EV Digest 4317
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Plasma Boy Racing News!
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Curtis 1204 has almost beaten me.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) More Plasma Boy Racing News
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) TdS Report #17: Team Profile: Quebec Advanced Transportation Institute
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
5) TdS Report #18: Photos - ITAQ Smart Biodiesel
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
6) Seattle Alt/EV Rally & Newby Questions(tm)
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
7) RE: A few battery charger ideas
by "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: More Plasma Boy Racing News
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Motor Choke Question?
by Marvin Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: More Plasma Boy Racing News
by Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Motor Choke Question?
by Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: More Plasma Boy Racing News
by John Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) RE: Plasma Boy Racing News!
by "Steve Marks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Searching for cup rotor
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: More Plasma Boy Racing News
by John Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Fwd: [BMBB] Norwalk, CT ABB-EV Attempts 300mph May 5 !!
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
17) probably need new shocks/springs (struts) on the VoltsRabbit, also
drilling polypro
by "Chuck Hursch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Motor Choke Question?
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) RE: Motor Choke Question?
by "Jamie Marshall \(GAMES\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) RE: Contactor controller, Was:RE: Mechanical PWM Controllers
by Justin Southam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hello to All,
Back on 4-12 I wrote:
>Stay tuned for Friday's announcement of a lighter, higher voltage, higher
>powered White Zombie.
Well, Friday came and went, then a second Friday came and went...oh well, lots
of out of
town fork lift work, family stuff, and well, life in general. I also had to
wait to see
just how something was going to turn out before I made this announcement.
Anyway...drum
roll please....
White Zombie has a new battery sponsor. It's a name that used to be synonymous
with White Zombie
and it's one that is still attached to the SC/A class record set back in 2000
with a 13.1
@ 99 mph run. Though I still have a strong relationship with Exide (read on),
my street
legal tire burner is getting its power ratcheted up once again, but this time,
it's
dropping 400 lbs. in the process!
I'm pleased to announce that I've received full battery sponsorship from Hawker
and their newest
division 'Hawker AeroBatteries' for White Zombie! The car will drop 350-400
lbs. of weight
(compared to the current 288V version sitting in my shop) and should gain extra
hp!! I'm using
the Hawker AeroBatteries model AB 29, a 24 lb. 12V AGM with a short circuit
current of
2400 amps. With just 672 lbs. of batteries and with about 50-60 lbs. in other
weight
savings (the lighter Siamese 8 motor, the aluminum drive line, etc.), the new
336V White
Zombie will weigh about 200 lbs. less than the 240V Exide powered version that
ran 12.99 @
101 mph last May. With more hp and higher revving ability on tap, a
vibrationless drive
train, a free turning rear axle setup (brake drag has been eliminated), and ~
2300 lb.
curb weight, the car should run mid to low 12's this year at terminal speeds in
the
107-110 mph area.
With a 336V, 29 ahr pack, White Zombie will still be driven to and from the
track and
should have a street driving range of around 30 miles per charge. The second
higher
positioned battery rack at the rear of the trunk will be eliminated, as it is
no longer
needed, freeing up space in the trunk. This will help clean up the overall look
of the car.
Once again, Rich 'MadMan' Rudman has stepped up to help this year, as Manzanita
Micro is providing
a BMS for the new 28 module 336V battery pack to keep the new Hawker
AeroBatteries in balance.
The new Hawker / Hawker AeroBatteries sponsorship, sponsorship from High Torque
Electric...my
expert electric motor buddy Jim Husted's shop, sponsorship from Dutchman
Motorsports,
sponsorship from Cafe Electric, and sponsorship from Manzanita Micro, are all
very much
appreciated.
Exide batteries has also stepped up this year, so stay tuned for more Plasma
Boy Racing
news to be announced.
See Ya...John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
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Should read: the switch to the controller clicks (turns on) while the pot
ohms are near
0. LR>...
The KSI must sense pack voltage to turn on. This is controlled by a safety
switch on the pot box. The pot box arm usually runs a switch that is
normally closed or open (you have the option). When the arm moves it (opens
or closes the switch)completes the circuit. (can be rigged open or closed)
Gives voltage to the controller and makes 0 to 5k ohms to run the
controller. The typical switch has an arm with a small roller on it. When
you hear the click it switches. This switch usually has three
connections.NO & NC. Pick the one that works for the setup. The wrong
wiring could cause your problem. Opening the circuit when you want to close
it. LR>..........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu or Jan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: Curtis 1204 has almost beaten me.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Curtis 1204 has almost beaten me.
This little imp can cause a lot of trouble. If the pot arm stays on it
too
long(this means you are useing it to carry the key voltage) it will give
the
pack voltage to the controller when the pot is reading too high and the
safety kicks in. I rebuilt a controller because of this once. Make sure
the switch on the controller clicks (turns on) while the pot ohms are near
0. LR>...
Wait, wait! Are you saying that you just tickle the #1 terminal with B+
to
start it up and then release the voltage?
I am building a hybrid trike and I am not using anything 'conventional'
except the Curtis controller. The pot is a Radio Shack linear 10 k.
I am attempting to build a leaning hybrid trike. It could easily be
converted into a non-leaning tribrid. Pedal, gas, electric.
See:
http://www.visforvoltage.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=35&t=1772&s=19f59d7fa
142e56e07be0b628e07ca8a
or http://tinyurl.com/92cdc
for some initial parts layout.
BoyntonStu
...........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Curtis 1204 has almost beaten me.
Looks like he has that jumpered out. That's the safety switch.
Normally
it carries the key signal. When the pot is at zero it also switches off
the pack voltage to the controller. LR.......
http://www.electroauto.com/catalog/potbox.shtml
How about that "feature" that won't let the controller turn on if the
pot box is not all the way in the off position?
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Hello to All,
There's a saying, 'when it rains, it pours'...this an appropriate statement to
describe
the way things are falling into place for me this year. I think pretty much
everyone knows
that Exide Batteries helped make it possible for White Zombie to be the first
street legal
electric car to break 100 mph in the 1/4 mile, and, to crack the 12's,
sponsorship I very
much appreciate. The 40 lb. Orbital Blue Top 12V AGMs never once failed under
the extreme
duty they were subjected to...read that 2500+ amps at the switch-over 'hit the
button'
mode. This year, my relationship with Exide continues. The batteries are
destined for
Purple Phaze and Blue Meanie.
Exide has provided me with a fresh pallet of 60 Blue Top Orbitals. Unlike the
last time I
received a pallet of batteries where it took lots of muscle and trips back and
forth from
the back of my work service truck down to my backyard EV shop packing battery
after
battery, this year I simply used my electric forklift, slipped the forks under
the pallet,
then took the whole thing at once into the shop...way cool! The little Hyster
J30BS 24V
lift truck didn't even break a sweat lifting the 2400+ lb. load.
Finally, the 204V Blue Meanie upgrade is underway. 17 of the Exides and a Zilla
Z1K
controller will pump up the muscle of my favorite EV, and, extend its light
duty range of
25 miles, to 30-35 miles. Leaving the 156V level behind, it's time for my super
dependable, super powerful DCP Raptor 1200 controller to go. Anyone wishing to
own a piece
of Blue Meanie and desiring to have a huge EV grin plastered to his face, the
first $1500
takes it away. This controller is one of the early models that delivers on its
1200 amp
promise, and sold new for $2300 or so. It's in near immaculate condition, save
for a wear
mark on the cover where the 9 inch ADC was a bit too close and rubbed through
the finish a
bit.
Purple Phaze is becoming a very exciting project! With all the new Orbitals on
hand,
something snapped in my brain. I've decided to go after Rod Wilde's Maniac
Mazda class
MC/A world record of 12.07 @ 110 mph, with a 348V, Zilla powered, wrinkle wall
equipped,
13" variable timed motor fed Datsun minitruck! I may be waking up a sleeping
giant here,
and if we get close to achieving this, Maniac Mazda might come after us to put
us in our
place, but I do think it's possible to take the crown away with what I've got
planned. As
to Rod's killer class MC/B run with the same machine at 11.2 @ 108 mph...well,
that one's
going to be safe for quite a while.
Oh, did I say 'Zilla powered'? You heard that right. I'm very excited to
announce that
Otmar and I, as we've done in the past, are once again collaborating. Cafe
Electric has
stepped up to sponsor the Purple Phaze project with a 2000 amp Zilla Z2K
controller. Doing
the math, 29 Exide Orbitals loaded down to 7.2V per module at 2000 amps (per
Rudman's load
testing), comes in at a whopping 417.6 KW, or 560 hp from the battery
pack...yeah, I'll
take that.
The four man crew that will be behind the Purple Phaze project will be myself,
driver and
codesigner Tim Brehm, Rich 'Mad Man' Rudman, and Jim Husted of High Torque
Electric.
Others are helping as well, including Otmar and Father Time, the latter who's
making
custom aluminum motor pieces. Rudman will be used extensively for his expertise
in all
things battery charging-battery management, and will be very helpful in the
work with the
variable brush timing on the monster 13" motor.
We will take the project through planned steps. The first goal, is a 156V
version with a
single string of 13 Orbitals. The MC/D record stands at 18.2 @ 71.86 mph...that
should go
bye-bye pretty quickly, as I expect the truck to run a mid 14 at this level.
Getting a world record for Exide is job number one. Then, it's on to the full
blown crazy
stuff at the 417 KW level.
Looking forward to a fun electric drag racing season....
See Ya......John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
If one has three Zillas, is that called a Tri-Zilla?
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TdS Report #17: Team Profile: Quebec Advanced Transportation Institute
The last time the Tour de Sol had an entrant from Quebec was in 1994, when the
University of Quebec Design Department brought a very unusual entrant.
This year Quebec's Advanced Transportation Institute (ITAQ) has an entry which
is unusual in the United States, but finding acceptance in Europe and now
Canada, that shows the provincial and Canadian commitment to the same mission as
the Tour de Sol.
Director of Research and Development Hugo Marsolais has provided information:
"Our Institute (ITAQ) is a new one. Basically our mandate is to promote the
emergence in Quebec of an advanced transportation center of excellence by
helping local industries with Research and Design (R&D) services, technology
transfer and training. We also work to inform on the general public through
special events on the theme of sustainable transportation.
"Good achievements so far:
- A 6 M$ advanced transportation lab, unique in Canada. It provides
appropriate R&D tools to Quebec and Canadian researchers.
- We were the spark plug for the creation of an EV company in the Laurentians.
http://www.nev-nemo.com
- Partnership with the ITS (Institute of Transportation Studies) of the
University of California - Davis
- Representation to the Quebec government to promote biodiesel: the result
(announced in last week's budget) is a 100% tax return for public
transportation fleets (buses).
- We will also manage all the R&D aspect of a new EVs : the next generation of
the ZENN of Feel Good Cars.
http://www.FeelGoodCars.com
- Technology transfer of the CHEC-HFI (Canadian Hydrogen Energy Company -
Hydrogen Fuel Injection) products in Quebec and training of certified
installation centers - Hydrogen injection for heavy-duty truck and buses.
http://www.globaltech.ca
"We start this year with the Tour de Sol in a `humble' manner, with only one
car. But what a car! A Smart Fortwo Cabriolet that will run on biodiesel made
from recycled vegetable oil and animal fat. This is production car that has no
modifications.
http://www.Smart.com
http://www.Rothsay.ca/montreal.html
"We hope next year to come with more advanced vehicles, which some would be
custom built by our students and teachers."
Truly yours,
Hugo Marsolais, ing.
Directeur R&D
Institut du transport avance du Quebec
http://www.cstj.qc.ca/itaq
I'm not sure being a "spark plug for the creation of an EV company" is the
correct metaphor, but we know what you mean Hugo.
Their car, the 2005 SMART Biodiesel runs on B20 (20% biodiesel), and will be
driving to the Tour from Quebec as part of the Monte Carlo rally.
- - - -
The complete set of Tour de Sol Reports for 2005 can be found at:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2005
The complete set of past Tour de Sol Reports can be found at:
http://www.FovealSystems.com/Tour_de_Sol_Reports.html
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The above is Copyright 2005 by Michael H. Bianchi.
Permission to copy is granted provided the entire article is presented
without modification and this notice remains attached.
For other arrangements, contact me at +1-973-822-2085 .
- - - -
For more on the NESEA Tour de Sol, see the web page at
http://www.TourdeSol.org
- - - -
Official NESEA Tour de Sol information is available from the sponsor,
the Northeast Sustainable Energy Association (NESEA) at
413 774-6051 , and 50 Miles Street, Greenfield, MA 01301 , and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . All media enquiries should be addressed to ...
Jack Groh
Tour de Sol Communications Director
P.O. Box 6044
Warwick, RI 02887-6044
401 732-1551
401 732-0547 fax
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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TdS Report #18: Photos - ITAQ Smart Biodiesel
Photographs from the Tour de Sol:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2005/photos_005.html
ITAQ Smart Biodiesel
Photo provided by Hugo Marsolais.
Hugo Marsolais will be driving this car in both the Monte Carlo Rally and the
Tour de Sol Championship.
The smart (the first letter of the name is not capitalized)
has a lot of options, and is sold by Mercedes-Benz Canada.
- - - -
The complete set of Tour de Sol Reports for 2005 can be found at:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2005
The complete set of past Tour de Sol Reports can be found at:
http://www.FovealSystems.com/Tour_de_Sol_Reports.html
- - - -
The above is Copyright 2005 by Michael H. Bianchi.
Permission to copy is granted provided the entire article is presented
without modification and this notice remains attached.
For other arrangements, contact me at +1-973-822-2085 .
- - - -
For more on the NESEA Tour de Sol, see the web page at
http://www.TourdeSol.org
- - - -
Official NESEA Tour de Sol information is available from the sponsor,
the Northeast Sustainable Energy Association (NESEA) at
413 774-6051 , and 50 Miles Street, Greenfield, MA 01301 , and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . All media enquiries should be addressed to ...
Jack Groh
Tour de Sol Communications Director
P.O. Box 6044
Warwick, RI 02887-6044
401 732-1551
401 732-0547 fax
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Note: A previous posting, day before yesterday, appears to be lost in the
aether and will probably show up
shortly after reposting the below - apologies in advance if this occurs. I
corrected one bit of info relating to
the parks personnel - I'd originally thought they were driving a bio-diesel
fueled vehicle.
========================
Greetings post-Seattle Rally,
FWIW, we enjoyed what we saw at Magnuson Park this Saturday, although it seemed
sparsely attended.
Quite a few *people* passing by/talking - but we wished there'd been more EVs
(maybe we can help with
that someday!). One odd thing that happened is that my wife was talking to one
of the Parks people who
(I gathered) drove I think an NEV (an IT?), and who made several statements to
the effect that EV's
weren't quite ready for prime time, etc. My wife doesn't recall the specifics,
but said it seemed a bit at odds
with what we've learned (or think we've learned!) lurking here and elsewhere,
and that if she hadn't had
any other knowledge, she would have come away from the event thinking she
wouldn't bother looking into
EVs at all for another few years. Thought we should mention that. On the flip
side, had a nice conversation
with someone from Cloud.
Anyhow, without further ado, here are my (initial) Newby Questions:
A) I read and enjoyed "Convert It" not too long ago, but I was wondering how
dated the info in it is. I had
the impression from reading it that bigger/heavier EV's weren't feasible, yet
I've seen online photos/stories
of some apparently doing quite nicely (we were particularly curious about
something along the lines of a
couple of Blazers we'd come across online). I imagine that technology has moved
on a bit since Convert It
was written; is there a newer edition of this book - or a newer book along the
same lines?
B) Is there any sort of online EV Conversion calculator available, where one
can input various parameters
in order to explore the feasibility of different conversion projects?
C) Anyone have a nice e-Blazer (or stretch cab pickup) for sale cheap? ;-)
Seriously, we'd prefer to buy a used EV for our first, and build one ourselves
later as we learn more, but
there don't seem to be many available that would suit our purposes, which are:
- Seats 3-4 + dog
- Fast enough for short highway trips
- 40ish mile range ideally (may be some wiggle room here, still researching)
- Doesn't feel like an egg beater/teensy car (no offense to happy Geo Metro
drivers - just wanting to make
sure the driving experience is pleasurable for all)
- Ability to climb at least some hills - we're in Seattle.
- Not exorbitantly expensive (ie, probably not a state-of-the-art show-quality
EV with next generation
technology)
We saw a very reasonably priced li'l e-pickup at the rally, but sadly it only
seated 2)
D) Are there any relevant tax incentives or rebates available to Washington
state citizens purchasing or
converting to an EV?
Thanks in advance for all advice and thoughts!
- Pat Clarke
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If you want to have some real fun you can probably charge a 48V pack with an
appropriate sized diode and a long extension cord.
From: "Stu or Jan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: "EV" <[email protected]>
Subject: A few battery charger ideas
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:27:12 -0400
When I was planning my 48 volt project, I began thinking about chargers.
Being the frugal person that I am, I was not about to spend $300 for a 48
volt charger.
I came up with 2 ideas and built the second.
#1 Use a 12 volt charger in a 'time share' fashion. You can charge any
multiple of 12 Volt batteries this way.
Assume that you have 4 - 12 Volt batteries in a series string.
Bring out wires from each battery to a clock motor driven 4 dpdt am
actuated
microswitch 'manifold'.
If the motor turns at 1 rpm, each battery will charge 15 seconds per
minute.
#2 A 'stupid' smart charger.
I found very good quality surplus 30-60 Volt 2 amp power supplies for $6.95
each.
I bought 4 for 8 amps.
I connected them in parallel with a diode output to isolate each.
I can set a different voltage for each unit to decrease the charging
voltage
down to a float current level.
Done and in use.
BoyntonStu
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Thanks John for the place on your team.
Now lets go get qualified for this Years Madman's 100 '05.
It's nice not to have to worry about batteries, we can focus on the other
important parts of a EV, Like motors and drive train.
Charging?? leave that to me....
Gee I get to play with 5 fast Evs this year, 2 mine 3 John's....
It's gonna be fun. !!
Madman.
Oh yea When's the Frist track day??? I am ready.
Lets hope it doesn't rain as hard as it did for the Kingston Stillwaters
Enviromental Fair....
I am still thankfull you made it with the Insight. I would have been EV
terror with your other electrics because of the torential rain the night
before.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Wayland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 7:40 AM
Subject: More Plasma Boy Racing News
> Hello to All,
>
> There's a saying, 'when it rains, it pours'...this an appropriate
statement to describe
> the way things are falling into place for me this year. I think pretty
much everyone knows
> that Exide Batteries helped make it possible for White Zombie to be the
first street legal
> electric car to break 100 mph in the 1/4 mile, and, to crack the 12's,
sponsorship I very
> much appreciate. The 40 lb. Orbital Blue Top 12V AGMs never once failed
under the extreme
> duty they were subjected to...read that 2500+ amps at the switch-over 'hit
the button'
> mode. This year, my relationship with Exide continues. The batteries are
destined for
> Purple Phaze and Blue Meanie.
>
> Exide has provided me with a fresh pallet of 60 Blue Top Orbitals. Unlike
the last time I
> received a pallet of batteries where it took lots of muscle and trips back
and forth from
> the back of my work service truck down to my backyard EV shop packing
battery after
> battery, this year I simply used my electric forklift, slipped the forks
under the pallet,
> then took the whole thing at once into the shop...way cool! The little
Hyster J30BS 24V
> lift truck didn't even break a sweat lifting the 2400+ lb. load.
>
> Finally, the 204V Blue Meanie upgrade is underway. 17 of the Exides and a
Zilla Z1K
> controller will pump up the muscle of my favorite EV, and, extend its
light duty range of
> 25 miles, to 30-35 miles. Leaving the 156V level behind, it's time for my
super
> dependable, super powerful DCP Raptor 1200 controller to go. Anyone
wishing to own a piece
> of Blue Meanie and desiring to have a huge EV grin plastered to his face,
the first $1500
> takes it away. This controller is one of the early models that delivers on
its 1200 amp
> promise, and sold new for $2300 or so. It's in near immaculate condition,
save for a wear
> mark on the cover where the 9 inch ADC was a bit too close and rubbed
through the finish a
> bit.
>
> Purple Phaze is becoming a very exciting project! With all the new
Orbitals on hand,
> something snapped in my brain. I've decided to go after Rod Wilde's Maniac
Mazda class
> MC/A world record of 12.07 @ 110 mph, with a 348V, Zilla powered, wrinkle
wall equipped,
> 13" variable timed motor fed Datsun minitruck! I may be waking up a
sleeping giant here,
> and if we get close to achieving this, Maniac Mazda might come after us to
put us in our
> place, but I do think it's possible to take the crown away with what I've
got planned. As
> to Rod's killer class MC/B run with the same machine at 11.2 @ 108
mph...well, that one's
> going to be safe for quite a while.
>
> Oh, did I say 'Zilla powered'? You heard that right. I'm very excited to
announce that
> Otmar and I, as we've done in the past, are once again collaborating. Cafe
Electric has
> stepped up to sponsor the Purple Phaze project with a 2000 amp Zilla Z2K
controller. Doing
> the math, 29 Exide Orbitals loaded down to 7.2V per module at 2000 amps
(per Rudman's load
> testing), comes in at a whopping 417.6 KW, or 560 hp from the battery
pack...yeah, I'll
> take that.
>
> The four man crew that will be behind the Purple Phaze project will be
myself, driver and
> codesigner Tim Brehm, Rich 'Mad Man' Rudman, and Jim Husted of High Torque
Electric.
> Others are helping as well, including Otmar and Father Time, the latter
who's making
> custom aluminum motor pieces. Rudman will be used extensively for his
expertise in all
> things battery charging-battery management, and will be very helpful in
the work with the
> variable brush timing on the monster 13" motor.
>
> We will take the project through planned steps. The first goal, is a 156V
version with a
> single string of 13 Orbitals. The MC/D record stands at 18.2 @ 71.86
mph...that should go
> bye-bye pretty quickly, as I expect the truck to run a mid 14 at this
level.
> Getting a world record for Exide is job number one. Then, it's on to the
full blown crazy
> stuff at the 417 KW level.
>
> Looking forward to a fun electric drag racing season....
>
> See Ya......John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
>
> If one has three Zillas, is that called a Tri-Zilla?
>
>
>
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So I finally got around to working on the EVcort- actually my wife wants her
parking spot in the garage back. I want to get it running again to either
sell or, preferable, place in an automotive museum- either the Petersen (if
they ever get around to putting in an EV section- don't hold your breath),
or one back home in Little Rock, AR.
Always wanted to see one of my cars somewhere with that little plaque that
says: "On Loan From The Private Collection Of Mr. and Mrs. J. Marvin
Campbell". Haw!
Anyway, I've replaced my motor brushes (with a little tech support from Oat-
thanks, Dude!), and I'm installing the new controller today. The only hitch
has been the new Soleq potbox I got has different termination set-up on the
swing-arms- it has one for accel and another for brake/regen. The original
arms were set up for barrel shaped cable ends, but my replacement is set up
for mini ball-ends that look like little tie-rod ends. So now I just have to
find something that will fit the barrel/cable ends.
So I notice that this car has a couple of big, honkin' motor chokes on the
armature leads. Reading this list I never hear about anybody using motor
chokes in their set-ups.
Why is that?
Marv
Culver City, CA
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The Exide family grows! I picked up my pallet about a
month ago. I had the regional marketing man here
yesterday talking about the future of my new show and
Exide's support. He is going to get me into Exide's
labs to talk about some of the newest Battery tech. He
also told me that they are going to be packaging the
orbital as a single cell. That would allow us much
more flexibility in our placement of batteries and the
luxury of only replacing bad cells rather that bad
batts with one bad cell. The single cells are part of
a what exide is doing for Daimler-Chrysler's new 42v
electrical systems. good for us...
Gadget
--- John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello to All,
>
> There's a saying, 'when it rains, it pours'...this
> an appropriate statement to describe
> the way things are falling into place for me this
> year. I think pretty much everyone knows
> that Exide Batteries helped make it possible for
> White Zombie to be the first street legal
> electric car to break 100 mph in the 1/4 mile, and,
> to crack the 12's, sponsorship I very
> much appreciate. The 40 lb. Orbital Blue Top 12V
> AGMs never once failed under the extreme
> duty they were subjected to...read that 2500+ amps
> at the switch-over 'hit the button'
> mode. This year, my relationship with Exide
> continues. The batteries are destined for
> Purple Phaze and Blue Meanie.
>
> Exide has provided me with a fresh pallet of 60 Blue
> Top Orbitals. Unlike the last time I
> received a pallet of batteries where it took lots of
> muscle and trips back and forth from
> the back of my work service truck down to my
> backyard EV shop packing battery after
> battery, this year I simply used my electric
> forklift, slipped the forks under the pallet,
> then took the whole thing at once into the
> shop...way cool! The little Hyster J30BS 24V
> lift truck didn't even break a sweat lifting the
> 2400+ lb. load.
>
> Finally, the 204V Blue Meanie upgrade is underway.
> 17 of the Exides and a Zilla Z1K
> controller will pump up the muscle of my favorite
> EV, and, extend its light duty range of
> 25 miles, to 30-35 miles. Leaving the 156V level
> behind, it's time for my super
> dependable, super powerful DCP Raptor 1200
> controller to go. Anyone wishing to own a piece
> of Blue Meanie and desiring to have a huge EV grin
> plastered to his face, the first $1500
> takes it away. This controller is one of the early
> models that delivers on its 1200 amp
> promise, and sold new for $2300 or so. It's in near
> immaculate condition, save for a wear
> mark on the cover where the 9 inch ADC was a bit too
> close and rubbed through the finish a
> bit.
>
> Purple Phaze is becoming a very exciting project!
> With all the new Orbitals on hand,
> something snapped in my brain. I've decided to go
> after Rod Wilde's Maniac Mazda class
> MC/A world record of 12.07 @ 110 mph, with a 348V,
> Zilla powered, wrinkle wall equipped,
> 13" variable timed motor fed Datsun minitruck! I may
> be waking up a sleeping giant here,
> and if we get close to achieving this, Maniac Mazda
> might come after us to put us in our
> place, but I do think it's possible to take the
> crown away with what I've got planned. As
> to Rod's killer class MC/B run with the same machine
> at 11.2 @ 108 mph...well, that one's
> going to be safe for quite a while.
>
> Oh, did I say 'Zilla powered'? You heard that right.
> I'm very excited to announce that
> Otmar and I, as we've done in the past, are once
> again collaborating. Cafe Electric has
> stepped up to sponsor the Purple Phaze project with
> a 2000 amp Zilla Z2K controller. Doing
> the math, 29 Exide Orbitals loaded down to 7.2V per
> module at 2000 amps (per Rudman's load
> testing), comes in at a whopping 417.6 KW, or 560 hp
> from the battery pack...yeah, I'll
> take that.
>
> The four man crew that will be behind the Purple
> Phaze project will be myself, driver and
> codesigner Tim Brehm, Rich 'Mad Man' Rudman, and Jim
> Husted of High Torque Electric.
> Others are helping as well, including Otmar and
> Father Time, the latter who's making
> custom aluminum motor pieces. Rudman will be used
> extensively for his expertise in all
> things battery charging-battery management, and will
> be very helpful in the work with the
> variable brush timing on the monster 13" motor.
>
> We will take the project through planned steps. The
> first goal, is a 156V version with a
> single string of 13 Orbitals. The MC/D record stands
> at 18.2 @ 71.86 mph...that should go
> bye-bye pretty quickly, as I expect the truck to run
> a mid 14 at this level.
> Getting a world record for Exide is job number one.
> Then, it's on to the full blown crazy
> stuff at the 417 KW level.
>
> Looking forward to a fun electric drag racing
> season....
>
> See Ya......John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
>
> If one has three Zillas, is that called a Tri-Zilla?
>
>
>
>
visit my website at www.reverendgadget.com
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Hey Marvin, you should stop by and see the latest
project I have going on and maybe I can help you with
your connections. In your car and possibly at the
Petersen.....
Gadget
visit my website at www.reverendgadget.com
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A couple years ago when one of the Optima guys was on list, we suggested
they provide single-cells.
Nice to see that someone is finally doing this!
At 10:34 AM 4/27/2005, you wrote:
also told me that they are going to be packaging the
orbital as a single cell. That would allow us much
more flexibility in our placement of batteries and the
luxury of only replacing bad cells rather that bad
batts with one bad cell. The single cells are part of
a what exide is doing for Daimler-Chrysler's new 42v
electrical systems. good for us...
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Wayland and Hawker together again! Congratulations John! I can't wait
to see the times you'll be getting with the new rig =o)
Steve
> White Zombie has a new battery sponsor. It's a name that used to be
> synonymous with White Zombie
> and it's one that is still attached to the SC/A class record set back
in
> 2000 with a 13.1
> @ 99 mph run. Though I still have a strong relationship with Exide
(read
> on), my street
> legal tire burner is getting its power ratcheted up once again, but
this
> time, it's
> dropping 400 lbs. in the process!
> See Ya...John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
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Many electric scooters have a 3.5" OD cup rotor that
is part of a Brushless DC motor/control.
The rotor is a steel cup with magnets glued on the
inner surface. The stator is actually inside this cup
(kind of an inside out motor).
back in the late 80's there was a BLDC cup rotor that
measured 6" OD and 2" high. This was used on a
multiplatter disk drive for data backup in computer
systems.
Does anybody know who made these? Are these larger
cup rotors used on any of small EV's being sold now?
Thanks,
Rod
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John
I could use that Raptor on my Voltzwagen conversion.
Contact me off list to work out the payment details a:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
BTW, my son and I Nathaniel met you at Woodburn a couple of years ago.
John Martin
On Apr 27, 2005, at 7:40 AM, John Wayland wrote:
Hello to All,
There's a saying, 'when it rains, it pours'...this an appropriate
statement to describe
the way things are falling into place for me this year. I think pretty
much everyone knows
that Exide Batteries helped make it possible for White Zombie to be
the first street legal
electric car to break 100 mph in the 1/4 mile, and, to crack the 12's,
sponsorship I very
much appreciate. The 40 lb. Orbital Blue Top 12V AGMs never once
failed under the extreme
duty they were subjected to...read that 2500+ amps at the switch-over
'hit the button'
mode. This year, my relationship with Exide continues. The batteries
are destined for
Purple Phaze and Blue Meanie.
Exide has provided me with a fresh pallet of 60 Blue Top Orbitals.
Unlike the last time I
received a pallet of batteries where it took lots of muscle and trips
back and forth from
the back of my work service truck down to my backyard EV shop packing
battery after
battery, this year I simply used my electric forklift, slipped the
forks under the pallet,
then took the whole thing at once into the shop...way cool! The little
Hyster J30BS 24V
lift truck didn't even break a sweat lifting the 2400+ lb. load.
Finally, the 204V Blue Meanie upgrade is underway. 17 of the Exides
and a Zilla Z1K
controller will pump up the muscle of my favorite EV, and, extend its
light duty range of
25 miles, to 30-35 miles. Leaving the 156V level behind, it's time for
my super
dependable, super powerful DCP Raptor 1200 controller to go. Anyone
wishing to own a piece
of Blue Meanie and desiring to have a huge EV grin plastered to his
face, the first $1500
takes it away. This controller is one of the early models that
delivers on its 1200 amp
promise, and sold new for $2300 or so. It's in near immaculate
condition, save for a wear
mark on the cover where the 9 inch ADC was a bit too close and rubbed
through the finish a
bit.
Purple Phaze is becoming a very exciting project! With all the new
Orbitals on hand,
something snapped in my brain. I've decided to go after Rod Wilde's
Maniac Mazda class
MC/A world record of 12.07 @ 110 mph, with a 348V, Zilla powered,
wrinkle wall equipped,
13" variable timed motor fed Datsun minitruck! I may be waking up a
sleeping giant here,
and if we get close to achieving this, Maniac Mazda might come after
us to put us in our
place, but I do think it's possible to take the crown away with what
I've got planned. As
to Rod's killer class MC/B run with the same machine at 11.2 @ 108
mph...well, that one's
going to be safe for quite a while.
Oh, did I say 'Zilla powered'? You heard that right. I'm very excited
to announce that
Otmar and I, as we've done in the past, are once again collaborating.
Cafe Electric has
stepped up to sponsor the Purple Phaze project with a 2000 amp Zilla
Z2K controller. Doing
the math, 29 Exide Orbitals loaded down to 7.2V per module at 2000
amps (per Rudman's load
testing), comes in at a whopping 417.6 KW, or 560 hp from the battery
pack...yeah, I'll
take that.
The four man crew that will be behind the Purple Phaze project will be
myself, driver and
codesigner Tim Brehm, Rich 'Mad Man' Rudman, and Jim Husted of High
Torque Electric.
Others are helping as well, including Otmar and Father Time, the
latter who's making
custom aluminum motor pieces. Rudman will be used extensively for his
expertise in all
things battery charging-battery management, and will be very helpful
in the work with the
variable brush timing on the monster 13" motor.
We will take the project through planned steps. The first goal, is a
156V version with a
single string of 13 Orbitals. The MC/D record stands at 18.2 @ 71.86
mph...that should go
bye-bye pretty quickly, as I expect the truck to run a mid 14 at this
level.
Getting a world record for Exide is job number one. Then, it's on to
the full blown crazy
stuff at the 417 KW level.
Looking forward to a fun electric drag racing season....
See Ya......John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
If one has three Zillas, is that called a Tri-Zilla?
JFM Digital Imaging
415-472-4482
www.jfmdigital.com
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Here's the response from the ABB race team:
<<< The e=motion team attempt is based on strict FIA rules which are the only
internationally recognized and sanctioned speed records for any vehicle.
These rules dictate a repeatable run (within 1 hour) which is from a
standing stop in both directions. The two speeds are then averaged. The
245 mph record listed is the current FIA record held by White Lightning.
According to information recieved by the e=motion team directly from the
OSU team, they were not able to duplicate their run due to technical
problems and they required a push start to nearly 80 mph before the car
could proceed under its own power. For these reasons, although these are
great accomplishments, they are not recognised by the FIA. >>>
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I will have driveway/helper time reserved in late May for
installing a new battery pack and attending to other projects on
my VoltsRabbit.
The conversion is ten years old now, and I believe I need new
rear springs and shocks (struts). For the last couple of years,
I frequently have heard a thunking sound coming from the area of
the passenger-side rear shock going over bumpy roads. The
suspension also seems to have settled a bit more in that corner.
Several days ago I emailed Mike Brown for info on obtaining
replacements, but have not heard back from him. I'm definitely
going to need part #s if I'm going to do a stock VoltsRabbit
spring/shock replacement. It has also been suggested by others
to try air shocks to help me dial in a flat ride stance, but I'm
starting to gain the impression that air shocks are not going to
be available for this vehicle, since the rears are struts. Any
thoughts out there in EVDL Land?
Also, I'd like to drill some small holes in my rear battery box
to pass wires through. It's a white semi-rigid material, and I
believe it is polypropolene, about 1/4" thick. The largest hole
to go through would be to accept a 6-ga cable. Will an ordinary
drill bit work on this stuff w/o cracking it (my feeling is yes,
but I'd like a second opinion)? Mike Brown had drilled two nice
holes to accept 2/0 cables, so I know it can be done.
Thanks,
Chuck
Chuck Hursch
Larkspur, CA
NBEAA treasurer and webmaster
http://nbeaa.org
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/339.html
http://www.geocities.com/chursch/bizcard.bmp
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Marvin Campbell wrote:
> So I notice that this car has a couple of big, honkin' motor chokes
> on the armature leads. Reading this list I never hear about anybody
> using motor chokes in their set-ups. Why is that?
Because it still works without them. Not as well, but not so you'd
notice. It's like saying, "My wheels are held on with 5 lug nuts. I lost
one and the wheel didn't fall off. Can I leave it off?"
The chokes reduce RFI and improve range and efficiency a bit.
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Ring the bells that you can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in
-- Leonard Cohen, from "Anthem"
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Any thoughts on where I could get some chokes big enough to slip over
the motor and battery wires?
-jamie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lee Hart
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Motor Choke Question?
Marvin Campbell wrote:
> So I notice that this car has a couple of big, honkin' motor chokes
> on the armature leads. Reading this list I never hear about anybody
> using motor chokes in their set-ups. Why is that?
Because it still works without them. Not as well, but not so you'd
notice. It's like saying, "My wheels are held on with 5 lug nuts. I lost
one and the wheel didn't fall off. Can I leave it off?"
The chokes reduce RFI and improve range and efficiency a bit.
--
Ring the bells that you can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in
-- Leonard Cohen, from "Anthem"
--
Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Hi All, several weeks ago i asked about methods of reducing contator
arcing. Guess why :-).
I planning a contactor controller with
current limiting,
rev limiting,
and maybe cruise control :-),
and other yet to be discovered features.
2 resistors with temp monitoring and possibly force cooling (cabin heat :-))
and a PIC for housekeeping
Below are some random thoughts i've been contemplating
PIC controls throttle, this and current limit should stop full voltage at
motor while stopped. RPM feedback could stop voltage increase while rpm is
too low.
Current limit and rev limiting have direct control of the main contactor.
Both resistors will be in circuit each time the voltage increases and
bypassed sequentially and automatically after a few seconds. During this
time it should be possible to predict the current after the resistors are
bypassed and manage it. Actually current should be continuously monitored.
resistors will soften the inrush current seen by the diodes. They may need
to be water cooled. (more cabin heating)
I'm planning a 96v system. 24/48/96V.
4 24-12v dc-dc converters
Oil filled main contactor will be only contactor switching under load.
I have drawn a circuit which has 4 batteries, 8 diodes and 3 contactors for
1/4, 1/2 and full voltage. I suspect it is a recollection of Lees rectactor
circuit. The largest diodes i have so far located here are 400A rms @120C.
At full voltage the 2 diodes still in circuit could be bypassed to increase
efficiency and stop current being limited to diode limits.
While you don't get current multiplication like PWM at low motor voltage at
1/4 battery voltage you do have 4 batteries in parallel so 4 times the
current available so the effect is similar.
I'd love to hear how a contactor car is driven. I.E. When travelling at
speed would battery voltage vary between full and off or full and half to
maintain speed. Accelerating through voltage steps and gears. Bob Rice???
Justin
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