EV Digest 4025
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: ACRX acceleration time (was: point of diminishing returns)
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Coilovers for Ghia's, bugs, was Batts in Ghia's,
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Fast Electric Cars
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: LED output
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: save the rangers
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Rush Limbaugh thinks EVs are Slow
by Felix Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Rush Limbaugh thinks EVs are Slow
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: EV Pusher Trailers?
by Felix Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Rush Limbaugh thinks EVs are Slow
by Felix Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: EV Pusher Trailers?
by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Wiring on underside - waterproofing?
by "Raymond Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: re Save the rangers, bike conversions
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: save the EV Rangers
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) 4x4 Ev's was EV Pusher Trailers?
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) ElectraVans
by James Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: EV Pusher Trailers?
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: EA Adapter plate reliab. & torque rotation ?s
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: EA Adapter plate reliab. & torque rotation ?s
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) RE:Help Field excitation
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
20) Re: EA Adapter plate reliab. & torque rotation ?s
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: EA Adapter plate reliab. & torque rotation ?s
by "Steve Clunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Victor wrote:
> >The voltage went from 325V to 245V at the end of >acceleration.
> >The pack was -8.6Ah from 100% SOC at the time of the test, >but
> >most of the current comes from ultracaps, so this didn't >matter much.
> >Also, I should have changed 150A battery curent limit - it may >have
> >pegged there too, I didn't check. I could almost double it >(280A).
You have about 52hp on tap. Likely a very flat power band though. It would
be interesting to compare this to a DC EV of a similar weight with a
comparable controller (Otmar makes a nice controller where the battery amps
can be set lower than motor amps creating a flat power band range.)
I'm not sure my EV Buggy could pull a low 12 second 0-60mph blast. It has
48hp and weighs only 1420lbs, but it has a motor amp limited controller and
so has a flat torque band and a pointed power curve.Oh, it has areo
qualities that get in the way over about 35mph too.
Neon
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Jerry wrote:
> And which Coilovers did you use?
> Cost? and where did you get them? I need some
> badly.
> Have you put weight on them to see what the ride
> height will be?
> I'm using 360 lbs of batts now and want to put in
> 420 lbs of batts in my front and raise it a couple of
> inches with coilovers but the coils I have now don't
> help that much and it's dragging.
> The towers are not that strong either it seems.
> Hot EV!! Can't wait until you get it going. Got to
> be killer fast!
How much does the front of your EV weigh? The stock VW front suspension is
designed for the correct ride hight at about 750lbs. If you just need to be
higher (the spring rate is acceptable) then you can cut and turn the center
of the beams. This should be done by a qualified welder and one beam at a
time. My Buggy has the beam cut and turned 1/4 inch to lower my buggy (only
605lbs on the front.) The process can be done to either raise of lower a
Beetle front beam, but should be done equally to both beams (otherwise you
can trash the bearings in the beam.) A qualified welder should be willing to
do this for about $150 (local area price.) You have to take the front
suspension off and take it down to the beam (the bearings can remain
inside.)
Neon
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You can buy an electric car that does 0 to 60 in 3.8 seconds and has
300 miles range at freeway speeds! http://www.acpropulsion.com
An electric dragster has done the 1/4 mile in the 8's, a motorcycle
in the 9's and 150 mph, and street legal cars in the 12's and 13's!
That beats Corvettes and Vipers and I bet any car you own!
http://www.nedra.com
An electric salt flats racer has gone 315 miles per hour! I'll bet
that beats any car you own!
<http://www.newarkadvocate.com/news/stories/20041021/localnews/1454231.html>
Yes, I'm building an electric car to feel good -- feel good about
showing gasoline cars my tail lights! I'll have Corvette speed at 1/3
the price.
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Hi all
Oatley electronics (here in Australia) has just advised via their
email/mailout of some new products. One of them is as follows:
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Just another datapoint on the white-Led continuum.
James
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I am having a somewhat opposite problem as John is. Everywhere I go
while trying to scroung parts for EV or pick up tools and stuff people
are so interested that I find myself with a list of people that want to
see it when I get it done. I won't be able to do it on one charge now. LOL
Work is definitely gonna be the last converts, but I hope it will be a
simple matter of illustrating how much money I spent on power and
batteries vs gasoline.and oil changes. Since I am the one that helps 1/2
the people with there car problems, i can just point out how I just got
tired of spending 1/2 my life under the hood. As these people's cars are
now hitting over 100k and some as high as 200K many are rebuilding
engine tranny or buying new cars. Lots of examples from their camp as well.
When I point out how many KW of electric I make solar this summer vs how
much I use in the car, that will really get them.
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I live in Wisconsin and I am a forklift driver in a grocery warehouse
and I drive electric forklifts every day I work. My preference is
number 26 (that is not important, it isn't any thing other than the
assigned number to identify which one it is). A forklift is a
vehicle, so I am an EV driver. Working in a closed environment I
would much rather have an electric forklift rather than a propane or
diesel. And that is pretty much what everyone working in every
warehouse would say. So . . . according to the ignorant bigot rush
limpdick everyone working in warehouses earning a living driving
electric forklifts are a bunch of kooks who want to take a
technological step backwards. rush should shut his stupid loud
obnoxious blabbering flabby ass about EV.
I hate that stupid rush limpdick, but I hate myself even more. I
shamefully admit that, about four years or so ago I used to listen to
his silly radio broadcast, I would never miss it, and that ridiculous
dr. laura. I was such a PHULE! I should have been studying EV.
AGHHHHHK!!!! My hands are in the air and I am screaming about this
counter intuitive nonsense, "WHAT CAN I DO? WHAT CAN I DO? WHAT CAN I
DO?!!!!!!" This is absolute madness. There are so many people that
listen to that ignorant bigot who think he is educated, and then they
take his word as gold. His snide remarks about EV is a very
substantial blow to public understanding of EV technology and appeal.
It took a while for me to get over it but I had the same idea about EV
performance (not the concept of EV, I actually thought that the
technology was being throughly researched and would be developed, but
now I find out it is all being thrown out for ridiculous complicated
hybrids and fool cells), but now I know that way of thinking is
absolute nonsense. I didn't even know about CRAB, or the "recycling"
of EV-1 until this month.
EV technology needs popularity. I've been spreading the word about EV
here in Wisconsin. Are there any EV lobbyist groups? If so they need
more backing, and if not there need to be?
Thanks for keeping us posted David.
Felix
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Here is an idea- Fellow EV'ers let's gather a Group
of EVERYONE EV and hire a Lawyer for a class Action
Slander law suit again Linbaugh and the Sponser of his
show. If we are united in this it will Show 2 things.
1) They are not Slow and used the Nedra Races to
confirm this as evidence. And we are not KOOKS and
really do desperately want to drive EV's for the fun
and reduced cost of it all.
This will have 2 big impacts. 1) It will be a news
worthy event of EV'ers against corperate America. 2)
If the slander suit is big enough we put that loud
mouth out of business for good.
Hey, Maybe we should do this to Ford and GM as well
for crushing our hopes? Just dreaming. I'll get off my
soap box now.
While I am not an EV driver yet I am working on it by
learning from this list and making plans. As I can't
afford a new car at this point, I cannot afford to
convert either. However those plans are on the verge
of a change and I hope to be an EV'er within the Next
Year. Thanks for all the information and
encouragement those who do drive and have built their
EV's already. Keep the information coming. Thanks.
--- Felix Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I live in Wisconsin and I am a forklift driver in a
> grocery warehouse
> and I drive electric forklifts every day I work. My
> preference is
> number 26 (that is not important, it isn't any thing
> other than the
> assigned number to identify which one it is). A
> forklift is a
> vehicle, so I am an EV driver. Working in a closed
> environment I
> would much rather have an electric forklift rather
> than a propane or
> diesel. And that is pretty much what everyone
> working in every
> warehouse would say. So . . . according to the
> ignorant bigot rush
> limpdick everyone working in warehouses earning a
> living driving
> electric forklifts are a bunch of kooks who want to
> take a
> technological step backwards. rush should shut his
> stupid loud
> obnoxious blabbering flabby ass about EV.
>
> I hate that stupid rush limpdick, but I hate myself
> even more. I
> shamefully admit that, about four years or so ago I
> used to listen to
> his silly radio broadcast, I would never miss it,
> and that ridiculous
> dr. laura. I was such a PHULE! I should have been
> studying EV.
>
> AGHHHHHK!!!! My hands are in the air and I am
> screaming about this
> counter intuitive nonsense, "WHAT CAN I DO? WHAT CAN
> I DO? WHAT CAN I
> DO?!!!!!!" This is absolute madness. There are so
> many people that
> listen to that ignorant bigot who think he is
> educated, and then they
> take his word as gold. His snide remarks about EV
> is a very
> substantial blow to public understanding of EV
> technology and appeal.
> It took a while for me to get over it but I had the
> same idea about EV
> performance (not the concept of EV, I actually
> thought that the
> technology was being throughly researched and would
> be developed, but
> now I find out it is all being thrown out for
> ridiculous complicated
> hybrids and fool cells), but now I know that way of
> thinking is
> absolute nonsense. I didn't even know about CRAB,
> or the "recycling"
> of EV-1 until this month.
>
> EV technology needs popularity. I've been spreading
> the word about EV
> here in Wisconsin. Are there any EV lobbyist
> groups? If so they need
> more backing, and if not there need to be?
>
> Thanks for keeping us posted David.
>
> Felix
>
>
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Steve Clunn, or any one,
I have a 20 mile commute to work one way, I drive on the highway at
about 60 to 75 miles an hour, what rating of a motor and how large of
a battery pack would it take to move a 6030 lbs 4x4 vehicle that far
and still get me home?
A pusher trailer vs a generator trailer, which would have more success
in assisting a small EV conversion car travel 250 miles, 60 to 75 mph?
What weather conditions can an EV tolerate? Winter weather is rough
on vehicles in Wisconsin. Lots of salt and sand on the roads, 25
degrees below zero, ice rain sleet snow slush, and muddy. Can an EV
be built to withstand dust, sand, dirt, mud, water? What about
fording?
I am planning on attempting two conversions this summer. One light
speedy long range transport (for my beautiful mate Nikki) and one
heavy durable vehicle for winter time and recreational use (mostly for
me). I want to experience the challenges of different weight classes
and different vehicle uses and demands. I might do three conversions,
my buddy has a little Honda that he would like to upgrade.
Most of the conversions I am finding are of small to medium light
vehicles designed for speed. I have seen a tractor conversion,
totally blew me away amazing. Lawn tractors, dragstors, but no large
trucks, not even medium trucks with 4x4. I am thinking that I will
first start with a small speedy road cutter. Then a S-10 or Ranger
with 4x4.
Here in Wisconsin everyone drives trucks, if people could see a
successful 4x4 conversion that could tolerate all the conditions of an
ICE 4x4, I'm sure people would stand up and notice.
Well, I sort of strayed away from the pusher trailer topic, but what
about a pickup with a generator in the bed? Aghh, then it would just
be another stupid hybrid, however less complicated as the generator
could be removed when not needed.
Felix
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> Here is an idea- Fellow EV'ers let's gather a Group
> of EVERYONE EV and hire a Lawyer for a class Action
> Slander law suit again Linbaugh and the Sponser of his
> show. If we are united in this it will Show 2 things.
> 1) They are not Slow and used the Nedra Races to
> confirm this as evidence. And we are not KOOKS and
> really do desperately want to drive EV's for the fun
> and reduced cost of it all.
> This will have 2 big impacts. 1) It will be a news
> worthy event of EV'ers against corperate America. 2)
> If the slander suit is big enough we put that loud
> mouth out of business for good.
If someone has the cohanazs and enough understanding of how things
work in the world of politics and law to start something like this,
I'm in. I'll surrender my assistance, without hesitation.
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Felix wrote:
I have a 20 mile commute to work one way, I drive on the highway at
about 60 to 75 miles an hour, what rating of a motor and how large of
a battery pack would it take to move a 6030 lbs 4x4 vehicle that far
and still get me home?
As a comparison, we have a Fiero conversion in our local club, 108 Volts of
golf car batteries, 9" GE motor. He covers a bit more than that, I think
about 25 miles, but he drops it to about 60 mph and charges at work. The
car is just loafing along and the batteries are only about half discharged
on arrival at work. We formerly had another member with a 914 conversion
that commuted 46 miles each way at about 60 mph. 120 Volts of golf cart
batteries, 9" Advanced DC. He also charged at work. Basically, what your
asking for isn't too big a problem, in a lighter more aerodynamic vehicle.
A pusher trailer vs a generator trailer, which would have more success
in assisting a small EV conversion car travel 250 miles, 60 to 75 mph?
Either can do it, but I would lean to the pusher solution. That takes the
strain off all the EV components and uses the ICE engine at it most
efficient. Range wise, a pusher is only limited by the fuel on board,
while a generator trailer range will depend on the generator size. A large
generator that can supply 100% of the cruise power would only be limited by
the fuel on board. A smaller generator would demand some of the power be
supplied by the batteries, and thus would have more limited range.
What weather conditions can an EV tolerate? Winter weather is rough
on vehicles in Wisconsin. Lots of salt and sand on the roads, 25
degrees below zero, ice rain sleet snow slush, and muddy. Can an EV
be built to withstand dust, sand, dirt, mud, water? What about
fording?
An EV can be built to handle anything, but can it do that and still be
affordable and efficient? It is really up to the builder to select his
priorities. Consider when it comes down to it, EVs have gone where no ICE
has gone. Both the Lunar Rovers and the Mars Rovers are really EVs. Wild
EVolutions (now EVParts.com) did a Land Rover conversion that successfully
the took on the Moab. There is some info on the web at:
http://www.evparts.com/about/roverFaceOffPhotos.html
It can be done!
I am planning on attempting two conversions this summer. One light
speedy long range transport (for my beautiful mate Nikki) and one
heavy durable vehicle for winter time and recreational use (mostly for
me). I want to experience the challenges of different weight classes
and different vehicle uses and demands. I might do three conversions,
my buddy has a little Honda that he would like to upgrade.
Ambitious!
Most of the conversions I am finding are of small to medium light
vehicles designed for speed. I have seen a tractor conversion,
totally blew me away amazing. Lawn tractors, dragstors, but no large
trucks, not even medium trucks with 4x4. I am thinking that I will
first start with a small speedy road cutter. Then a S-10 or Ranger
with 4x4.
I know of only a few 4X4 conversions in the EV Album, you can find a few at:
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/060.html (S-10)
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/045.html (Land Rover)
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/394.html (Ranger)
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/555.html (Tercell Wagon)
Well, I sort of strayed away from the pusher trailer topic, but what
about a pickup with a generator in the bed? Aghh, then it would just
be another stupid hybrid, however less complicated as the generator
could be removed when not needed.
We've got two of these as well:
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/122.html (S-10)
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/493.html (Skoda)
Thanks,
Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
'95 Solectria Force
Kansas City, Missouri
EV List Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com
My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda
Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org
Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html
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Use quick Cables Magna Tube Heat Shrink. If installed properly, i.e. heat
gun instead of a torch, it will have better insulating properties than
likely the insulating jacket of the wire. It is almost as thick as garden
hose, comes with lots of sealant inside, UL approved, etc., etc., etc.
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Hi Jeff, I ride a motorcycle, and originally it was my first choice prior
to looking into it in the early 70's. My two cylinder motorcycles (Harley,
Honda, Kawasaki) have always gotten 60mpg and the best I could figure from
riding some and talking to motorcycle converters is 10 miles per charge on
the freeway. Adding 200+ pounds of batteries bulked out the side to get more
range above 10mpc causes unsafe handling on a bike. I need at least 30mpc
so that is why I went down the 4-wheel conversion path. After owning a 8
batt cheese wedge (commuta car) for 10 years, an 14 batt Electro-Metro for
10 years and now a 20 batt Geo Tracker, I think the best is a minimal
battery Kewet type cheese wedge vehicle that has good handling/brakes
(unlike the crappy Citi-Car/ Commuta-Car). I'm switching to ni-cads on the
Tracker so that would help with the annual pain-in-the-butt battery changed
<10k miles. I drive an average of 300 miles per week, (not a token EV for
parades) so I look for the best cost-per-mile batteries. I always thought a
truck was a bad idea because it destroys the use of a truck, but after
changing batteries over thirty years, backing up and hitting the brakes for
annual battery replacement is appealing. when I had the 8-battery vehicle,
changing the batteries annually or less wasn't that big of a deal.
Mark in Roanoke, VA
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From: "Jeff Shanab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EVlist" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 8:33 PM
Subject: re Save the rangers
> I personally am not a motorcycle person, but it seams that a motor cycle
> is a great way to get into EV's at a much reduced buy-in.
>
>
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Hi John/Justin, I think it was Thomas Jefferson who said, "The electorate is
basically stupid". I don't think you'll get the majority of folk's to
switch to EV's, I do what I know is best and stop worrying about the
dunderheads. It's like beating your head against a brick wall, it feels so
good when you stop. Mark www.solectrol.com
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From: "Justin Van Deusen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: save the EV Rangers
> No worries John, I get the same thing at work when I talk about my EV
> conversion. We understand what you are going through. Just remember you
> are one of the few people who are doing something about the problem
> instead of contributing to it. One question, has any of them actually
> driven an EV? That could change a few minds....
>
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:18 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected]
> Subject: RE: save the EV Rangers
>
>
> I know I shouldn't but I can't help it. I'm pissed off and
> dejected too when it comes to telling anyone about my EV, biodiesel,
> renewable energy, etc. When I mention I have an EV, the somewhat
> informed people respond with "An Insight or a Prius?" Then I explain to
> the that those aren't EV, they're just efficient gas powered cars. Then
> I explain the EV and half the people look at me like I'm crazy to invest
> so much money/effort/time when the same people wouldn't think twice
> about someone who modifies their ICE to go faster and get LESS mileage
> and the other half usually respond with "How do you drive really far?"
> That's when I ask them how much they drive every day, which is usually
> within the range of an EV, and I tell them I have a 13 mile round trip
> commute and the grocery store is 2 miles away and I have an ICE car for
> long trips, more than half of my driving. Incredibly some people have
> actually taken offense at EVs, as though they are un-American. Then,
> finally, many of the nicer people wind up the conversation with, "Well
> that's a really good thing to do," which can be interpreted as "That's a
> really good thing for YOU to do, I'd never do anything like that." It's
> the wrong thing to do, but lately my attitude has been "Why waste my
> time." Part of the problem is the people I work with. I work with mostly
> good-old-boys who believe trucks and SUVs are the most patriotic vehicle
> you can drive and see no connection between deployments to the Middle
> East and their vehicles.
> A really smart friend of mine, who would have an EV if he had
> any car at all, explained to me that for someone to accept the idea of
> EVs, the have to change too much in their lives; mentally, fiscally,
> etc. They have to accept that the greenhouse effect is real (many still
> don't even thought the oil companies admit it is), they have to accept
> that our future security depends on an independent source of energy,
> that we don't really care about democracy in the Middle East, that they
> don't have to worry about what the Joneses think, that their 2nd car CAN
> be a battery powered car instead of a trophy ICE, that SUVs are not
> safer in an accident, etc., etc. And then they are finally ready to sell
> the Expedition and buy a converted car or convert their own. If there
> are any hard sci-fi fans out there you might have heard of this guy.
> Stephen Baxter wrote a book where an extraordinary event happened and a
> giant object appeared in the sky. People who saw couldn't look at it for
> extended periods of time not because it was too bright but because their
> human brains couldn't handle such a strange anomaly. They would have to
> physically look away from it. That's how I perceive a lot of people
> react to EVs. The idea is so radically different and goes against what
> they have been taught and believe and have learned that they need to
> make arguments against them or make a deflecting joke about 50 mile
> extension cords. Not only are they mistaken in much of what they believe
> and know, they don't want to be corrected.
> I'm sorry to vent.
>
> John Shelton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Jarrett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 07:00 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: save the EV Rangers
>
>
>
>
> Felix Gardner wrote:
> > First it was the EV1 and now the Ranger. I didn't even know about
> > what happened to the EV1 until two days ago. This makes me so angry!
> > I don't even drive an EV, but it is just so . . . . AHGHAAAA!!!
>
> *SNIP*
>
> And therein lies the problem. Your'e interested in EVs (else you would
> not be here) and *you* had not heard about what happened to the EV1
> until recently.
>
> The vast majority of the population has no clue either, in fact, when I
> try to tell people what happened to the EV1 *THEY DON'T BELIEVE ME*.
> Even my friends seem to think I'm some left wing conspiracy theorist.
>
> It's only after the fact when I tell them to look it up for themselves
> that they start to believe me.
>
> The auto companies have plenty of money for ads saying what they want
> and to sweep what they don't under the carpet. And that's a shame.
> Most people that have even heard of the EV1 believe it was a failed
> experiment because it didn't work or people didn't want it.
>
> Don't even get me started on fool cells...
>
>
> *SIGH* Sorry to vent, just generally pi**ed at the world right now. I
>
> have no EV, there likely isn't one in my very near future, and the
> powers that be like it that way.
>
> James
>
>
>
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Hi Felix and All,
Glad to hear you've come in from the dark
side. Rush was a liberal until he found that he could
make the big bucks off 'conservaties' because many are
so easily fooled, blindly following him. Luckily for
you, you were not one of them.
Too bad he didn't take his own advice about
drug addicts and and round himself up and kill himself
as he said should be done to them.
--- Felix Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steve Clunn, or any one,
>
> I have a 20 mile commute to work one way, I drive on
> the highway at
> about 60 to 75 miles an hour, what rating of a
> motor and how large of
> a battery pack would it take to move a 6030 lbs 4x4
> vehicle that far
> and still get me home?
Not going to be worth it though it's been done.
But if you consider the task instead of what you do
that task with, then you can have a good EV to do what
you want.
A good starting point would be A small 4x4 like a
Susuki, older Blazer, ect that doesn't weigh so much
as costs are directly related to weight.
Even better would be an older Subaru 2 or 4x4 car
or Outback type for lower weight and aero drag.
For work in the snow, ec,t a front wheel drive
would do the job at lower costs, weight. Some 4x4
conversions replace their rear axles with trailing ,
non driven axles to cut weight, drag thus costs.
>
> A pusher trailer vs a generator trailer, which would
> have more success
> in assisting a small EV conversion car travel 250
> miles, 60 to 75 mph?
A small gen built into the EV would be better,
about 4kw/1,000lbs. It could be hidden in a rear 1/4
panel.
>
> What weather conditions can an EV tolerate? Winter
> weather is rough
> on vehicles in Wisconsin. Lots of salt and sand on
> the roads, 25
> degrees below zero, ice rain sleet snow slush, and
> muddy. Can an EV
> be built to withstand dust, sand, dirt, mud, water?
As well as any other vehicle if designed right.
> What about
> fording?
If designed for it.
>
>
> I am planning on attempting two conversions this
> summer. One light
> speedy long range transport (for my beautiful mate
> Nikki) and one
Ghia's, MR2 work well for that. Can be fast too.
Both with the weight on the drive wheels would be good
in the snow.
> heavy durable vehicle for winter time and
> recreational use (mostly for
> me). I want to experience the challenges of
> different weight classes
> and different vehicle uses and demands. I might do
> three conversions,
> my buddy has a little Honda that he would like to
> upgrade.
Check the EV Photo Album for guidance. Many
choices there.
>
> Most of the conversions I am finding are of small to
> medium light
That's because they have less drag, thus cheaper,
better preforming as an EV.
> vehicles designed for speed. I have seen a tractor
> conversion,
> totally blew me away amazing. Lawn tractors,
It's hard to beat an EV tractor in pulling
contests, even stock Electro-traks against hopped up
ICE versions.
> dragstors, but no large
> trucks, not even medium trucks with 4x4. I am
> thinking that I will
> first start with a small speedy road cutter. Then a
A good idea. Buying a used one can be a nice first
step and save work while you learn Ev's. Many times
you can sell it for what you pay for it once you learn
more about EV's and want to upgrade.
> S-10 or Ranger
> with 4x4.
S-10's hold batts better and easier to convert.
Kits are available for several sources.
>
> Here in Wisconsin everyone drives trucks, if people
> could see a
> successful 4x4 conversion that could tolerate all
> the conditions of an
> ICE 4x4, I'm sure people would stand up and notice.
>
> Well, I sort of strayed away from the pusher trailer
> topic, but what
> about a pickup with a generator in the bed? Aghh,
> then it would just
> be another stupid hybrid, however less complicated
> as the generator
> could be removed when not needed.
A good idea in some cases.
HTH's,
jerry dycus
>
> Felix
>
>
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Well folks, You have heard me talk about these sight-unseen for a couple
of weeks, now I see them and I'm not impressed.
The owner has given me permission to share the pictures with all:
http://www.walmart.com/agt/bounce.gsp?ID=7F6497D1225312491328CC62273703EAE330&sharee=jarrett%40ccds.charlotte.nc.us
(From the wal-mart photo center).
They are MUCH rougher than I had HOPED they were. True, there is very
little/no Rust. They MAY only be dusty. But I'm not sure I'm interested.
Any input would be appreciated it. Anyone who would like to talk to the
owner directly, I have his information and his permission to give it out
on a per-request basis.
Comments?
James
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Yes, you can drive a EV in all types of weather. Right now it is 35 degrees
below zero, and I about to drive to a Caf�.
About 30 minutes before I leave, the EV preheat the inside cab to over 80
degrees by using a onboard transfer switch, that transfer from onboard
inverter to outside commercial power.
All the electrical on this EV is totally enclosed and double insulation.
All these components stay at or above 65 degrees.
The motor bay, has neopreme rubber sheeting covering any out side openings.
All wiring and cables are kept inside that goes thru a ductway from front to
rear in a custom made center console.
Roland
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From: "Mike Chancey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: EV Pusher Trailers?
> Felix wrote:
>
> >I have a 20 mile commute to work one way, I drive on the highway at
> >about 60 to 75 miles an hour, what rating of a motor and how large of
> >a battery pack would it take to move a 6030 lbs 4x4 vehicle that far
> >and still get me home?
>
> As a comparison, we have a Fiero conversion in our local club, 108 Volts
> of
> golf car batteries, 9" GE motor. He covers a bit more than that, I think
> about 25 miles, but he drops it to about 60 mph and charges at work. The
> car is just loafing along and the batteries are only about half discharged
> on arrival at work. We formerly had another member with a 914 conversion
> that commuted 46 miles each way at about 60 mph. 120 Volts of golf cart
> batteries, 9" Advanced DC. He also charged at work. Basically, what your
> asking for isn't too big a problem, in a lighter more aerodynamic vehicle.
>
> >A pusher trailer vs a generator trailer, which would have more success
> >in assisting a small EV conversion car travel 250 miles, 60 to 75 mph?
>
> Either can do it, but I would lean to the pusher solution. That takes the
> strain off all the EV components and uses the ICE engine at it most
> efficient. Range wise, a pusher is only limited by the fuel on board,
> while a generator trailer range will depend on the generator size. A
> large
> generator that can supply 100% of the cruise power would only be limited
> by
> the fuel on board. A smaller generator would demand some of the power be
> supplied by the batteries, and thus would have more limited range.
>
> >What weather conditions can an EV tolerate? Winter weather is rough
> >on vehicles in Wisconsin. Lots of salt and sand on the roads, 25
> >degrees below zero, ice rain sleet snow slush, and muddy. Can an EV
> >be built to withstand dust, sand, dirt, mud, water? What about
> >fording?
>
> An EV can be built to handle anything, but can it do that and still be
> affordable and efficient? It is really up to the builder to select his
> priorities. Consider when it comes down to it, EVs have gone where no ICE
> has gone. Both the Lunar Rovers and the Mars Rovers are really EVs. Wild
> EVolutions (now EVParts.com) did a Land Rover conversion that successfully
> the took on the Moab. There is some info on the web at:
>
> http://www.evparts.com/about/roverFaceOffPhotos.html
>
> It can be done!
>
>
> >I am planning on attempting two conversions this summer. One light
> >speedy long range transport (for my beautiful mate Nikki) and one
> >heavy durable vehicle for winter time and recreational use (mostly for
> >me). I want to experience the challenges of different weight classes
> >and different vehicle uses and demands. I might do three conversions,
> >my buddy has a little Honda that he would like to upgrade.
>
>
> Ambitious!
>
>
> >Most of the conversions I am finding are of small to medium light
> >vehicles designed for speed. I have seen a tractor conversion,
> >totally blew me away amazing. Lawn tractors, dragstors, but no large
> >trucks, not even medium trucks with 4x4. I am thinking that I will
> >first start with a small speedy road cutter. Then a S-10 or Ranger
> >with 4x4.
>
> I know of only a few 4X4 conversions in the EV Album, you can find a few
> at:
>
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/060.html (S-10)
>
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/045.html (Land Rover)
>
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/394.html (Ranger)
>
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/555.html (Tercell Wagon)
>
> >Well, I sort of strayed away from the pusher trailer topic, but what
> >about a pickup with a generator in the bed? Aghh, then it would just
> >be another stupid hybrid, however less complicated as the generator
> >could be removed when not needed.
>
> We've got two of these as well:
>
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/122.html (S-10)
>
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/493.html (Skoda)
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> Mike Chancey,
> '88 Civic EV
> '95 Solectria Force
> Kansas City, Missouri
> EV List Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com
> My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda
> Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org
> Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html
>
>
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Thanks, this is helpful. Unfortunately, the sound is
not present until under significant RPMs, or high
load. These conditions are not met when on a 12V run.
Otherwise we'd have noticed the problem before
installing in the vehicle...
(;-p
--- Steve Clunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > I would consider this last resort, but better than
> throwing away the
> > adapter. An SCCA publication recommended doing
> this, and Steve Clunn
> > does something similar on his videos
> (http://www.grassrootsev.com).
> > Drill out the tranny bolt and pin holes oversize.
>
> You don't even need to drill the holes bigger just
> use smaller bolts and
> remove the pins for the test. Run the motor first
> with the set up you have
> so you know how it sounds. Have the motor sitting
> with tail shaft pointing
> toward the ground and tranny sitting on top , I
> start off with 12v and then
> 24v. You do the tapping while the motor is running
> so you can hear the
> difference. You may also have to release the clutch
> a few time to get it
> centered.
>
>
>
>
> Bolt the motor and
> > tranny together tight enough it doesn't slip, but
> loose enough a
> > mallet can budge them. Run the motor, tap the
> tranny, and keep doing
> > the clutch until the noise is minimized. Then
> tighten the bolts all
> > the way. Optionally, you could drill and drive in
> new locating pins
> > if you wanted to make the fit repeatable.
> >
>
>
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> Something else you could try, if you are going to
> take the adapter out
> anyway, is to take it to EA and have them check it
> for symetry and proper
> sizing?
Flywheel was machined down. Should be good...
it would be doubly
> painful to hear you
> > bought another adapter and still had the problem.
Agreed!
> >
> > First, are you sure that it is the adapters fault?
> Presumably
> > everything is smooth with the clutch in (so
> flywheel is OK).
Is it
> > smooth with the clutch out and in neutral?
Serious RPMs yield no noise in neutral.
Does it
> only make the
> > noise in gear under load? Does every gear make the
> noise?
> >
> > You might have bearings that have gone bad in the
> tranny -- have you
> > been able to rule that out?
Agreed. Am hoping diagnose via a tranny expert
matching the when/how it makes noise.
> >
THANKS!
> > --- Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hey all,
> >> I'm currently hot on the trail to solve the
> final
> >> issue on CivicWithACord: a tranny-adapter plate
> issue
> >> that kind of chatters/roars when over 25 mph, or
> under
> >> heavy load.
> >> As you may have heard, I believe it is an
> issue
> >> that occured because my fabricator was off a few
> >> thousandths. EA swears they have developed
> patterns.
> >> Sooo, I'm out $900 for the existing adapter, and
> $750
> >> for the new one, but I _will_ have a properly
> quiet
> >> EV!
> >> My question:
> >> Anyone out there purchased EA? Do they use
> solid
> >> dowel pins? Bolts only secure one so far... I
> do
> >> have a motor mount on the casing end of the
> motor, but
> >> still want to have as little torque rotation as
> >> possible. In my mind, dowel pins keep the motor
> in
> >> line with the tranny, and put the force on the
> tranny
> >> mounts.
> >
> >
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I have a need to build a simple field regulator to supply up to 48 volts to
the slip rings on the 3ph.generator I use to charge the current
eliminator.There are 240 and 120 v single ph and 240 3ph.The circuit seems to
take less than
2 amps.15 volts no load 48 volts full load.
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> This is the first we have heard of this problem. We
> always recommend that
> when customers (ours or anyone elses) have a
> problem, they should talk to
> their supplier FIRST to get help solving it. Am I
> understanding correctly
> that this adaptor was built by someone else? Have
> you talked with your
> fabricator about the issue?
Yes; he had made a profile plate first, which I said
was a "way tight fit", then built the adapter plate
off of that. We'd tried to avoid pulling the tranny;
he'd done a Civic just fine before. Unfortunately,
his notes from that effort were lost in a move.
He is not responding to my concerns. I have
offered to pay for his time, since I was the one who
didn't send the tranny initially.
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From: "Bob Bath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: EA Adapter plate reliab. & torque rotation ?s
> Thanks, this is helpful. Unfortunately, the sound is
> not present until under significant RPMs, or high
> load.
I'm wondering if it might be the tranny ,
> These conditions are not met when on a 12V run.
24v will spin a 8 or 9 pritty fast without a load .
> Otherwise we'd have noticed the problem before
> installing in the vehicle...
This is not somthing thats going to take a lot of work once you have the
motor out. replace one bolt at a time with the smaller bolts and tighten ,
so its in the same place , then run up to a good speed , adding batteries
one at a time , Don't over speed your motor !!! 36v is fast and will need
the tranny drag to slow it down.
> (;-p
> --- Steve Clunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I would consider this last resort, but better than
> > throwing away the
> > > adapter. An SCCA publication recommended doing
> > this, and Steve Clunn
> > > does something similar on his videos
> > (http://www.grassrootsev.com).
> > > Drill out the tranny bolt and pin holes oversize.
> >
> > You don't even need to drill the holes bigger just
> > use smaller bolts and
> > remove the pins for the test. Run the motor first
> > with the set up you have
> > so you know how it sounds. Have the motor sitting
> > with tail shaft pointing
> > toward the ground and tranny sitting on top , I
> > start off with 12v and then
> > 24v. You do the tapping while the motor is running
> > so you can hear the
> > difference. You may also have to release the clutch
> > a few time to get it
> > centered.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolt the motor and
> > > tranny together tight enough it doesn't slip, but
> > loose enough a
> > > mallet can budge them. Run the motor, tap the
> > tranny, and keep doing
> > > the clutch until the noise is minimized. Then
> > tighten the bolts all
> > > the way. Optionally, you could drill and drive in
> > new locating pins
> > > if you wanted to make the fit repeatable.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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