EV Digest 4259
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Wicked Watts Roll Call
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2) Re: An Etek by any other name...
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: BLAM!
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
4) Re: An Etek by any other name...
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: BLAM!
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Automatic Trans SAAB 900E !
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) pusher to electric
by James Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Contactor Arc suppression.
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Transfer case as transmission
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: An Etek by any other name...
by "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Contactor Arc suppression.
by Evan Tuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: An Etek by any other name...
by "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) 1-wheel pusher
by Evan Tuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: pusher to electric
by "Andre' Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Avcon charge port needed for my new ranger
by Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: pusher to electric
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: pusher to electric
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Curtis programming?
by Duncan Orthner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: pusher to electric
by James Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) RE: Unconventional Liquid Motor Cooling Ideas?
by "Andre' Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Wicked Watts Roll Call
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: laser cutting for adaptor plates
by Electro Automotive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: An Etek by any other name...
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Wicked Watts Roll Call
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
25) Re: pusher to electric
by James Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Was First drive..Beetle, now WiKi for Siemens
by "ProEV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Was First drive..Beetle, now WiKi for Siemens
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: pusher to electric
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) RE: pusher to electric
by "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Re: [RAV4-EV] RangerEVs coming available
by Marc Geller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
31) RangerEVs on eBay
by "Shawn Waggoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
32) Re: pusher to electric
by Gordon Niessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
33) Re: RangerEVs coming available
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
34) Re: pusher to electric
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
35) RE: pusher to electric
by James Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
36) Re: pusher to electric
by James Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
37) Re: pusher to electric
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
38) Re: RangerEVs on eBay
by "Robert Swofford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
39) Re: RangerEVs on eBay
by James Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
40) Re: RangerEVs on eBay
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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In a message dated 4/4/05 9:21:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Count me in also... just made a res at the Super 8 for Fri and Sat nights.
I'm excited... great to
be able to put faces to the names on the list and I know I'll learn a great
deal. Hope you all don't
mind my questions...
see ya later...
Thanks
Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
>>
Are you driving?I have a barstool motor here in phoenix that needs to get to
the vegas event for Brent and Kent.I am only one half mile off the road your
coming from. Dennis
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:12 AM
Subject: An Etek by any other name...
> Such a deal! Hurry and take a look:
> CLICK ON MOTORS, SCROLL DOWN TO THE PRESTO LITE, 10 HP Going for 300 bux,
so far. now THAT' s a deal!
Bob
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=66958&item=7506104408
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Bob, good to hear you made it.Where on your place were you charging these?
Dennis Berube
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Take a closer look. Look at the back bearing. Something is funny.
LR.........
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:12 AM
Subject: An Etek by any other name...
Such a deal! Hurry and take a look:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=66958&item=7506104408
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: BLAM!
> Bob, good to hear you made it.Where on your place were you charging these?
> Dennis Berube
>
> Had them outside on the shelf where we put 'em. Didn't think they could be
so violent. A carload of then could give you a sismic size explosion, as I'm
sure they would all go in sympathy??
Bob
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Well the feedback I am getting from some sources is that the ADC motors run
most efficiently at 5000rpm. The problem seems to be keeping them running
fast enough to cool properly.
Has anyone else adapted an automatic to run this way?
The locking torque converter can be wired through the solenoid to stay locked,
making it more or less like a clutch.
Would running in "low" resolve this problem?
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We have talked on the list before about converting a standard push mower
to electric. Well I now have five (5) dead old gassers, Ghosts of
yardwork past, and would like to convert at least one of the to electric
for basic edging and the like.
I can't seem to find my link I had to several pages where people have
done this. Anyone out there got a pointer for me?
James
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Justin Southam wrote:
> If arcing caused by ionization is the only problem on opening,
> what happens if I replace the air around the contacts of my
> Albright SW200 with a liquid.
Certainly there are lots of things that work better than air.
Specifically, the oxygen in the air is bad because it causes the
contacts to oxidize.
> I know the Kilovac contactors use pressurized Nitrogen or Hydrogen
> to fill the void around the contacts.
Nitrogen, hydrogen, and other gases are used in some contactors. Vacuum
is also used. I think the Kilovacs use something odd (sulfur
hexafluoride)?
> I'm thinking water probably isn't ideal, how about transformer
> oil or motor oil or...
Yes; oil is used on high-power contactors.
> any other suggestions?
Solids! Some contactors literally force a solid insulator between the
contacts. They are used to make "intrinsically safe" contactors where it
is required that they must *never* weld (i.e. must fail off, not on).
> Would the liquid increase the peak (30-60 second) current rating
> by drawing heat out of the contactor? Wouldn't it increase the
> max break voltage too?
Yes.
--
If you would not be forgotten
When your body's dead and rotten
Then write of great deeds worth the reading
Or do the great deeds worth repeating
-- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac
--
Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Since I wrote asking my questions, I've been doing a lot more web
searches in this area, and I'm thinking that a Volvo overdrive unit
might work pretty well. I'd think you'd have to add shaft bracings to
each end to accommodate for the chain pull if you were mounting it
parallel rather than on the end of a tranny, which is the norm.
Fortunately, most overdrives are actuated by an electric solenoid.
Peter VanDerWal wrote:
Does the hi gear / low gear apply to both the front and rear wheel
outputs. Logically, it seems it would ...
Yes it does. On some units it's possible to separate (requires
modification) them and shift the front and back independantly.
Also, do you know the high/low mechanism? Is it a planetary gear system
like an automatic, or is it a constant-mesh dogged gear like a manual?
Yup! Depends on the model.
Know of any small-ish units that could be used on a bike? I know most
are physically small, but they're also kinda heavy (75lbs).
One from Suzuki Samauri might work. I think that's the one that has a
divorced transfer case. I believe it's also a gear driven one instead of
chain driven (possibly higher efficiency).
You might be able to lighten it a bit by ditching parts you don't need,
i.e. if you are using the front wheel part, loose the rear wheel flange
and gears.
Once more, these things are not really designed to be shifted from one
gear to the other while moving. You can probably go from low to high, but
often must be either stopped or moving very slowly to go from high to low.
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> Such a deal! Hurry and take a look:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=66958&i
> tem=7506104408
The deal's gone...but 20 more of these with BuyItNow of $249 each:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7506148549
Interesting that these ETEK motors are rigged up perfectly for those wanting
forced air axially with a duct or hose. While these have the armature air
cooling slots only on one face of the motor, they added what looks like a
hose flange axially to the brush housing rear plate---interesting approach,
but possibly fragile.
I'd be curious how the cooling performance with this plugged slot
arrangement compares to a normal ETEK with air slots on both sides, but with
forced air fan shroud as I'm doing.
-Myles
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On Apr 5, 2005 5:00 PM, Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nitrogen, hydrogen, and other gases are used in some contactors. Vacuum
> is also used. I think the Kilovacs use something odd (sulfur
> hexafluoride)?
I think that's in their higher voltage contactors. I read that it was
to do with reducing X-ray emission - does that sound right?
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> Take a closer look. Look at the back bearing. Something is funny.
> LR.........
The bearing is further in.
You're looking at a cooling hose fitting.
-MT
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An idea came to me while I was towing my new EV home, after having
just been for a tour of Paul Compton's motorcycle collection.
A pusher Bike! It would be ideal for moving an EV long distance, as
in delivering or collecting it. You would remove the front wheel, and
bolt the forks up to a pivoting bracket that straps on to the rear
bumper with the motorcycle steering providing the longitudinal axis
for going around corners. It would provide assistance after you get
the car up to cruising speed using its electric drive.
You need a remote control with: ignition switch, clutch switch and
throttle pot, and corresponding relay, actuator and servo on the
controls of the bike.
Leave the bike in 4th or some suitable gear, and when you reach
60-65mph, turn on the ignition, turn on the clutch switch and wait for
it to fire up, and then turn up the throttle until you no longer need
power from the EV's battery. For steep hills, use the EV's gas pedal
to help. If you have regen, this can be used to control the speed
going down hills, and regain some energy to the battery.
I guess a pretty powerful, probably watercooled bike would be needed..
but apart from that, can anyone see any glaringly obvious problems?
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Seen this just the other day.
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2005040510004723&item=10-1938&catname
_________
Andre' B.
At 08:53 AM 4/5/2005, you wrote:
We have talked on the list before about converting a standard push mower
to electric. Well I now have five (5) dead old gassers, Ghosts of
yardwork past, and would like to convert at least one of the to electric
for basic edging and the like.
I can't seem to find my link I had to several pages where people have
done this. Anyone out there got a pointer for me?
James
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> The 1998 ranger ev I bought at auction has no avcon charger for it maybe
> someone on the list can come to the rescue.Also do the batteries come out the
> bottom?Is there another ranger list? Dennis Berube shes
> already growing on me
There's an Avcon style wall unit on eBay right now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4540561895&category=6755
Ralph
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It loads sloooowwww.
This is my Craftsman minus ICE with a BLDC
motor and sensorless drive. It runs at approximately
3400 RPM. This motor is really overkill, but it was
the right price (free, so was the control).
The huge clips are from my variac battery charger.
This expert installation includes yellow bungee cords
to hold the batteries to the motor.
Rod
--- James Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> We have talked on the list before about converting a
> standard push mower
> to electric. Well I now have five (5) dead old
> gassers, Ghosts of
> yardwork past, and would like to convert at least
> one of the to electric
> for basic edging and the like.
>
> I can't seem to find my link I had to several pages
> where people have
> done this. Anyone out there got a pointer for me?
>
> James
>
>
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I guess the link would help
http://www.qsl.net/w8rnh/mower3.jpg
--- Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It loads sloooowwww.
> This is my Craftsman minus ICE with a BLDC
> motor and sensorless drive. It runs at
> approximately
> 3400 RPM. This motor is really overkill, but it was
> the right price (free, so was the control).
> The huge clips are from my variac battery charger.
> This expert installation includes yellow bungee
> cords
> to hold the batteries to the motor.
> Rod
> --- James Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > We have talked on the list before about converting
> a
> > standard push mower
> > to electric. Well I now have five (5) dead old
> > gassers, Ghosts of
> > yardwork past, and would like to convert at least
> > one of the to electric
> > for basic edging and the like.
> >
> > I can't seem to find my link I had to several
> pages
> > where people have
> > done this. Anyone out there got a pointer for me?
> >
> > James
> >
> >
>
>
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Hello all,
I've been lurking here for a while and I finally have a
question. I've been building small mobility two and three wheeled EV's for
the last couple of years and I'm bracing myself to take the plunge and
build something road ready. Anyrate, here's my question:
Has anyone in the EV community reverse engineered the curtis programming
protocol? I'd like access to all the OEM level features in my 1228's. But
my local Curtis distributor says the software supporting this is only
available to companies purchasing 10K type quantities of controllers. He
also says it's a liability issue.
This has been a major stumbling block for me already and I'm hesitant
to embark on a larger project with a Curtis controller. Last year I
borrowed a handheld curtis programmer from a local scooter service guy but
apparently these aren't available for purchase either.
All input appreciated, Duncan
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Looks cool. Maybe It's just me but I *LIKE* the rolling science project
look. Lets people know you build it, not purchased it from Wal-Snart.
I also seem to remember someone building one out of an old car starter.
I only have two motors lying around that I could use. Both are 36v.
One is a deck motor from an Elec-Trak. It would likely work but I'd
need 3 batteries, the other is the drive motor out of a golf cart. WAY
overkill.
James
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 11:12, Rod Hower wrote:
> I guess the link would help
> http://www.qsl.net/w8rnh/mower3.jpg
> --- Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It loads sloooowwww.
> > This is my Craftsman minus ICE with a BLDC
> > motor and sensorless drive. It runs at
> > approximately
> > 3400 RPM. This motor is really overkill, but it was
> > the right price (free, so was the control).
> > The huge clips are from my variac battery charger.
> > This expert installation includes yellow bungee
> > cords
> > to hold the batteries to the motor.
> > Rod
> > --- James Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > We have talked on the list before about converting
> > a
> > > standard push mower
> > > to electric. Well I now have five (5) dead old
> > > gassers, Ghosts of
> > > yardwork past, and would like to convert at least
> > > one of the to electric
> > > for basic edging and the like.
> > >
> > > I can't seem to find my link I had to several
> > pages
> > > where people have
> > > done this. Anyone out there got a pointer for me?
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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Until a few have done it the effects would be unknown. If you get a lot of
water in the motor they may be a problem with washing the lube out of the
bearings.
Could be some corrosion if it is not dried out before shunting down, could
be some erosion from droplets hitting high speed parts, but these motors
really do not spin that fast so it's an unlikely problem. It is a problem
with tractor pullers who get cheap and just use a windshield washer pump to
spray water into the turbo intake instead of getting a higher pressure pump
to spray the water in after the turbo.
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Andre' B.
At 08:52 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote:
If you decide to go this way, there is a british
company called Aquamist (http://www.aquamist.co.uk/)
that sells little water injection kits for
turbo/supercharged cars.
The simplest systems are just a little water tank,
self contained pump and injector. The water spray is
used to (inter) cool charge air on the way into the
engine.
I have played with the pump and injector some and they
are pretty well made and sturdy. I am sure it would be
a very easy system to use (although i suspect you
could
make it on your own for less money).
what are the effects on the motor of constantly
sprayin water on it ? corrosion ?
~fortunat
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Sure can, will be in Phoenix around noon, so write me off list and we'll set it
up,
Rush
Tucson AZ
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
> >>
> Are you driving?I have a barstool motor here in phoenix that needs to get to
> the vegas event for Brent and Kent.I am only one half mile off the road your
> coming from. Dennis
>
>
>
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I was in at our local laser cutters this morning http://www.tas-fab.com,
doing a repair for them on a brake press. I asked about aluminium plate
cutting, they can do up to 8mm thick, with a precision of better than +/-
0.1mm.
We never use less than 5/8" thick for adequate strength.
Mike Brown
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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And re-started as another auction at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7506148549
At 02:12 AM 4/5/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Such a deal! Hurry and take a look:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=66958&item=7506104408
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John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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I am coming to watch the race . I am bringing a friend.I am trying to
make an ever of him.
Larry Cronk 72 Datsun ELEC TK
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Neet one Rod,
That's kinda what I think I'm going to do. Except I'm going to use a
36v elec-trak deck motor and 3 batts. What kind of controller/switching
did you do?
On another topic, what kind of problems would I have using a stock golf
cart charger to charge such a rig? I know the gell cell batts are
different than lead acids and I don't want to destroy them.
James
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 11:12, Rod Hower wrote:
> I guess the link would help
> http://www.qsl.net/w8rnh/mower3.jpg
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Hi Charles, you are correct, the Siemens systems are water-cooled. The
fan
I am referring to is the fan for the radiator. The controller can be
programmed to turn this fan on and off at specific temperatures.
I really like the Siemens setup. Very well manufactured, very easy to
install and interfaces well to the existing VW instrumentation (like the
tach and warning lights). I also like the fact that it is very
programmable. Which is something I have to learn a bit more about.
Don
We have also found the Siemens motor/controller combo is a good unit and
very programmable. It was easy to get running but we keep finding new things
we can do by adjusting the parameters. Much of this information is posted
but buried in the logs on our website.
I don't have time to organize all our information but I wonder if this would
be a good application for a WiKi. That way everyone could share what they
learn (and avoid repeating the same mistakes).
I would suggest have sections that match the SIADIS menu. The section on
parameters could list all the parameters and people could get a better idea
what each one does.
The EVtech.org would seem like a logical place for the WiKi but I see that
it's WiKi is down. http://www.evtech.org/
Cliff
www.ProEV.com
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It sure would be a great idea...
Maybe it could also be expanded to encompass more. As a newcomer I have about
100 links in my
favorites and then about a zillion files on my computer that have information
that I think is
important. It would be great to be able to go to a central location and get
lots o info.
It would also be a grrrrreeat FAQ for the beginner as is being discussed in
another thread.
Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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From: "ProEV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Was First drive..Beetle, now WiKi for Siemens
>
>Much of this information is posted but buried in the logs on our website.
>
> I don't have time to organize all our information but I wonder if this would
> be a good application
> for a WiKi. That way everyone could share what they learn (and avoid
> repeating the same mistakes).
>
> I would suggest have sections that match the SIADIS menu. The section on
> parameters could list all
> the parameters and people could get a better idea what each one does.
>
> The EVtech.org would seem like a logical place for the WiKi but I see that
> it's WiKi is down.
> http://www.evtech.org/
>
> Cliff
>
> www.ProEV.com
>
>
>
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I want to make an electric mower also. I am tired of gas. One prob I can see
is getting it too heavy, and being unable to maneuver it, or it sinking in
softer ground. I can make a cover (5 gallon bucket?) for the motor and
batts.
David C. Wilker Jr. USAF (RET)
Children need love, especially when they do not deserve it.
- Harold S.
Hulbert
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From: "James Jarrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: pusher to electric
Neet one Rod,
That's kinda what I think I'm going to do. Except I'm going to use a
36v elec-trak deck motor and 3 batts. What kind of controller/switching
did you do?
On another topic, what kind of problems would I have using a stock golf
cart charger to charge such a rig? I know the gell cell batts are
different than lead acids and I don't want to destroy them.
James
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 11:12, Rod Hower wrote:
I guess the link would help
http://www.qsl.net/w8rnh/mower3.jpg
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> I want to make an electric mower also. I am tired of gas. One
> prob I can see is getting it too heavy, and being unable to maneuver it,
or
> it sinking in softer ground. I can make a cover (5 gallon bucket?) for the
> motor and batts.
So how important is cordless to you?
I've been mowing our 20x40' lawn now with a 3HP Black and Decker cord
electric mower for several years. You can pick these up dirt cheap used
($20-$80).
Plug it in, let the grass fly!
It takes awhile to get used to dragging the cord around, but it's not a
pain.
-Myles Twete, Portland, Or.
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Ford's promises stand.
Ford's actions linger.
Ford's communications sucks.
Marc
On Apr 4, 2005, at 9:12 AM, joshua mark wrote:
Just curious if there is any update on the status of the Ranger EVs???
On Mar 18, 2005 10:52 AM, Darell Dickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
That can't be right! Didn't the memo get distributed? Nobody wants
EVs!
-= Darell =-
http://www.darelldd.com/ev/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Row
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 9:49 AM
To: Marc Geller
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; EV Discussion; Club EV1; RAV4 EV
Subject: Re: [RAV4-EV] RangerEVs coming available
I just spoke with Fran -
She requests that we moderate our enthusiasm.
Ford is not actually quite ready to do anything, and our
response has overwhelmed her.
She will contact Mark with more accurate information for him
to disseminate to us.
She estimates there is already more response than vehicles available.
David Row
San Dieog
Marc Geller wrote:
The RangerEV vigil did not only provide Rancher Dave and Solar Bill
the right to purchase their NiMH RangerEVs for $1. Bud and Ray now
own their RangerEVs, and Ford has stopped crushing the rest. It is
still unclear how many are in Ford's hands, but it is something
between dozens and a couple of hundred. They have
established a point
person and procedure for distributing these vehicles.
If you still are leasing one, you can buy it for a dollar. Period.
If you once leased one, you go to the first priority for available
RangerEVs. If you know your VIN #, they can find your car, dead or
alive. If alive, you can get it back. If dead, you get a
different one.
If you never leased one but want one now, they will be made
available
once former leaseholders are taken care of. To be considered, you
need to be put on the list.
These RangerEVs, most if not all NiMH, will be sold for $1, but it
will actually cost the purchaser approx $1000 to $2000, as
there are
costs involved in Ford preparing a car for sale as used.
The cost will
vary with work needed and transportation.
The woman to call at Ford is Fran Pilotti. Her phone # is (313)
390-1917 and her email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Questions?
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Broward County, FL (Ft. Lauderdale) has eleven EV Rangers they are going to
be auctioning off. They tried to sell them once before on eBay, but had to
pull them due to their legal dept. Looks like they got the go-ahead and have
them back up for auction.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7965775248
The fleet manager told me they will start one auction every 4 days. They
have on up now and will be starting another one on Thursday. There are a
total of eleven.
If anyone has any question, I might be able to help. I went down last time
to go look at them and took lots of pictures.
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Shawn M. Waggoner
Florida Electric Auto Assoc.
http://www.floridaeaa.org
Custom Honda Electric Motorcycle 72V
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I upgraded the batteries in my B&D cordless mower and it is now much
heavier. A bit too heavy. I have considered using wider wheels, but it
would still be a lot to push. If you have the option, I would recommend
building it so the batteries can easily be swapped out. Then have two or
more sets of smaller batteries.
At 4/5/2005 12:22 PM, you wrote:
I want to make an electric mower also. I am tired of gas. One prob I can
see is getting it too heavy, and being unable to maneuver it, or it
sinking in softer ground. I can make a cover (5 gallon bucket?) for the
motor and batts.
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Actually I was impressed by their communication, at least in a relative
sort of way. I sent in my e-mail and a few days later got a reply back.
It was a form letter, but still it was an actual reply that acknowledged
my request. And it specifically said my request had been "documented"
which amused me since it could almost be interpreted as a shot at GM for
claiming no knowledge of EV-1 interest.
Marc Geller wrote:
Ford's promises stand.
Ford's actions linger.
Ford's communications sucks.
--
Jim Coate
1970's Elec-Trak's
1998 Chevy S-10 NiMH BEV
1997 Chevy S-10 NGV Bi-Fuel
http://www.eeevee.com
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Dave wrote:
> I want to make an electric mower also. I am tired of gas. One prob
> I can see is getting it too heavy, and being unable to maneuver it,
> or it sinking in softer ground.
The answer to this is to have two battery packs, which are easy to
replace. Install one pack and mow while the other is on the charger.
When the one on the mower runs down, swap packs.
--
If you would not be forgotten
When your body's dead and rotten
Then write of great deeds worth the reading
Or do the great deeds worth repeating
-- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac
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Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Unfortunately, I have to go cordless. My yard is 14 acres total, now I
don't mow all of that, but the parts I do mow, are not at all near an
outlet. I have a small orchard of about 20 trees. I can mow most of it
with the Elec-Trak, but the little bits need a push mower. Of course,
If I build my mower as a 36v system (which I am) I can make a cord to
run it off the elec-trak in the "really" remote areas.
James
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 13:29, Myles Twete wrote:
> > I want to make an electric mower also. I am tired of gas. One
> > prob I can see is getting it too heavy, and being unable to maneuver it,
> or
> > it sinking in softer ground. I can make a cover (5 gallon bucket?) for the
> > motor and batts.
>
> So how important is cordless to you?
> I've been mowing our 20x40' lawn now with a 3HP Black and Decker cord
> electric mower for several years. You can pick these up dirt cheap used
> ($20-$80).
> Plug it in, let the grass fly!
> It takes awhile to get used to dragging the cord around, but it's not a
> pain.
>
> -Myles Twete, Portland, Or.
>
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If the ground is soft enough for it to sink in more than just slightly,
you probably should not be mowing.
I did a few "back of the envelope" calcs and I figure my electric
version will be about 10-12 lbs heaver than the "stock" gas version.
That is *with* batteries. If I run it off the elec-track, it'll be
considerably lighter than it was.
James
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 13:22, Dave wrote:
> I want to make an electric mower also. I am tired of gas. One prob I can see
> is getting it too heavy, and being unable to maneuver it, or it sinking in
> softer ground. I can make a cover (5 gallon bucket?) for the motor and
> batts.
>
> David C. Wilker Jr. USAF (RET)
> Children need love, especially when they do not deserve it.
> - Harold S.
> Hulbert
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> From: "James Jarrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:40 AM
> Subject: Re: pusher to electric
>
>
> > Neet one Rod,
> >
> > That's kinda what I think I'm going to do. Except I'm going to use a
> > 36v elec-trak deck motor and 3 batts. What kind of controller/switching
> > did you do?
> >
> > On another topic, what kind of problems would I have using a stock golf
> > cart charger to charge such a rig? I know the gell cell batts are
> > different than lead acids and I don't want to destroy them.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 11:12, Rod Hower wrote:
> >> I guess the link would help
> >> http://www.qsl.net/w8rnh/mower3.jpg
> >
> >
>
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I like this idea. Obvious drawbacks are cost of twice the batteries and swap
time, but I don't think those are too bad.
David C. Wilker Jr. USAF (RET)
Children need love, especially when they do not deserve it.
- Harold S.
Hulbert
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From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: pusher to electric
Dave wrote:
I want to make an electric mower also. I am tired of gas. One prob
I can see is getting it too heavy, and being unable to maneuver it,
or it sinking in softer ground.
The answer to this is to have two battery packs, which are easy to
replace. Install one pack and mow while the other is on the charger.
When the one on the mower runs down, swap packs.
--
If you would not be forgotten
When your body's dead and rotten
Then write of great deeds worth the reading
Or do the great deeds worth repeating
-- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac
--
Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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So, what would it take to get one of these puppys operational?
Parts and service? Does Ford stock them, will I be able to obtain parts?
Batteries? Do I have to use replacements from Ford or are there other
replacements readily available?
I am wanting an EV but I have no real knowledge as far as working or
debugging one. Would finding a donor car and having the local high school do
the conversion be a better option?
Thanks.
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From: "Shawn Waggoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:53 PM
Subject: RangerEVs on eBay
Broward County, FL (Ft. Lauderdale) has eleven EV Rangers they are going
to
be auctioning off. They tried to sell them once before on eBay, but had to
pull them due to their legal dept. Looks like they got the go-ahead and
have
them back up for auction.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7965775248
The fleet manager told me they will start one auction every 4 days. They
have on up now and will be starting another one on Thursday. There are a
total of eleven.
If anyone has any question, I might be able to help. I went down last time
to go look at them and took lots of pictures.
--
Shawn M. Waggoner
Florida Electric Auto Assoc.
http://www.floridaeaa.org
Custom Honda Electric Motorcycle 72V
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No telling. It could be as simple as a battery replacement. Or the
charger could be bad, or the controller, or any of 100 other things.
Realisticly, ev's are pretty reliable, so new batts and a bit of TLC may
be all that is required.
James
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 14:46, Robert Swofford wrote:
> So, what would it take to get one of these puppys operational?
>
> Parts and service? Does Ford stock them, will I be able to obtain parts?
>
> Batteries? Do I have to use replacements from Ford or are there other
> replacements readily available?
>
> I am wanting an EV but I have no real knowledge as far as working or
> debugging one. Would finding a donor car and having the local high school do
> the conversion be a better option?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shawn Waggoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:53 PM
> Subject: RangerEVs on eBay
>
>
> > Broward County, FL (Ft. Lauderdale) has eleven EV Rangers they are going
> to
> > be auctioning off. They tried to sell them once before on eBay, but had to
> > pull them due to their legal dept. Looks like they got the go-ahead and
> have
> > them back up for auction.
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7965775248
> >
> > The fleet manager told me they will start one auction every 4 days. They
> > have on up now and will be starting another one on Thursday. There are a
> > total of eleven.
> >
> > If anyone has any question, I might be able to help. I went down last time
> > to go look at them and took lots of pictures.
> >
> > --
> > Shawn M. Waggoner
> > Florida Electric Auto Assoc.
> > http://www.floridaeaa.org
> > Custom Honda Electric Motorcycle 72V
> >
> >
> >
>
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I just checked on these Rangers; apparently they are all the lead acid
variety. Which apparently could be a problem since the batteries are not
made anymore. Some odd voltage too like 8 volts or so.
Any ideas on how/if they can be made to work?
Chris
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