EV Digest 4357
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: 2005 HONDA FCX
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Arcane autos that should make good EV's.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: My project and question
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Rear wheel idea for fully enclosed MC
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: My project and question
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) EVLN(EV JOB: SF, Customer Service, Electric Time Car Rentals)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: EVLN(EV JOB: SF, Customer Service, Electric Time Car Rentals)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Electravan charge connector fix
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Status South San Francisco Costco AVCON?
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Smarts in the US
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: cruise control?
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: 2005 HONDA FCX
by Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Fw: PA EV registration
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: 2005 HONDA FCX
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: My project and question
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Inexpensive DC/DC converters
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: My project and question
by "Adams, Lynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: new motor
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Smarts in the US
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) RE: 2005 HONDA FCX
by Fortunat Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) PFC50 for sale
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: 2005 HONDA FCX
by Fortunat Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Odd Curtis controller behavior
by Duncan Orthner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: PFC50 for sale
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Energy to store/make energy source, was Re: 2005 HONDA FCX
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
26) Re: anyone want to help me in Denver/ Boulder area
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Battery.com coupon
by Gravity Girl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: Battery.com coupon
by Gravity Girl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) New England EAA Meeting
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Re: My project and question
by keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Interesting spec's however- 41 Gal tank at 360 atm pressure with a 267 mile
range. By my calculations that a little over 6 miles to the gallon of fuel but
the reported EPA estimates are 52 and 48 MPG. Some one isn't looking at the
math to well. Sorry not only is it another EV+ but it really eats up the fuel.
EAA-contact <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is no more "For Sale" then the all-electric EV+ was. Lease means that you
can pay to drive it now, but doesn't mean you own it. If you do anything to
void the lease, it does back to Honda. "For Sale" should mean full-ownership,
like the RAV4 EV.
-Ed
--- On Thu 05/12, Lawrence Rhodes < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
From: Lawrence Rhodes [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:22:27 -0700
Subject: 2005 HONDA FCX
2005 HONDA FCX
ON SALE: Now
PRICE: Only available by lease to select customers
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:44:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Russel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Lancia lovers see this
Someonein Sacto sent the following link:
http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/car/72645193.html
Not sure where the cars are as the listing is for the San Francisco area,
but the part that Craig's auto-fills indicates Cost Mesa.
Good luck
David
Sincerely,
David
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:18:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Russel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: a few more cars
http://www.craigslist.org/eby/car/72912797.html
http://www.craigslist.org/eby/car/72299642.html
Fiat parts: http://www.craigslist.org/pen/car/71905989.html
Triumph Herald about to be scrapped or is it gone already? :
http://www.craigslist.org/eby/car/71514689.html
Front door for Isetta 600 http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/car/72455269.html
Sincerely,
David
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>> Optimas have an odd shape, so insulating them can be interesting.
>> One idea is to take advantage of their 6-pack cylindrical shape.
>> Put them in your battery box, then pour in loose styrafoam beads.
mreish wrote:
> You mean like the stuff found in bean bag chairs?
Yes; exactly!
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 10:02:30 -0700, Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Would this design work if scaled up for motorcycle sized wheels?
>> http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever/2005/050428.Shim.bike.html
>
>It strikes me as style over engineering -- something that looks good,
>but wouldn't work very well.
>
>The stress levels on the non-vertical wheels would be quite high. They
>made this even worse with 2-spoke wheels (for style, I suspect).
Well, this tilt wheel design seems to work really well for high
performance wheel chairs. I'm not sure how the spoke count matters as
long as there is enough strength there.
>As a
>parent, I'd worry about legs or sticks being stuck thru the wheels while
>in motion causing a really nasty accident.
Man, I'm glad you weren't one of my parents. Mine, fortunately,
realized that kids learn from experiences, good and bad. Like
fer'instance my trying to ride my tricycle down a flight of stairs.
Or my attempt to learn how to do a bicycle stoppie by having my bro
shove a stick in the front wheel spokes. My mom's response wasn't "Oh
my God, you could have been killed, maimed, mutilated. Call the
feds." Instead it was along the lines of "well John, what did you
learn from this" as she patched me up.
My guess is the kid would stick his foot in the spoke once, fall on
his butt and learn his lesson. We ARE talking about a very young
child and maybe 30 or 40 pounds combined weight, after all.
>
>They complicated the drive train. Now you have two wheels to drive, and
>you have to allow for different wheel speeds when turning. You can't use
>a chain, because the wheels tip out of alignment with the crank.
Actually a chain designed for angular alignment will work just fine.
Widely used in industry. No matter, as his CAD drawing shows a flat
belt which is more efficient than a chain anyway. Important to save
every milliwatt when a small child is supplying the power.
>
>Since it always has 3 wheels, it isn't really teaching the child to
>balance properly for a real 2-wheel bike.
>
>If I were to tackle this problem, I'd try a recumbent design where the
>child is much closer to to ground so falls were less dangerous. Use very
>wide round tires, so it mostly balances by itself.
I'm not sure what the difference would be between two tires an inch
apart and a wide round tire that mostly balances itself.
I think this is a very clever design that will make learning to ride a
two wheeler MUCH easier. It has adult applications too.
I've been trying to work out something for my elderly but still active
mom in the way of a higher performance handicap scooter. She can't
balance a 2 wheeler well enough to get underway anymore. A fixed 3
wheeler is OK for low speed but she can't move around enough steer the
thing at the higher speeds necessary to keep up with me on the road.
We tried a City Shuttle both with and without the lean hinge locked.
Too unstable.
A scooter that would use wide set wheels at low speed for balance and
narrow up at high speed to allow lean steering would probably be
perfect. This really has my thought juices flowing.
John
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 23:14:04 -0400, mreish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Optimas have an odd shape, so insulating them can be interesting. One
>>idea is to take advantage of their 6-pack cylindrical shape. Put them in
>>your battery box, then pour in loose styrafoam beads. Styrafoam is a
>>good insulator, weighs almost nothing, and is unaffected by battery acid
>>in case of vents or leaks.
>
>You mean like the stuff found in bean bag chairs?
I wouldn't. Those pills have the amazing ability to get everywhere at
once and then stick like they were glued.
Styrofoam worms used for packing material works great. I've used them
in a number of insulating applications, including a buried 2000 gallon
septic tank that I used as an ice bank in a homemade AC system for my
first house. If you use the anti-static (pink or green usually) worms
then they won't static cling to everything.
John
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John De Armond
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http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
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We are looking for Customer Service/Sales people to work in our
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I would apply for that job, but I already have a job that allows me
to study my college courses toward a BSCS Degree.
Plus, it would be a long commute to SF and they would have to offer
charging while I was at work. My current commute to work is only 5
miles.
But with GW's economy may evaporate my job just like the last two.
If that happens, I might just look them up. I would not do it for
the pay or the commute hardship. It would be a labor of love being
able to work in the EV field.
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OK I think I found a solution for the 4 prong connector and safety for
shock. I replaced the Hubbel with a Bryant 71530NC and associated flanged
recessed male. ($130 for both yikes) The safety switch was a little harder.
I drilled a hole in the cover and tried to place the switch there using the
lid to activate it. Won't fit through sheet metal & cover. Drilled a hole
through sheetmetal below the hole in cover & attached switch to sheetmetal.
Placed cover over the switch. Looks stock so far. Cover won't stay closed
with the added pressure of switch. Installed spring on the two bottom
screws of the cover. Flip spring over cover. Activates switch and takes a
bit of strength to take off. Safe (from little hands) & the fender won't be
pulling off when the vehicle has the cord in. Also a way to cut off power
that a thief might not notice.
http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Burnplug/DSC00028.JPG
http://home.jps.net/~bassoon/Burnplug/DSC00029.JPG
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
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http://www.evchargernews.com/regions/94080_1.htm
page states it is up & to check the I was there reports.
The IWT log does not state the conductive ics-200
was repaired and the AVCON is up.
I have jury duty coming up in S. SF.
Anyone know for sure this AVCON is on and working?
-Hungry Electric S-10 Blazers want to know-
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On 8 May 2005 at 17:04, Philippe Borges wrote:
> there is a lot of beautiful tiny European cars that could be
> first class EV conversion candidate (with results far better than EV citicar
> or commuta car ;^) Problem would be on the buyer side (importation) ?
I think as long as you never try to sell the car, importing one to the
states for your own use is permitted and, unless I'm mistaken, FMVSS
compliance is not required (but again you may NEVER sell it). The sticking
point is emissions standards, but if it were brought over without an engine
that might obviate the issue.
If you live in Canada, I think you will have a tougher time; they seem to be
more rigid about their safety standards. However, there you can import
almost anything over 15 years old as an "antique," almost without questions
asked.
Someone please correct me if I err on the above points.
As Philppe says, there are lots of marvelous tiny cars available in Europe
and Asia. Many can be had cheaply used. The older ones, though not as
attractive, have more squareish lines, which makes battery fitment easier.
They are also lighter and typically have fairly low gearing. When I was in
South Korea last year, I was tempted to pack a used Daewoo Tico into my
suitcase. ;-) Now that SUVs are all the rage there (sigh), older small cars
(I'm told) sell very cheaply.
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All it was (that I made) CCCC (Constant Current Cruise control) is 3 binary
resistors (0-7speed increments) resulting in 5k and controlled from a Mot uP
with an on switch on the stick shift (to relay switch the throttle pot over
to the fixed resistor control) and another up/down buttons for fixed speed
control, technically not a true cruise control, just a fixed throttle
control, it sounded fancier than it was. Yes it did improve range but
wasn't that practical in traffic (fast downhills, slow uphills) I think it
was renamed "MicroThrust" for marketing purposes but didn't sell well.
Mark
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From: "Paul Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: cruise control?
> Seems to me that several years ago, a fellow in Hawaii was building an
> EV cruise control. It was an interesting design in that it maintained
> constant power, not constant speed. At least that is what I remember.
> I think that he was associated with a university. Constant power made
> sense if you are interested in maximizing range.
>
> Paul Wallace
> '91 Chevy S-10 full of SAFT nicads
>
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On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 07:01:01AM -0700, Bruce Weisenberger wrote:
> Interesting spec's however- 41 Gal tank at 360 atm pressure with a 267 mile
> range.
Seems strange to measure hydrogen by the gallon. Is it true that
360 atm == 5000 PSI? If that is the case they must just be using compressed
gas and not liquefied hydrogen. Does anybody know how many Kgrams of hydrogen
that is?
> By my calculations that a little over 6 miles to the gallon of fuel
> but the reported EPA estimates are 52 and 48 MPG. Some one isn't looking at
> the math to well. Sorry not only is it another EV+ but it really eats up the
> fuel.
>
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> If you converted, say a Geo Metro, walk into the DMV and say "I need a tag
> for a Geo Metro" and tell the insurance company the same. I didn't
discuss
> my creativity with the DMV clerk- bureaucrat. It just confuses them and
> keeps you from getting a tag.
> Mark
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:01 PM
> Subject: PA EV registration
>
>
> > Does anyone know how to get a EV conversion licensed, registered and
> > inspected in PA? I tried calling different offices of the state... they
> were
> > zero help. Before I think anymore about the project I'd like to know it
is
> > at least legally possible to do it.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Jon Davis
> >
>
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From: "Nick Austin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: 2005 HONDA FCX
> Seems strange to measure hydrogen by the gallon. Is it true that
> 360 atm == 5000 PSI?
it is actually a wee bit more... 1 atm = 14.7 psi, so 360 x 14.7 = 5292 psi.
Lots o pressure, I would think that the firemen and first responders to car
accidents of those cars would be a little hesitant to rescue.
Rush
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Temperature in the 100's in Boulder? I lived in Co Spgs for 9 years and mid
80's was about it for there and boulder. Pueblo got a bit warmer at 4k feet
instead of 6k. (about 4 degrees F for 1K altitude) Mark
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From: "Adams, Lynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: My project and question
> Richard,
> I use 1/2 inch blue foam insulation around the batteries inside the
> battery boxes to keep my batteries warm in the winter, of couse, being
> in Colorado I also use battery heaters when it gets cold, but at 30F or
> so the heating of the batteries during charging in the insulated battery
> box keeps them at about 70-80F in daily use.
>
> I remove the foam insulation (using foam pieces to route the air and
> stabalize the batteries)to provide better air circulation around the
> batteries in the summer. In the summer when the outside temperature get
> into the 100's, the fans cool keep the batteries around 110, not ideal,
> but it's what I have to live with.
>
>
> Lynn Adams
> 15092 miles on my T875's as of today.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Richard Rau
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:19 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: My project and question
>
>
> Lee, Your suggestions are leading to refinement of my vent scheme.
> I live in the Willamette Valley south of Portland Oregon. Fairly mild
> climate. A hot day in summer is 90F and there are few days in winter
> that stay in the 30's. I am not a daily driver so it's quite possible
> to avoid the temp extremes if needed. I work out of my custom
> home-based shop and my usual drives are less than 12 miles.
>
> Still, insulating and heating the batteries has some appeal. That would
> mean a lot of additional work as my batteries will be in 5 locations.
> Once again, I am weighing the required work hours to the performance
> benefits. The gears are turning.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Lee Hart
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:11 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: My project and question
>
> Richard Rau wrote:
> > On the subject of enclosing the batteries, I apparently hadn't given
> > enough consideration to the heating/cooling part of it. It would be
> > wise for me to insulate the rear boxes and also to run a fan for
> > cooling. Come winter I would be hurting for range with such a low
> > capacity pack.
>
> I agree. If you locate your vents carefully, you may not even need the
> fan. If you do use a fan, it can be very small.
>
> Where do you live? If you get real winters, try to include some
> insulation, and maybe even heaters.
>
> > Should I then have some spacers between batteries to aid in cooling
> > air circulation?
>
> No; the Optima case design is such that there is naturally a *lot* of
> air space around cells.
>
> Heat is not likely to be a problem unless you live in a climate that
> stays above 100 deg.F for extended periods. Even if it does, a small fan
> usually provides plenty of cooling.
>
> > (Swelling should not be an issue with Optimas)
>
> Right; the spiral type cell designs don't swell at all.
> --
> "Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful, committed
> citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever
> has!" -- Margaret Mead
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>
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I've been pondering a 72/12 volt solution for my Citi and
coincidentally the new Astrodyne power supply catalog came in. They
have some new products that are right down our alley and very
affordable.
The first is the SD350 350 watt inverter.
http://www.astrodyne.com/astro/product_main_matrix.asp?dept_id=6&watts=86
Data sheet here:
http://datasheet.astrodyne.com/SD350.pdf
This inverter family is available with a DC input range of 19 to 144
volts. Output is adjustable from 11 to 16 volts at 27.5 amps. $129
in single piece quantities, $119 for 10.
I just got off the phone with an application engineer. One of my
questions was whether this 144 volt rating is working or max. He said
that it could probably withstand 10% more than the rating.
For higher voltages he recommended the AC/DC converter lines that will
run on DC input. This is similar to the Lambda supplies but cheaper.
The SP series will accept up to about 375vdc, minimum of about 120
vdc. They're available in ratings up to 1500 watts (100 amps out). A
320 watt unit (22 amps) is $149. These can be operated in parallel.
The PSP series has an extra terminal to force load sharing for
parallel operation.
I've just ordered an SP350 for my Citi. I'll report on its operation.
Meanwhile, considering the good discount on quantity, someone here
might consider organizing a group buy.
John
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Cleveland, Occupied TN
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Usually a few days over a two week week period in August, of course
there is always the possiblity of snow in August too... That's why I
have both heaters and fans in my battery boxes.
Lynn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Hanson
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: My project and question
Temperature in the 100's in Boulder? I lived in Co Spgs for 9 years and
mid 80's was about it for there and boulder. Pueblo got a bit warmer at
4k feet instead of 6k. (about 4 degrees F for 1K altitude) Mark
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From: "Adams, Lynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: My project and question
> Richard,
> I use 1/2 inch blue foam insulation around the batteries inside the
> battery boxes to keep my batteries warm in the winter, of couse, being
> in Colorado I also use battery heaters when it gets cold, but at 30F
> or so the heating of the batteries during charging in the insulated
> battery box keeps them at about 70-80F in daily use.
>
> I remove the foam insulation (using foam pieces to route the air and
> stabalize the batteries)to provide better air circulation around the
> batteries in the summer. In the summer when the outside temperature
> get into the 100's, the fans cool keep the batteries around 110, not
> ideal, but it's what I have to live with.
>
>
> Lynn Adams
> 15092 miles on my T875's as of today.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Richard Rau
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:19 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: My project and question
>
>
> Lee, Your suggestions are leading to refinement of my vent scheme. I
> live in the Willamette Valley south of Portland Oregon. Fairly mild
> climate. A hot day in summer is 90F and there are few days in winter
> that stay in the 30's. I am not a daily driver so it's quite possible
> to avoid the temp extremes if needed. I work out of my custom
> home-based shop and my usual drives are less than 12 miles.
>
> Still, insulating and heating the batteries has some appeal. That
> would mean a lot of additional work as my batteries will be in 5
> locations. Once again, I am weighing the required work hours to the
> performance benefits. The gears are turning.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Lee Hart
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:11 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: My project and question
>
> Richard Rau wrote:
> > On the subject of enclosing the batteries, I apparently hadn't given
> > enough consideration to the heating/cooling part of it. It would be
> > wise for me to insulate the rear boxes and also to run a fan for
> > cooling. Come winter I would be hurting for range with such a low
> > capacity pack.
>
> I agree. If you locate your vents carefully, you may not even need the
> fan. If you do use a fan, it can be very small.
>
> Where do you live? If you get real winters, try to include some
> insulation, and maybe even heaters.
>
> > Should I then have some spacers between batteries to aid in cooling
> > air circulation?
>
> No; the Optima case design is such that there is naturally a *lot* of
> air space around cells.
>
> Heat is not likely to be a problem unless you live in a climate that
> stays above 100 deg.F for extended periods. Even if it does, a small
> fan usually provides plenty of cooling.
>
> > (Swelling should not be an issue with Optimas)
>
> Right; the spiral type cell designs don't swell at all.
> --
> "Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful, committed
> citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever
> has!" -- Margaret Mead
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> Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377
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Sorry if I'm coming into this late, but if it's a DC
series wound, you need to seat the brushes correctly.
It's a matter of using a stone, and abrading them with
a slightly concave shape.
The brushes have little springy clip holders, and
they pull to the side and up, then you can pull the
brushes up. The idea is to give them more contact
area.
--- ohnojoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just got my new motor installed in my S-10 (I also
> have a tracker, which I
> might be selling soon)
>
> Any tips on breaking in the new motor?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Joe
>
>
'92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V
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On Fri, 13 May 2005 15:41:22 -0400, "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On 8 May 2005 at 17:04, Philippe Borges wrote:
>
>> there is a lot of beautiful tiny European cars that could be
>> first class EV conversion candidate (with results far better than EV citicar
>> or commuta car ;^) Problem would be on the buyer side (importation) ?
>
>I think as long as you never try to sell the car, importing one to the
>states for your own use is permitted and, unless I'm mistaken, FMVSS
>compliance is not required (but again you may NEVER sell it). The sticking
>point is emissions standards, but if it were brought over without an engine
>that might obviate the issue.
I used to import gray market bimmers and benzes so I have a little
experience in this area.
The law used to be that anyone could import one non-emissions
compliant car in his lifetime. This was the so-called "GI exemption"
because it was put into place to allow GIs to bring home cars they'd
bought while deployed abroad. The cars DID have to be DOT compliant
which mostly addressed safety glass, headlights and side impact
barriers in the doors.
I had an agent in Stuttgart. What we'd do is buy the cars when the
bargains came along and store them in Germany. He'd send me pictures.
When I sold a car to someone I'd put in the paperwork for that
individual's one shot permit. I brought the cars to Jacksonville, FL
where they sat in quarantine until I arranged a bond to get them
released to the conversion shop. There was a whole industry of
conversion shops in Jacksonville. They took care of all the DOT stuff
and filed the paperwork. Once certified, the bond was released and
the car was US legal.
Titling was the next step. TN and Georgia required that the German
title be translated by a certified translator. Both copies along with
the EPA and DOT letters were submitted to the state. Ga send back a
VIN plate to attach to the dash and another to pop-rivet to the
B-pillar inside the door jamb. TN sent a VIN plate but required an
inspection by a THP cop. The cop attached a sticker to the door jamb.
At that point the vehicle and its documentation was no different than
a domestic car. It could be sold or traded like any other car.
Mercedes and Porsche got very torqued that we civilians would dare to
import a few hundred cars over several years that they bought
themselves a new law back in about 1985. I don't recall the details
but the law made it very very difficult to import a non-complying
vehicle. I got out of the business rather than go through the new
hassles.
These days I would not think that emissions would be much of a
problem, at least for the states that haven't gone
Kalifornicator-crazy since most all the car makers use the same
drivetrain all over the world. DOT would be much more of a problem.
My very dim memory is that the new law requires some sort of testing.
I just can't recall enough of the details to be sure.
John
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The 52 mpg is number should really be labeled mpg(ge)
(miles per gallon gasoline equivalent). The auto
industry does this to compare different technologies
on an energy equivalent basis.
Miles per gallon is a metric the public is comfortable
with so the auto makers tend to use it. Personally, i
don't like it because it can be confusing since most
of the fuel cell cars are fueled with compressed gas
so the energy in one gallon changes as the fuel tank
pressure changes. Which makes me wonder, how is the
mileage of CNG cars reported ? I assume it is the
same.
The other 'mileage' units used for H2 cars is miles
per kg. I prefer this. It just so happens that a kg of
hydrogen has about the same energy content as a gallon
of gasoline, so the number is still pretty easy to
translate for the common man.
gasoline energy content : 137150 kJ/gal
HHV of hydrogen : 141,800 kJ/kg
your friendly fuel cell apologist,
~fortunat
--- Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Interesting spec's however- 41 Gal tank at 360 atm
> pressure with a 267 mile range. By my calculations
> that a little over 6 miles to the gallon of fuel but
> the reported EPA estimates are 52 and 48 MPG. Some
> one isn't looking at the math to well. Sorry not
> only is it another EV+ but it really eats up the
> fuel.
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Ebay item #7974246964
I wonder who is selling this?
Starting bid of $1000
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nick,
> Seems strange to measure hydrogen by the gallon.
they don't. this is miles per gallon gasoline energy
equivalent.
> 360 atm == 5000 PSI? If that is the case they must
> just be using compressed gas and not liquefied
> hydrogen.
correct. compressed gas is currently the fuel of
choice for almost all fuel cell vehicles.
>Does anybody know how many Kgrams of hydrogen that
is?
3.8 kg
~fortunat
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Hello all,
I've got a strange problem with a small mobility EV I've just
built. It uses a Curtis 1228-2406 controller. When going down steep and/or
long hills the regen slows it down enough that additional braking isn't
needed. However, the controller eventually completely cuts out and requires
a hard reset to come back online. I think this may be because the regen is
putting too much current and/or voltage back into the controller but I
can't be sure. Unfortunately with this controller it's not possible to
disable the braking, only reduce it (which I've done).
Has anyone seen this before and is there a circuit or solution to it?
I apologize if this is the wrong place to ask this.
All input appreciated, Duncan
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Hm. Is 360 volts the peak for a PFC-50? Or can it go into the mid 400's?
Chris
Rod Hower wrote:
Ebay item #7974246964
I wonder who is selling this?
Starting bid of $1000
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<<<
> Seems strange to measure hydrogen by the gallon.
they don't. this is miles per gallon gasoline energy
equivalent.
> 360 atm == 5000 PSI? If that is the case they must
> just be using compressed gas and not liquefied
> hydrogen.
correct. compressed gas is currently the fuel of
choice for almost all fuel cell vehicles.
>Does anybody know how many Kgrams of hydrogen that
is?
3.8 kg
~fortunat
>>>
Other than PV=nRT, I don't know how to figure the energy it takes to compress H2
down to 360atm's - is there a constant value per 3.8kg of hydrogen at room temp
(25 C)? That probably also has to assume 100% efficient compressor, etc.
And along the same lines of inquiry, does anyone know how much electricity the
average gallon of gasoline takes from crude oil to finished product?
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mreish wrote:
>In the cycle world sticky rules the roost.
Maybe so, but are you really going to be dragging your knee slider
through the turns with your battery laden bike?
> Here's a question for the group. You unwashed cagers can buy low
> resistance tires but where or how could one lower the rolling
> resistance on an EM?
I can think of three options for a motorcycle:
Hard compound tires.
Get tires that have a high max psi rating and air them up to that.
Get really narrow tires for the front and back.
Straight line cruiser indeed.. Just keep it upright through the turns... ;)
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I'm not sure if their prices are any good to begin with, but there is a
15%off batteries.com coupon code: GEICO1 listed on slickdeals.net
http://slickdeals.net/category/other/
They carry optima YTs, and their prices are as follows
YT - D51 - $139.99
YT - D75/25 - $149.99
YT - D34/78 - $169.99
YT - D31a - $182.79
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Oops.
Batteries.com
pardon my sleep deprivation.
-C
On May 13, 2005, at 7:55 PM, Gravity Girl wrote:
I'm not sure if their prices are any good to begin with, but there is
a 15%off batteries.com coupon code: GEICO1 listed on slickdeals.net
http://slickdeals.net/category/other/
They carry optima YTs, and their prices are as follows
YT - D51 - $139.99
YT - D75/25 - $149.99
YT - D34/78 - $169.99
YT - D31a - $182.79
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Hi EVerybody;
It's that time again. The second Sat of the month, so were getting together,
if ya can make it, at Jack Gretta's place in Chester, CT. As we did LAST month.
Seeya there? Hit me back if you need directions.
Seeya
Bob
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--- Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Optimas have an odd shape, so insulating them can
> be interesting.
> >> One idea is to take advantage of their 6-pack
> cylindrical shape.
> >> Put them in your battery box, then pour in loose
> styrafoam beads.
>
> mreish wrote:
> > You mean like the stuff found in bean bag chairs?
>
> Yes; exactly!
> -
the only problem is the stuff is so light that the
slightest air circulation will have little white beads
all over the place---better have some way to seal the
top off
my .02
keith
> Ring the bells that you can ring
> Forget your perfect offering
> There is a crack in everything
> That's how the light gets in
> -- Leonard Cohen, from "Anthem"
> --
> Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377
> leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
>
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