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Hi,
I've been using steel rivets in aluminum sheets. While welding up my
electronics rack with my brother today, he told me that joining aluminum
and steel can be a problem due to galvanic corrosion. My question: is
my car going to disinegrate if I use steel rivets in aluminum? All the
rivets will be subject to the normal air humidity (low here in Utah),
but shouldn't have much other moisture on them. I don't see much I can
do about the rivets - I could use aluminum ones, but then they would be
going through the steel that the aluminum sheets are being connected to.
I'm hoping someone will just say "it's no big deal, don't worry about
it", but if it will be a problem, I want to do something about it now.
My electric-heater element casing will have steel rivets through it
regardless - I'm not ripping my dash apart to fix that problem :)
Thanks,
Ryan
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Subject: EVDL poll where do you live ?
It would be interesting to find out how many different places and
countries EVDL members are in.
Who knows you may discover your neighbor is on EVDL.
I'm in Brisbane California USA 1 mile south of San Francisco.
A few of you I have met this way.
Cheers,
Danny Ames
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On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 19:11 -0500, Danny Ames wrote:
> It would be interesting to find out how many different places and
> countries EVDL members are in.
> Who knows you may discover your neighbor is on EVDL.
> I'm in Brisbane California USA 1 mile south of San Francisco.
Bakersfield, CA -- where oil is king.
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Brisbane,
Australia.
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Brian Hay.
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Imperial Beach CA,
south of San Diego, barely north of the border.
Ben
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Alameda, CA, where a lot of EV projects have begun (like the birth of the REVA
at the CalStart Hatchery) and one of the sites for Green Motor Works which use
to rent EVs, although my involvement has come after those projects.
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| I'm in Brisbane California USA 1 mile south of San Francisco.
| A few of you I have met this way.
| Cheers,
| Danny Ames
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Next to Oakland and just across the Bay Bridge from San Francisco.
Alameda, CA, where a lot of EV projects have begun (like the birth of the REVA
at the CalStart Hatchery) and one of the sites for Green Motor Works which use
to rent EVs, although my involvement has come after those projects
Ed Thorpe
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Bellingham, WA
About 35 miles south of Canada on the west coast.
-Ken Trough
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Memphis, TN
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Rod Hower wrote:
>I live in Akron, Ohio about 5 miles from the part time
>list administrator David Roden.
>Rod
>www.qsl.net/w8rnh
>--- Danny Ames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>>It would be interesting to find out how many
>>different places and
>>countries EVDL members are in.
>>Who knows you may discover your neighbor is on EVDL.
>>I'm in Brisbane California USA 1 mile south of San
>>Francisco.
>>A few of you I have met this way.
>>Cheers,
>>Danny Ames
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Maidstone Kent UK
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Gilbert, Arizona
--- Danny Ames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It would be interesting to find out how many
> different places and
> countries EVDL members are in.
> Who knows you may discover your neighbor is on EVDL.
> I'm in Brisbane California USA 1 mile south of San
> Francisco.
> A few of you I have met this way.
> Cheers,
> Danny Ames
>
>
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Philippe, France, east direction...over the pond
Et si le pot d'�chappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les v�hicules �lectriques
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> --- Danny Ames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > It would be interesting to find out how many
> > different places and
> > countries EVDL members are in.
> > Who knows you may discover your neighbor is on EVDL.
> > I'm in Brisbane California USA 1 mile south of San
> > Francisco.
> > A few of you I have met this way.
> > Cheers,
> > Danny Ames
> >
> >
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hi
just for info
me - south wales UK
Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Gilbert, Arizona
--- Danny Ames wrote:
> It would be interesting to find out how many
> different places and
> countries EVDL members are in.
> Who knows you may discover your neighbor is on EVDL.
> I'm in Brisbane California USA 1 mile south of San
> Francisco.
> A few of you I have met this way.
> Cheers,
> Danny Ames
>
>
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dont panic ali and steel takes years to break down
unless you get it wet a lot
Ryan Bohm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
I've been using steel rivets in aluminum sheets. While welding up my
electronics rack with my brother today, he told me that joining aluminum
and steel can be a problem due to galvanic corrosion. My question: is
my car going to disinegrate if I use steel rivets in aluminum? All the
rivets will be subject to the normal air humidity (low here in Utah),
but shouldn't have much other moisture on them. I don't see much I can
do about the rivets - I could use aluminum ones, but then they would be
going through the steel that the aluminum sheets are being connected to.
I'm hoping someone will just say "it's no big deal, don't worry about
it", but if it will be a problem, I want to do something about it now.
My electric-heater element casing will have steel rivets through it
regardless - I'm not ripping my dash apart to fix that problem :)
Thanks,
Ryan
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