EV Digest 4571
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) New EV - Question
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2) Re: prius with blown engine
by Mike Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Got my EV Grin :-)
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
4) Re: Got my EV Grin :-)
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
5) Re: factory S-10 charging woes
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Was Re: Got my EV Grin :-) Now: Wives & EVs
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Conversion Details
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Avcon wall unit.
by Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) RE: Was Re: Got my EV Grin :-) Now: Wives & EVs
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Was Re: Got my EV Grin :-) Now: Wives & EVs
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
11) Re: Powering refridgerator off of HV traction pack
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: Wayland Invitational Street Drags
by "Brian D.Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: EV-200 Resistor for 144v system
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: El Chopper
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Silver Bullet Electric Z Car Makes 7 Runs at the Drag Track!
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Powering refridgerator off of HV traction pack
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Auto-determination of AC current available
by Steve Gaarder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Auto-determination of AC current available
by "acid_lead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Archives (was Newbie)
by Martin Klingensmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Wayland Invitational Street Drags
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) RE: Conversion Details
by "Matthew D. Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Wayland Invitational Street Drags
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) RE: EV-200 Resistor for 144v system
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Conversion Details
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hello all,
I have been following the group for a few years, and finally got a chassis to
start my EV ...
a smart car ... appx 1000 lbs (without engine/transmission)..
Here are my specs
Desired range 30-40 miles (all basically city driving)
Desired Top speed 60 (or at least 50) or better
Desired Acceleration ... as long as it moves
Original engine was 50 hp (or 60 hp).
If I use the UVE calculator (hempev) starting with CRX at same weight, E-Tek
motor, and the D750, it appears that max continous speed should be ~55-57 (8 hp
continuous available), decent range using a tranmission.
If I switch to the A89, hp is more than enough, range becomes marginal (30+ at
40 mph).
Another thought is that the weight loaded (appx 1500-1700) is about the same as
the GEM NEV (loaded). Maybe I could use that transaxle with a bigger
motor/gearing (taller tires than the GEM) to obtain the same performance.
Other recommended motors?
Recommendations, experiences with either approaches, or general comments?
Thanks,
Peter
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Can you get a diesel to restart in the time it takes to take your foot
off the brake and press the accellerator?
-Mike
On 8/11/05, Carl Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> just a thought,
>
> I've always wondered what kind of mileage you could get if you could pair the
> vw tdi diesel with a proper hybrid drive. Diesel's relative lack of power
> bands would seem to make them good candidates for electric assist, and
> pairing hybrid savings with the already astronomical mileage of the tdi might
> get you into new territory.
>
> I know it would take some genius solutions to get some of the control modules
> to speak to each other but wouldn't it be a satisfying heads-up to VW and
> Toyota if it worked out and a hobbiest wound up building the best mileage
> four seater in existence.
>
> Carl Clifford
> Denver
>
>
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I kind of like that idea. I wonder if there is anyone in the Nashville area
that can do that? I know there is a Big Dog Chopper company here that has a
real good painter. I'll have to check that out. Thanks.
Jeff Wilson
USA(Ret)
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> Jeff Wilson wrote:
>
> >My wonderful wife of 21 years suggested we have it
> >painted dark purple with flames!!! I almost fell over my
> >jaw!
>
> Might I recommend dark purple with ball lightening instead?
> Perhaps dark purple with plasma balls?
>
> Congrats on getting it running. Another EV on the road
> displacing the miles of a gasser is another small step
> towards reducing pollution and dependence upon finite
> resources.
>
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Not a Damn thing. I have to keep grinnin' , it won't go away!
Jeff Wilson
USA(Ret)
-------------- Original message --------------
> Jeff
> Ain't a damn thing wrong with your life, is there? Keep on Grinnin', Buddy.
>
> David C. Wilker Jr.
> United States Air Force, Retired
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Wilson"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:13 PM
> Subject: Got my EV Grin :-)
>
>
> > Good EVening to EVeryone out there!
> >
> >
> >
> > I just wanted to let the world know that I now have a huge EV grin! I got
> > my E-10 running and charged last night at about midnight and so after work
> > and other stuff I finally got to take the truck out for a joy ride at
> > about
> > 9:45 PM. My wife came with on the maiden voyage. We had a ball! We
> > drove
> > all over the neighborhood for about 20 minutes. Then my wife asked if she
> > could drive home! I knew I married her for a good reason. I just can't
> > imagine too many wives out there going out on the first test run much less
> > asking to drive it as well. Anyway, I have to break in the new batteries
> > so
> > we could only go a short distance and call it a night. I burned off about
> > 6
> > AH in a little over 8 miles. With regen, it takes a while to use up the
> > amps while in stop and go neighborhood driving. When we got home we were
> > talking about the paint. The truck had been sitting in the AZ sun, baking
> > the clear coat off for over 9 years. It is kind of an emerald green so it
> > really took a beating. On top of that, a couple of birds had their way
> > with
> > the hood and roof so there are a few spots where the paint was eaten right
> > down to the bare metal. My wonderful wife of 21 years suggested we have
> > it
> > painted dark purple with flames!!! I almost fell over my jaw!
> >
> >
> >
> > I just got it charged back up and put to bed. It's my turn for bed now.
> > like I'm really going to get to sleep now!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks again to Victor Tikhonov, Jim Husted, David Roden, especially Tom
> > Hudson, and everyone else who helped me overcome many of the startup
> > problems this truck had.
> >
> >
> >
> > EV GRININ' now!
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeff Wilson
> >
> > USA(Ret)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thou shalt not send me any thing which says unto thee, "send this to all
> > thou knowest." Neither shalt thou send me any spam, lest I smite thee.
> > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> > Est. yearly US cost to safeguard Persian Gulf oil supply: $50 billion Est.
> > 2001 value of US crude oil imports from Persian Gulf: $19 billion
> > -- Harper's Index, April 2002
> >
> >
> >
>
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Hm.
I think there have been a number of different "MagneCharger" units built
over the years, mine is probably one of the older ones, being installed
in 93 or so.
What I have is a paddle socket, which connects to a pair of boxes in the
trunk. One is a computer, one has a heat sink and is the HV gating
system to the pack. The computer one has a number of sensors that go to
shunts, voltage on whole pack, and 9 temp sensors. All this goes thru
aircraft connectors and conduit to the pack.
Coming off the computer module is a 9 pin DIN plug (female). It is *NOT*
an RS232 port, more a +5 volt serial interface to the computer. However
it can talk to a PC with a +5 to +12 RS232 driver cable and a little
custom pin work.
There is a software package (actually two, one doesn't seem to work for
me) called EV200.ZIP. It does a lot of good things, allows you to change
the charge modes, set up the pack type, watch the temp, and do a bunch
of fun monitor-ing things.
I'm not sure if the EV1 and it's ilk have this, but I would guess they
do. Otherwise how would they program/fix it?
Chris
Jim Coate wrote:
Um... hook the PC to the charger or to the truck?
and where might I find EV200 software?
(time to learn some new tricks...)
Chris Zach wrote:
Hm, crummy. Is it possible to hook a PC up to it and use the EV200.exe
software to lie to the Magnecharger a bit?
I'm not sure what model of MC the EV1 used. Mine is probably first
generation; it doesn't monitor all the batteries one at a time however
it does monitor temps.
Chris
Jim Coate wrote:
So after a couple of weeks traveling (and some fun meeting a few
north west EVers) (and falling 1000's of e-mails behind), I am back
home and find that my spiffy factory made 1998 Chevy S-10 truck isn't
so happy. I left it on the charger (Magne Charger) while gone so it
could keep the batteries cool and topped off. But it apparently spent
much of the time saying "check vehicle". The charger refuses to
start; the truck doesn't want to go either. Checking the error codes
it seems to be that the voltage for battery #11 is too low and
because of (or in addition to?) this it won't close the main
contactor to start things up.
Anyone have any experience with these? It is the same drive system as
in the removed-from-existence EV1's. Dropping the battery pack is
probably quite an involved task. Ugh.
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Speaking of wives, some of you know I recently swapped
out a tranny with bad bearings in CivicWithACord.
When the new one went in I apparently scratched off
insulating plastic on the main contactor diode. The
two are mounted quite close. So every so often, the
controller mounting plate would short to the diode,
and I'd blow the fuse that goes to the main contactor
coil.
I was PISSED! My wife drove the EV, and it
happened to her. Was she pissed? No. She stood by
me while this obsessed technician I was figuring out
why the heck an EV that I'd put 2K miles on was now
intermittent.
Problem now solved. Her next line: "So now can I
spin the EV and hear that quiet transmission?"
Dang, I got a good 'un!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Not a Damn thing. I have to keep grinnin' , it
> won't go away!
>
> Jeff Wilson
> USA(Ret)
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > Jeff
> > Ain't a damn thing wrong with your life, is there?
> Keep on Grinnin', Buddy.
> >
> > David C. Wilker Jr.
> > United States Air Force, Retired
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Wilson"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:13 PM
> > Subject: Got my EV Grin :-)
> >
> >
> > > Good EVening to EVeryone out there!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I just wanted to let the world know that I now
> have a huge EV grin! I got
> > > my E-10 running and charged last night at about
> midnight and so after work
> > > and other stuff I finally got to take the truck
> out for a joy ride at
> > > about
> > > 9:45 PM. My wife came with on the maiden voyage.
> We had a ball! We
> > > drove
> > > all over the neighborhood for about 20 minutes.
> Then my wife asked if she
> > > could drive home! I knew I married her for a
> good reason. I just can't
> > > imagine too many wives out there going out on
> the first test run much less
> > > asking to drive it as well. Anyway, I have to
> break in the new batteries
> > > so
> > > we could only go a short distance and call it a
> night. I burned off about
> > > 6
> > > AH in a little over 8 miles. With regen, it
> takes a while to use up the
> > > amps while in stop and go neighborhood driving.
> When we got home we were
> > > talking about the paint. The truck had been
> sitting in the AZ sun, baking
> > > the clear coat off for over 9 years. It is kind
> of an emerald green so it
> > > really took a beating. On top of that, a couple
> of birds had their way
> > > with
> > > the hood and roof so there are a few spots where
> the paint was eaten right
> > > down to the bare metal. My wonderful wife of 21
> years suggested we have
> > > it
> > > painted dark purple with flames!!! I almost fell
> over my jaw!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I just got it charged back up and put to bed.
> It's my turn for bed now.
> > > like I'm really going to get to sleep now!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks again to Victor Tikhonov, Jim Husted,
> David Roden, especially Tom
> > > Hudson, and everyone else who helped me overcome
> many of the startup
> > > problems this truck had.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > EV GRININ' now!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jeff Wilson
> > >
> > > USA(Ret)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thou shalt not send me any thing which says unto
> thee, "send this to all
> > > thou knowest." Neither shalt thou send me any
> spam, lest I smite thee.
> > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> = = = = = = = = = = =
> > > Est. yearly US cost to safeguard Persian Gulf
> oil supply: $50 billion Est.
> > > 2001 value of US crude oil imports from Persian
> Gulf: $19 billion
> > > -- Harper's Index, April 2002
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
'92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V
____
__/__|__\ __
=D-------/ - - \
'O'-----'O'-'
Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came out of the steering wheel?
Are you saving any gas for your kids?
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I am converting a 300zx, hopeing to get 25 orbitals in it. I need help
with some of the details.
I have a PFC20+, the warp 9 is installed, and the controller arrives today.
What should I use for main contactors, the current rateing on the ev200
sounds too lightweight, is a ev250 big enough?
I have fuses.
I need a heater core, but with a 300V system, do I need a controller or
I could use [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 156V in series? too much heat? ( i live in
Fresno California, there are days where heat is nice, but mainly we need
heat for defroster).
I need motor and belts or individual motors to drive AC, Vacuum, and
Power steering.(which is better serpentine belt vs individual motors?)
Anderson connectors and opertunity adapter
angle iron,cables,emeter,shunt
dc-dc converter and aux battery.
what have I forgot.?
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Dave,
The pilot circuit is used to tell the charger how much current it may draw.
Ralph
Dave writes:
>
> Which connections does the wall unit use to tell the charger how much current
> is available. The data link connections,(not used here) or does it use the
> same
> wire which turns the wall unit on?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Aug 11, 2005 10:04 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Avcon wall unit.
>
> Dave writes:
> >
> > Does the AVCON wall unit simply supply 240 vac to
> > an AVCON compatible charger with some ground fault protection
> > or does it change the ac mains supply to some other (e.g. dc)
> > voltage? In short, could you wire an AVCON compatible charger
> > to plug into a standard 240 vac outlet ?
>
> The AVCON wall unit provides 240vac only, and includes ground fault
> protection. It also uses a 'pilot' signal/circuit that tells the wall
> unit when the handle is plugged into the vehicle, at which point the
> wall unit will turn on the AC. The wall unit will not turn on the AC
> unless the pilot signal is active.
>
> An AVCON compatible charger can work in a standard 240vac outlet as
> long as the charger doesn't require the pilot signal (the pilot signal
> tells the charger how much current the wall unit can provide, but
> chargers are not required to look at this information).
>
> Ralph
>
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Whew, Bob, you had me worried there for a minute when your first sentence
started:
"Speaking of wives, some of you know I recently swapped..." :)
Bill Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Bath
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Was Re: Got my EV Grin :-) Now: Wives & EVs
Speaking of wives, some of you know I recently swapped
out a tranny with bad bearings in CivicWithACord.
When the new one went in I apparently scratched off
insulating plastic on the main contactor diode. The
two are mounted quite close. So every so often, the
controller mounting plate would short to the diode,
and I'd blow the fuse that goes to the main contactor
coil.
I was PISSED! My wife drove the EV, and it
happened to her. Was she pissed? No. She stood by
me while this obsessed technician I was figuring out
why the heck an EV that I'd put 2K miles on was now
intermittent.
Problem now solved. Her next line: "So now can I
spin the EV and hear that quiet transmission?"
Dang, I got a good 'un!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Not a Damn thing. I have to keep grinnin' , it
> won't go away!
>
> Jeff Wilson
> USA(Ret)
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > Jeff
> > Ain't a damn thing wrong with your life, is there?
> Keep on Grinnin', Buddy.
> >
> > David C. Wilker Jr.
> > United States Air Force, Retired
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Wilson"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:13 PM
> > Subject: Got my EV Grin :-)
> >
> >
> > > Good EVening to EVeryone out there!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I just wanted to let the world know that I now
> have a huge EV grin! I got
> > > my E-10 running and charged last night at about
> midnight and so after work
> > > and other stuff I finally got to take the truck
> out for a joy ride at
> > > about
> > > 9:45 PM. My wife came with on the maiden voyage.
> We had a ball! We
> > > drove
> > > all over the neighborhood for about 20 minutes.
> Then my wife asked if she
> > > could drive home! I knew I married her for a
> good reason. I just can't
> > > imagine too many wives out there going out on
> the first test run much less
> > > asking to drive it as well. Anyway, I have to
> break in the new batteries
> > > so
> > > we could only go a short distance and call it a
> night. I burned off about
> > > 6
> > > AH in a little over 8 miles. With regen, it
> takes a while to use up the
> > > amps while in stop and go neighborhood driving.
> When we got home we were
> > > talking about the paint. The truck had been
> sitting in the AZ sun, baking
> > > the clear coat off for over 9 years. It is kind
> of an emerald green so it
> > > really took a beating. On top of that, a couple
> of birds had their way
> > > with
> > > the hood and roof so there are a few spots where
> the paint was eaten right
> > > down to the bare metal. My wonderful wife of 21
> years suggested we have
> > > it
> > > painted dark purple with flames!!! I almost fell
> over my jaw!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I just got it charged back up and put to bed.
> It's my turn for bed now.
> > > like I'm really going to get to sleep now!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks again to Victor Tikhonov, Jim Husted,
> David Roden, especially Tom
> > > Hudson, and everyone else who helped me overcome
> many of the startup
> > > problems this truck had.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > EV GRININ' now!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jeff Wilson
> > >
> > > USA(Ret)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thou shalt not send me any thing which says unto
> thee, "send this to all
> > > thou knowest." Neither shalt thou send me any
> spam, lest I smite thee.
> > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> = = = = = = = = = = =
> > > Est. yearly US cost to safeguard Persian Gulf
> oil supply: $50 billion Est.
> > > 2001 value of US crude oil imports from Persian
> Gulf: $19 billion
> > > -- Harper's Index, April 2002
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
'92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V
____
__/__|__\ __
=D-------/ - - \
'O'-----'O'-'
Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came out of the steering
wheel? Are you saving any gas for your kids?
__________________________________________________
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Good for you!! Keep them happy and they let us have toys once in a while. I
guess that I've probably gotten my toys for the next few years now. Can't dip
into that well too often for fear of drying it up.
-------------- Original message --------------
> Speaking of wives, some of you know I recently swapped
> out a tranny with bad bearings in CivicWithACord.
> When the new one went in I apparently scratched off
> insulating plastic on the main contactor diode. The
> two are mounted quite close. So every so often, the
> controller mounting plate would short to the diode,
> and I'd blow the fuse that goes to the main contactor
> coil.
> I was PISSED! My wife drove the EV, and it
> happened to her. Was she pissed? No. She stood by
> me while this obsessed technician I was figuring out
> why the heck an EV that I'd put 2K miles on was now
> intermittent.
> Problem now solved. Her next line: "So now can I
> spin the EV and hear that quiet transmission?"
> Dang, I got a good 'un!
>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Not a Damn thing. I have to keep grinnin' , it
> > won't go away!
> >
> > Jeff Wilson
> > USA(Ret)
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >
> > > Jeff
> > > Ain't a damn thing wrong with your life, is there?
> > Keep on Grinnin', Buddy.
> > >
> > > David C. Wilker Jr.
> > > United States Air Force, Retired
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeff Wilson"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:13 PM
> > > Subject: Got my EV Grin :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > > Good EVening to EVeryone out there!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I just wanted to let the world know that I now
> > have a huge EV grin! I got
> > > > my E-10 running and charged last night at about
> > midnight and so after work
> > > > and other stuff I finally got to take the truck
> > out for a joy ride at
> > > > about
> > > > 9:45 PM. My wife came with on the maiden voyage.
> > We had a ball! We
> > > > drove
> > > > all over the neighborhood for about 20 minutes.
> > Then my wife asked if she
> > > > could drive home! I knew I married her for a
> > good reason. I just can't
> > > > imagine too many wives out there going out on
> > the first test run much less
> > > > asking to drive it as well. Anyway, I have to
> > break in the new batteries
> > > > so
> > > > we could only go a short distance and call it a
> > night. I burned off about
> > > > 6
> > > > AH in a little over 8 miles. With regen, it
> > takes a while to use up the
> > > > amps while in stop and go neighborhood driving.
> > When we got home we were
> > > > talking about the paint. The truck had been
> > sitting in the AZ sun, baking
> > > > the clear coat off for over 9 years. It is kind
> > of an emerald green so it
> > > > really took a beating. On top of that, a couple
> > of birds had their way
> > > > with
> > > > the hood and roof so there are a few spots where
> > the paint was eaten right
> > > > down to the bare metal. My wonderful wife of 21
> > years suggested we have
> > > > it
> > > > painted dark purple with flames!!! I almost fell
> > over my jaw!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I just got it charged back up and put to bed.
> > It's my turn for bed now.
> > > > like I'm really going to get to sleep now!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again to Victor Tikhonov, Jim Husted,
> > David Roden, especially Tom
> > > > Hudson, and everyone else who helped me overcome
> > many of the startup
> > > > problems this truck had.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > EV GRININ' now!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Wilson
> > > >
> > > > USA(Ret)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thou shalt not send me any thing which says unto
> > thee, "send this to all
> > > > thou knowest." Neither shalt thou send me any
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> '92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V
> ____
> __/__|__\ __
> =D-------/ - - \
> 'O'-----'O'-'
> Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came out of the steering
> wheel?
> Are you saving any gas for your kids?
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Why not power the inverter from the Aux battery and let the dc-dc make
the transition form pack voltage to 12Volts. The emeter will now give
you a fuel gauge and the batteries will stay balanced. It is a little
wastefull converting so much, I wonder if the innards in the inverters
do a boost to a high voltage dc buss before switching it down and out as
AC, If so, tapping into the DC buss (and disconnecting the primary
drive) would be a significant improvement.
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You are Dreaming if you think Golie will break 100 this year. ; ^ )......
Mainfuse
Madman and Goldie will certainly be there!!
This is the kind of fun that keep us old Fast Evers alive, Run it! play with
the Gas guys... Carry the Fast EV flag.. Just fast simple Racing...
They love us down there, and are trying to help get us power... We have a
couple of 120 VAC outlets, but we are bringing 8Kw and 10Kw generators. I
will have PFC 50s on each big Genset.
Charging should be in the 15 to 30 min span. Quite good enough for a hand
full of EVers in a hurry.
I am not sure If I will have 240 and a Zilla in Goldie.. But I will at least
have the old Yts and the Raptor on line.
At night... it's cooler, and there is not much a problem with Sunburn like
at Woodburn...Getting my Bains Braked out, is a Woodburn hazzard..
So... I will be there, hoping John can get as '05 in Madman's 100 club.
Street legal, real time slip....do it once...Got proof that's fine
with me....
Rich Rudman
Madman.
Brian D. Hall
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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How about another switch on the potbox or connect it to the safety relay
stopping the car while charging. Stop charging and the resistor is
connected. LR.......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: EV-200 Resistor for 144v system
Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
Am I placing it wrong? What location should the resistor be placed to
prevent damage to the device being protected (contactor/switch etc.)
The precharge resistor goes across the last contact to close to connect
the controller to the battery pack.
In the simplest installations, there is only one main contactor; so the
resistor goes across its contacts. But this keeps the controller powered
all the time, even when parked or charging. Your controller is at risk
of earlier failures from high charging voltages, and the constant
current draw runs down the pack if you leave the car parked without
charging for weeks.
One worthwhile improvement is to put a small switch or relay contact in
series with the precharge resistor. This way, you can turn off this
resistor when parked and charging. Naturally, this switch or relay needs
to be rated to switch the high DC voltage present (but the current is
pretty low). Turn on this switch, wait a few seconds to precharge the
controller's capacitors, then turn on the main contactor.
A better arrangement is to have TWO switches of some sort in series with
the controller and battery pack. It could be two contactors, a contactor
and a circuit breaker, a contactor and a disconnect switch, etc. This
way, you can still completely turn off the controller when parked or
charging. You also have a backup system that can turn off the EV even if
the contactor welds.
--
Every act of conscious learning requires the willingness to suffer an
injury to one's self-esteem. That is why young children, before they
are aware of their own self-importance, learn so easily. - Thomas Szasz
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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El Chopper is pretty much a moped. If you build the El Chopper ET and use
an A89 at lets say 72v you really have quite a beast. The ET uses a
motorcycle frame and I was considering a Honda Shadow as the donor. Real
chopperish and feet forward. The Honda Rebel is probably an easier glider
to get though. Lawrence Rhodes......
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From: "Mark Hastings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: El Chopper
I got the plans and they look well done and complete. The construction
looks pretty simple and cheap if you have to farm out the welding. Much
cheaper then a full size EV too. I really wish I had been in a motorcycle
mood before getting my truck as it would be a lot cheaper in every way and
probably outpeform my truck and give me enough range.
Based on the simple construction I think it should be pretty reliable but
performance is a ligering question in my mind. As the case with all ev's
terrain is a big issue but with the El Chopper and it's single speed with
an ETek I think it is a bigger issue and since it is pretty lightweight
drivers weight probably has a measurable affect unlike in my 4k lb pickup.
My other lingering though on it is that it looks like they place the etek
in the unspring weight but it is really close to the pivot point. I hear
over and over how important a low unsprung weight is but I'm unsure if 25
lbs or so (motor plus mounting) would affect a motorcycle.
Ken Albright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Has anyone built, ridden, owned an El Chopper? I'm
interested in completeness of plans, ease/difficulty
of construction, performance, reliability, and
driveability.
Thanks
Ken Albright
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Probably the 1/8 mile. LR..........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Trough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Silver Bullet Electric Z Car Makes 7 Runs at the Drag Track!
The Silver Bullet's best time was a 9.8 second run.
Doesn't that mean that the Silver Bullet broke through the 100mph
barrier for street legal cars?? I realize that this was not a sanctioned
NEDRA event and that the times are probably not official, but how about
some timeslip details?? Drool.
-Ken Trough
Admin - V is for Voltage Magazine
http://visforvoltage.com
AIM - ktrough
FAX/voice message - 206-339-VOLT (8658)
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My understanding is that the fridge is 6A, so 720
watts, with a major surge as the compressor & motor
turn on. The DCDC is 300 watts.
While I'll grant that the fridge is not on all the
time, I'd be concerned about the wear and tear on both
the inverter, pulling so much from a 12V, and also the
DCDC, as it works to keep the battery topped off.
But then, I'm not an EE.
--- Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why not power the inverter from the Aux battery and
> let the dc-dc make
> the transition form pack voltage to 12Volts. The
> emeter will now give
> you a fuel gauge and the batteries will stay
> balanced. It is a little
> wastefull converting so much, I wonder if the
> innards in the inverters
> do a boost to a high voltage dc buss before
> switching it down and out as
> AC, If so, tapping into the DC buss (and
> disconnecting the primary
> drive) would be a significant improvement.
>
>
'92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V
____
__/__|__\ __
=D-------/ - - \
'O'-----'O'-'
Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came out of the steering wheel?
Are you saving any gas for your kids?
____________________________________________________
Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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My motorhome is similar. I worry about putting 100 amps down the neutral
and causing a fire in the facility due to an inadequate wire size in the
neutral feed wire.
That won't happen. Let's say you have two 120 volt loads, a 20 amp load
between the neutral and leg A of a 240 volt circuit and a 40 amp load
between the neutral and leg B. 20 amps flows through leg A and 40 amps
thru leg B. But since the phase of the two legs' voltage is opposite, so
are the currents, and they cancel each other out in the neutral. So the
neutral current is the *difference* between the current in the 2 legs, not
the sum.
Steve Gaarder
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For EV opportunity charging, you still don't know what other loads are
on the breaker, and that could change after you set something manually.
If a circuit becomes overloaded, does the voltage drop measurably
prior to the breaker opening? What would it take to sense that?
-GT
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David Roden wrote:
>On 8 Aug 2005 at 20:14, Brad Jensen wrote:
>
>
>
>>Ok, I can't get the archives to come up. I get object not found at
>>http://www.crest.org/ev-list-archive
>>
>>
>
>There are at least four archives:
>
>http://crest.org/discussion/ev/ (message archive 1997 - early 2003)
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ (current digest archive)
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ev/ (ad-supported digest archive)
>
>http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/ev-list-archive/ (ad-supported message
>archive)
>
>And at least one more closed archive whose URL I've forgotten.
>
>
>David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
>EV List Assistant Administrator
>
>
>
http://wwia.org/sgroup/ev/
... is my archive. It got changed over to digest mode a long time ago
and I never changed it back.
--
Martin Klingensmith
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How many times do I have to say I know that!!!
Goldie at 156 and 8 year old Yts and a1200 Raptor... high 16s at the best
with barley 80 mph.
NObody has a Madman 100 this year. So.... I am not going to be the first.
Especially if I don't try.
Biddness is getting in the way of racing.
I am still going to be on the track . But nothing new...
Madman.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian D.Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ev post" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:06 AM
Subject: RE: Wayland Invitational Street Drags
> You are Dreaming if you think Golie will break 100 this year. ; ^ )......
> Mainfuse
>
>
>
> Madman and Goldie will certainly be there!!
>
> This is the kind of fun that keep us old Fast Evers alive, Run it! play
with
> the Gas guys... Carry the Fast EV flag.. Just fast simple Racing...
>
> They love us down there, and are trying to help get us power... We have a
> couple of 120 VAC outlets, but we are bringing 8Kw and 10Kw generators. I
> will have PFC 50s on each big Genset.
> Charging should be in the 15 to 30 min span. Quite good enough for a hand
> full of EVers in a hurry.
>
> I am not sure If I will have 240 and a Zilla in Goldie.. But I will at
least
> have the old Yts and the Raptor on line.
>
> At night... it's cooler, and there is not much a problem with Sunburn like
> at Woodburn...Getting my Bains Braked out, is a Woodburn hazzard..
>
> So... I will be there, hoping John can get as '05 in Madman's 100 club.
> Street legal, real time slip....do it once...Got proof that's fine
> with me....
>
> Rich Rudman
> Madman.
>
>
> Brian D. Hall
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Hey Jeff,
I just went through the same exercise with my similar project (240sx with
almost the same setup). In the end, I decided to go with the Albrights. I
only have 144v of Orbitals at this time, so I'm just using a single SW200
for the main contactor. When I boost up the voltage with up to 25 Orbitals
(the battery boxes are already installed), then I'll add another SW200 in
series. I suppose a third may be recommended at that voltage.
I also have the Anderson connector with the handle. I'll set it up with a
pull-cable so that in an emergency, I could disconnect it from inside the
car. Finally, I'd like to parallel a few of the Heinemann circuit breakers I
have, also on a pull cable. This would really be the first line of defense
in an emergency disconnect situation.
Matt Graham
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Shanab [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 3:04 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Conversion Details
I am converting a 300zx, hopeing to get 25 orbitals in it. I need help with
some of the details.
I have a PFC20+, the warp 9 is installed, and the controller arrives today.
What should I use for main contactors, the current rateing on the ev200
sounds too lightweight, is a ev250 big enough?
I have fuses.
I need a heater core, but with a 300V system, do I need a controller or I
could use [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 156V in series? too much heat? ( i live in
Fresno
California, there are days where heat is nice, but mainly we need heat for
defroster).
I need motor and belts or individual motors to drive AC, Vacuum, and Power
steering.(which is better serpentine belt vs individual motors?) Anderson
connectors and opertunity adapter angle iron,cables,emeter,shunt dc-dc
converter and aux battery.
what have I forgot.?
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Madman wrote:
Biddness is getting in the way of racing.
I am still going to be on the track . But nothing new...
How about the Fiero?
You still got that?
May not be new, but is different :^D
We missed ya at the SEVA meeting, seeya in Portland!
.
Roy LeMeur
Olympia WA
My Electric Vehicle Pages:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
Informative Electric Vehicle Links:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html
EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries:
http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm
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My car has a switch that gets pressed when the key is inserted. I was
planning on using that to activate the resistor.
Bill Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: EV-200 Resistor for 144v system
How about another switch on the potbox or connect it to the safety relay
stopping the car while charging. Stop charging and the resistor is
connected. LR.......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: EV-200 Resistor for 144v system
> Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>> Am I placing it wrong? What location should the resistor be placed to
>> prevent damage to the device being protected (contactor/switch etc.)
>
> The precharge resistor goes across the last contact to close to connect
> the controller to the battery pack.
>
> In the simplest installations, there is only one main contactor; so the
> resistor goes across its contacts. But this keeps the controller powered
> all the time, even when parked or charging. Your controller is at risk
> of earlier failures from high charging voltages, and the constant
> current draw runs down the pack if you leave the car parked without
> charging for weeks.
>
> One worthwhile improvement is to put a small switch or relay contact in
> series with the precharge resistor. This way, you can turn off this
> resistor when parked and charging. Naturally, this switch or relay needs
> to be rated to switch the high DC voltage present (but the current is
> pretty low). Turn on this switch, wait a few seconds to precharge the
> controller's capacitors, then turn on the main contactor.
>
> A better arrangement is to have TWO switches of some sort in series with
> the controller and battery pack. It could be two contactors, a contactor
> and a circuit breaker, a contactor and a disconnect switch, etc. This
> way, you can still completely turn off the controller when parked or
> charging. You also have a backup system that can turn off the EV even if
> the contactor welds.
> --
> Every act of conscious learning requires the willingness to suffer an
> injury to one's self-esteem. That is why young children, before they
> are aware of their own self-importance, learn so easily. - Thomas Szasz
> --
> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
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Jeff Shanab wrote:
> I am converting a 300zx, hoping to get 25 orbitals in it. I need
> help with some of the details.
>
> What should I use for main contactors, the current rating on the
> ev200 sounds too lightweight, is a ev250 big enough?
You didn't say what controller you plan to use, but if it is capable of
more than a few hundred amps, the EV200 isn't big enough.
> I need a heater core, but with a 300V system, do I need a controller
> or I could use [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 156V in series? too much heat?
Heaters are basically resistors. 300v is close enough to 240v so you can
use any 240v heater. Or two 120v heaters in series.
All the ceramic heating elements can be wired for either 120v or 240v.
So, a single ceramic element could be used.
If you use a nichrome heater, the higher the voltage the more airflow
you will need to keep its temperature from getting too hot. For example,
I used a cheap nichrome heater built for 120vac in my 132v EV. The
voltage increase raised it heat output from 1200w actual (claimed 1500w)
to 1400w actual at 132v. The car's heater blower replaced the weak
internal fan, so the actual air temperature coming out of it went down.
It was adequate for Seattle WA winters, but not Minnesota winters.
A ceramic heater changes its resistance with temperature to deliver
about the same temperature air regardless of airflow. A 1500w rated
ceramic heater actually produced 800w at 120vac due to the cheap wimpy
fan. At 132v it only increased to 900w with the stock fan. But it went
up to 1200w with the car's heater blower. So it was still weaker than
the nichrome element. But probably adequate for CA.
> I need motor and belts or individual motors to drive AC, Vacuum,
> and Power steering. Which is better serpentine belt vs individual
> motors?
It is basically a matter of which is easier to set up mechanically. The
motor needs a rear shaft for a pulley if you are going to drive your
accessories with it. Efficiency wise, it's about the same whether you
idle the traction motor or use separate accessory motors. Running
accessories off the traction motor will give you a small amount of
engine braking and "regen" (can force them to run at max load when you
want regenerative braking).
> Anderson connectors and opertunity adapter
> angle iron,cables,emeter,shunt
> dc-dc converter and aux battery.
If you choose to belt-drive the other accessories, you can use an
alternator instead of a DC/DC.
--
If you would not be forgotten
When your body's dead and rotten
Then write of great deeds worth the reading
Or do the great deeds worth repeating
-- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac
--
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