EV Digest 4509
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: 180 V Contactor
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Conversion Van
by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) NiCDs and tractors.
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: A few NiMH's on eBay
by "George S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: A few NiMH's on eBay
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Very simple BMS
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Prius
by "djsharpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Very simple BMS
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Newbie - Need Charging Help
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Prius
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: 180 V Contactor
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: Prius
by "djsharpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Smart Charger
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Prius
by "Jon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Prius
by "Christopher Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Prius
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Prius
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) e mower
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Smart Charger
by "Sharon Hoopes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Smart Charger
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Very simple BMS
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Smart Charger
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Smart Charger
by "Sharon Hoopes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Very simple BMS
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Very simple BMS
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Very simple BMS
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: New EM pictures and a newbee question.
by "Alex Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: OT watch the acronyms!
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: Very simple BMS
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Re: OT watch the acronyms!
by Steve O <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Rush<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu<mailto:ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: 180 V Contactor
Hello,
What contactors should I use for a 180 V system? Where can I get them? I want
2, one for the key switch and another for my Zilla. One will be on the neg path
(key) and the other on the pos path (Zilla?) of the bat pack. Amp wise I am not
sure what it should be.
Will a Kilovac Cozonka lll, EV-200 work for me? It has 250 amps continuous.
My battery pack will be 30 Trojan T-125's.
Thanks for the help.
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org<http://www.ironandwood.org/>
Hello Rush,
If you want the best contactor made, that is design for electric vehicles,
look at the A1200 DC Contactors that have 300 and 400 amps continuous with
magnetic blows and accessories mounts for microswitches.
I pay about $400.00 for this contactor.
They are made by Cableform, Ltd., Gratrix Works, Gratrix Lane, Sowerby
Bridge, West Yorkshire, England HX6 2PH.
State side distributor is:
Cableform, Inc.
8845 Three Notch Road
Troy, Virgina 22974-9512
Tel: 804-589-8224
Fax: 804-589-3803
I have now run these contactors in my 180 volt EV. You can get the coils
voltage from 12 to 270 volts. I used a 180 volt coil which is then control by
a plug in glass relay from Square D Company that has a 12 volt coil and 250
volt contact ratings.
If you used a 12 volt coil on these contactors, the amperes is about 5 amps.
At 180 volts its only .2 amp.
If at 12 volts, its is best to used a Bidirectional Zener Overvoltage
Transient Suppressor across the coils leads, like NTE's 4993 to 4999 classes ot
you can order it with optional Single-Diode Suppression or Resistor-Diode
Suppression if you used the lower voltage coils.
Still used the Bidirectional Zener Suppressor across the coil even at 180
volts to protect the relay contacts.
Having the contactor coils operated off the main battery pack is no problem.
These contactors still hold down to 5% of the norminal coil voltage, or 9
volts.
Pull in voltage on these contactors are 120 volts or well below the low cut
range of a controller, so the voltage drop of the battery pack is not a
concern.
These contactors can work on a overvoltage of over 230 volts.
These contactors will take a maximum surge amperes of 2000 amps at 240 volts.
I now have run two of these contactors for over 30 years now. I order one
spare contactor plus all replacement spare parts and contacts. Did not have to
used any spare parts as of to date. You can either replace a contact or weld
on new silver-cadmium contacts with high temperature silver solder. Never have
to do that yet.
The new spare contactor will still fit the mounting brackets. It's like
buying a circuit breaker for a house panel that was install in the 1940's. 50
years from now, you can still buy parts for your EV.
Cableform, Inc. has to have replacements parts that will replace any
industrial items made way back then. They just go done installing the motor
control systems in one of are new nuclear submarines.
Roland
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Hi Randy and all,
Jet Industries did do a few full size Dodge Vans and Maxi-Vans around '79
or' 80. 144 Volts of golf cart batteries, GE SCR controller and an 11" GE
motor, Dismal performance and poor range. I think they could hit 45 mph
but the range was only something like 20-25 miles. A couple of the
Maxi-Vans turned up for sale in Iowa a few years back. I would love to
mess with one but they didn't seem too practical. Sadly, I think they
ended up getting scrapped.
For your project the real question is what is the mission for this
vehicle? Haul one person? Haul seven people? Haul half a ton of
furniture? Whether or not an EV conversion of this van can be made to
handle you needs is going to depend on what you want to use it for. If it
can be done, then the question becomes the cost.
The cheapest conversion I ever heard of was done for $1500. Most run $5000
to $9000 if you stick to the lower end components. Even if gas hits $3 per
gallon and your van gets only 12 miles per gallon $9000 will buy enough gas
to go 36,000 miles or enough to make your projected 80 mile trip 450
times. Driving gasoline free is seldom cheap enough to make up for the
cost of conversion.
I think a more realistic idea for you might be to purchase a used
conversion and use it to cover the trips that don't require the range or
cargo capacity of the van. Decent conversions are often available for less
than the price of the parts. Say pick one up for $4000, drive it for a
while and learn how well an EV fits your needs. Odds are if you keep it in
good shape you could then resell it for at least what you invested.
Thanks,
Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
'95 Solectria Force
Kansas City, Missouri
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I'm really glad you got this working Mark; even with the Hydrostatic
transmission your numbers sound pretty close to my Elec-trak with 30 of
them. (Soon to be 60 when I get my nickel interconnects).
Honest question: Do you miss the concept of multiple motor speeds with
the hydro transmission and clutch? If you don't need a controller for a
lawn tractor, you just saved a boatload of money and made a solution
that will pretty much last forever.
Sears tractors are pretty stock and have engines that blow up before the
tractor frame's time. It would probably be worth it to a lot of people
for you to post some of your issues and thoughts in converting this. For
example: What kind of contactor interlock did you come up with, and
where did you put the batteries?
This might be a good recommendation to other people who might want to
convert: Start by converting your lawn tractor. Pretty much all tractors
use open bowl carbs, no emissions control, and I think I recall that
they make as much pollution as 50 automobiles. So if you want to make a
serious dent in pollution, convert your lown mower not your car :-)
Chris
Mark Hastings wrote:
I have 40 of them in my Sears Craftsman Garden tractor
with a hydrostatic transmission. Yes I have only done
two mowing with it but they seem to work great with
the ETEK that is running them. I only briefly see 100
amps most of the mowing is at 65 amps. The 100 amps
was 10 inch high thick grass and I was going slowly
through it to mulch it up good going any faster was
about 90 amps but left clumps.
It may just be the EVness that is getting to me but I
have to say it is a whole lot better mower then it was
before mulching much cleaner and going up hills
faster. I'm going to try dropping to 36, 42 or even
43.2 (4 9 cell packs) volts for the next mow because
48 volts actually seems like too much.
Since the motor always goes one speed it still seems a
waste of money to do a controller since I am using a
PM motor.
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At 12:46 AM 7/17/2005 -0700, you wrote:
These seem to be the standard NIMH batteries used in EV1 and Toyota RAV4.
Anybody have BMS for these batteries?
These are EV1 ovonics batteries the RAV4 has Panasonic NIMH.
George S.
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I wonder where they are coming from. A truck filled with 25 of these
(300 volt base system) would have 100 mile range easily.
Mmmmm..... No, stick with the NiCDs for now CZ :-)
Chris
George S. wrote:
At 12:46 AM 7/17/2005 -0700, you wrote:
These seem to be the standard NIMH batteries used in EV1 and Toyota
RAV4. Anybody have BMS for these batteries?
These are EV1 ovonics batteries the RAV4 has Panasonic NIMH.
George S.
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Before I blow up a few zeners, is it possible to build a rock simple
battery clamper (7.5 volt cutoff) with just a 7.5 volt zener and an
appropriate size resistor?
Chris
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I am considering getting a 2001 Prius for my daughter. Could a Prius
owner pl advise suitable web site to look at issues & give general
advice.
Regards
David
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Christopher Zach wrote:
>
> Before I blow up a few zeners, is it possible to build a rock simple
> battery clamper (7.5 volt cutoff) with just a 7.5 volt zener and an
> appropriate size resistor?
Yes, that is exactly what I've done for a few people.
I built them for 12v batteries, and so used two 5 watt zeners, one 6.2v
and one 6.8v. The resistor is a #PR2 light bulb. This setup draws less
than 1ma at 13.0v, and 500ma at 15v.
For 6v batteries, you'd need a single high-power 6.2v to 6.8v zener.
These are kind of scarce nowdays. Instead, I'd probably use a smaller
zener and a power transistor. If you thought you needed precise,
adjustable regulation, you could use an IC like a TL431 with a trimpot
and a power transistor.
--
Ring the bells that you can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in
-- Leonard Cohen, from "Anthem"
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Hi Joel, and welcome to the list!
The K&W is actually a good smart charger, as it
tapers the current down and ramps the voltage up,
according to its programming resistors.
I type slow, and it's a meaty topic, so suffice it
to say, you need:
a) a refractometer or, a hygrometer,
b) a voltmeter,
c) the manual to your K&W
and d) www.usbattery.com or www.trojan.com (depending
on your batts.
They will tell you how high in volts per cell to take
the charge, and how often to equalize.
Have fun with your Rabbit. I'm guessing it's a Mike
Brown model, and I truly enjoyed mine before building
a Civic. (I like the body style more, and wanted to
refine a few aspects).
All of the best,
--- Joel Silverman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Excuse the basic questions but I could use some help
> in figuring out the charging on my Volts Rabbit. It
> has a 96V (6Vx16) US 125 Battery pack and a K&W 20
> charger. The car has an analog SOC gauge and that
> is
> it. Since this is a "dumb" charger, I really need
> help in determining how to best charge my pack.
>
> What steps should I take to make sure I am getting
> the
> most from my batteries.
> 1)How do I determine how much was pulled from the
> pack
> after driving (check the voltage)??
>
> 2) What are the steps in charging? I know of bulk
> and
> finish but not sure what it all means.
>
> 3) How do I figure out how to set up the charger. I
> see there is a Current setting and a Voltage
> setting.
> How do they relate to each other?
>
> I have a timer set up at home to turn the charger
> off.
>
> I sure could use some help. I know that these are
> the
> most basic of EV questions but I really want to
> understand the process involved in properly charging
> flooded batteries.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joel
>
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Hello David,
djsharpe wrote:
> I am considering getting a 2001 Prius for my daughter. Could a Prius
> owner pl advise suitable web site to look at issues & give general
> advice.
You narrowed your request field to just Prius owners, so as the owner of an
Insight hybrid
I feel a bit excluded....I'll nonetheless steer you over to those other hybrid
guys :-)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
With exception to the tedious and distracting political dialog they allow on
this DL, it
is otherwise an excellent source of information on all things Prius. Our own
Lee Hart is a
member of this list, as am I.
As a side bar.... today's trip from way up north in Port Townsend, WA back to
the Portland
metro area, with our fully loaded Insight packed with three days of travel
stuff and the
full people load of two, on a 27 mile portion of the trip up and over hilly
terrain it
logged 93.4 mph from Port Townsend to Kingston. The entire return leg home of
250.2 miles
from Port Townsend to Portland averaged 74 mph, that, with a fully loaded car,
and the AC
on the entire time while driving at freeway speeds. After 557.6 miles driven
for the round
trip this weekend which included lots of hill climbing and city driving, the
dash gauge
says there's still about 1/3 of the fuel left in the 10+ gallon tank...but
wait....according to GM's latest press release hybrids don't really work, this
from the
same idiots who crushed the EV1. Gotta love GM, as they say such stupid stuff
while at the
same time they have to nearly give away their vehicles at 'Employee pricing'.
Meanwhile,
Toyota has a waiting list at full retail pricing for their Prius, one of those
hybrids
that don't really work :-)
Hope this helps.
See Ya....John Wayland
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Rush wrote:
> What contactors should I use for a 180 V system? Where can I get
> them? I want 2, one for the key switch and another for my Zilla.
> One will be on the neg path (key) and the other on the pos path
> (Zilla?) of the bat pack. My battery pack will be 30 Trojan T-125's.
Roland Wiench wrote:
> If you want the best contactor made, that is design for electric
> vehicles, look at the A1200 DC Contactors that have 300 and 400
> amps continuous with magnetic blows and accessories mounts for
> microswitches. I pay about $400.00 for this contactor. They are
> made by Cableform, Ltd., Gratrix Works, Gratrix Lane, Sowerby
> Bridge, West Yorkshire, England HX6 2PH. State side distributor is:
>
> Cableform, Inc.
> 8845 Three Notch Road
> Troy, Virgina 22974-9512
>
> Tel: 804-589-8224
> Fax: 804-589-3803
Cableform makes great industrial-grade contactors. But, they are big and
expensive, and probably more than you need for your EV.
Despite the Zilla's breathtaking power capability, you aren't going to
want to draw over 500 amps peak from your golf cart batteries, and your
average battery current should certainly be kept under 250 amps. This
will allow a much smaller contactor to be used without risk.
Since you plan to have two contactors in series, I think you can use the
Albright SW200 series. They are rated at 96vdc, 250amps continuous, 1500
amps interrupting. The SW200 is a single, or the SW204 is a pair of
these contactors. The Albrights are widely available from KTA, EVparts,
etc.
Just make sure that in the event of an emergency shutdown, BOTH
contactors are turned off at the same time. Otmar can help you set up
the Zilla this way.
--
Ring the bells that you can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in
-- Leonard Cohen, from "Anthem"
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Thanks John for your most encouraging letter.
David
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Wayland
Sent: Monday, 18 July 2005 11:29 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: Prius
Hello David,
djsharpe wrote:
> I am considering getting a 2001 Prius for my daughter. Could a Prius
> owner pl advise suitable web site to look at issues & give general
> advice.
You narrowed your request field to just Prius owners, so as the owner of
an Insight hybrid
I feel a bit excluded....I'll nonetheless steer you over to those other
hybrid guys :-)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
With exception to the tedious and distracting political dialog they
allow on this DL, it
is otherwise an excellent source of information on all things Prius. Our
own Lee Hart is a
member of this list, as am I.
As a side bar.... today's trip from way up north in Port Townsend, WA
back to the Portland
metro area, with our fully loaded Insight packed with three days of
travel stuff and the
full people load of two, on a 27 mile portion of the trip up and over
hilly terrain it
logged 93.4 mph from Port Townsend to Kingston. The entire return leg
home of 250.2 miles
from Port Townsend to Portland averaged 74 mph, that, with a fully
loaded car, and the AC
on the entire time while driving at freeway speeds. After 557.6 miles
driven for the round
trip this weekend which included lots of hill climbing and city driving,
the dash gauge
says there's still about 1/3 of the fuel left in the 10+ gallon
tank...but
wait....according to GM's latest press release hybrids don't really
work, this from the
same idiots who crushed the EV1. Gotta love GM, as they say such stupid
stuff while at the
same time they have to nearly give away their vehicles at 'Employee
pricing'. Meanwhile,
Toyota has a waiting list at full retail pricing for their Prius, one of
those hybrids
that don't really work :-)
Hope this helps.
See Ya....John Wayland
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Define smart charger.....
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
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From: "Sharon Hoopes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: Smart Charger
> Looking for:
> 132 volt
> 30 amp output
> 240 input AC
> Smart Charger
>
>
> Bill & Sharon Hoopes
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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John Wayland wrote:
> wait....according to GM's latest press release hybrids don't really work
Can you provide a link to the press release? I tried to look for it on
Google, all I got was a press release of Chrysler and GM working together on
a hybrid powertrain.
thanks,
Jon Davis
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Not that this is really connected with the topic at all, but on the
subject of the Prius: For our meeting on Saturday, the AustinEV crew
gathered at the home of one of our members, Andrew Donoho, who bravely
offered up his 2004 Toyota Prius to receive the EV-mode kit from the folks
at Coastal Electronic Technologies. Far too many cooks were in the
kitchen, but somehow we managed to finish without blemishing Andrew's gem
of a car.
The installation was really easy and very well documented. The result was
a Prius that drove in silence (and I mean utter silence -- the *fap* *fap*
*fap* of a chip of cedar from Andrew's driveway lodged in a rear tire was
the noisiest thing on the car) up to 34mph. The disappointing part was the
range. While the battery pack is well-suited to hybrid use, it's sadly too
small to be very useful as an EV pack. Also unfortunate is that all you're
really doing is putting off the gasoline-fueled charging phase. But it
*is* a real treat while it lasts.
Pluggable hybrids can't come quickly enough in my opinion, and Andrew
agrees. His plan is to give rides to as many people as he can and I think
he'll have no trouble convincing folks of how cool it would be to be able
to drive electric in a fantastic car like the Prius on power from solar
arrays and Austin's Green Choice wind-powered electricity program. The
city of Austin is making major efforts to advocate the plug-in hybrid
concept, and I wish them the best of luck. I hear that there will be big
news about this in the near future.
A quick post on Saturday's Prius-centered shindig is here:
http://www.ohmbre.org/blog/?p=9
--chris
John Wayland said:
> Hello David,
>
> djsharpe wrote:
>
>> I am considering getting a 2001 Prius for my daughter. Could a Prius
>> owner pl advise suitable web site to look at issues & give general
>> advice.
>
> You narrowed your request field to just Prius owners, so as the owner of
> an Insight hybrid
> I feel a bit excluded....I'll nonetheless steer you over to those other
> hybrid guys :-)
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> With exception to the tedious and distracting political dialog they allow
> on this DL, it
> is otherwise an excellent source of information on all things Prius. Our
> own Lee Hart is a
> member of this list, as am I.
>
> As a side bar.... today's trip from way up north in Port Townsend, WA back
> to the Portland
> metro area, with our fully loaded Insight packed with three days of travel
> stuff and the
> full people load of two, on a 27 mile portion of the trip up and over
> hilly terrain it
> logged 93.4 mph from Port Townsend to Kingston. The entire return leg home
> of 250.2 miles
> from Port Townsend to Portland averaged 74 mph, that, with a fully loaded
> car, and the AC
> on the entire time while driving at freeway speeds. After 557.6 miles
> driven for the round
> trip this weekend which included lots of hill climbing and city driving,
> the dash gauge
> says there's still about 1/3 of the fuel left in the 10+ gallon tank...but
> wait....according to GM's latest press release hybrids don't really work,
> this from the
> same idiots who crushed the EV1. Gotta love GM, as they say such stupid
> stuff while at the
> same time they have to nearly give away their vehicles at 'Employee
> pricing'. Meanwhile,
> Toyota has a waiting list at full retail pricing for their Prius, one of
> those hybrids
> that don't really work :-)
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> See Ya....John Wayland
>
>
>
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Hello to All,
Jon wrote:
> John Wayland wrote:
>
> > wait....according to GM's latest press release hybrids don't really work
>
> Can you provide a link to the press release? I tried to look for it on
> Google, all I got was a press release of Chrysler and GM working together on
> a hybrid powertrain.
>
> thanks,
>
> Jon Davis
It was on both the Prius List and the Honda Hybrid list:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Here's the link to the 'Wired' magazine article that was all over these hybrid
DLs:
<http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.07/start.html?pg=11>
The GM exec states that hybrids only get 25% better fuel economy. I laugh at
statements
like this. Others say to effect, "Someday, we'll have the 80 mpg car." As
stated in my
earlier post, at one point in hilly terrain we were averaging 93 mpg in our 5+
year old
Honda Insight. I can travel 106 miles round trip between the cities of
Portland, OR and
the state's capital city Salem, and average 92 mpg...consistently. You call
that 25%
better fuel economy?....GM does.
I also often hear things like, "Those hybrids don't ever get their EPA rating."
My 5
speed 2000 Insight was rated at 70 mpg highway. With two of us in the car,
three days
worth of travel luggage for two, the AC on continuously, and at higher speeds
(more like
65-75 mph) than the EPA testers do for highway mileage (tested at a slower 55
mph), we
averaged 74 mpg over 250 miles of varied terrain driving. It's quite
frustrating to hear
such BS about hybrids, just as it's frustrating to hear untruths about EVs.
See Ya....John Wayland
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Hello ot All,
Christopher Robison wrote:
> Not that this is really connected with the topic at all, but on the
> subject of the Prius: For our meeting on Saturday, the AustinEV crew
> gathered at the home of one of our members, Andrew Donoho, who bravely
> offered up his 2004 Toyota Prius to receive the EV-mode kit from the folks
> at Coastal Electronic Technologies. ...The result was
> a Prius that drove in silence to 34mph. The disappointing part was the
> range. While the battery pack is well-suited to hybrid use, it's sadly too
> small to be very useful as an EV pack.
Friend Geoff Shepherd has his new '05 model that he equipped with the Euro
option of the
'EV' button, also. It does the same thing and makes one wish for a bigger
battery pack, or
a LiIon type of the same weight, and an on-board plug in charger.
See Ya.....John Wayland
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Yesterday I started taking the gas engine off the mower and just couldn't
stop , the gas engine had a 1 1/8 inch shaft , same as the net gain 8" . I
ended up cutting the shaft off the engine to get the pulley off, puller was
bending it up , and heat didn't help . It fit on the motor perfect and after
that I had to bolt the electric motor to the mower . I hooked up the belt
for the hydro's and spun the motor with 12v . Hydro drive works!!! . added 2
more batts which seemed to be as fast as needed. got lots to do still , this
mower was being used for parts so I have to re part it .
got to leave it for now though , full work day . Will have some pictures on
the grassroots web site when Jon gets them up.
steve clunn
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mainly "Turns its self off" do you have one.???
Bill & Sharon Hoopes
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> From: Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Date: 7/17/2005 8:10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Smart Charger
>
> Define smart charger.....
>
> Rich Rudman
> Manzanita Micro
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> From: "Sharon Hoopes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 12:02 PM
> Subject: Smart Charger
>
>
> > Looking for:
> > 132 volt
> > 30 amp output
> > 240 input AC
> > Smart Charger
> >
> >
> > Bill & Sharon Hoopes
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Yes I have a line of chargers that do this.
Check out
www.Manzanitamicro.com
Let me know if I can help.
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
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From: "Sharon Hoopes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:11 AM
Subject: Re: Smart Charger
>
> mainly "Turns its self off" do you have one.???
>
> Bill & Sharon Hoopes
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > Date: 7/17/2005 8:10:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: Smart Charger
> >
> > Define smart charger.....
> >
> > Rich Rudman
> > Manzanita Micro
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sharon Hoopes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 12:02 PM
> > Subject: Smart Charger
> >
> >
> > > Looking for:
> > > 132 volt
> > > 30 amp output
> > > 240 input AC
> > > Smart Charger
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill & Sharon Hoopes
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes!
Lee Hart had a nice circuit for this.
Joe and I had a LION tamer that really was a Zener and a Opto, and a
resistor. The Opto feed back to the PFC30 charger... and this gave analog
cut back of the charger as well as cell to cell equalilzation.
We never made one, but could if somebody wanted a few hundred.....
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
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From: "Christopher Zach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 4:07 PM
Subject: Very simple BMS
> Before I blow up a few zeners, is it possible to build a rock simple
> battery clamper (7.5 volt cutoff) with just a 7.5 volt zener and an
> appropriate size resistor?
>
> Chris
>
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You want a PFC20B, This will fit your appliation very well.
$1800 1 week lead time from your check getting here.
There are LOT of folks on this EV list that have this kind of charger...
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
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From: "Sharon Hoopes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:11 AM
Subject: Re: Smart Charger
>
> mainly "Turns its self off" do you have one.???
>
> Bill & Sharon Hoopes
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>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > Date: 7/17/2005 8:10:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: Smart Charger
> >
> > Define smart charger.....
> >
> > Rich Rudman
> > Manzanita Micro
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sharon Hoopes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 12:02 PM
> > Subject: Smart Charger
> >
> >
> > > Looking for:
> > > 132 volt
> > > 30 amp output
> > > 240 input AC
> > > Smart Charger
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill & Sharon Hoopes
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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thank you
Bill & Sharon Hoopes
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [Original Message]
> From: Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Date: 7/18/2005 7:10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Smart Charger
>
> Yes I have a line of chargers that do this.
> Check out
> www.Manzanitamicro.com
>
> Let me know if I can help.
>
> Rich Rudman
> Manzanita Micro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sharon Hoopes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Smart Charger
>
>
> >
> > mainly "Turns its self off" do you have one.???
> >
> > Bill & Sharon Hoopes
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> >
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > > Date: 7/17/2005 8:10:00 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Smart Charger
> > >
> > > Define smart charger.....
> > >
> > > Rich Rudman
> > > Manzanita Micro
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sharon Hoopes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 12:02 PM
> > > Subject: Smart Charger
> > >
> > >
> > > > Looking for:
> > > > 132 volt
> > > > 30 amp output
> > > > 240 input AC
> > > > Smart Charger
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bill & Sharon Hoopes
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > >
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--- Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes!
> Lee Hart had a nice circuit for this.
>
> Joe and I had a LION tamer that really was a Zener and a Opto, and a
> resistor. The Opto feed back to the PFC30 charger... and this gave analog
> cut back of the charger as well as cell to cell equalilzation.
>
Do you think I could make this work with Nicads, I believe their top end is 1.5
volts per cell. It
would have to be a simple (inexpensive) circuit because I would need over 300
of them. Does the
PFC20 work the same way?
Thanks
Dave Cover
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At 08:00 AM 7/18/2005, Dave Cover wrote:
Do you think I could make this work with Nicads, I believe their top end
is 1.5 volts per cell. It
would have to be a simple (inexpensive) circuit because I would need over
300 of them. Does the
PFC20 work the same way?
Are we sure it's NEEDED for NiCd batteries? These BB600's seem to allow a
fair amount of overcharging, and the cell voltage actually drops a bit
after they reach full charge.
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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Are we sure it's NEEDED for NiCd batteries? These BB600's seem to allow
a fair amount of overcharging, and the cell voltage actually drops a bit
after they reach full charge.
Well true, however I have noticed they start really bubbling along once
they hit 1.5 volts and that's about when all the AH out have been
replaced (thus meaning "full"). So what I'd like to do is clamp packs of
5 once they hit 7.5 volts, and give the others time to catch up. Right
now I stop the series charge when most of them come up to bubble land,
and use a dedicated smart charger on the laggard segments.
Then again they might just be coming into sync. I'll find out more after
the next set of runs with the tractor; right now all blocks are fully
charged.
Chris
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Hi Lawrence,
Sorry for the delay in relpying but as a newbee, I wasn't prepared for all
the e-mail I got from this list. Combine this with company for the weekend
and, well, here we are.
As you could guess, I can't be much help to you on the controller issue but
would you be willing to part with about 120 of these cells?
Although i still pland on building large enough to house lead/acid
batteries, the ni-cads would give me quite a performance boost.
Please let me know you thoughts.
Alex Smith
Medina, Ohio.
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Subject: Re: New EM pictures and a newbee question.
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:31:17 -0700
I still have about 200 or so of them. I need a controller more than these
batteries. LR..........
----- Original Message ----- From: "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: New EM pictures and a newbee question.
This list is as good a place as I know of to find them. They are usually
obtained as military surplus, and thanks to the efforts of one of our list
members earlier this year some of us got in on a buy stemming from a
surplus auction.
Unfortunately for you all of us who got in on this buy are just starting
to use our batteries and decididng whether they really fit the application
we were hoping to use them for. Mine are working out great for me, but I
suspect others will find that they don't, and be offering them for sale in
the future.
Since you are still in the design stage I would suggest looking at the
sizes of some of the more commonly used batteries and make sure you build
in a space that will accomodate as many of these choices as is practical.
We can certainly get you dimensions. With the BB600 the only dimension
you really need to worry about is the height which is approx. 9 1/4
inches, but they do require occasional watering so you will need easy
access to the tops of them. Also they are flooded so they need to be used
in a vertical position.
These people used to sell them, but it's been well over a year since I
last checked with them. Still you can see a photo and the dimensions.
http://www.sg-photo.com/nicad_batteries.htm
damon
From: "Alex Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: New EM pictures and a newbee question.
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:33:21 +0000
Hi Guys.
Just joined at the advice of Jerry Dycus as I am in the process of
building (well, gathereing the components and doing the design work) an
electric motorcycle.
It is to be a 'feet forward', low slung, semi-enclosed machine. While I
am currently designing the machine to accomodate 5 12volt flooded
batteries, the design would be much nicer with smaller batteries.
I've done a good bit of surfing but have been unable to find the BB600's
you have mentioned. Any leads?
Alex Smith
3 wheeled vehicle enthusiast.
Glider Pilot.
Sail boat enthusiast.
EV's fit right in there, don't they?
From: "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: New EM pictures
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:22:09 +0000
Actually 44 cells and 150lbs.
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Subject: Re: New EM pictures
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:59:04 -0700
So 60 batteries about 200 pounds? 17 miles. Great. If you can do any
Freeway that is great. The bike is so much cleaner now. Seems you
have the chain figured out too. LR........
I snapped a few shots of my bike with the BB600's mounted and added
them to my webpage.
http://home.comcast.net/~damonhenry/ebike.htm
I am much happier with the way it looks with these batteries. The
only downside is that people rarely notice that it is electric now :-(
damon
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I always tought that hp (horse hower) was there long before
Hewlett Packard been around too... :-)
Joe Strubhar wrote:
I agree with your post, Bob; but don't use the "HP" acronym for HomePower
mag. HP is Hewlett-Packard's designation, and just confuses people. Like
using the acronym "EAA" for Electric Automobile Association - EAA stands for
Experimental Aircraft Association, and has for more years than the Electric
Automobile Association has been around!
Joseph H. Strubhar
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
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From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: Battery fill system
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: Battery fill system
I got the site from the new issue of HomePower. The story is Power
Tower,
they were used on a battery bank consisting of 16 6V Interstate batteries
and cost $775, so 775 / (16*3) = about $16 per cap retail. Maybe cheaper
direct...
By the way there is also a good article by Shari Prange about the Pirus
+
HomePower is a great Mag that really promotes all aspects of Renewable
Energy and gives lots of very good how to do it articles. It would be
great
if somebody would do the same for EV's.
Hi Rush an' All;
HP has a lotta good stuff, they EVen try to get into EV stuff, although
they may be a bit dated. But we can fix that! An attempt was made a few
years ago with "Electric Car" magazine. Remember that, you older timers? I
thought they did a good job, articles, including stuff on John Wayland's
Racing. I subscribed, still waiting for volume two, sigh! It died after
one
nice slick issue, it would go better on a news-stand, somebody casually
looking for a read, on a long train or plain flight. With tons of mags on
a
newsstand, I think there could be room, along with Soap opera News,
Wrestling, People, Slime, I mean TIME !And a plethura of stuff that I
wouldn't take if they handed it to me if I were walking by.Gees! Look at
all
the VW stuff ya can get!
Maybe as EV's become more mainstream? Somebody could, would publish a
national mag. The List could be a great resourse.The Good Folks at Home
Power could start an EV mag, they have the distribution system in place,
for
HP already.
Just some random early morning thoughts.
Seeya
Bob
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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The short answer is no.
Christopher Zach wrote:
Before I blow up a few zeners, is it possible to build a rock simple
battery clamper (7.5 volt cutoff) with just a 7.5 volt zener and an
appropriate size resistor?
Chris
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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Surely Horse Hower would be HH? :-p
Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I always tought that hp (horse hower)
was there long before
Hewlett Packard been around too... :-)
Joe Strubhar wrote:
> I agree with your post, Bob; but don't use the "HP" acronym for HomePower
> mag. HP is Hewlett-Packard's designation, and just confuses people. Like
> using the acronym "EAA" for Electric Automobile Association - EAA stands for
> Experimental Aircraft Association, and has for more years than the Electric
> Automobile Association has been around!
>
> Joseph H. Strubhar
>
> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Rice"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Battery fill system
>
>
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Rush"
>>To:
>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 1:16 AM
>>Subject: Re: Battery fill system
>>
>>
>>
>>>I got the site from the new issue of HomePower. The story is Power
>
> Tower,
>
>>they were used on a battery bank consisting of 16 6V Interstate batteries
>>and cost $775, so 775 / (16*3) = about $16 per cap retail. Maybe cheaper
>>direct...
>>
>>>By the way there is also a good article by Shari Prange about the Pirus
>
> +
>
>>>HomePower is a great Mag that really promotes all aspects of Renewable
>>
>>Energy and gives lots of very good how to do it articles. It would be
>
> great
>
>>if somebody would do the same for EV's.
>>
>>> Hi Rush an' All;
>>
>> HP has a lotta good stuff, they EVen try to get into EV stuff, although
>>they may be a bit dated. But we can fix that! An attempt was made a few
>>years ago with "Electric Car" magazine. Remember that, you older timers? I
>>thought they did a good job, articles, including stuff on John Wayland's
>>Racing. I subscribed, still waiting for volume two, sigh! It died after
>
> one
>
>>nice slick issue, it would go better on a news-stand, somebody casually
>>looking for a read, on a long train or plain flight. With tons of mags on
>
> a
>
>>newsstand, I think there could be room, along with Soap opera News,
>>Wrestling, People, Slime, I mean TIME !And a plethura of stuff that I
>>wouldn't take if they handed it to me if I were walking by.Gees! Look at
>
> all
>
>>the VW stuff ya can get!
>>
>> Maybe as EV's become more mainstream? Somebody could, would publish a
>>national mag. The List could be a great resourse.The Good Folks at Home
>>Power could start an EV mag, they have the distribution system in place,
>
> for
>
>>HP already.
>>
>> Just some random early morning thoughts.
>>
>> Seeya
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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