EV Digest 4180
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Tires again
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) That's the Spirit
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Tires again
by Otmar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Progress on 300VZX
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Tires again
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: ProEV wins first Autocross of 2005
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: ProEV wins first Autocross of 2005
by Otmar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Tires again
by "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) RE: Progress on 300VZX
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Tires again
by "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Tires again
by Otmar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: BB-600 Nicad Cells: SoCal
by "Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Tires again
by Nick Viera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Tires again
by Derrick J Brashear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: A Political party that is Pro-EV & Pro-Environment. It is called: WE
THE PEOPLE PARTY
by Ivan Workman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) She's Alive! - the New Beetle works!
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Any new EV cars for sale?
by "George S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Heating an EV
by Lawrence Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: A Political party that is Pro-EV & Pro-Environment. It is called: WE
THE PEOPLE PARTY
by Lawrence Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Personal introduction
by Lawrence Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Tires again
by Nick Viera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) RE: Heating an EV
by "Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: A Political party that is Pro-EV & Pro-Environment. It is called: WE
THE PEOPLE PARTY
by Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: A Political party that is Pro-EV & Pro-Environment. It is called: WE
THE PEOPLE PARTY
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Tires again
by "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Tires again
by Otmar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) RoboMower
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: RoboMower
by Derrick J Brashear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) RE: Personal introduction
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Retail Value of 2001 Gem Utility?
by "J Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
31) Motor Break in
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
32) Re: Post disaster
by "Gabriel Alarcon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hello to All,
Nick Viera wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm ready to buy new tires for my Jeep, as the one's I have now are
> rated 1874 lbs. @ 35 PSI and always look under inflated even though I
> have them at ~37 PSI.
>
> I'm considering Pirelli Scorpion STR A tires.
> The reason why I'm thinking of using these is because they have a max
> rating of 2094 lbs. @ 50 PSI.
Dick Finley wisely chose high pressure, 50 psi, 8 ply, 185/70/14 truck-rated
radial tires for use on Red Beastie, an import brand called, if I
remember correctly, 'Hancook'. They also make them in the 185/70/15 size. These
can carry close to 2000 lbs. per tire, and due to their 50 psi
inflation and skinny 185 cross section width, they are as close to a LRR type
as you'll get for a heavy electric truck-like vehicle. One of the
secrets to Red Beastie's super long range per charge, besides the obvious 2500
lb. battery pack, was these tires that safely supported the
vehicle's 5300 lb. weight, and, allowed it to easily roll down the road absent
the drag of softly inflated (30-35 psi) fatter pickup or SUV type
tires usually found on Jeep Cherokees.
I was very pleased with these tires, as the heavy Beastie rolled easily and
used just 125 amps at 125 volts...the 120V nominal pack hovered at
about this level while under this kind of load. After 30,000+ miles, the tread
still looked as new, with hardly any noticeable wear at all...very
impressive!
See Ya....John Wayland
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I took a flight on SouthWest this weekend and opened their in-flight
magazine, Spirit, to find an article about NEDRA, with lots of quotes from
Roderick Wilde and Bill Dube. Good stuff. Way to go, guys.
Bill Dennis
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Hello to All,
Nick Viera wrote:
Hi,
I'm ready to buy new tires for my Jeep, as the one's I have now are
rated 1874 lbs. @ 35 PSI and always look under inflated even though I
have them at ~37 PSI.
I'm considering Pirelli Scorpion STR A tires.
The reason why I'm thinking of using these is because they have a max
rating of 2094 lbs. @ 50 PSI.
Dick Finley wisely chose high pressure, 50 psi, 8 ply, 185/70/14
truck-rated radial tires for use on Red Beastie, an import brand
called, if I
remember correctly, 'Hancook'. They also make them in the 185/70/15
size. These can carry close to 2000 lbs. per tire, and due to their
50 psi
inflation and skinny 185 cross section width, they are as close to a
LRR type as you'll get for a heavy electric truck-like vehicle. One
of the
secrets to Red Beastie's super long range per charge, besides the
obvious 2500 lb. battery pack, was these tires that safely supported
the
vehicle's 5300 lb. weight, and, allowed it to easily roll down the
road absent the drag of softly inflated (30-35 psi) fatter pickup or
SUV type
tires usually found on Jeep Cherokees.
I was very pleased with these tires, as the heavy Beastie rolled
easily and used just 125 amps at 125 volts...the 120V nominal pack
hovered at
about this level while under this kind of load. After 30,000+ miles,
the tread still looked as new, with hardly any noticeable wear at
all...very
impressive!
See Ya....John Wayland
John,
It sounds like the late Mr Finley certainly did find a good tire in a
"no-name" import, but I must caution that it is not always the case.
As many of you know, my VW vans are often run well beyond their
intended weights (usually 6000+ lbs) so I've paid quite some
attention to high load tires for them.
I used to use a 185R14 made by Nankang on my vans (and on the back of
the electric S-10). They also were 8 ply rated, about 50 psi and 1900
lbs capacity. I thought they were good tires, they lasted a long time
and were inexpensive as well.
Sometime later, I decided to increase the wheel size to 15" and in
the process needed new tires. I found that Michelin makes the Agilis
tire specifically for high load applications (pretty much just Toyota
and VW Campers). It only comes in two sizes, a 185R14 and 205/65 R 15
C, M&S, 102/100T, 1875 LBS at 54 PSI which I used.
I must caution that the 185R14 has very different tread, so I don't
know if it performs similar to the one I used.
The Michelin Agilis is not listed as a low rolling resistance tire,
but it certainly rolls better than the Nankang did. I noticed this
when I had to use the parking brake on the shop driveway which I used
to think was flat. Also, it felt noticeably better on coasting.
So, the point here is to beware. Some cheap imports may be good, but
just because it's 8 ply and high pressure does not mean it is a low
rolling resistance tire. That Nankang sure was a drag compared to the
Agilis.
Someday I'd like to hook a big fish scale to the van and figure the
rolling drag with these. So far the best car I've tested was a stock
EV-1 which came in at .0043. For comparison a Del Sol with standard
tires did .0081 and then improved to .0062 when it got Proximas.
hth,
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http://www.CafeElectric.com
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Well, I finnally got some time and bolted my adapter plate to the tranny
to verify the pattern. I had dissassembled the tranny to get the front
half of the case on the mill and get good numbers. As I got out my
calculator and converted, they fell right into the metric equivilents.
I am posting the dimensions at http://67.125.141.70 ( will be
cvevs.jfs-tech.com when DNS propagates)
I have lapped the tilton disks so they slide and made a new release
bearing holder that is 1/2 shorter. Together with removing 1/2 inch from
the pilot tube,I can now fit a 3disk 5.5" clutch in there with the stock
fork.
Here is another tidbit for people considering the 84-87 300zx(Z31), the
200X 350Z(Z33) bearing DOES fit the 300zx, not the do-hikey that the
bearing presses onto, but the bearing itself.
This makes avail the radius contact bearing needed for the tilton style
clutch http://performancenissanparts.com sold me just the bearing for $39
Disclaimer. Power not yet applied, anyone else with better numbers, feel
free to speak up, otherwise: share and enjoy :-)
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At http://www.tirerack.com/about/techcenter.jsp there is a whole page of
articles, one of which is rolling resistance.
They recommend OEM tires cause "these tires are often designed with a priority
on reducing weight and rolling resistance and are molded with slightly thinner
sidewalls, shallower tread depths and use low rolling resistance constructions
and tread compounds."
The last para says that keeping the tires inflated to the manu specs is
probably the most important part of low rolling resistance.
Rush
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Awesome! Thanks for posting the videos! It was great hearing the
silent rush, barely broken by the sticky tires tossing pebbles. Even
the spinout was quiet! I know race tires are quieter than street
tires (one reason I like the ST* classes, I like the howling tires!).
With a first timer performance like that, do you think they'll let
you stay in a < 2 liter class? Let's hope they don't start taking the
volume of the electric motor, then we all would be in trouble. This
revs me up to be racing my in-progress conversion.
What is the "ssshhhhhhh" noise? (I think something to do with
braking.)
How did you place in overall times ranking?
Congrats on the win, and way to go head-to-head with the gassers!
--- ProEV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi EV Listers,
>
> ProEV's Kokam powered Electric Imp has won it's first two
> autocrosses.
>
> The first autocross wasn't perfect. We were stuck in a class with
> no
> oppersition and we only completed two runs.
>
> The second race was better. They classified us as D modified and
> we had
> some ICE Cars to beat up on! I managed an entertaining spin on the
> first run
> but eventually did a respectable time.
>
> Write-ups are on the website.There are also Amp, RPM, Torque,
> Voltage
> graphs from the first autocross and In-car videos from the second.
>
> Have fun,
>
> Cliff
>
> www.ProEV.com
>
>
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--- ProEV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi EV Listers,
ProEV's Kokam powered Electric Imp has won it's first two
> autocrosses.
Hi Cliff,
Great job with the win! I've always believed that EV's can be very
competitive in Autocross.
I also enjoyed watching the in car videos! They were a bit jumpy in
playback, but that's typical for Windows Media Slayer :-). Still,
it's lot's of fun to watch and I can see how reviewing videos between
runs could be very useful. I've been tempted to get out this season,
we have a big 914 event next weekend. Seeing your video tempts me
more..
I've done some EV autocross myself and have always done fairly well.
Snowhite was wicked fast and they put us in the A mod class. Here's a
pic from a race at Candlestick park years ago.
http://cafeelectric.com/Snowhite1.jpg
I would be tempted to race the car without regen unless you've found
a way to balance the regen and mechanical brakes for optimum balance.
Late braking can buy you a lot in autocross.
Have fun!
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-Otmar-
http://www.CafeElectric.com/ Home of the Zilla.
http://www.evcl.com/914 My electric 914
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I don't consider the pressure specified on a tire sidewall an
absolute maximum that must be obeyed. Good tires can
tolerate remarkable amount of abuse from potholes, excessive
speed, temperature extremes, cuts and bruises, improper
inflation, overloading, etc. So, in my never so humble opinion,
if other forms of abuse are minimized, then they can tolerate some
overinflation.
On my Ranger pickup EV, I inflated the front and the rear tires to
10psi above the sidewall specification. I don't know how much
that helped to reduce rolling resistance. The extra pressure definitely
did improve directional stability.
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Jeff, do you have pictures posted of the conversion?
Don
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Shanab
Sent: March 12, 2005 10:45 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Progress on 300VZX
Well, I finnally got some time and bolted my adapter plate to the tranny to
verify the pattern. I had dissassembled the tranny to get the front half of
the case on the mill and get good numbers. As I got out my
calculator and converted, they fell right into the metric equivilents.
I am posting the dimensions at http://67.125.141.70 ( will be
cvevs.jfs-tech.com when DNS propagates)
I have lapped the tilton disks so they slide and made a new release bearing
holder that is 1/2 shorter. Together with removing 1/2 inch from the pilot
tube,I can now fit a 3disk 5.5" clutch in there with the stock fork.
Here is another tidbit for people considering the 84-87 300zx(Z31), the 200X
350Z(Z33) bearing DOES fit the 300zx, not the do-hikey that the bearing
presses onto, but the bearing itself.
This makes avail the radius contact bearing needed for the tilton style
clutch http://performancenissanparts.com sold me just the bearing for $39
Disclaimer. Power not yet applied, anyone else with better numbers, feel
free to speak up, otherwise: share and enjoy :-)
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What model VW van are you using? Is it a Eurovan?
Mike G.
As many of you know, my VW vans are often run well beyond their
intended weights (usually 6000+ lbs) so I've paid quite some attention
to high load tires for them.
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At 8:59 AM -0500 3-13-05, M.G. wrote:
What model VW van are you using? Is it a Eurovan?
Mike G.
As many of you know, my VW vans are often run well beyond their
intended weights (usually 6000+ lbs) so I've paid quite some
attention to high load tires for them.
I should have been clearer. My van is not electric.
I do use it to tow EV's to the races. Currently it's a Vanagon but
the tires I run were made for the Eurovan.
You can see my van here: http://www.evcl.com/vw
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-Otmar-
http://www.CafeElectric.com/ Home of the Zilla.
http://www.evcl.com/914 My electric 914
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Socal group:
Now that we have purchased the cells I would like to see how best to
ship them. Please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED], I am willing to
coordinate if you wish and do a little pricing on shipping. I have not
heard back from Hump since I bought the batteries so am a little
confused on how to proceed.
Bill
805 646 8383
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Neon John
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells: SoCal & NorCal group buy?
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:45:32 -0800 (PST), Reverend Gadget
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>By my tally that looks like 1080 cells so far. see
>what you can get the shipping for. I've already sent
>my money in to Hump. Cell count as follows.
>
>400 Gadget
>500 Bill
> 40 Roger
>140 Tim
Is there anyone else in the southeast that might be interested in some
of these? I have a 15 ft cube van with a lift gate that we could use
to pick up a shipment from somewhere central and haul 'em around.
Split the trucking fee. I'm interested in some of these but I don't
think I want to go the trucking fee by myself.
John
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Hi,
I have looked at all the tires mentioned in the e-mail you attached,
Otmar. Here's what I found:
Michelin MXV4+: Don't come in my size.
Michelin X-One: Don't seem to be avaliable.
Bridgestone Potenza RE-92: Don't come in my size, Got terrible ratings.
Goodyear Integrity: Do come in my size, but got marginal ratings.
So that still leaves me looking at the Toyo 800 ultra and the Pirelli
Scorpion STR A.
I'm a bit leery of the Toyo 800 though after reading reviews. They got a
good overall rating, but many people said that the tires were extremely
noisy, and quite a few people mentioned having tire blow outs, some
multiple times with these tires (they say the side walls are very soft).
Because the Jeep is a heavy vehicle and most of the streets around
here suck, I don't think I want to use a tire that is prone to blow
outs. Maybe I'm being concerned about nothing, though?
The Pirelli Scorpion STR tires got very good ratings, and people said
they are strong and last a long time. The good ratings and the fact that
they have a higher load and pressure rating than the Toyo 800, and are
cheaper is why I'm still considering these. Even if load ratings aren't
significant, I would think that the higher the load rating, the less the
tire will drag on the ground for a given load (assuming you have them at
the right pressure)?
> What you are looking for is a tire that has Silca in the compound.
Anyone know of any other tires that fit this description?
Thanks,
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-Nick
http://Go.DriveEV.com/
1988 Jeep Cherokee 4x4 EV
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, Nick Viera wrote:
Hi,
I have looked at all the tires mentioned in the e-mail you attached, Otmar.
Here's what I found:
Michelin MXV4+: Don't come in my size.
Did you try the non+ MXV4?
My minivan had no plus version but would take the "plain" MXV4.
Michelin X-One: Don't seem to be avaliable.
Bridgestone Potenza RE-92: Don't come in my size, Got terrible ratings.
Goodyear Integrity: Do come in my size, but got marginal ratings.
So that still leaves me looking at the Toyo 800 ultra and the Pirelli
Scorpion STR A.
I'm a bit leery of the Toyo 800 though after reading reviews. They got a good
overall rating, but many people said that the tires were extremely noisy, and
quite a few people mentioned having tire blow outs, some multiple times with
these tires (they say the side walls are very soft). Because the Jeep is a
heavy vehicle and most of the streets around here suck, I don't think I want
to use a tire that is prone to blow outs. Maybe I'm being concerned about
nothing, though?
The Pirelli Scorpion STR tires got very good ratings, and people said they
are strong and last a long time. The good ratings and the fact that they have
a higher load and pressure rating than the Toyo 800, and are cheaper is why
I'm still considering these. Even if load ratings aren't significant, I would
think that the higher the load rating, the less the tire will drag on the
ground for a given load (assuming you have them at the right pressure)?
What you are looking for is a tire that has Silca in the compound.
Anyone know of any other tires that fit this description?
Thanks,
--
-Nick
http://Go.DriveEV.com/
1988 Jeep Cherokee 4x4 EV
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> WE The People Party
>
> http://www.wethepeople-wtp.org/
>
> (EV stuff near the bottom).They do have a good
> platform and they are in all 50 states.
>
> Environmental Choice: Every environmental policy has
> human as well as financial costs and benefits, and
> We The People need full information to make informed
> choices. "Clean water, Clean air, Clean land" are
> not too much to expect in our country, in fact in
> our world! "He who pollutes pays" - the polluter
> should pay the price of full clean-up. A robust
> economy and a clean, biologically productive
> environment are not in conflict. On the contrary,
> they need each other over the long term if they are
> to continue to survive and prosper.
>
> a) anti-pollution standards should be drawn to
> protect EVERYONE in society as much as possible
> rather than be based on a safe threshold for healthy
> young adults. Inclusive instead of exclusive, so to
> speak.
>
> b) The costs of regulation and the risks of the
> health threats that government is seeking to curb
> are important tools in setting environmental
> standards, but they are only tools, not ends in
> themselves. Many other factors are taken into
> consideration in reaching a final decision, not the
> last nor least of which is ethics.
>
> c) We The People endorses the application of the
> "precautionary principle". Hence, when there is
> enough evidence to warrant concern that serious
> and/or irreversible environmental harm might occur,
> lack of full scientific certainty should not be used
> as justification for blocking measures that are
> beneficial in their own right and would diminish the
> potential for experiencing such harm.
>
> d) Consideration should be given to gradually
> replacing, or at least offsetting, the federal
> income tax with a tax on consumption.
>
> e) Consumers might actively help curtail pollution
> by understanding and adopting active support and
> participation in the ZEV Program (Zero Emission
> Vehicles) which needs to stay on the books. The
> manufacturers are starting to withdraw the vehicles
> from the U.S. market (ie. Honda's electric car) due
> to slow sales. This is a question of education and
> information to the consumers and a national policy
> for the U.S. Federal government to purchase zero
> emission vehicles (eg. electric) for its huge fleet,
> thus creating a market and reducing the market cost
> by higher volume production. The environment can not
> make up for our lack of responsibility - if we adopt
> the " he who pollutes pays" policy, perhaps owners
> of traditional combustion engine vehicles will pay
> more instead of the owners of electric (or other
> environmentally sound) vehicles! We need to protect
> what we have or we will lose it!
>
>
>
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Although it is a little ways to go before the first road test, the New
Beetle EV project is coming along great.
Today all the batteries are in, the drive and controller are in, all
electrical sub-systems are hooked up. Having the drive shafts off was a
great way to safely test the drive. Except for one-minor misconnection, the
whole system works well, the motor spins both directions fine, the heater
works as well as the ammeter, voltmeter and speedometer.
Now, all I need to do is get a few more systems put in place, and I will
take it for its first "driveway" test.
Don
Victoria, BC, Canada
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At 10:11 AM 3/11/05 -0500, you wrote:
And a used Rav4-EV went for around $33,000 on eBay a few days ago... so
loyal fans still exist.
I saw two on ebay recently one for $37000 and one just under. Is this a
third one?
George S.
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Has anyone considered or implemented heating by a
catalytic propane gas or other gas system?
Perhaps the catalytic heater could be used to heat
fluid instead of the air directly to reduce the chance
of carbon monoxide poisioning or suffication.
I just don't like the idea of 3 kW for heating from
the batteries or engine-generator.
L.MILLER
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I don't accept such a party, this is type of reasoning
that Marxist Communism is based on. Perhaps these
things start with benign dictators, but beome tyrants.
For example, the farce about freon damaging the ozone
was just sell new refrigerant. Soft UV creates Ozone!
They tested at the South pole where it is dark. They
certainly did not want any scientific evidence getting
in their way.
I suspect the same for the global warming farce, just
another way to take over people.
Point C in the original post certainly points to this,
regardless of scientific evidence or opposing
evidence, this party just wants to impose their will.
I disagree with point D. If there are both income
taxes and sales taxes, it'll be very hard to eliminate
income taxes. I agree with the FAIR TAX: eliminate
income tax and replace it with a consumption tax. I go
further: don't let politicians spend it on pork or
wasteful social programs.
I'll take freedom, a limited republic form of
government, and, given the current environment, the
Republicans and some of the RINOS.
L.MILLER
> > c) We The People endorses the application of the
> > "precautionary principle". Hence, when there is
> > enough evidence to warrant concern that serious
> > and/or irreversible environmental harm might
> occur,
> > lack of full scientific certainty should not be
> used
> > as justification for blocking measures that are
> > beneficial in their own right and would diminish
> the
> > potential for experiencing such harm.
> > d) Consideration should be given to gradually
> > replacing, or at least offsetting, the federal
> > income tax with a tax on consumption.
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Thanks for making the EV discussion list interesting,
please let me introduce myself.
My career is in software engineering and some
electrical engineering with interests in energy and
physics. I started thinking on EV about 20 years ago.
I am collecting information about EV to consider
building one in a few years.
The vision a compact street car with a 500 mile range.
It would be pure electric to the wheels and may have a
gasoline, diesel, or other fossil fuel type of
engine-generator. It would have a 30 minute reserve in
the batteries for surge power.
I plan to do this as an engineered project although
there may still be a hobbyist bent to it.
I look forward to discussing it with you.
L.MILLER
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Hi,
Yes, I looked at all of the Michelin MXV4 series tires. None of them are
made in the P225/75/R15 size. :-/
Derrick J Brashear wrote:
Did you try the non+ MXV4?
My minivan had no plus version but would take the "plain" MXV4.
Thanks,
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I have a G van. It uses a diesel fired heater about the size of a 1#
coffee can, if memory serves, that heats water. Paloma make a fairly
small instantaneous heater that would be perfect for heating water to
heat the car.
Bill
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Behalf Of Lawrence Miller
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 4:46 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Heating an EV
Has anyone considered or implemented heating by a
catalytic propane gas or other gas system?
Perhaps the catalytic heater could be used to heat
fluid instead of the air directly to reduce the chance
of carbon monoxide poisioning or suffication.
I just don't like the idea of 3 kW for heating from
the batteries or engine-generator.
L.MILLER
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On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 04:57:04PM -0800, Lawrence Miller wrote:
> Point C in the original post certainly points to this,
> regardless of scientific evidence or opposing
> evidence, this party just wants to impose their will.
Do you think that the precautionary principle is a bad idea?
Here is a definition I found at http://www.pprinciple.net
The "precautionary principle" or "precautionary approach" - is a
response to uncertainty, in the face of risks to health or the environment. In
general, it involves acting to avoid serious or irreversible potential harm,
despite lack of scientific certainty as to the likelihood, magnitude, or
causation of that harm.
I've always thought that this seemed very reasonable.
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Lawrence,
Welcome to the list.
I won't express any political opinions regarding the
subject below, this is best used on a political type
forum. The EV list is for the advancement of EV's
regardless of your political slant. There are some
that are on the right of the political spectrum and
many on the left. That is not the purpose of this
list. We share technological information and help
others on the list create and drive EV's.
So, keep politics out of the post's and keep it
relavent to building your EV.
Thanks,
Rod
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wrote:
> I don't accept such a party, this is type of
> reasoning
> that Marxist Communism is based on. Perhaps these
> things start with benign dictators, but beome
> tyrants.
>
> For example, the farce about freon damaging the
> ozone
> was just sell new refrigerant. Soft UV creates
> Ozone!
> They tested at the South pole where it is dark. They
> certainly did not want any scientific evidence
> getting
> in their way.
>
> I suspect the same for the global warming farce,
> just
> another way to take over people.
>
> Point C in the original post certainly points to
> this,
> regardless of scientific evidence or opposing
> evidence, this party just wants to impose their
> will.
>
> I disagree with point D. If there are both income
> taxes and sales taxes, it'll be very hard to
> eliminate
> income taxes. I agree with the FAIR TAX: eliminate
> income tax and replace it with a consumption tax. I
> go
> further: don't let politicians spend it on pork or
> wasteful social programs.
>
> I'll take freedom, a limited republic form of
> government, and, given the current environment, the
> Republicans and some of the RINOS.
>
> L.MILLER
>
> > > c) We The People endorses the application of the
> > > "precautionary principle". Hence, when there is
> > > enough evidence to warrant concern that serious
> > > and/or irreversible environmental harm might
> > occur,
> > > lack of full scientific certainty should not be
> > used
> > > as justification for blocking measures that are
> > > beneficial in their own right and would diminish
> > the
> > > potential for experiencing such harm.
>
> > > d) Consideration should be given to gradually
> > > replacing, or at least offsetting, the federal
> > > income tax with a tax on consumption.
>
>
>
>
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I will be driving my Eurovan up to blossvale to pick up my batteries and
I thing I will be running heavy ;)
Mike G.
Otmar wrote:
At 8:59 AM -0500 3-13-05, M.G. wrote:
What model VW van are you using? Is it a Eurovan?
Mike G.
As many of you know, my VW vans are often run well beyond their
intended weights (usually 6000+ lbs) so I've paid quite some
attention to high load tires for them.
I should have been clearer. My van is not electric.
I do use it to tow EV's to the races. Currently it's a Vanagon but the
tires I run were made for the Eurovan.
You can see my van here: http://www.evcl.com/vw
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At 6:40 PM -0600 3-13-05, Nick Viera wrote:
Hi,
Yes, I looked at all of the Michelin MXV4 series tires. None of them
are made in the P225/75/R15 size. :-/
Nick, are you aware that you can run many different tire sizes on a car?
That 225 number is by no means gospel. People often go wider and
narrower than stock. Ditto with the aspect ratio. Often people get
new wheels and run a larger diameter. In an EV it often helps to up
the width some to handle the higher typical loads.
Different sizes will change you gear ratios and often will make your
speedometer read incorrectly, but there are ways around that as well.
There are many tire size calculators online, I suggest using one to
check out the effect of the aspect ratios and widths that are
available.
For instance the MXV4+ comes in a 225/60-15 with a Overall height of
25.6". Maybe that is appropriate?
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Hello all
My friend just bought an EV (sort of), a robotic lawn mower. I have tried to
charge it up, but it keeps shutting off. Here's the EV part: the battery pack
consists of 2 ea 12 volt lead acid batteries, but the charger is 32 VDC and 900
mA. Does that sound right? Or should the charger be closer to 24 volts? Thanks
all.
David C. Wilker Jr. USAF (RET)
Children need love, especially when they do not deserve it.
- Harold S.
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, Dave wrote:
Hello all
My friend just bought an EV (sort of), a robotic lawn mower. I have
tried to charge it up, but it keeps shutting off. Here's the EV part:
the battery pack consists of 2 ea 12 volt lead acid batteries, but the
charger is 32 VDC and 900 mA. Does that sound right? Or should the
charger be closer to 24 volts? Thanks all.
The batteries are probably shot, especially if it's one of the Woot units.
IIRC they're 17ah 12v Yuasa batteries, The charger I have is the same, and
at least seems to do a good job of charging. 24v would be too low.
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Welcome to the list L.
Check the archives, just last week a new person asked about 1000 mile range.
The subject was "Pipe dreams - 1,000 mile EV", it might give you an idea
just how impractical a 500mile EV might be given today's technology on pure
batteries. However, towing a generator should get you unlimited range. See
AC Propulsion's at
http://www.acpropulsion.com/Products/Range_extending_trailers.htm
Don
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lawrence Miller
Sent: March 13, 2005 4:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Personal introduction
Thanks for making the EV discussion list interesting, please let me
introduce myself.
My career is in software engineering and some electrical engineering with
interests in energy and physics. I started thinking on EV about 20 years
ago.
I am collecting information about EV to consider building one in a few
years.
The vision a compact street car with a 500 mile range.
It would be pure electric to the wheels and may have a gasoline, diesel, or
other fossil fuel type of engine-generator. It would have a 30 minute
reserve in the batteries for surge power.
I plan to do this as an engineered project although there may still be a
hobbyist bent to it.
I look forward to discussing it with you.
L.MILLER
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What is a good range to consider for buying:
2001 GEM Utility
(don't yet know if it's the short bed or long bed)
2 Passenger
Rear plexi-glass window
Staked Bed
Locking truck toolbox
100 miles
Are there any online resources for this (blue book type of info)?
Thanks,
Mac
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I heard I am suppose to break in the brushes on a new motor. Are the
brushes already seated in on the warp 9 ?
I connect up a 12v battery for 1/2 hour but saw no change on the com and
no sparks.
The motor is now connected to the tranny!(wahoo) When connected to the
same battery it definitly pulls more amps and slows down after only a
few moments, but disconnected I can turn the aux shaft as easy as when
it wasn't connected to tranny and clutch. It is an SLI battery and is
probably in need of chargeing.
Is 12volts a laughabley low voltage for this?
It was very difficult to get the tranny shaft into the clutch and I am
hopeing It doesn't have to come apart. If break in is needed, can it be
done while driving?
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Interesting! I also recently had a post melt on very new US125's. It was the
positive post on the last battery in series, or should I say the first series
battery. The terminals were tight, at least I thought they were. My battery
guy actually used an oxy acytelene torch to melt a new terminal on to the post.
It was scarry watching him do it but it worked. I wonder if it was a factory
defect?
gabe
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From: Bruce Weisenberger<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Post disaster
Had a recent melt down at work.
Golf cart repair tech came out and drilled a small hole in the left overs of
a melted post. Then drove a self tapping screw with a replacement lug on it.
Melt down occurred due to loose cable which became over heated during charging.
Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:I melted
the Negative most post on the pack of US 125's. I had a small vice
grip with me and I unscrewed everything and viced it into place and then
reused the bolt to get home. I've heard the post can be replaced. Should I
contact the US battery rep? I also need to find out what caused it. I had
the contact points down solid??? The Electravan has very small connectors.
Maybe I should upgrade.
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
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