EV Digest 3957
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: EV eff, was, Re: reduce a cars electric-power usage by 70 percent
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2) Re: Bill Dube Crimper URL - more info.
by Andrew Letton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) RE: attack on clean-air requirements
by "Chris Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Some interesting auctions
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
5) Re: Bill Dube Crimper URL - more info.
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: Bill Dube Crimper URL - more info.
by "Jamie Marshall \(GAMES\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) 11 inch advanced dc
by "steve ollerton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: attack on clean-air requirements
by Lightning Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: 11 inch advanced dc
by "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: eCycle
by "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Troubleshooting the ADC
by Nick Viera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: eCycle
by "Doug Hartley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Troubleshooting the ADC
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Bill Dube Crimper URL - more info.
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
15) The 300zx is alive!!
by "Steve Clunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Finally joining the game...
by "Brown, Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: eCycle
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
18) Re: Panasonic EV1260 batteries--where can I get some?
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: The 300zx is alive!!
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) AC Propulsion questions
by Joseph Vaughn-Perling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) EV Presention Wanted, Springfield MA
by Mark Farver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) EV Differentials and Drives
by "johnk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: EV Differentials and Drives
by Andrew Letton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Bill Dube Crimper idea
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: EV Differentials and Drives
by "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) OT: Gas powered cell phones - for real
by "Chris Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: eCycle, was Re: Real or Memorex?
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I've known about these cars for years, and I would dearly love to own one, but
they are not imported to the US, nor will they be.
The CLAIMED reason is they can only run on low sulfur diesel and we don't have
that in the states, but I'm willing to be that if it DID become available the
big 3 and others would do there damndest to keep them out of the country.
I't becomes hard to say "we can't make a car that gets 35 miles per gallon
without bankrupting the company" when there is one that gets over twice that on
the market.
James
>
> Volkswagen says:
> A three-cylinder diesel engine with UIS technology that attains the so
> far unequalled efficiency level of 45%, combined with the consistent
> use of the technologies mentioned above, has made the Lupo 3L TDI the
> first mass-produced car in the world with an average consumption of
> less than three litres per 100 kilometres.
>
> http://www.volkswagen-environment.de/buster/buster.asp?i=_content/modelle_335.asp
>
> It has a variable-vane supercharger, and computer controlled gearbox.
> This is not a car which goes into single-figure fuel economy every
> time you press the accellerator.
>
> I'm seriously thinking about buying one if I don't get my EV built
> this winter!
>
> Regards
> Evan.
>
>
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David Roden wrote:
On 13 Dec 2004 at 4:59, Ryan Bohm wrote:
They aren't the highest quality.
[snip]
If you started with bolt cutters that were comparable in quality to the
crimpers you're looking at, I suspect you wouldn't save much money -
especially if you add the value of your time in making them.
...but, if you search the flea market for a high quality cutter that has
bad cutting edges (chipped or notched from attempting to cut hardened
steel) then you can still come out ahead. I got a pair of high quality
3' cutters with ruined cutting surfaces for $15 at the flea market.
cheers,
Andrew
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Lightning Ryan wrote:
> ps. So why is Honda staying out if it? I guess they are now
> selling 3 out of the 5 Hybrids on the market. I might even
> call them the company I wish our domestic guys were more
> like. Superb crash test facitilities, into all sorts of
> clean "power equiptment", robotics! Ironic that their Hybrids
> are the weakest of all. I doubt that even they would be
> eager to jump into the new electric "Power" paradigm.
>
> Although they would be perfectly suited to the task.
> Considering their body of engineering work. I'de start out
> with a super-offroad CRV, a Minivan, and an all aluminum (4
> seat Insight/CRX Coope/Wagon thing)
Hi Ryan,
All the car companies are corporations, which are required by law to
maximize profits. ICE vehicles are stupefyingly complex, which makes them
expensive, which makes them very profitable. Even at the same profit
margins EVs could sell for less, which means lower total profits. Add in a
very conservative user base, the unwillingness of the marketing department
to try to change the minds of the users, and a dealer network that would be
Very Angry about the lost service revenue that EVs would cause, and you can
see why no big auto manufacturer is a friend of EVs.
Honda is a special case. They have always been seen as environmentally
friendly. IMO, the environment matters to Honda *only* in that it provides
an engineering challenge that they are highly qualified to meet. The fact
is, there is no company on the planet that is better at building powerful,
smooth, clean, efficient, reliable ICEs than Honda. It's been proven in
racing and consumer markets for cars, motorcycles, scooters, even lawn
mowers.
In an engineering sense if you take the ICE out of it, Honda is no longer
#1. That terrifies them. They know the ICE's days are numbered. They also
know their hybrids display nowhere near the stunning technical excellence
that Toyota's do. Honda has been soundly beaten in the clean vehicle world,
which I'm sure they find very difficult to bear. They aren't in a position
to guide the market now. I think they're sitting back to see what happens,
which means staying out of the CA lawsuit. Preserving their earth-friendly
image is a welcome side benefit.
Taking the long view, they can work on climbing back to the top with either
FCEVs or BEVs. BEVs are relatively simple, FCEVs are very complex. I think
their choice was as predictable as it is disappointing. If anyone could
have made production BEVs accepted in the marketplace, it's Honda. They
didn't. Even though the EV+ already existed, and was accepted as one of the
best consumer vehicles, EV or ICE.
We need to face facts. BEVs will not come from the major automakers. China
has a shot at changing things if they can improve quality. I'd really like
to see a small American company do this. Heck, *I'd* like to do this, and
I'd start tomorrow if someone came up with funding today. Seriously. Rick
Woodbury is ready to do this *right now*, with a fully tested prototype and
all documentation. All he needs is funds for crash testing. We're so
close, yet I fear it won't happen.
Chris
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Ford Ranger EV Inverter Module for sale on eBay, if anyone's interested. Not
mine, just happened across it.
Item #7940628198
Bit pricey minimum bid, tho...
Also, there's a Toyota Prius Inverter/Motor. Only a little bit dented... ;-)
(see second photo)
Item #7939835820
No bids on either of these.
Richard
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/474.html
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I do have a crimper similar to Bill's:
http://www.metricmind.com/ac_honda/images/strap7.jpg
The jaw's shaped after professional crimper used
by Siemens (I made an epoxy impression of the dent
their crimper leaves and shaped the welded-on blob of
steel to resemble it).
Yes, the cutter was $20 used one in used tools
re-seller shop, and goos steel one would cost more.
I'd get the good one if my intent was to cut.
But for application I bought it for, I wouldn't
be able to take advantage of the steel quality,
so it makes no sense to ruin top quality cutter
to make a [top quality by result] crimper out of it.
(My cutter was US made, jut was too worn out to serve
as a cutter anymore. No sweat shop labor involved :-)
BTW, I'm very happy with my crimper, and it has one
advantage - I can put inserts (spacers) bent to
fit the shape of the half-circle cut jaw, which allows
to crimp variety of cable diameters. I suppose one
can make inserts for Bill's style crimper too, but
it will require two of them, they must be half-hex shaped,
and will fall out if not held in place (which makes
using the tool awkward - you need 3 hands).
In my case the half-circle insert jams in the cut
and stays there.
Victor
David Roden wrote:
On 13 Dec 2004 at 4:59, Ryan Bohm wrote:
They aren't the highest quality.
I think this is the trapdoor in the scheme. Sure, you can find lots of
cheap Chinese-made bolt cutters at the budget hardware stores. They cost a
LOT less than good quality bolt cutters at the real industrial supply
houses. I'll admit that with these you get a lot for your money by
comparison with the good stuff - but then that's often the case when the
manufacturer is using sweatshop labor to make something. Face it though,
the cost isn't all 20 cent an hour labor; it's design and materials. The
Harbor Freight and similar bolt cutters are not as well designed or made,
nor are they made with the same quality of steel, as the full price stuff.
If you started with bolt cutters that were comparable in quality to the
crimpers you're looking at, I suspect you wouldn't save much money -
especially if you add the value of your time in making them. That's why I
went with a hammer crimper. (I'm also kinda feeble, and I can hammer better
than I can squeeze. <g>) I know the arguments against it, but I've been
pretty satisfied with the hammer crimper.
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Is there a table somewhere that would tell me what size socket to use
for crimping different gauges of cable?
I'm guessing that the 13mm was for 0/2?
-Jamie
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Hello
Anyone tried the new 11inch advanced DC motor yet? Any suggestions on which
controller would best handle this beast?!!
Steve
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Chris Tromley wrote:
Lightning Ryan wrote:
ps. So why is Honda staying out if it? I guess they are now
selling 3 out of the 5 Hybrids on the market. I might even
call them the company I wish our domestic guys were more
like. Superb crash test facitilities, into all sorts of
clean "power equiptment", robotics! Ironic that their Hybrids
are the weakest of all. I doubt that even they would be
eager to jump into the new electric "Power" paradigm.
Although they would be perfectly suited to the task.
Considering their body of engineering work. I'de start out
with a super-offroad CRV, a Minivan, and an all aluminum (4
seat Insight/CRX Coope/Wagon thing)
All the car companies are corporations, which are required by law to
maximize profits. ICE vehicles are stupefyingly complex, which makes them
expensive, which makes them very profitable. Even at the same profit
margins EVs could sell for less, which means lower total profits. Add in a
very conservative user base, the unwillingness of the marketing department
to try to change the minds of the users, and a dealer network that would be
Very Angry about the lost service revenue that EVs would cause, and you can
see why no big auto manufacturer is a friend of EVs.
Honda is a special case. They have always been seen as environmentally
friendly. IMO, the environment matters to Honda *only* in that it provides
an engineering challenge that they are highly qualified to meet. The fact
is, there is no company on the planet that is better at building powerful,
smooth, clean, efficient, reliable ICEs than Honda. It's been proven in
racing and consumer markets for cars, motorcycles, scooters, even lawn
mowers.
In an engineering sense if you take the ICE out of it, Honda is no longer
#1. That terrifies them. They know the ICE's days are numbered. They also
know their hybrids display nowhere near the stunning technical excellence
that Toyota's do. Honda has been soundly beaten in the clean vehicle world,
which I'm sure they find very difficult to bear. They aren't in a position
to guide the market now. I think they're sitting back to see what happens,
which means staying out of the CA lawsuit. Preserving their earth-friendly
image is a welcome side benefit.
Taking the long view, they can work on climbing back to the top with either
FCEVs or BEVs. BEVs are relatively simple, FCEVs are very complex. I think
their choice was as predictable as it is disappointing. If anyone could
have made production BEVs accepted in the marketplace, it's Honda. They
didn't. Even though the EV+ already existed, and was accepted as one of the
best consumer vehicles, EV or ICE.
We need to face facts. BEVs will not come from the major automakers. China
has a shot at changing things if they can improve quality. I'd really like
to see a small American company do this. Heck, *I'd* like to do this, and
I'd start tomorrow if someone came up with funding today. Seriously. Rick
Woodbury is ready to do this *right now*, with a fully tested prototype and
all documentation. All he needs is funds for crash testing. We're so
close, yet I fear it won't happen.
That's almost exactly my take, but Honda isn't just about ICE's. I
would say they are more a "vehicles and toy" company, yes, currently
their primary mode of power is from ICE's though as you mentioned they
do make probably one of the best fuel cell vehicles, and have made
various other types of power systems in other vehicles.
I especially hate to see Toyota's Prius "taking all the glory" while
publicly fighting clean vehicle regulations. Honda probably doesn't
have any problems with the regs because they can already meet them.
It would just be handy for say a project like the Tango to have such
an amasing crash test facility. It's also not as if the IMA isn't
already a slick piece of hardware, I would think that it would be
trivial for them to isolate the IMA/ICE from a 50-100kW IMA to the
transmission and go to Lithium making their Insight/Civic/Accord
into PHEV-20's! That would put them back on top of the Hybrid game.
Perhaps Honda is just waiting for the domestic guys to get hooked into
their silly over complex "Synergy" type systems. Only to jump in
with a much simpler PHEV that like their existing Hybrids will still
opperate even when the batteries get old and even fail entirely.
Probably not like you said even they are probably hooked on the service.
L8r
Ryan
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Does anyone have any information on this motor yet?
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From: "steve ollerton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 4:49 PM
Subject: 11 inch advanced dc
Hello
Anyone tried the new 11inch advanced DC motor yet? Any suggestions on
which
controller would best handle this beast?!!
Steve
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But I see no product only drawings.
Mike G.
Doug Hartley wrote:
Perhaps it wasn't BS. Take a look at http://www.ebicibikes.com/
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shanab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EVlist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: eCycle
My problem with them was, money in hand, they wouldn't sell me
product. They wanted to know my design, production, and commit to
units per month.
I tried to tell them I was prototyping a human/powered recumbent
trike and they said they wouldn't sell to me because I would be
conflicting with someone else they had promised exclusivtiviy on
similar product.
my BS detector went off and I gave up.
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Hi,
Well, I found something bad while under the Jeep yesterday. I was
reconnecting the wires to the motor at terminals A2 and A1, while I was
reassembling the motor. I brushed against the negative wire to the motor
(goes to the hard to see/reach terminal S1), and to my horror saw the
lug at terminal S1 moving about freely. Just great, the connection was
very loose. How the hell could that have happened??
So, being the optimist I am, I simply tried tightening the nut on the
terminal. No good, it wasn't tightening one bit. So, I took it off, only
to see that half of terminal S1's thread is now completely melted off.
This is in addition to the bolt and washer being burnt, corroded, and
now pitted due to arcing. Oh, and the plastic ring around the terminal
looks half melted, and the rubber boot covering the connection is very
melted (No wonder there were weird smells coming from the motor!)
After some practice, I was able to find a way to get the camera up in
there to get pictures of S1 (and the other stuff). Here:
http://driveev.com/temp/motor/melted/
I am extremely embarrassed that I didn't notice this before, but one
problem is that S1 is in a position where it is hard to see (and I was
apparently too stupid to think of tugging on the wires to make sure the
connections were snug.) :-(
So anyways, I got out a file and ground off all the corrosion and burn
marks on the eyelet, and nut, and installed a new washer. I then put the
eyelet back on the terminal and put extra washers between it and the nut
so the nut wouldn't need to screw on to as much thread, and thus I got
the connection snug now. Obviously this is by no means a permanent fix.
With the eyelet bolted back up to S1, hopefully making a better
connection than it had before, I went for a short drive to see if there
was any difference in performance. Starting off from a stop is still
just as lousy, BUT, once the Jeep is moving, I noticed that the
performance is *noticeably* better than before. For example, I can put
it in 3rd going 25mph and still have good acceleration on flat surface
(before, If I tried 3rd while going that slow I'd be flooring it and
basically going nowhere).
So, I believe that this connection was/is one of my big problems. I
still need to fix it (replace it?). My other concern is if it was
getting hot enough at the terminal to melt plastic, rubber, and pit the
metal contact surfaces, is there a possibility I've damaged the
electrical connections inside the motor that are soldered (?) to
terminal S1? Since the two series sets of coils are connected in
parallel between S1 and S2, I wonder if one coil set's connection to S1
could have been melted off or been damaged, leaving only one set of
coils functioning in the motor. This could explain the lousy performance
and the heating of the motor, while still having continuity between S1
and S2 (which I know there is and should be).
I still can't believe S1 had been so loose and I was too stupid to ever
check or notice it :-/
The mystery continues?... (I'm still looking to take this motor to a
shop for inspection)...
-Nick
1988 Jeep Cherokee 4x4 EV
http://Go.DriveEV.com/
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I only meant that it was not BS when eCycle told Jeff they were already
working with someone in this category of human/powered recumbent. I don't
know how far they have progressed towards making real vehicles, their rate
of progress, or anything more than what is on the web site. But they
probably appeared more credible to eCycle than many enquiries they get.
Doug
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From: "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: eCycle
But I see no product only drawings.
Mike G.
Doug Hartley wrote:
Perhaps it wasn't BS. Take a look at http://www.ebicibikes.com/
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shanab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EVlist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: eCycle
My problem with them was, money in hand, they wouldn't sell me product.
They wanted to know my design, production, and commit to units per
month.
I tried to tell them I was prototyping a human/powered recumbent trike
and they said they wouldn't sell to me because I would be conflicting
with someone else they had promised exclusivtiviy on similar product.
my BS detector went off and I gave up.
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GOT IT !!
This is the kind of experience that is painfull, but makes you a much better
EV tech guy.
Yea.... I fear that there is still damage inside the motor, The leads
are copper welded and area real bitch to work on. you need a copper welder
to do it right. Solder is not good enough.
Having one 1/2 the fields lit up , and getting REALLY hot is not going to be
a pretty sight, But it fully explains the massive lack of power. In essence
you have a 4.5 inch motor... aka 1/2 the 9. Buck up Ma Boy , you may still
have twice the motor when you see the light of day on this Opps!.
We gotta name ya for it.....All us Evers get named, and it stings when we
do....
Plasma Boy, Darn near burnd up his White Zombie.....
This is exactly what you needed to find, something simple but Ugly.
Q Rod to get you a set of field coils. It's better than a whole motor.
Oh yea Ohming the motor is rather foolish. A good motor is 0.004 ohms, You
need to do a 12 volts 100 to 200 amps of current, then measure the instant
amps and volts, Then calculate the ohms for that.
We need a 12 jumper cable test to find out if both field pair are in
parallel.
If one field set is down your burshes should look a LOT different on the set
the is carring curren than the ones that don't Hopefully there is minimal
damage to the set that was doing all the work.
Thank your start that you only had a 600, The 1200 would have blown a single
set of coils up in just a few minutes.
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From: "Nick Viera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: Troubleshooting the ADC
> Hi,
>
> Well, I found something bad while under the Jeep yesterday. I was
> reconnecting the wires to the motor at terminals A2 and A1, while I was
> reassembling the motor. I brushed against the negative wire to the motor
> (goes to the hard to see/reach terminal S1), and to my horror saw the
> lug at terminal S1 moving about freely. Just great, the connection was
> very loose. How the hell could that have happened??
>
> So, being the optimist I am, I simply tried tightening the nut on the
> terminal. No good, it wasn't tightening one bit. So, I took it off, only
> to see that half of terminal S1's thread is now completely melted off.
> This is in addition to the bolt and washer being burnt, corroded, and
> now pitted due to arcing. Oh, and the plastic ring around the terminal
> looks half melted, and the rubber boot covering the connection is very
> melted (No wonder there were weird smells coming from the motor!)
>
> After some practice, I was able to find a way to get the camera up in
> there to get pictures of S1 (and the other stuff). Here:
> http://driveev.com/temp/motor/melted/
>
> I am extremely embarrassed that I didn't notice this before, but one
> problem is that S1 is in a position where it is hard to see (and I was
> apparently too stupid to think of tugging on the wires to make sure the
> connections were snug.) :-(
>
> So anyways, I got out a file and ground off all the corrosion and burn
> marks on the eyelet, and nut, and installed a new washer. I then put the
> eyelet back on the terminal and put extra washers between it and the nut
> so the nut wouldn't need to screw on to as much thread, and thus I got
> the connection snug now. Obviously this is by no means a permanent fix.
>
> With the eyelet bolted back up to S1, hopefully making a better
> connection than it had before, I went for a short drive to see if there
> was any difference in performance. Starting off from a stop is still
> just as lousy, BUT, once the Jeep is moving, I noticed that the
> performance is *noticeably* better than before. For example, I can put
> it in 3rd going 25mph and still have good acceleration on flat surface
> (before, If I tried 3rd while going that slow I'd be flooring it and
> basically going nowhere).
>
> So, I believe that this connection was/is one of my big problems. I
> still need to fix it (replace it?). My other concern is if it was
> getting hot enough at the terminal to melt plastic, rubber, and pit the
> metal contact surfaces, is there a possibility I've damaged the
> electrical connections inside the motor that are soldered (?) to
> terminal S1? Since the two series sets of coils are connected in
> parallel between S1 and S2, I wonder if one coil set's connection to S1
> could have been melted off or been damaged, leaving only one set of
> coils functioning in the motor. This could explain the lousy performance
> and the heating of the motor, while still having continuity between S1
> and S2 (which I know there is and should be).
>
> I still can't believe S1 had been so loose and I was too stupid to ever
> check or notice it :-/
>
> The mystery continues?... (I'm still looking to take this motor to a
> shop for inspection)...
>
> -Nick
> 1988 Jeep Cherokee 4x4 EV
> http://Go.DriveEV.com/
>
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> If you started with bolt cutters that were comparable in quality to the
> crimpers you're looking at, I suspect you wouldn't save much money -
> especially if you add the value of your time in making them. That's why I
> went with a hammer crimper.
<snip>
Boy, you better not start considering the value of your time when doing a
conversion, it makes for a _very_ expensive car!
This is why you go to a flea market and get high quality, american made
bolt cutters with damaged jaws. I have the origional "Bill Dube'"
crimpers in the back of my car right now, and I was there when he bought
them. They must weigh 30+ lbs, and the hanles are made out of solid
metal. About 3' long. These in particular didn't have jaws that were too
bad, but were chosen because they looked the strongest. There were
several different people selling them that day, so we had a bunch to
choose from. And $20 was the average price; Bill didn't even try to
bargen with them. After buying them, the guy next to him had a bucket of
random sockets for $1 each. Hence "$21 crimpers".
Pre-cutting the socket, grinding and welding the jaws took about 2 hours,
most of the time in setup, finding tools (it pays to be organized :-) and
cleanup. Using skills and tools that most EVers should have if they are
doing a conversion. I know, not everyone does a conversion using a
welder, but it's possible to get a used MIG welder setup for about the $
you save making your own crimpers! Plus, it's fun making your own tools.
Just look at all the posts it has generated over the past 5 years!
Bill has since bought a used pair of universal crimpers, becuase he got a
really good deal on it, and it has a set of rotating jaws. It can do
about a dozen different sizes, but believe it or not, for 13mm crimps, the
home made pair does a much better job.
I gotta find some time to actually use the crimpers so I can get them back
to him... My car must be at least the 5th vehicle made using them.
- Steven Ciciora
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Was it reading Ryan's post that made me skip mowing lawns Monday ( grass
isn't growing now anyway) or my wife saying I needed to pick up our daughter
at 4 from school . Anyway , I started to "just do a few thing on the ZX ,
wiring up the front batteries , adding a fuse , By 3 it was looking like
enough was done for a short ride , my neighbor came by , I kept working
while he ran his mouth, and was going to give him the first ride ( he's seen
and been it almost all the cars I've done ) when I looked at the clock , got
to go , I think I really wanted my daughter along for the first ride, but I
hadn't hooked up the water pump for the controller so I decided to take my
truck to pick her up when my wife called , "she needs to be picked up at 5 .
ahhh . I had an hour to hook the water pump up , one of these 120ac fountain
pumps , so I also needed to hook up the inverter to run it . All got done
and I'm cursing to the high school to pick her up , The car feels very good
for 26 golf cart bats , with 8 batteries right behind the seat , that
getting the weight in the middle seems to help , no e meter yet so I don't
know what it was using . I see my daughter standing out side talking with
her friends and she doesn't know it's me , till I'm right there. All her
friends look , "why is that car so quite, ?"On the way home we stop at the
local pizza place where I played the piano for 7 years , over which time
They had seen and ridden in almost all the conversions I've done. So they
all come out to check out the latest and while there talking and asking
questions , my cell rings and It's Bob , the cars owner , I tell him about
the car being on the road while in the back ground the pizza guy is telling
the other people about me and my ev's . He can hear all the people in the
back ground talking about his car , what timing! .
VW
Mercury lynx
ford ranger
Hyundai
Mitsubishi pu
912 Porsche
Mitsubishi pu 2
924 Porsche
Mazda pu
Mazda pu 2
Toyota torcell
Nissan 300zx
so many first rides , what a lucky guy I am.
Steve Clunn
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Thought this might be of interest to the list.
Looks like GM and Chrysler are getting into the hybrid business.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/2945925
Jay
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> eCycle state straight-up that they got only enough funding to design and
> prototype the hybrid motorcycle, but they didn't yet find the additional
> money to put it into production.
> It is a dream of theirs that had to be put on the back burner while they
> work on the products, (such as electronically Commutated BLDC
> Motor/Generators (CMG)), and on the customers/ orders, that will will bring
> in the revenue short and medium term. I saw the now dismantled hybrid bike
> when I was there in November.
Too bad their web page doesn't show the updated reality of the situation:
http://www.ecycle.com/powersports/hybrid.htm
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Hi Olaf and All,
They seem hard to pry from Panasonic and even
then they cost too much if you can get them.
Wouldn't Deka Dominators or Orbitals work for
you?
Or better, change to BB600 Ni-cads? They cost
about the same as Orbitals, Dominators, surplus and a
lot less than Panasonics, better in the winter and
last 20+ yrs.
What are they going in?
Do you still have that cool 3 wheel Berkley?
Could you give some details on it like motor, range,
batts, voltage, weight?
Thanks,
jerry dycus
--- Olaf Bleck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for some of the Panasonic EV1260's. Is
> there a "regular"
> source for these? What seems to be the going price?
>
> Actually, I need an 8V version of the same battery
> (replacing the Delphi
> modules that were made for the Ford Ranger), but the
> 12V module will do.
>
> If anyone has some leads, please let me know.
>
> Thanks!
> -Olaf
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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On 14 Dec 2004 at 9:54, Steve Clunn wrote:
> The car feels very good for 26 golf cart
> bats ...
That's about 1700 lb of lead, quite a load for that critter to haul around.
What did you do to the suspension so it could handle so much extra weight?
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Is the Scion Kit ready soon?
If not, is anyone interested in gathering a group lot for a production
run of AC Propulsion drive system installations for 2005?
"The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."
-Walter Bagehot
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AustinEV got this request for a speaker willing to give an engineering
oriented EV talk for a IEEE group in Springfield, MA for late Feb. If
anyone has an interest or a suggestion please email me privately and I
will put you in touch.
Thanks
Mark Farver, AustinEV.org
Forwarded Text follows:
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I am Chairperson of Springfield (MA) Section of the Institute of
Electrical and Electronic Engineers (IEEE). I am writing to seek your
help in identifying a speaker who will be willing to give us some time
to speak during a meeting of the section celebrating National Engineers
Week, 2005. The week will be observed during February 20 through
February 26. Suitable days for us will be Tuesday the 22nd or Thursday
the 24th of February, 2005.
The section has a membership of over 400 and the numbers showing up for
a meeting does depend on the topic and the speaker. I am looking for a
speaker who could talk about the past, the present and the future of
electric or hybrid electric cars. Most of our members are graduates of
electrical engineering but many have earned Ph.D.'s in Engineering.
Electric Engineering is so vast a discipline that our members have very
varied interests and specialties. During this week we try to pick a
topic that would attract most members.
For this year's (2004) National Engineers Week I was able to find an
engineer from a sister company, for which I work, to talk about fuel
cell driven automobiles. More than 100 members turned up. I expect a
bigger draw for the topic of hybrid cars.
The talk is for 45 minutes to an hour followed by Q & A for 15 minutes
or so. It will be preceded by dinner. We will be willing to pay
expenses plus a modest honorarium.
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Greetings,
Does anyone know of any other differentials like the Dana/Spicer H-12?
This is a differential where the motor is parallel to the axle. The H-12
is used in golf carts, but too small for the street.
Does anyone know how the drive wheel works on the Dorian or other
tri-wheel car? From the pictures the wheel looks to large to be from a
motor-cycle.
Thanks ahead off time.
John K
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I assume you're referring to the Doran three wheeler. It uses a Subaru
transaxle to drive the front wheels. I'm not sure what hub/spindle is
used for the rear wheel, but the swingarm is custom. (I believe it was
the second Doran three wheeler (dark green) that was built at Cal Poly
when I was there in the late 80's/early 90's. Rick Doran was an
instructor there at the time.)
hth,
Andrew
johnk wrote:
Greetings,
Does anyone know of any other differentials like the Dana/Spicer H-12?
This is a differential where the motor is parallel to the axle. The H-12
is used in golf carts, but too small for the street.
Does anyone know how the drive wheel works on the Dorian or other
tri-wheel car? From the pictures the wheel looks to large to be from a
motor-cycle.
Thanks ahead off time.
John K
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... If you started with bolt cutters that were comparable in quality to the
crimpers you're looking at, I suspect you wouldn't save much money -
especially if you add the value of your time in making them. That's why I
went with a hammer crimper...
If removing the cable from the car is not a problem, could you use a bench
vise to do the crimp? Seems like you could make a jig that fits in the jaws
without having to weld or cut them. It would certainly be slower, but easier
for someone without the welder or the bolt cutters. Just my two cents.
David C. Wilker Jr.
USAF (RET)
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From: "johnk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: EV Differentials and Drives
Greetings,
Does anyone know of any other differentials like the Dana/Spicer H-12?
This is a differential where the motor is parallel to the axle. The H-12
is used in golf carts, but too small for the street.
Does anyone know how the drive wheel works on the Dorian or other
tri-wheel car? From the pictures the wheel looks to large to be from a
motor-cycle.
Thanks ahead off time.
John K
Nearly all front wheel drive cars use transaxles with the motor parallel to
the axle. I'm curious what you plan to do with such a setup.
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A few years ago Geoff Shepherd posted a very clever response to someone who
suggested that powering a car with electricity made no sense. Geoff
proposed what might have happened if liquid fuel had found favor with the
cell phone set in much the same way that gasoline took over from electricity
for cars nearly a century ago.
People would argue that cell phones "should" be powered with toxic,
polluting liquid fuel requiring highly complex support systems and regular
maintenance, simply for the benefit of being able to go two weeks without
refueling. Who would want a phone you had to plug in every night? It's a
very convincing way to show the absurdity of arguing against plug-in EVs.
It may not be useful much longer. The gas-powered cell phone may actually
become a reality.
http://radio.weblogs.com/0105910/2004/10/19.html
Chris
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Ken quickly there are more problems than just the hype with Ecycle...
Where they go thier motors designed... how the controllers were intended to
work were all problematic.
There was a lack of solid enginnering support, and then a LOT of upset
customers....
They got the flash and smoke down, but they got there with a shakey
foundation. Now what they really need is solid product or we write them all
off as Scam artists.
What hurts is all ther promblems could have been solved with a couple of
phone calls to the right motor and controller folks....here on this list.
Thier drive was a BLDC drive, the motor in the Ecycle is the same kind as
the one in the Minibike from hell, and I have a marine drive that used the
proto type they cloned thier big motor from.
I have driven the marine motor out on Lake Mead, and the Minibike has been
seen in a number of places.
So... They needed a motor/controller Geek.
They kept biffing the controller. Then said it was too hard to make, and
took advanced designs.
There are atleast 6 of us here on this list, besides me....That consider
BLDC simple design work nowdays.
The 'could have beens' in this light EV world are what is ripping my heart
out. The Greed, before the hard work to make a real difference, just
tarnishes the whole buisness.
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From: "Ken Trough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: eCycle, was Re: Real or Memorex?
> >> (and while we're at it, let's get that hybrid
> >> bike from eCycle).
>
> > eCycle state straight-up that they got only enough funding to design
> > and prototype the hybrid motorcycle, but they didn't yet find the
> > additional money to put it into production.
> > It is a dream of theirs that had to be put on the back burner while
> > they work on the products, (such as electronically Commutated BLDC
> > Motor/Generators (CMG)), and on the customers/ orders, that will will
> > bring in the revenue short and medium term.
>
> I guess my problem with them is that they plaster such a beautiful
> electric motorcycle on the front of their website with endless promises
> about when it will hit production. First it was a BEV. Then it was a
> Hybrid. Either way the product was exciting as hell IF it worked.
>
> They should have either kept the motorcycle as an in-house prototype and
> not hyped it on their site, opting instead to show it to potential
> investors only. Their perpetual "coming next year" claims when they had
> NOTHING concrete to base those claims on is what I dislike about this
> company. That kind of hype builds tons of expectation in the public that
> remains unfulfilled to this day. Judging from the huge positive
> attention I saw at EVS20 for hot EV cycles, and expecially hybrid
> cycles, there is definitely funding out there. If ecycle can't find it,
> I suspect it is because of problems with their prototype.
>
> If the Hybrid worked as they claimed, this product would have a huge
> market. Why would they go to all the trouble to prototype (and hype it
> on their site) only to dismantle it? I strongly suspect they experienced
> some design problems that prevented the hybrid from operating as
> advertised/expected, and thus from getting the investment they need for
> production.
>
> I think it's great that they are building nice motors and controllers
> now, but I really wanted that bike and was hugely disappointed when it
> never materialized. They should change their URL to:
> http://noebikehere.com or http://emotorsonly.com
>
> -Ken Trough
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