EV Digest 4260
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: pusher to electric
by "Andre' Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Wicked Watts Roll Call
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Wicked Watts Roll Call
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: pusher to electric
by James Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Max voltage for unloaded ADC 9
by Fortunat Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Dead Ranger EV on ebay
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Wicked Watts Roll Call
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: RangerEVs on eBay
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: pusher to electric
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: RangerEVs on eBay
by "Shawn Waggoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: RangerEVs on eBay
by "Shawn Waggoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: RangerEVs on eBay
by "Shawn Waggoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: 1-wheel pusher
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Avcon charge port needed for my new ranger
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
15) Re: Super deal on Lion Cells $450/KWH
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Curtis programming?
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: RangerEVs on eBay
by Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Wicked Watts Roll Call
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Was First drive..Beetle, now WiKi for Siemens
by Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: pusher to electric
by Fortunat Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Air conditioning alternative, ice powered.
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
22) Re: EVLN(Montana State University EV)
by "John Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Aero drag and VW fenders.
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: EVLN(Raser Power in EVS21 Formula Race Car)
by "John Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Aero drag and VW fenders.
by Seth Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: RangerEVs on eBay
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Nailed
by Seth Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: Aero drag and VW fenders.
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: RangerEVs
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
30) 4 dollar 36 - 72vdc 25 watt DC/DC converters
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
31) Re: RangerEVs on eBay
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
32) Re: Nailed
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
33) Re: Nailed
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
34) Re: BLAM!
by "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
35) Re: Nailed-Baldor motors
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
36) Re: Aero drag and VW fenders.
by "John Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
37) Re: Aero drag and VW fenders.
by Seth Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Put an outlet (inverter) on the Elec-Trak. You won't believe you ever got
along without it.
__________
Andre' B.
At 01:26 PM 4/5/2005, you wrote:
Unfortunately, I have to go cordless. My yard is 14 acres total, now I
don't mow all of that, but the parts I do mow, are not at all near an
outlet. I have a small orchard of about 20 trees. I can mow most of it
with the Elec-Trak, but the little bits need a push mower. Of course,
If I build my mower as a 36v system (which I am) I can make a cord to
run it off the elec-trak in the "really" remote areas.
James
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 13:29, Myles Twete wrote:
> > I want to make an electric mower also. I am tired of gas. One
> > prob I can see is getting it too heavy, and being unable to maneuver it,
> or
> > it sinking in softer ground. I can make a cover (5 gallon bucket?)
for the
> > motor and batts.
>
> So how important is cordless to you?
> I've been mowing our 20x40' lawn now with a 3HP Black and Decker cord
> electric mower for several years. You can pick these up dirt cheap used
> ($20-$80).
> Plug it in, let the grass fly!
> It takes awhile to get used to dragging the cord around, but it's not a
> pain.
>
> -Myles Twete, Portland, Or.
>
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Glad you can make it Gadget.
You may want to bring your welding helmet this time or bring several pairs
of sun glasses again. You never know when you may be needed.
Chip Gribben
NEDRA Webmaster
http://www.nedra.com
> From: Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Gadget and the mrs will be at the super 8 arriving
> thursday night.
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Great to have you join us Rush!!
Chip
NEDRA Webmaster
http://www.nedra.com
> Count me in also... just made a res at the Super 8 for Fri and Sat nights. I'm
> excited... great to
> be able to put faces to the names on the list and I know I'll learn a great
> deal. Hope you all don't
> mind my questions...
> see ya later...
>
> Thanks
>
> Rush Dougherty
> Tucson AZ
> www.ironandwood.org
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I'd purely love to. But I can't find one that works on 36v and gives a
reasonable wattage *AND* I can afford.
James.
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 15:06, Andre' Blanchard wrote:
> Put an outlet (inverter) on the Elec-Trak. You won't believe you ever got
> along without it.
> __________
> Andre' B.
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Hey list
what is the max voltage that you would feel
comforatble running through an unloaded ADC 9 incher.
I have run mine for extended periods on just 12 V, and
i know that is no problem, but is 24 ok ?
I just stuck 24 V worth of batteries in the back of
the fiero and would like to be able to drive it in and
out of the garage using the clutch. I want to make
sure I won't overspeed the motor.
so, what voltage is too high for an unloaded motor ?
thanks
~fortunat
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Bruce {EVangel} Parmenter
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That's great Larry. The more the merrier.
Chip Gribben
NEDRA Webmaster
http://www.nedra.com
>I am coming to watch the race . I am bringing a friend.I am trying to
>make an ever of him.
>Larry Cronk 72 Datsun ELEC TK
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Do you know what type of batteries are in these (PbA or NiMH)?
Avcon charger?
Any thoughts on parts and service availability?
Shawn Waggoner wrote:
Broward County, FL (Ft. Lauderdale) has eleven EV Rangers they are going to
be auctioning off. They tried to sell them once before on eBay, but had to
pull them due to their legal dept. Looks like they got the go-ahead and have
them back up for auction.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7965775248
The fleet manager told me they will start one auction every 4 days. They
have on up now and will be starting another one on Thursday. There are a
total of eleven.
If anyone has any question, I might be able to help. I went down last time
to go look at them and took lots of pictures.
--
Jim Coate
1970's Elec-Trak's
1998 Chevy S-10 NiMH BEV
1997 Chevy S-10 NGV Bi-Fuel
http://www.eeevee.com
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A friend of mine is in Iraq right now, and I mow his lawn with a corded
model. While I like the "Plug and Go" feature, maneuvering the cord is a
pain at times. I suppose it is just a matter of training oneself to avoid
it. The cord has weight also, believe it or not, and that adds to the
handling. I am still gathering info, and not ready to decide on cordless vs.
corded. MANDATORY EV CONTENT: This same friend bought a RoboMower, which had
to go back to the factory for repair. I was thinking of installing a seat...
David C. Wilker Jr. USAF (RET)
Children need love, especially when they do not deserve it.
- Harold S.
Hulbert
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From: "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: RE: pusher to electric
I want to make an electric mower also. I am tired of gas. One
prob I can see is getting it too heavy, and being unable to maneuver it,
or
it sinking in softer ground. I can make a cover (5 gallon bucket?) for
the
motor and batts.
So how important is cordless to you?
I've been mowing our 20x40' lawn now with a 3HP Black and Decker cord
electric mower for several years. You can pick these up dirt cheap used
($20-$80).
Plug it in, let the grass fly!
It takes awhile to get used to dragging the cord around, but it's not a
pain.
-Myles Twete, Portland, Or.
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Yes, they are all 8V. Some Ford dealers can still get the batteries.
--
Shawn M. Waggoner
Florida Electric Auto Assoc.
http://www.floridaeaa.org
Custom Honda Electric Motorcycle 72V
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Christopher Zach
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: RangerEVs on eBay
I just checked on these Rangers; apparently they are all the lead acid
variety. Which apparently could be a problem since the batteries are not
made anymore. Some odd voltage too like 8 volts or so.
Any ideas on how/if they can be made to work?
Chris
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Most all of the Rangers were all in working order prior to being to being
pulled from service due to the battery condition.
As a minimum, they would all need new batteries. There are two options on
the batteries: buy a new pack from Ford (if you can get them) - that'll cost
near $15K, plus labor (yours or theirs). The second option would be to
redesign the pack and connections to use aftermarket batteries. The second
option would take lots of work and redesign as Ford has overly integrated
the pack and onboard control systems.
Other than that, I believe they all come with chargers (Avcon).
Hope that helps.
--
Shawn M. Waggoner
Florida Electric Auto Assoc.
http://www.floridaeaa.org
Custom Honda Electric Motorcycle 72V
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Robert Swofford
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:46 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: RangerEVs on eBay
So, what would it take to get one of these puppys operational?
Parts and service? Does Ford stock them, will I be able to obtain parts?
Batteries? Do I have to use replacements from Ford or are there other
replacements readily available?
I am wanting an EV but I have no real knowledge as far as working or
debugging one. Would finding a donor car and having the local high school do
the conversion be a better option?
Thanks.
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From: "Shawn Waggoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:53 PM
Subject: RangerEVs on eBay
> Broward County, FL (Ft. Lauderdale) has eleven EV Rangers they are going
to
> be auctioning off. They tried to sell them once before on eBay, but had to
> pull them due to their legal dept. Looks like they got the go-ahead and
have
> them back up for auction.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7965775248
>
> The fleet manager told me they will start one auction every 4 days. They
> have on up now and will be starting another one on Thursday. There are a
> total of eleven.
>
> If anyone has any question, I might be able to help. I went down last time
> to go look at them and took lots of pictures.
>
> --
> Shawn M. Waggoner
> Florida Electric Auto Assoc.
> http://www.floridaeaa.org
> Custom Honda Electric Motorcycle 72V
>
>
>
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As Chris Zach said, they are all PbA as far as I know and do include the
Avcon charger.
--
Shawn M. Waggoner
Florida Electric Auto Assoc.
http://www.floridaeaa.org
Custom Honda Electric Motorcycle 72V
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jim Coate
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: RangerEVs on eBay
Do you know what type of batteries are in these (PbA or NiMH)?
Avcon charger?
Any thoughts on parts and service availability?
Shawn Waggoner wrote:
> Broward County, FL (Ft. Lauderdale) has eleven EV Rangers they are going
to
> be auctioning off. They tried to sell them once before on eBay, but had to
> pull them due to their legal dept. Looks like they got the go-ahead and
have
> them back up for auction.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7965775248
>
> The fleet manager told me they will start one auction every 4 days. They
> have on up now and will be starting another one on Thursday. There are a
> total of eleven.
>
> If anyone has any question, I might be able to help. I went down last time
> to go look at them and took lots of pictures.
>
--
Jim Coate
1970's Elec-Trak's
1998 Chevy S-10 NiMH BEV
1997 Chevy S-10 NGV Bi-Fuel
http://www.eeevee.com
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I also thought of this as a lightweight pusher. The issues/
concerns I saw to resolve were:
- the weight normally on the front wheel would now be put on the
tow hitch
- the cc displacement would have to be large to push a heavy EV.
Perhaps a 4 cylinder to reduce vibration. Or one of the smooth
running BMW bikes.
- using biodiesel is out, but CNG is possible. LP is not as clean,
but possible too. Perhaps a bi-fuel system using gasoline in a
pinch.
- I would want to also have the ability to use the pusher as a
stand alone genset with at least a 1kW output.
- a larger fuel tank would be needed for the higher fuel con-
sumption & a longer run time
- a quieter exhaust system for both running behind the EV, and
when used as a stand alone genset
- some sort of portable front stand would have to be made for
when it is not mounted on the tow hitch
- lastly a cool cowling to make it aerodynamic and quieter (throw
all the noise behind the vehicle)
But in my case, I have no garage to make one. I would have to find
someone to build it, and then first earn the money they quote it
would cost.
-Bruce
<<<
From: Evan Tuer
Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 2:56 pm
Subject: 1-wheel pusher
An idea came to me while I was towing my new EV home, after having
just been for a tour of Paul Compton's motorcycle collection.
A pusher Bike! It would be ideal for moving an EV long distance,
as in delivering or collecting it. You would remove the front
wheel,
and bolt the forks up to a pivoting bracket that straps on to the
rear bumper with the motorcycle steering providing the longitudinal
axis for going around corners. It would provide assistance after
you get the car up to cruising speed using its electric drive.
You need a remote control with: ignition switch, clutch switch and
throttle pot, and corresponding relay, actuator and servo on the
controls of the bike.
Leave the bike in 4th or some suitable gear, and when you reach
60-65mph, turn on the ignition, turn on the clutch switch and wait
for it to fire up, and then turn up the throttle until you no
longer need power from the EV's battery. For steep hills, use the
EV's [accellerator] pedal to help. If you have regen, this can be
used to control the speed going down hills, and regain some energy
to the battery.
I guess a pretty powerful, probably watercooled bike would be
needed. but apart from that, can anyone see any glaringly obvious
problems?
>>>
Bruce {EVangel} Parmenter
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<< There is already a receptal on the car which has 3 large wires 220 an grd.
Then there are 3 other small wires.Does the ford emulator talk to these small
wires?Can any ford dealer get these?Are there service manuals avaible? Dennis
Berube >>
The little wires *may* have something to do with the emulator, but I don't know.
Never saw a service manual for the charger, and doubt there is much tech support
at Ford, but maybe other Ranger owners know - Ford stole mine away, so I'm going
by memory. Might want to snipe that Avcon wall unit on eBay!
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keep in mind you absolutely need fabrication date code because these cell
degrade themselves losing quickly capacity after 3 to 5 years (max calendar
life)
Philippe
Et si le pot d'�chappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les v�hicules �lectriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:19 PM
Subject: Super deal on Lion Cells $450/KWH
> Ok folks, I thought some of you might be interested in these cells:
> http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G14948
>
> 3.7V 1.2A $2 ea.
>
> Probably be good for a cheap scooter/e-bike project or if someone is
> REALLY industrius they could build a full size EV pack ala T-zero.
>
> The cells weight 38 gr each, so a 10kwh EV pack would weigh less than 200
> lbs and cost about $4500.
>
> Assuming, of course, that Electronic Goldmine has that many cells.
>
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i have the curtis PC software and special serial connection cable but you
will make nothing without it because there is a big electronic circuit
inside (protection dongle)
I have too the handheld curtis programmer and it is available to OEM though
expensive.
Philippe
Et si le pot d'�chappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
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Forum de discussion sur les v�hicules �lectriques
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From: "Duncan Orthner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:30 PM
Subject: Curtis programming?
>
> Hello all,
>
> I've been lurking here for a while and I finally have a
> question. I've been building small mobility two and three wheeled EV's for
> the last couple of years and I'm bracing myself to take the plunge and
> build something road ready. Anyrate, here's my question:
>
> Has anyone in the EV community reverse engineered the curtis programming
> protocol? I'd like access to all the OEM level features in my 1228's. But
> my local Curtis distributor says the software supporting this is only
> available to companies purchasing 10K type quantities of controllers. He
> also says it's a liability issue.
>
> This has been a major stumbling block for me already and I'm
hesitant
> to embark on a larger project with a Curtis controller. Last year I
> borrowed a handheld curtis programmer from a local scooter service guy but
> apparently these aren't available for purchase either.
>
> All input appreciated, Duncan
>
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Do you know what type of cells they used? Gel,sla,AGM
flooded... and how many?
Gadget
--- Shawn Waggoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As Chris Zach said, they are all PbA as far as I
> know and do include the
> Avcon charger.
>
> --
> Shawn M. Waggoner
> Florida Electric Auto Assoc.
> http://www.floridaeaa.org
> Custom Honda Electric Motorcycle 72V
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jim Coate
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:25 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: RangerEVs on eBay
>
> Do you know what type of batteries are in these (PbA
> or NiMH)?
> Avcon charger?
> Any thoughts on parts and service availability?
>
>
> Shawn Waggoner wrote:
> > Broward County, FL (Ft. Lauderdale) has eleven EV
> Rangers they are going
> to
> > be auctioning off. They tried to sell them once
> before on eBay, but had to
> > pull them due to their legal dept. Looks like they
> got the go-ahead and
> have
> > them back up for auction.
> >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7965775248
> >
> > The fleet manager told me they will start one
> auction every 4 days. They
> > have on up now and will be starting another one on
> Thursday. There are a
> > total of eleven.
> >
> > If anyone has any question, I might be able to
> help. I went down last time
> > to go look at them and took lots of pictures.
> >
>
> --
> Jim Coate
> 1970's Elec-Trak's
> 1998 Chevy S-10 NiMH BEV
> 1997 Chevy S-10 NGV Bi-Fuel
> http://www.eeevee.com
>
>
visit my website at www.reverendgadget.com
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David,
Sorry to hear you won't make it. My condolences to your family.
Chip
NEDRA Webmaster
http://www.nedra.com
> From: David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I was looking forward to watching and racing. Unfortunately I need to
> go a funeral instead now.
>
> If someone still needs a room, we just released ours at Super8.
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You could use the wiki at www.evproduction.org. The primary purpose
is for the evproduction list, which is a smaller group trying to put
an EV into production, but a few extra EV-related pages there won't
hurt anything. Please try to choose very specific titles for the
pages (e.g. "Siemens q3465143251 controller" not just "controller").
On Apr 5, 2005 10:03 AM, Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It sure would be a great idea...
>
> Maybe it could also be expanded to encompass more. As a newcomer I
have about 100 links in my
> favorites and then about a zillion files on my computer that have
information that I think is
> important. It would be great to be able to go to a central location
and get lots o info.
>
> It would also be a grrrrreeat FAQ for the beginner as is being
discussed in another thread.
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speaking of these little gel cell batteries : what is
the proper end of charge voltage for a 12 V gel cell ?
is it the same as a flooded battery ?
My pushmower's (Singer) built in charger is no more so
I have been using a dc power supply to charge but i
don't really know what voltage i should be using. I
have been estimating about 28.5 V for the 24 V pack.
am i close ?
thanks
~fortunat
--- Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> > I want to make an electric mower also. I am tired
> of gas. One prob
> > I can see is getting it too heavy, and being
> unable to maneuver it,
> > or it sinking in softer ground.
>
> The answer to this is to have two battery packs,
> which are easy to
> replace. Install one pack and mow while the other is
> on the charger.
> When the one on the mower runs down, swap packs.
> --
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> When your body's dead and rotten
> Then write of great deeds worth the reading
> Or do the great deeds worth repeating
> -- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac
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> leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
>
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I just stumbled on this while surfing the web.
It is a replacement lid for a cooler with a fan built in.
Quoting the web page's text:
" Simply fill your Igloo 25 quart or Coleman 28 Quart cooler with ice, insert
KoolerAire just inside the top, plug in the car 12 Volt adapter plug ..."
http://www.roshgo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=rc01/CTGY/00408
I once calculated that ice had heat absorbing density that lead-acid batteries
running an air conditioner. However, the "self-discharge" rate is terrible,
unless you put a whole lot of insulation around it.
"Mad" Mike
maybe not on the cutting edge, but definately on some edge...
P.S. individual people sized ones, maybe one vest per passenger:
http://tech.inel.gov/documents/Pics/Picsfactsheet.pdf
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bruce parmenter quoted from article:
>The vehicle is "cool," eighth-grade student Tom Hargrove
>said.
>But as a young man partial to speed, he wouldn't want
>one.
Someone needs to show this brat Blue Meanie, White Zombie,
California Poppy, Maniac Mazda, KAZ, Eliica, the TZero, and
many others! An EV would seem right up his alley with all
its "low-end torque". :-)
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Hi Lawrence and All,
--- Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Could a gain (lower) in CD be achieved by using
> seperated or no fenders on
> the front wheels of a VW?
Probably but should take off the rear one too then
just us a short top fender to replace them. The front
parts of the stock fenders are ok if bent inward some
so not so wise, it's the rear parts that hurt aero.
But you still have the widsheild that is a bigger
drag on it. Best is just accept it as it is and not go
over 45mph much or for long. Great as an around town
EV.
HTH's,
Jerry Dycus
> Lawrence Rhodes
> Bassoon/Contrabassoon
> Reedmaker
> Book 4/5 doubler
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bruce parmenter wrote:
>The Symetron(TM) motor powering this race car is about
>the same
>dimensions as the electric motor in the Toyota Prius
>hybrid
>vehicle which combines an electric motor with a
>combustion
>engine. Raser's motor technology, however, will drive
>a Formula
>race car entirely on its own, delivering 420 ft.-lbs.
>of torque,
>and is capable of 500 hp without the help of a
>combustion engine.
>Participating in the event will be dignitaries from
>the country
>of Monaco, the Electric Vehicle Symposium and
>international
>media.
Could you imagine this system in say, a Factory Five Shelby
Daytona Coupe replica, with 30 Orbitals?
3000 pound weight, 0-60 ~ 3 seconds, 80-100 miles range, top
speed 200+, and low 11s in the quarter or under. Yummy...
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No. Leave the fenders on. A spinning wheel induces alot of drag.
Look at an Insight as an example. Nearly smooth front wheels and the
rears are covered as much as possible.
Seth
On Apr 5, 2005, at 7:23 PM, jerry dycus wrote:
Hi Lawrence and All,
--- Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Could a gain (lower) in CD be achieved by using
seperated or no fenders on
the front wheels of a VW?
Probably but should take off the rear one too then
just us a short top fender to replace them. The front
parts of the stock fenders are ok if bent inward some
so not so wise, it's the rear parts that hurt aero.
But you still have the widsheild that is a bigger
drag on it. Best is just accept it as it is and not go
over 45mph much or for long. Great as an around town
EV.
HTH's,
Jerry Dycus
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
415-821-3519
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Yes. Since these are trucks it would be easy to modify the battery boxes
and put flooded or Exide batteries. Probably sealed. Flooded might make it
a bit porky. LR........
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From: "Christopher Zach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: RangerEVs on eBay
I just checked on these Rangers; apparently they are all the lead acid
variety. Which apparently could be a problem since the batteries are not
made anymore. Some odd voltage too like 8 volts or so.
Any ideas on how/if they can be made to work?
Chris
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But you weren't nailed by 36V, you were nailed by probably a hundred or
more. I have done a similar thing on my E-15 ( I learn slowly) and it
would do it every time. Someone else was moving the speed selector, I
was checking the motor I had re-brushed. I would hear a contactor
click, then feel my head bounce off the underside of the tractor...
Like I said, I learn slowly. But it is more than 36V, that's for
certain. A big, one pulse boost converter trying to re-sync *MY* pulse!
Seth
On Apr 4, 2005, at 10:51 PM, Christopher Zach wrote:
Well, it happened sooner than later. I got nailed by my Elec-Trak.
Shocked on the left hand, and quite painful.
Why you might ask? An Elec-trak is only 36 volts. And we all know that
36 volts is safe...
Well, I was checking the temp of one of the shunts in the tractor.
It's an exposed copper strip that was getting very warm under full
load. So I put my hand in the unit and felt the temp with my finger
while bringing the tractor up to speed. Then I cut the power to the
motor.
*WHAM*
Felt like my hand was bitten. I pulled back; damn it hurt.
What appears to have happened was that when I stopped the motor my
hand was touching the shunt strip and one of the contactors. My guess
is the transition of motor from on to off created a big EMF voltage
spike either in the field or the armature, right thru CZ's hand.
Moral of the story? You can be bitten by 36 volts. I take precautions
on the Prizm's pack (never pull pack out without first subdividing it
into 60 volt segments *BEFORE* it comes out, all paths to the pack
isolated, always use gloves, never reaching over the pack, etc)
however this serves that one can even get bitten on something as
innocent as an E20.
Chris
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Hi Seth and All,
--- Seth Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No. Leave the fenders on. A spinning wheel induces
> alot of drag.
Not as much drag as those fenders! What it will do
is create a smaller wind shadow behind it so larger
vortexes, thus drag, don't come from the rear of the
fenders.
But best overall is just don't drive it fast as it
is not designed for it, fenders or not!
With much smaller fenders he'd get another 3 or so
mph at a given amp draw.
>
> Look at an Insight as an example. Nearly smooth
> front wheels and the
> rears are covered as much as possible.
Do they jut out of the body like the bugs do? Then
you can't compare them.
The Insight's wheels are at the edge of the body
where the VW is in about 2"+ and there is no rear
fender aero problem on the Insight is there?
If he wants to go over 50 mph he needs to find
another donor to convert. No?
HTH's,
Jerry Dycus
>
> Seth
> On Apr 5, 2005, at 7:23 PM, jerry dycus wrote:
>
> > Hi Lawrence and All,
> > --- Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Could a gain (lower) in CD be achieved by using
> >> seperated or no fenders on
> >> the front wheels of a VW?
> >
> > Probably but should take off the rear one too
> then
> > just us a short top fender to replace them. The
> front
> > parts of the stock fenders are ok if bent inward
> some
> > so not so wise, it's the rear parts that hurt
> aero.
> > But you still have the widsheild that is a
> bigger
> > drag on it. Best is just accept it as it is and
> not go
> > over 45mph much or for long. Great as an around
> town
> > EV.
> >
> > HTH's,
> > Jerry Dycus
> >> Lawrence Rhodes
> >> Bassoon/Contrabassoon
> >> Reedmaker
> >> Book 4/5 doubler
> >> Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> 415-821-3519
> >>
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Well I got into the HV dc pack and found 196 volts (it should be at least
312) about 5 volts per 8 volt battery.We all know this is not good.Rich Rudman
is sending me a avcon charger,hopefully I will be able to just move the truck
to tell if all systems are ok.Since this is an oddly shaped pack possible 2
strings of 8 volt 25ah hawker cyclone blocks would fit.That way the existing
bms
could be used. Dennis Berube
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Picked up a couple of 25 watt DC/DC converters from Excess solutions. They
also have a lot of heatshrink tubing and wire. LR......
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
Yes. Since these are trucks it would be easy to modify the battery
boxes and put flooded or Exide batteries. Probably sealed. Flooded
might make it a bit porky. LR........
Sorta; they're 8 volt batteries and each one has telemetry to the main
computer. Why in God's name Ford went with something like that is beyond
me. I suppose you could use 8v GC batteries, but that would be really
weird. However there was a suppestion to just use cyclones in 8 volt
strings. That could work (but el-expensive and you would probably want 3
strings not two)
Chris
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I've been 'nailed' by 24, 36 and 48V on my controls at
work. Usually a through hole or other component that
pierces the skin makes this much easier.
I'm not real carefull with the low voltage controls,
so this explains the low voltage 'wake up and pay
attention' events. 200+ volts on a charged capacitor
in the TEVan charger is another story, been zapped by
that also. When I worked on 230Vac and 460Vac
inverter drives at Baldor my outlook on safety
proceedures changed considerably. Never zapped by
those drives during development, but had an IGBT blow
up in my face (10" away). So, don't forget the safety
glasses!!!
Rod
--- Seth Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But you weren't nailed by 36V, you were nailed by
> probably a hundred or
> more. I have done a similar thing on my E-15 ( I
> learn slowly) and it
> would do it every time. Someone else was moving the
> speed selector, I
> was checking the motor I had re-brushed. I would
> hear a contactor
> click, then feel my head bounce off the underside of
> the tractor...
>
> Like I said, I learn slowly. But it is more than
> 36V, that's for
> certain. A big, one pulse boost converter trying to
> re-sync *MY* pulse!
>
> Seth
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 4, 2005, at 10:51 PM, Christopher Zach wrote:
>
> > Well, it happened sooner than later. I got nailed
> by my Elec-Trak.
> > Shocked on the left hand, and quite painful.
> >
> > Why you might ask? An Elec-trak is only 36 volts.
> And we all know that
> > 36 volts is safe...
> >
> > Well, I was checking the temp of one of the shunts
> in the tractor.
> > It's an exposed copper strip that was getting very
> warm under full
> > load. So I put my hand in the unit and felt the
> temp with my finger
> > while bringing the tractor up to speed. Then I cut
> the power to the
> > motor.
> >
> > *WHAM*
> >
> > Felt like my hand was bitten. I pulled back; damn
> it hurt.
> >
> > What appears to have happened was that when I
> stopped the motor my
> > hand was touching the shunt strip and one of the
> contactors. My guess
> > is the transition of motor from on to off created
> a big EMF voltage
> > spike either in the field or the armature, right
> thru CZ's hand.
> >
> > Moral of the story? You can be bitten by 36 volts.
> I take precautions
> > on the Prizm's pack (never pull pack out without
> first subdividing it
> > into 60 volt segments *BEFORE* it comes out, all
> paths to the pack
> > isolated, always use gloves, never reaching over
> the pack, etc)
> > however this serves that one can even get bitten
> on something as
> > innocent as an E20.
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
>
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Rod Hower wrote:
> When I worked on 230Vac and 460Vac
> inverter drives at Baldor
What was it like working there?
Do they make any AC motors that would just be IDEAL in an EV?
http://www.baldor.com/
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I must have missed that attachment.
Tim I will contact you off list.
Thanks
Mike G.
Rush wrote:
Tim sent the manuals to us in an email, 2 manuals, both about 1.2 meg each. If you want I can
forward them to you. let me know
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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From: "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: BLAM!
Does anybody have a link to the pdf file for the bb600?
Mike G.
I have batteries but no charger .
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In my 'biased' opinion, Baldor makes the best motors
US money can buy. Most of them are built in the US
and they have top notch manufacturing equipment.
Another interesting note is that the CEO and top
stockholder lives in a modest house (I drove past his
house in Arkansas while I worked there). He drove a
Cadillac that was 5 years old when I left Baldor.
Bottom line is this guy was more concerned with the
success of the company and his employees than his
personal fortune (very rare in this time and age!).
Keep in mind that Baldor makes 'industrial motors'
that are not optimized for EV operation. Keeping this
in mind they have high voltage spike resistant
windings on the invertor duty motors and balance them
for high speed operation, so I would think they will
work quite well for EV's.
These are just opinions, I have a sepex GE DC motor in
my TEVan, but some day I might install a Baldor if
this system craps out.
Rod
--- Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Rod Hower wrote:
> > When I worked on 230Vac and 460Vac
> > inverter drives at Baldor
>
> What was it like working there?
>
> Do they make any AC motors that would just be IDEAL
> in an EV?
>
> http://www.baldor.com/
>
>
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jerry dycus wrote:
>If he wants to go over 50 mph he needs to find
>another donor to convert. No?
Nope. Just a new body. Manta Montage? Dalhems Spydermania?
Aztec? Porsche Spyder, 911, Speedster, or 959 replica?
Sterling? Avante GT? Auriga? Avenger? Invader GT? Jamaican?
Kelmark?
So many lighter choices that have such small frontal area,
and could be made to have exceptional aerodynamics with some
modifications. All attach nicely to a VW Bug.
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I can only tell you what I was taught. When I built my car model for
the wind tunnel at school, we didn't have a rolling road, so I can't
tell you I have measured it firsthand. But that's what I remember being
taught. And that's free advice from a voice on the internet, worth what
you paid for it.
Seth
On Apr 5, 2005, at 8:44 PM, jerry dycus wrote:
Hi Seth and All,
--- Seth Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No. Leave the fenders on. A spinning wheel induces
alot of drag.
Not as much drag as those fenders! What it will do
is create a smaller wind shadow behind it so larger
vortexes, thus drag, don't come from the rear of the
fenders.
But best overall is just don't drive it fast as it
is not designed for it, fenders or not!
With much smaller fenders he'd get another 3 or so
mph at a given amp draw.
Look at an Insight as an example. Nearly smooth
front wheels and the
rears are covered as much as possible.
Do they jut out of the body like the bugs do? Then
you can't compare them.
The Insight's wheels are at the edge of the body
where the VW is in about 2"+ and there is no rear
fender aero problem on the Insight is there?
If he wants to go over 50 mph he needs to find
another donor to convert. No?
HTH's,
Jerry Dycus
Seth
On Apr 5, 2005, at 7:23 PM, jerry dycus wrote:
Hi Lawrence and All,
--- Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Could a gain (lower) in CD be achieved by using
seperated or no fenders on
the front wheels of a VW?
Probably but should take off the rear one too
then
just us a short top fender to replace them. The
front
parts of the stock fenders are ok if bent inward
some
so not so wise, it's the rear parts that hurt
aero.
But you still have the widsheild that is a
bigger
drag on it. Best is just accept it as it is and
not go
over 45mph much or for long. Great as an around
town
EV.
HTH's,
Jerry Dycus
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
415-821-3519
__________________________________
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