EV Digest 4386
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: What conversion kits would you be interested in? (long)
by Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: What conversion kits would you be interested in? Kia Rio Cinco
Wagon
by Dee Dreslough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: What conversion kits would you be interested in? (long)
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Can this possibly work (for an EV)?
by jimevdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: conversion kit
by Sherry Boschert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: What conversion kits would you be interested in? (long)
by Mark Farver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: What conversion kits would you be interested in? (long)
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: What conversion kits would you be interested in? (long)
by "Christopher Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) 48v charging
by Gravity Girl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) ADC 6.7" rpm limit
by "Chris Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Dual Etek Motor Mounting Plan?
by Mark Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: What conversion kits would you be interested in? (long)
by "Mark Villemaire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: What conversion kits would you be interested in? (long)
by Mark Farver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) 24v-12v DC-DC Converter
by "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: What conversion kits would you be interested in? (long)
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: 24v-12v DC-DC Converter
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) What conversion kits would you be interested in? [Census?]
by Larry Skidmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) RE: What conversion kits would you be interested in? (long)
by Tom Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: What conversion kits...
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
20) in wheel motors - does anybody actually make these for car/motorbike?
by Tom Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) active suspension
by "Christopher Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Dual Etek Motor Mounting Plan?
by [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BadFishRacing)
23) Re: in wheel motors - does anybody actually make these for car/motorbike?
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) RE: in wheel motors - does anybody actually make these for car/motorbike?
by "Richard Rau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Dual Etek Motor Mounting Plan?
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Transmission stuff (+ ASCII art!)
by Nick Viera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: What conversion kits would you be interested in? (long)
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: 120-volt Magnacharger (was Re: GFCI with PFC?)
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I like it already.... EV Cruiser. I have a friend who
is an architect that does respnsible off the grid
stuff. He wanted me to think about converting his.
Maybe I'll look at it this week.
Gadget
--- James Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been eyeing them for sometime and totaly agree
> I think an EV PT would be
> smokin'! I think the 1st gen PT and Neon have the
> same transmission so a kit
> could be made for both, not positive. There are
> alot of 95-97 Neon's
> with blow
> heads all over Southern Ontario.
>
> James
>
> Quoting Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > I've always thought that a PT Cruiser would be fun
> to
> > convert. the floor is so thick that it looks like
> you
> > could fit a pack of hawkers or sonnenscheins(a
> > subsidiary or Exide) under the floor. The car
> should
> > have more pep than the original....
> > Gadget
>
>
>
>
visit my website at www.reverendgadget.com
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jerry dycus wrote:
Looking around for car bodies to take a
mold, parts from I ran across the Kia Spectra?
Also the Kia Rio Cinco, for those of us who want a wagon. :)
-Dee
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Look at PT's weight and your enthusiasm will somewhat cool off.
Victor
James Sullivan wrote:
I've been eyeing them for sometime and totaly agree I think an EV PT
would be
smokin'! I think the 1st gen PT and Neon have the same transmission so
a kit
could be made for both, not positive. There are alot of 95-97 Neon's
with blow
heads all over Southern Ontario.
James
Quoting Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I've always thought that a PT Cruiser would be fun to
convert. the floor is so thick that it looks like you
could fit a pack of hawkers or sonnenscheins(a
subsidiary or Exide) under the floor. The car should
have more pep than the original....
Gadget
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I have a '95 Explorer with built in trip computer. It can perform average or
instantaneous MPG calculations.
About 4 months ago I started an experiment, to determine the speed that gave me
the best mileage. I would set my cruise control, then reset my average MPG at
the same spot on my way home from work every day. I then recorded the average
MPG at the end of about a 2 mile stretch of flat road. I plotted speed vs avg
MPG. It's a fairly deserted 4-lane, so I could safely vary my speed (different
days) from 45 to 65MPH. I recorded the results for several weeks (what can I
say, I'm a nerd, and it was a boring drive)
What I quickly discovered, was that headwind made a larger difference than
speed. I could get anywhere from 25 to 29 MPG at a speed of 55 MPH, depending
on wind conditions. (there were lots of other variables too, such as draft
from traffic, ambient temp, measurement error, etc). I finally abandoned my
quest for "best speed", because there always seemed to be some wind, and I had
no easy way to quantify it (I used a flag at a gas station along the way for a
relative indicator).
I won't believe anyone's MPG claims on any device, without good scientific
data, that has been confirmed by independent testing. Just because 5 people
say they've increased their mileage doesn't show me their measurement methods
to prove anything.
Yes, reducing turbulence will help, but no where near the magnitude this web
site claims.
By the way, I found 52 mph to give me the best economy, but my uncertainty is
very high without lots more data.
Jim Seibert
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From: jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: May 23, 2005 9:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Can this possibly work (for an EV)?
Hi Victor and All,
--- Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am very skeptical about such things - it reminded
> me
> of those crooks selling magnets you're suppose to
> wrap around
> fuel line to increase mileage, but I wanted to hear
> opinion
> of experts in aerodynamics.
>
> http://quantumgravitics.tripod.com/id3.html
>
> As I understand it, anything reducing turbulence
> behind moving object will reduce drag; ideally
> you want only laminar flow behind. But if rear of a
> van is just flat wall, there is very little can be
> done
> to "fill" that spot right behind so the air
> will flow around as if there is invisible cone
> shaped
Not true, it can easily be done with a foil that
curves inward aft gently about the height their's is
set but not only on the top, but sides too in one
large u shaped foil around the rear. It should only
curve in 10deg over 1'.
> extension of the body exists. So this wing claims to
> reduce
While a good foil there will work wonders, this one
is NOT it!!! It's just a con as it will only add more
drag as it is.
One day I may make a foil kit to do just this. But
the Freedom EV is at the boatbuilder so busy for now
;-))
> turbulence. It seem in wrong spot though - there is
> no
> as much turbulence over the roof as it is right
> behind
> the vehicle, but *if* such thing can deflect the
> airflow,
> it can help some. I'd never believe in reducing
> drag TWICE by this method as claimed. May be few
> percent
> but somehow I doubt even that.
A good rear foil set with front, side air dams
could cut aero drag 25%. But this one probably adds
10%!!!
HTH's,
Jerry Dycus
>
> Anyone care to comment?
>
> --
> Victor
> '91 ACRX - something different
>
>
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As a non-techie consumer, all I can say is, yes!
Please! Anything! Like you, Mark, I often get people
asking me where they can find someone to do a
conversion for them. We have a couple of local
mechanics who are interested in doing conversions, but
we really need a newer-model conversion kit.
Sherry Boschert
San Francisco Electric Vehicle Association
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Victor Tikhonov wrote:
Look at PT's weight and your enthusiasm will somewhat cool off.
According to Chrysler's website:
Base Curb Weight - with Manual Transmission [lb]3032
PT Convertible edition:
Base Curb Weight - with Manual Transmission [lb]3471
Mazda 3
Base Curb Weight - with Manual Transmission [lb]2696
I admit I have a blind spot for the PT Cruiser after Chrysler classified
it as a truck to improve their light truck fuel economy fleet average.
Interestingly enough the loophole that allows the PT Cruiser to be a
truck (flat load floor to back of drivers seat, therefore a van) doesn't
work on the convertible, the top stowage gets in the way. So the
convertible is classed as a car, even though it weighs 400lbs more.
Still the PT is probably a good choice, and I will look into it
tonight. Salespeople given you really weird looks when you say you are
more interested in seeing the car on a lift than taking it for a test
drive. ;-)
Other ideas?
Mark Farver
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Has anyone looked into a Ford Ka? They're available in Europe, but not in
the US. There's even a sports version. The car is small, and most of the
body looks to be in front of the rear wheels. Don't know about room for
batteries.
Bill Dennis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of jerry dycus
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: What conversion kits would you be interested in? (long)
Hi Mark and All,
Looking around for car bodies to take a
mold, parts from I ran across the Kia Spectra? that
was good looking, aero, light and low cost, around 10K
that might be a good base for an EV.
Adding some accents, aero mods would make it
look different enough you could call it your own.
As a smaller company they may even be
willing to sell you gliders at an even better price or
at least give you a good discount.
The Aveo is another in the same price, aero,
weight catagory but could use some help in the looks
department.
Hopefully you can sell the ICE stuff to
lower your costs some.
HTH's,
Jerry Dycus
--- Mark Farver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The topics of conversion over the last few days have
> got me back to
> thinking about conversion kits again. At shows
> over the last few years
> I have had a dozen or so "checkbook in hand" offers
> to convert a
> vehicle. These people wanted an EV, but were unable
> to build a "custom"
> conversion (a large percentage were women,
> interesting enough). I had
> to turn them down, since the several hundred hours
> of time to "custom"
> convert a vehicle was beyond their budget or
> patience.
>
> Most of these potential drivers were just interested
> in having an EV,
> and often even made offers to purchase whatever I
> was showing. I've
> lost track of the number of "handy" people who have
> been interested, but
> lacked the metal fabrication and design skills to do
> a full conversion.
>
> There are a lot of reason why the
> Volts/Rabbit/Porsche and S10 kits are
> pretty much all we have. Cars come in much greater
> varieties today, and
> manufacturers often make radical changes from year
> to year. Buying a
> car to remove and essentially discard a bunch of
> stuff is never going to
> be too cost effective.
>
> Still, I remember the fun of assembling kits, or
> doing "bolt on" mods to
> my car. I know doing custom welding and design are
> more challenging and
> I should feel proud of "doing it all" when making a
> good conversion. In
> the end, I think I've generally received more
> enjoyment out of the "bolt
> in" stuff. Sure it's easier, but it looks good when
> done, and the job
> finishes quicker and I have a lot less frustrating
> "do it over" and "I
> should have done it X" moments. Most people you
> show the car to do not
> really appreciate the extra skill and effort it took
> to do it from scratch.
>
> Anyhow I think my next conversion will be the basis
> for a kit. The goal
> will be a minimal drilling and cutting, bolt in,
> snap together wiring,
> type kit, that can be installed by someone with
> average auto repair
> skills. My standards for a conversion are not quite
> John Wayland "show"
> quality, but I come fairly close. The kit will use
> standard conversion
> components where possible, with mounting adapters
> and custom harnesses
> wherever need to simplify installation.
>
> So ignoring all the reasons why this will not work,
> excessive cost, or
> is just plain a dumb idea:
> ------
> From this year's new car models what would you most
> want as a new EV?
> ------
>
> I have been looking to the economy end of the
> spectrum for the first
> kit. Something with four doors, a low new cost,
> lightweight with
> enough space for hardware and people. The compact
> trucks are always a
> good choice, but most of manufacturer's do not offer
> anything more than
> two seats in the less than $17k range. (On the plus
> side the truck
> platforms usually undergo slower changes than cars,
> and are usually are
> easier to convert) A truck kit would probably be a
> future project.
>
> Obviously trying to select one car as "perfect" will
> be nearly
> impossible but I'm looking for a good compromise
> choice to get going.
>
> My first pick is the Mazda 3, it is fairly roomy for
> a small car and is
> built in conjunction with Volvo atop an excellent
> platform. Available
> in an economy sedan trim for about $14k MSRP and
> power trim sedan and
> wagon versions for about $17k. A/C and electro
> hydraulic power steering
> are standard in the economy trim (unlike the Honda
> Civic), as are few
> neat features like power adjustable pedals. Fuel
> economy is near the
> top of its class, only lagging behind the hybrids
> and diesels. Most
> auto reviews place it in the top of economy car
> class for handling,
> features and build quality.
>
> Parts availability is moderate, Mazda has been
> sharing a lot of parts
> with Ford since their partnership. Mazda is not a
> struggling company
> per se, but they do have one of the lowest sales
> volumes in the US, and
> hence good incentives (0% financing, rebates, and an
> easy to get into
> fleet purchase program). The Mazda 3 is about 1
> year old, long enough
> to work out the bugs, young enough there should be
> no major changes to
> the platform for a few years. (The dealer said they
> have only been told
> that the AC system will change to a R-134
> alternative next year.)
>
> Other contenders might be the radical looking but
> spacious Scion xB and
> xA, the high resale value Honda Civic, Toyota
> Corolla or from the
> American's the Chevy Aveo or Ford Focus.
>
> So let me know your thoughts and feel free to mail
> me privately if you'd
> like.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark Farver
>
>
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Although I found the original Toyota Echo to be breathtakingly
unattractive, I think the current body style has improved significantly.
While I personally would vastly prefer the Mazda 3, the Echo has a lower
base price and significantly lower weight to recommend it. With a manual
transmision, base curb weight for the 2-door is 2035 lbs; the 4-door is
2055. Base MSRP is $10455.
It's probably worthwhile to have a kit that can be produced with little
modification between 2 and 4 door (or 3 and 5 door) versions of the same
car, and another kit for a popular compact truck. If a reasonable compact
SUV or minivan can be found, it might be a good addition to the lineup,
though they're a lot more expensive -- Honda's CRV starts at over $20K and
Toyota's RAV4 at $18,750. It's not really an SUV but perhaps the PT
Cruiser could be seen as a less expensive alternative to one of these.
--chris
Mark Farver said:
> Victor Tikhonov wrote:
>
>> Look at PT's weight and your enthusiasm will somewhat cool off.
>>
> According to Chrysler's website:
> Base Curb Weight - with Manual Transmission [lb]3032
>
> PT Convertible edition:
> Base Curb Weight - with Manual Transmission [lb]3471
>
> Mazda 3
> Base Curb Weight - with Manual Transmission [lb]2696
>
> I admit I have a blind spot for the PT Cruiser after Chrysler classified
> it as a truck to improve their light truck fuel economy fleet average.
> Interestingly enough the loophole that allows the PT Cruiser to be a
> truck (flat load floor to back of drivers seat, therefore a van) doesn't
> work on the convertible, the top stowage gets in the way. So the
> convertible is classed as a car, even though it weighs 400lbs more.
>
> Still the PT is probably a good choice, and I will look into it
> tonight. Salespeople given you really weird looks when you say you are
> more interested in seeing the car on a lift than taking it for a test
> drive. ;-)
>
> Other ideas?
>
> Mark Farver
>
>
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Questions about charging for my EVT-
I removed the stock charger that came with the EVT, not knowing if it
is smart or not (my guess is that it isn't that smart, if at all) and
replaced with with a Soneil 48v charger. I also put on 4 Rudman regs to
make sure the batteries stay in balance during the charge.
A member on another list I am on (for e-mopeds) told me she had heard
that the Soneil was good for a top-off charge, but that the batteries
would last longer with a minimum 10A initial charge. They recommended
the Zivan NG1 to provide this. Since I can charge my EVT all day while
at work and all night while at home, speed isn't so much of an issue.
I have noticed that the regs only pulse for a very short period of time
during charging, my guess is because the Soneil takes things nice and
slow with a very low current finish.
So, questions:
Will starting a 48v charge on SLA batteries at 10A increase battery
life?
Is the soneil under-charging?
Should I add a second soneil in parallel to increase charge current?
Do the regs sound like they are behaving properly? (or have I messed up
the installation somehow)
I forgot to bring my dvm to work today to check the battery levels at
full charge. I imagine that will help answer question #2.
Thanks!
-Cristin
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Does anyone know what is the maximum safe speed for an Advanced DC 6.7"
motor?
Chris
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I am building a small 3 wheel cabin scooter and using dual eteks. My current
plan is to use both motors facing eachother sharing a single sprocket over the
end of both shafts (short shaft motor) and a key long enough to go down both
shafts completely so they are forced to rotate at the same speed and it will
allow an simpler/lighter drivetrain.
For people more familiar then I with the Etek is their a long term issue with
doing it this way? One motor going CW and the other CCW would be my main long
term concern.
I have seen motorcycles with the eteks mounted the same way sharing a chain
and facing with seperate sproket/chains but I'm expecting to commute on this so
need something that will last long term.
Thanks for any advice,
Mark Hastings
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I think that the Mini-Cooper would make an excellent conversion car, low
weight and frontal area.
Mark
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Christopher Robison wrote:
Although I found the original Toyota Echo to be breathtakingly
unattractive, I think the current body style has improved significantly.
Reviews of the Echo are less than glowing:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/toyota/echo/100397166/review.html
I have personally driven an Echo as a rental car, and I would place it
above the Kia Rio in build quality. Its fairly driveable, lacks any
sound damping (we don't care) but everything about the interior feels
cheap. I recall the brake performance as barely adequate.
Since the Echo/Scion xA and xB are all on the same platform it might be
possible to build closely related kits for all three. Everything under
the hood might work out the same, just would require different battery
mounting in the rear. That would certainly give a nice variety of car
sizes and visual appearances.... plus there is an aftermarket crowd
persuing the xB, so things like suspension mods and brake upgrades might
be more readily available.
Mark Farver
Mark Farver
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I'm interested in finding a DC-DC converter to operate 12-volt
devices from a 24-volt battery pack. 100 watts output would
be enough. Does anybody know where to find such a thing?
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i really loved the conversion someone talks about here, i missed the link
but it was a toyota echo (yaris n europe) very professionaly like converted.
Seems to be a good EV candidate for urban and around.
Philippe
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http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: What conversion kits would you be interested in? (long)
> Has anyone looked into a Ford Ka? They're available in Europe, but not in
> the US. There's even a sports version. The car is small, and most of the
> body looks to be in front of the rear wheels. Don't know about room for
> batteries.
>
> Bill Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of jerry dycus
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:05 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: What conversion kits would you be interested in? (long)
>
> Hi Mark and All,
> Looking around for car bodies to take a
> mold, parts from I ran across the Kia Spectra? that
> was good looking, aero, light and low cost, around 10K
> that might be a good base for an EV.
> Adding some accents, aero mods would make it
> look different enough you could call it your own.
> As a smaller company they may even be
> willing to sell you gliders at an even better price or
> at least give you a good discount.
> The Aveo is another in the same price, aero,
> weight catagory but could use some help in the looks
> department.
> Hopefully you can sell the ICE stuff to
> lower your costs some.
> HTH's,
> Jerry Dycus
>
>
> --- Mark Farver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The topics of conversion over the last few days have
> > got me back to
> > thinking about conversion kits again. At shows
> > over the last few years
> > I have had a dozen or so "checkbook in hand" offers
> > to convert a
> > vehicle. These people wanted an EV, but were unable
> > to build a "custom"
> > conversion (a large percentage were women,
> > interesting enough). I had
> > to turn them down, since the several hundred hours
> > of time to "custom"
> > convert a vehicle was beyond their budget or
> > patience.
> >
> > Most of these potential drivers were just interested
> > in having an EV,
> > and often even made offers to purchase whatever I
> > was showing. I've
> > lost track of the number of "handy" people who have
> > been interested, but
> > lacked the metal fabrication and design skills to do
> > a full conversion.
> >
> > There are a lot of reason why the
> > Volts/Rabbit/Porsche and S10 kits are
> > pretty much all we have. Cars come in much greater
> > varieties today, and
> > manufacturers often make radical changes from year
> > to year. Buying a
> > car to remove and essentially discard a bunch of
> > stuff is never going to
> > be too cost effective.
> >
> > Still, I remember the fun of assembling kits, or
> > doing "bolt on" mods to
> > my car. I know doing custom welding and design are
> > more challenging and
> > I should feel proud of "doing it all" when making a
> > good conversion. In
> > the end, I think I've generally received more
> > enjoyment out of the "bolt
> > in" stuff. Sure it's easier, but it looks good when
> > done, and the job
> > finishes quicker and I have a lot less frustrating
> > "do it over" and "I
> > should have done it X" moments. Most people you
> > show the car to do not
> > really appreciate the extra skill and effort it took
> > to do it from scratch.
> >
> > Anyhow I think my next conversion will be the basis
> > for a kit. The goal
> > will be a minimal drilling and cutting, bolt in,
> > snap together wiring,
> > type kit, that can be installed by someone with
> > average auto repair
> > skills. My standards for a conversion are not quite
> > John Wayland "show"
> > quality, but I come fairly close. The kit will use
> > standard conversion
> > components where possible, with mounting adapters
> > and custom harnesses
> > wherever need to simplify installation.
> >
> > So ignoring all the reasons why this will not work,
> > excessive cost, or
> > is just plain a dumb idea:
> > ------
> > From this year's new car models what would you most
> > want as a new EV?
> > ------
> >
> > I have been looking to the economy end of the
> > spectrum for the first
> > kit. Something with four doors, a low new cost,
> > lightweight with
> > enough space for hardware and people. The compact
> > trucks are always a
> > good choice, but most of manufacturer's do not offer
> > anything more than
> > two seats in the less than $17k range. (On the plus
> > side the truck
> > platforms usually undergo slower changes than cars,
> > and are usually are
> > easier to convert) A truck kit would probably be a
> > future project.
> >
> > Obviously trying to select one car as "perfect" will
> > be nearly
> > impossible but I'm looking for a good compromise
> > choice to get going.
> >
> > My first pick is the Mazda 3, it is fairly roomy for
> > a small car and is
> > built in conjunction with Volvo atop an excellent
> > platform. Available
> > in an economy sedan trim for about $14k MSRP and
> > power trim sedan and
> > wagon versions for about $17k. A/C and electro
> > hydraulic power steering
> > are standard in the economy trim (unlike the Honda
> > Civic), as are few
> > neat features like power adjustable pedals. Fuel
> > economy is near the
> > top of its class, only lagging behind the hybrids
> > and diesels. Most
> > auto reviews place it in the top of economy car
> > class for handling,
> > features and build quality.
> >
> > Parts availability is moderate, Mazda has been
> > sharing a lot of parts
> > with Ford since their partnership. Mazda is not a
> > struggling company
> > per se, but they do have one of the lowest sales
> > volumes in the US, and
> > hence good incentives (0% financing, rebates, and an
> > easy to get into
> > fleet purchase program). The Mazda 3 is about 1
> > year old, long enough
> > to work out the bugs, young enough there should be
> > no major changes to
> > the platform for a few years. (The dealer said they
> > have only been told
> > that the AC system will change to a R-134
> > alternative next year.)
> >
> > Other contenders might be the radical looking but
> > spacious Scion xB and
> > xA, the high resale value Honda Civic, Toyota
> > Corolla or from the
> > American's the Chevy Aveo or Ford Focus.
> >
> > So let me know your thoughts and feel free to mail
> > me privately if you'd
> > like.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mark Farver
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
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From: "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:32 PM
Subject: 24v-12v DC-DC Converter
> I'm interested in finding a DC-DC converter to operate 12-volt
> devices from a 24-volt battery pack. 100 watts output would
> be enough. Does anybody know where to find such a thing?
>
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Only on the list for a month or so, so sorry if this is a FAQ. Has there been
any census of conversion starting models / satisfaction with the end product?
>From software, to toothpaste, I've found that buying the brand with the
>largest "installed base" to frequently be a strategy for success. The
>creative will not be bogged down by this, but we newbies approaching our first
>conversion might have an easier time of it with some stat's on what works.
Larry Skidmore
Puebla, Mexico
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Dear Mark
I enjoyed hearing this post, and it got me thinking...
what would get me excited?
Kia Sportage!
I thought an older one would be better and the idea of
having in wheel motors to reduce the drive components
also would be an exciting way to go. their price is
also good for an suv I'm sure you'd get alot of people
wanting to do this as a convert!
Tom
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> > Look at PT's weight and your enthusiasm will somewhat cool off.
> >
> According to Chrysler's website:
> Base Curb Weight - with Manual Transmission [lb]3032
>
> PT Convertible edition:
> Base Curb Weight - with Manual Transmission [lb]3471
>
> Mazda 3
> Base Curb Weight - with Manual Transmission [lb]2696
>
Certainly makes that 2800-3000lb Pacer look like a possible choice!
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Hi all
I have been searching around for in wheel motors. The
posting about mistubitchy got me on to this and
hearing a friend telling me about needing 4wd in the
new vehicles he is looking at.
1)Does anybody actually make in wheel motors? my
searches turn up lots of of bicycle wheel motors and
batteries but few(none!) car or motorbike ones and the
links I have found seem to be ideas and prototypes
rather than actual manufactured wheel motors. I
suspect that 4 wheel-motors could each be a quarter
the size of the single motors being used today.
2)what about controllers for them?
3)could this have a sort of abs/traction
control/regenerative brakeing application? seems this
could all be built into the controller! is anybody
making these already?
4)What about regenerative bounce supression? use that
power to supress bounce to give extra charge to the
battery! After all your putting more weight in that
area, why not use it.
I appreciate any input on this!
tia
Tom
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Tom Watson said:
> 4)What about regenerative bounce supression? use that
> power to supress bounce to give extra charge to the
> battery! After all your putting more weight in that
> area, why not use it.
>
> I appreciate any input on this!
The only sort of thing I'm aware of in this vein is an active suspension
design currently being developed by Bose:
http://www.bose.com/learning/project_sound/bose_suspension.jsp
It's basically a computer controlled voice-coil in the form of a shock
absorber. I think I saw it in Wired recently; the review I read was very
positive. Maybe this might be just the sort of thing that's necessary to
counteract the negative impact that wheel motors have on a car's handling.
--chris
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In my experience, the center of the timing slots is neutral timing. So out of
the box, the motor will perform the same in either direction. I've only had to
adjust the timing a tiny bit to get equal current on both motors.
As far as sharing a single sprocket, as with joining any shafts, any
misalignment will wear on the motor bearings. Just be sure you join the two
motors first, then attach the motors to the mounting brackets. I'm not sure
exactly how critical the shaft alignment will be? Anyone else..
Darin Gilbert
BadFishRacing
-------------- Original message from Mark Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> I am building a small 3 wheel cabin scooter and using dual eteks. My current
> plan is to use both motors facing eachother sharing a single sprocket over
> the
> end of both shafts (short shaft motor) and a key long enough to go down both
> shafts completely so they are forced to rotate at the same speed and it will
> allow an simpler/lighter drivetrain.
>
> For people more familiar then I with the Etek is their a long term issue with
> doing it this way? One motor going CW and the other CCW would be my main long
> term concern.
> I have seen motorcycles with the eteks mounted the same way sharing a chain
> and
> facing with seperate sproket/chains but I'm expecting to commute on this so
> need
> something that will last long term.
>
> Thanks for any advice,
> Mark Hastings
>
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Say for example that you could buy one(or 2 or 4) of these wheel
motors from Mitsubishi. What inverter are you going to use with it?
http://media.mitsubishi-motors.com/contents/newsrelease/200505101269/2005051012692.jpg
http://media.mitsubishi-motors.com/pressrelease/e/corporate/detail1269.html
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Tom, Your ideas have plenty of merit. When it comes to actually DOING
these things, I think of dollars in the high six figures because of the
requirement for substantial high-end
design/machining/fabrication/fussing/prototyping. Considering the current
scarcity of bolt-on components of the type you mention, much of it would
need to be scratch built. Either that or significant creative retrofitting.
Still, the concepts you laid out are valid. It may just take some time
before the ideas connect with the resources.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom Watson
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: in wheel motors - does anybody actually make these for
car/motorbike?
Hi all
I have been searching around for in wheel motors. The
posting about mistubitchy got me on to this and
hearing a friend telling me about needing 4wd in the
new vehicles he is looking at.
1)Does anybody actually make in wheel motors? my
searches turn up lots of of bicycle wheel motors and
batteries but few(none!) car or motorbike ones and the
links I have found seem to be ideas and prototypes
rather than actual manufactured wheel motors. I
suspect that 4 wheel-motors could each be a quarter
the size of the single motors being used today.
2)what about controllers for them?
3)could this have a sort of abs/traction
control/regenerative brakeing application? seems this
could all be built into the controller! is anybody
making these already?
4)What about regenerative bounce supression? use that
power to supress bounce to give extra charge to the
battery! After all your putting more weight in that
area, why not use it.
I appreciate any input on this!
tia
Tom
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Hi Mark and All,
--- Mark Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am building a small 3 wheel cabin scooter and
> using dual eteks. My current plan is to use both
> motors facing eachother sharing a single sprocket
> over the end of both shafts (short shaft motor) and
> a key long enough to go down both shafts completely
> so they are forced to rotate at the same speed and
> it will allow an simpler/lighter drivetrain.
Another way to do yours is using a solid 'coupler'
which is a machined tube with a keyway cut into it
made to join 2 shafts together. This would almost
garrantee alignment. Most any 'Bearing' store will
have them and they cost much less than other
couplers..
I've done a lot of boat drive shafts and if you
just take care doing it, you should have no problems.
Motion Industries is a good source of couplings,
Gates Polychain belts, sprokets, a dividsion of NAPA
which you can get them to from but more of a hasle and
probably more money.
When putting them together, I like to bolt one on
then put the other on and just take some weight off of
it, then tighten the seconds bolts down.
Then spin them, if it spins easy, you'll be ok.
You can put the sproket on one side of it or weld
it to the coupler. I'm doing my Freedom EV's 2 motors
this way.
Or just get a sprocket with a wide shaft hole so
to give enough surface to both shafts.
>
> For people more familiar then I with the Etek is
> their a long term issue with doing it this way? One
> motor going CW and the other CCW would be my main
> long term concern.
As they are neutral timed, it souldn't be a
problem. You could measure the amps to each or easier,
the voltage to each in with them in series, to make
sure they are sharing the load if you want.
> I have seen motorcycles with the eteks mounted the
> same way sharing a chain and facing with seperate
> sproket/chains but I'm expecting to commute on this
> so need something that will last long term.
Use a belt instead of a chain. It will cost less
within 5,000 miles and much less of a headache chain
will be. If you do chain, it should be enclosed and
with an oil bath to last.
HTH's
Jerry Dycus
>
> Thanks for any advice,
> Mark Hastings
>
>
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Hi,
Joe Smalley wrote:
Another test to put the transmission in neutral and see how much easier it
gets.
I recall it being about the same regardless of if the transmission is in
gear or not... but I'll repeat that test and pay better attention this time.
Thanks,
--
-Nick
http://Go.DriveEV.com/
1988 Jeep Cherokee 4x4 EV
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Reverend Gadget wrote:
> I've always thought that a PT Cruiser would be fun to convert.
This car dealer in Norman Oklahoma sells brand new 2005 PT Cruiser's for $9988!
http://www.normannobody.com/
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Delco Electronics Portable EV Battery Charger P200, Input 120V 50/60
Hz. 10A max. Output 1000W max.
One sold a month or two ago along with a private S-10EV truck on eBay.
I got the specs above from the seller.
You'd think these would be everywhere, but apparently not. They
mostly all went back with the EV1 when the lease ended. And I have
never heard of any being saved from recycling (crushing).
If anyone knows otherwise, I'd be interested.
Richard Kelly
1997 S-10EV
On 5/24/05, Lightning Ryan ev-at-dolio.lh.net |vehicle/1.0-Allow|
<...> wrote:
> I think those were the EV1 "Emergency Chargers".
> Each EV1 had one straped down in the trunk, at
> least there was one in the car I rented for a day.
> On the bright side, there should be a thousand or so.
> Hard to say what might have happened to them all?
>
> L8r
> Ryan
>
> Lee Hart wrote:
> > Jim Coate wrote:
> >
> >>Were 120 volt Magnechargers actually made? If so, where can I get
> >>me one?
> >
> >
> > Yes, there was a portable cord-connected model that plugged into a
> > normal 120vac wall receptacle, and had the paddle on the other end to
> > plug into the EV1. I don't know where you'd get one now.
>
>
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