EV Digest 4686
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: NEDRA race location change?
by "David (Battery Boy) Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: EV and vehicle speeds, was: No Interest in Electric Drag Racing?
by "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Used EV's
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Kilovac score on Ebay (and sniping)
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: No Interest in Electric Drag Racing?
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Used EV's
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Fuses
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) RE: Used EV's
by "Noel P. Luneau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Battery Repair (was "Re: AGM battery mgmt system")
by "Tim Stephenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: IOTA
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: No Interest in Electric Drag Racing?
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: Kilovac score on Ebay (and sniping)
by "Rick Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) What charger to use?
by "Michaela Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: A few questions...
by Lock Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) CBC Radio One, Re: EV pulbicity
by "Doug Hartley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Kilovac score on Ebay (and sniping)
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Fuses
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: NEDRA race location change?
by Ken Trough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) 2 strings and an EMeter
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: NEDRA race location change?
by "Joe Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: NEDRA race location change?
by "Joe Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) An Enemy of my Enemy
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Ken,
Speaking of Wired magazine, last time I was at a big box store I thumbed
through the September issue, but didn't see anything about it. Was it in
the Sept. print magazine?
Thanks,
BB
>Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:28:17 -0700
>From: Ken Trough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
<snippage>
>In my opinion, Woodburn just isn't cutting it. Even with Wired coverage
>of the event before hand, we had the lowest turnout ever during a year
>with unprecidented interest in electrics. I believe it is time for a
>change.
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Why will your Festiva conversion go only 40-50 mph and have slow
acceleration? Do you have a smaller than usual motor or a low-voltage
battery pack or what?
Going slower than the rest of the traffic or crawling away from a stop
can get you rear ended or tempt others to pass you where it isn't safe
to do so. By all means drive slowly when you want to and where it's
safe to do so. But don't be a hazard to your self and others. Put in a
bigger
motor or more batteries or whatever it takes to keep up with the traffic.
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From: "Stefano Landi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: EV and vehicle speeds, was: No Interest in Electric Drag
Racing?
I've been watching this thread with interest and I'd like to point out my
own situation. My Ford Festiva conversion that I'm currently working on
will
have a top speed of about 40-50 MPH and rather slow acceleration. So to
prepare myself so to speak I've started driving my ICE (Toyota ECHO) the
same way as I will experience in my EV. Truth be told I do get passed by
many a drivers, some of them even shaking their fists or with one finger
extended. Now remember at this point I'm doing maybe 35-40 MPH in a 30 MPH
zone, so technically I'm already over the speed limit. But what erks me is
that about 2 miles down the road I just saddle right up next to them at
the
red light. They don't seem to notice that their accelerations and their
excessive speed isn't getting them anywhere any faster. True on the
highway
a difference of 10-15 MPH will garner you some time, but is it worth the
extra wasted gasoline and the risk? Perhaps I'm old fashioned or TOO green
if there is such a thing, but I find that over the last few weeks of
driving
at my new EV speed and mode I'm more relaxed when I get to work/home and
my
car uses much less gas and at almost $6.00 CDN / gallon let me tell you
that
is sweet to my pocket book. I'd love to see rules enforced to slow down
vehicles. As it is the average speed on a commute here in Montreal isn't
much more than say 30 MPH, so those 260+HP SUV/LUX cars/Sports cars aren't
really all that impressive. However, when I see a little SMART car go buy
or
a hybrid then I beam a great big smile at the driver with an obligatory
thumbs up. I'm not against racing or high technology in automobiles on the
contrary, but it's the constant need for more power that I just don't
understand. I'm guilty of one thing, a powerful stereo as I love to listen
to my music since I do have a little more time in my car on my commutes.
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From: "Mark McCurdy" <
ditto, I'd like lists of sites showing EVs for sale
I have a few used ev's for sale http://www.grassrootsev.com/convert.htm
right now I have people driving all but one :-) but there still all for sale
, and I have made some people some sweet deals , which part of the deal is
when somebody wants to buy one they will let them have it. I then will build
them another even better . I wouldn't say that any are completely done ,
each one is a story in its self. My way of doing business my seem little
funny , but each ev that is out there is such a strong EV light , the
stories I hear for the people that are driving them keep me going . You may
say that they are a bit hi priced compared to one somebody is trying to get
rid of ,but I'm not trying to get rid of them , I want to build more , which
means buying more parts and my labor. If somebody wanted all new parts , I
would switch them out , there would be some labor cost . My last deal was
the school teacher . She is paying me $100 / per month and every time I talk
to her she just goes on and on about all the people she has shown it to and
how interested everybody is . I guess I just enjoy seeing the EV grin on
somebody's else's face , there have been a few that just didn't work out ,
some couldn't get the hang of plugging it it , I know its hard to believe ,
can't plug it in 1/2 hour before you go , or the fact that 12v is dead if
the cars been sitting but full if you have a load on it . I've had to tell
some , " I don't think an ev is right for you " and take my car back , with
its batteries beaten up by somebody who I really though could take care of
them. But I've also seen people who I was worried about , master the art of
ev driving , and battery care .
At times I feel like a very lucky guy , Steve Clunn
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I've been to real auctions. Ebay is much better for the buyer. A live
auction is better for the seller. Lawrence Rhodes.......
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I can stop by Summit Auto racing on my way to work and
pick up high performance parts to make my Camero run
the 1/4 in 12 seconds, so can any Joe blow with a
little extra cash. These parts have been engineered
and improved for decades. This is not very impressive
or exciting. John and Jim Husted have engineered
their own electric drive system to crank out 12.65 1/4
mile times. That is impressive and very unique, and
the fans at the drag track recognize this vehicle. I
don't think it's just the noise or times that inspire
people to get excited at the drag races. I think it's
innovation and uniqueness that really piques their
interest.
I've been driving a Sparrow for a couple of weeks and
get lots of turned heads and thumbs up from various
drivers, including many Harley riders. They don't
know it's electric I'm assumming, but it's really
different and unique. I think this is the same
attraction to electric dragsters. Whoever created
this vehicle went to alot more trouble in creating a
unique high speed machine that can beat most
production vehicles in the 1/4 mile (and in Johns case
almost all production vehicles). You may call 12.65
in the 1/4 boring, but the engineering and time to
create such a unique vehicle is much more impressive
than a 9 second alcohol dragster that can be created
with off the shelf parts.
Rod
--- Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:10:06 -0700, "Rich Rudman"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Boy we are getting our share of foolish statments
> today Aren't We????
> >The Fastest Ev dragster can do 150 plus with stout
> AGMs
> >We have a bike that ran 150. So... even 300 MPH
> ... for Top Fuel and Funny
> >Car. We are 1/2 way there.
>
> Yes, silly. Given that power required increases
> with the cube of
> velocity, at 150 mph, you're barely out of the gates
> toward 300.
> Anyone who's joined the 200 mph street car club (75
> Datsun 280Z in my
> case) know that the span from 150 to 200 requires
> about the same
> increment of power as getting to 150.
>
> >
> >Keep in mind we have our share of 100 mph Street
> cars... Not 100 Dragsters,
> >But street cars.
> >
> >And the 300 mph crowd has 100s of thousands of
> dollars a year in
> >sponsorship. Even our fastest EV Bike and
> dragsters.. have maybe $50,000
> >invested in them Even our fastest doesn't rate more
> than a
> >a Hobbiest in the cashflow that the Big boys burn
> through even on a normal
> >weekend.
> >
> >If You gave 100,000 Bucks to any of us racers...
> and we will be over 150 and
> >headed to 200 in months if not weeks.
> >
> >Can you imagine John Force doing a EV just few
> million to play with??? 5
> >seconds and 300 IS possible with the right funding
> and team.
> >
>
> I've seen this claim or one similar from several
> people. Now I'm
> curious. Please describe the path you'd take to get
> to 300 mph if you
> did have a megabuck. No details necessary. Just
> assume a black box
> full of FM (fsking magic) as the interface between
> the energy storage
> and the motor. Just getting enough energy onboard
> and delivering it
> rapidly enough to run that fast will be hard enough.
> I've been
> noodling some numbers around and I just don't see
> it, even with a
> combo of exotic batteries and some sort of
> ultra-high rate energy
> buffer - superconducting flywheel or ???
>
> Even 200 in the quarter seems virtually impossible
> to me. I'd
> certainly be pleased to be enlightened.
>
> John
> ---
> John De Armond
> See my website for my current email address
> http://www.johngsbbq.com
> Cleveland, Occupied TN
>
>
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I'd still go DC, but with LiPos & regs. (Recent posts
have my drool on them). The RAV is 500 lbs. or so
heavier than the Civvy.
I'd pester Peter for a DCP as I've been happy with the
new version of the Raptor, at least for now.
--- "Noel P. Luneau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The RAV4 sounds like a fun conversion... Anyone done
> any private conversions? Are you going AC or DC
> Bob?
>
> For info, anyone know what motor and controller
> Toyota used in their RAV4-EV conversions?
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bob Bath"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: 9/9/05 3:57:43 PM
> To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Used EV's
>
> Seems like the length of the list at Trading Post is
> getting shorter. I wonder if anyone is tracking the
> sale of decent rigs lately.
>
> I'm considering selling the Civic and doing a RAV-4,
> b/c of the low seating position & wife's back. (Or
> is
> it just that I'm not happy unless I'm building
> something, and there's nothing left to work on on
> the
> Civic?!!!
> peace,
>
> --- Roy LeMeur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > >ditto, I'd like lists of sites showing EVs for
> sale
> >
> > http://www.austinev.org/evtradinpost/
> >
> > http://www.eaasv.org/
> >
> > http://www.eaaev.org/
> >
> > http://www.evadc.org/for_sale..html
> >
> > http://www.phoenixeaa.com/
> >
> > http://www.nbeaa.org/sale.htm
> >
> > http://home.att.net/~NCSDCA/EVAoSD/forsale.htm
> >
> > http://neeaa.org/forsale.htm
> >
> > http://www.lveva.org/For_Sale/for_sale.html
> >
> > http://www.oeva.org/forsale/
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Roy LeMeur
> > Olympia WA
> >
> > My Electric Vehicle Pages:
> >
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
> >
> > Informative Electric Vehicle Links:
> >
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html
> >
> > EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries:
> > http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm
> >
> >
>
>
> '92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V (video or DVD
> available)!
> www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html
> ____
> __/__|__\ __
> =D-------/ - - \
> 'O'-----'O'-'
> Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came
> out of the steering wheel? Are you saving any gas
> for your kids?
>
>
>
>
>
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> effort.
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>
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Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came out of the steering wheel?
Are you saving any gas for your kids?
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The 400 amp fuse, a Bussmann No FWX-400A Semi Conductor fuse at 250 Volt AC-DC
Bolt on type Pre-Arc and Let throw type of fuse is design to protect
semi-conductor devices.
It is rated at 10 seconds at 1000 amps on overload only. (not short circuit).
So if you are pulling 1000 amps, you should shut it down in about 8 seconds.
Your battery connections might not hold, as where they will shrink back which
will lose torque and may melt and than arc.
The short circuit symmethical RMS rating is 10,000 amps and has a Pre-Arc and
Let-Through of about 8,000 amps. If you have a dead short and when you reach
10,000 amps which will be in milliseconds, the fuse will open.
Before these Semi-Conductor fuses came out, I had a Bussman Limitron Bolt in
400 amp fuse which had a 200,000 amp short circuit symmethical RMS rating.
I was able to pull 600 amps at 60 mph going up a steep 2 mile hill for 10 years
with no problem using a 800 amp controller. This fuse lasted 30 years before I
replaced it with the Semi-Conductor type.
Normally I am only pulling 100 to 200 amps on level drive at speeds up to 60
mph.
I program the Zilla for 320 amp maximum for now. The fuse rating of any
circuit should be at least 1.25 percent over the maximum current you may used.
Roland
----- Original Message -----
From: Cwarman<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 1:22 PM
Subject: Fuses
Hey guys,
Im converting a 97 S10 to a 156k EV
Warp9
Zilla 1k controller
Im buying the rest of the parts i need right now and notice that a 400A
fuse is what comes with alot of these kits that come with the curtis
controller. Since im using the Zilla1k would i need to buy a 1000am fuse
? They are alot more expensive for sure... $175 vs $49...
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/index.php?page_number=2&id=373<http://www.evparts.com/shopping/index.php?page_number=2&id=373>
here is
the page on evparts.com..
Thanks
Cwarman
>
>
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Cool Bob.
What do you think the Glider will cost?
Which LiPos and how much do you think they will be?
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Bath
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 6:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Used EV's
I'd still go DC, but with LiPos & regs. (Recent posts have my drool on
them). The RAV is 500 lbs. or so heavier than the Civvy.
I'd pester Peter for a DCP as I've been happy with the new version of
the Raptor, at least for now.
--- "Noel P. Luneau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The RAV4 sounds like a fun conversion... Anyone done any private
> conversions? Are you going AC or DC Bob?
>
> For info, anyone know what motor and controller Toyota used in their
> RAV4-EV conversions?
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bob Bath"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: 9/9/05 3:57:43 PM
> To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Used EV's
>
> Seems like the length of the list at Trading Post is getting shorter.
> I wonder if anyone is tracking the sale of decent rigs lately.
>
> I'm considering selling the Civic and doing a RAV-4, b/c of the low
> seating position & wife's back. (Or is it just that I'm not happy
> unless I'm building something, and there's nothing left to work on on
> the Civic?!!!
> peace,
>
> --- Roy LeMeur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > >ditto, I'd like lists of sites showing EVs for
> sale
> >
> > http://www.austinev.org/evtradinpost/
> >
> > http://www.eaasv.org/
> >
> > http://www.eaaev.org/
> >
> > http://www.evadc.org/for_sale..html
> >
> > http://www.phoenixeaa.com/
> >
> > http://www.nbeaa.org/sale.htm
> >
> > http://home.att.net/~NCSDCA/EVAoSD/forsale.htm
> >
> > http://neeaa.org/forsale.htm
> >
> > http://www.lveva.org/For_Sale/for_sale.html
> >
> > http://www.oeva.org/forsale/
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Roy LeMeur
> > Olympia WA
> >
> > My Electric Vehicle Pages:
> >
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
> >
> > Informative Electric Vehicle Links:
> >
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html
> >
> > EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries:
> > http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm
> >
> >
>
>
> '92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V (video or DVD available)!
> www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html
> ____
> __/__|__\ __
> =D-------/ - - \
> 'O'-----'O'-'
> Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came out of the
> steering wheel? Are you saving any gas for your kids?
>
>
>
>
>
______________________________________________________
> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief
> effort.
> http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/
>
>
'92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V (video or DVD available)!
www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html
____
__/__|__\ __
=D-------/ - - \
'O'-----'O'-'
Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came out of the steering
wheel? Are you saving any gas for your kids?
______________________________________________________
Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/
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Interesting that this would be posted today. This morning I met with an 72
year old used car dealer, to chat about frames and front ends for an EV
project. He told me of melting off the tops of tar-top batteries, cutting
the connectors between cells, and replacing the bad cell with the guts from
a donor battery. Times have changed a bit...
-Tim S
EVer Wannabe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: AGM battery mgmt system
> Nope they just recycle them.
>
> Clearly Sealed AGMs can't be cleaned out.... just recycled.
>
> The point of AGMs is sealed, and clean and very high power to weight
> compared to Floodeds.
> So we get good snort, and nver have to water them, But we have to have
good
> chargers and Regs... a expensive draw back.
>
> Rich Rudman
> Manzanita Micro
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Luck Home" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 9:37 AM
> Subject: Re: AGM battery mgmt system
>
>
> > Excuse a newbie battery question but what actually happens to a Pb
battery
> > when it is of no further use. Is it silted up ??. I remember reading
about
> U
> > boat batteries that they used to open up and clear the crap out of to
stop
> > the plates shorting out - can modern flooded hi discharge batts be
washed
> > out and refilled with acid ?
> >
> > N.B I realise with gel or other sealed types it would be tricky :-))
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 5:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: AGM battery mgmt system
> >
> >
> > > I have a problem with this statment.
> > >
> > > Since I AM the guy who invented Rudman Regs and have them on all
my
> > > personal EVs.
> > >
> > > This just is not true.
> > >
> > > Rudman Regs and a good charger will get you the rated life cycles of
> your
> > > AGMs. Been there done it got 5x the rated life out of my old Yellow
> tops.
> > >
> > > Rudman Regs and a PFC charger better get you darn good range and
life...
> > or
> > > you simply never tuned the system correctly.
> > >
> > > What else may I ask is needed to keep AGMs alive??? Beside a voltage
> > > regualted charger and Peak voltage limiting battery regulators????
> > >
> > > What don't I know?
> > > Educate me....
> > >
> > > Rich Rudman
> > > Manzanita Micro
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 5:04 AM
> > > Subject: Re: AGM battery mgmt system
> > >
> > >
> > > > James Massey wrote:
> > > > "Apart from that, the choices pretty much come down to
> > > > DIY solutions. I am using some cheap programmable logic
> > > > controllers to integrate the signals from the Rudman
> > > > regs, and control a dumb-as-a-brick transformer charger in
> > > > a manner that the AGMs and regulators should be happy with."
> > > >
> > > > James, are you saying that battery management systems, like
> > > > the Rudman regulators are insufficient alone to work with
> > > > AGMs?
> > > >
> > > > I wonder what others' experiences have been with BMS? Has
> > > > anyone tried PowerCheq?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Cwarman wrote:
> So this isnt a good idea to use a dc to dc converter...
It's not so much a question of whether an Iota is a "good idea" to use
as a DC/DC. It's a matter of the tradeoffs between cost, performance,
and utility.
The simplest DC/DC is *no* DC/DC. You just have a big 12v battery that
is constantly running down as you drive, and that you charge right along
with the rest of the batteries when you are parked. Simple, cheap,
reliable -- but low performance (heavy, voltage is low so headlights are
dimmer, etc.)
The next step up is an alternator to charge the 12v battery. It get spun
by a belt from the traction motor. Works just like every other car's 12v
system. Still pretty simple, fairly cheap, fairly reliable -- and
performance is adequate.
If neither of these is good enough for your, the next step up is some
generic mass-produced AC-in switching power supply that happens to work
tolerably with a DC input for battery charging.
Better yet is a real purpose-built DC/DC like you'd find in all the auto
company produced EVs. They are good enough to all but eliminate the 12v
battery.
The ultimate is probably to design out the 12v system entirely. Run
everything from the HV pack.
--
"One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the
shore for a very long time." -- Andre Gide
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Christopher Robison wrote:
> As a couterpoint which I hope we haven't scared Jim away from making,
> I think it's possible we may have misinterpreted his message somewhat.
> A lot of posts recently, including some from me, have been the sort
> of "wow I had a great time" posts that are familiar to list members
> around the time of Woodburn, Power of DC, Wicked Watts, etc. These
> posts contain in large part human-interest tales of adventure and
> "great to see everyone" and "look at these movies I made"... and
> very little technical content...
I agree. I saw a cartoon once. The race car is in the winner's circle,
and the hero is surrounded by beautiful girls, cheering fans, etc.
Meanwhile, one guy has his nose poked under the hood of his car and is
taking notes.
Well, I'd be that guy with the notebook. How'd he do that? What can I
learn from it?
So, all the racing posts are interesting, but I mainly read them for the
technical details. If there aren't any, I quickly lose interest.
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"One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the
shore for a very long time." -- Andre Gide
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LR:
I disagree. I am an eBay seller. You have a much larger audience on eBay
than a live auction. I have never been disappointed selling anything. I sold
a spool of magnet wire for $300.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6548970565
I think eBay has more buyers than sellers on most items. As a buyer you need
to be patient and do not get emotional. Set your price limit and stick to
it. If you persist, you may eventually get what you are looking for at the
price you want.
Rick Barnes
Aloha, OR
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 6:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Kilovac score on Ebay (and sniping)
I've been to real auctions. Ebay is much better for the buyer. A live
auction is better for the seller. Lawrence Rhodes.......
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Hello Everybody:
Question about a charger: I have two EVs, one with a 120 V system, the
other with 132 V. I am looking for a charger that would be able to provide
both voltages, run off 110 and 220 Volts and provide fully automatic
charging ('fire and forget').
What system would the list suggest and where to get it?
Michaela
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--- Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've seen a 2hp(?) hub motor recently, but I can't remember where.
> Some chinese scooter comes with them.
Maybe here:
<http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/ev-list-archive/message/47359>
(TinyURL here:)
<http://tinyurl.com/dawtz>
"Another interesting EV thing- Keith Vansickle brought a 72V Crystalyte
BLDC hubmotor mounted in a 26" bicycle wheel with the controller and
twist-grip.
Plasma Boy wasted no time in commandeering his daugter's almost new
mountain bike for experimantation purposes :^D
With Matt Husted in the saddle, and 72V worth of 13Ah Hawkers in a
way-overloaded backpack, that sucker flew to well over 50 mph on the
street in front of John's place. Someone has video. We all yelled
"Brakes!" alot.
It was the fastest ebicycle I have ever seen. Jim Husted (Matt's dad)
was relieved to see Matt survive unscathed. :^D"
Crystalyte stuff here:
http://www.evsolutions.net/
lOCk
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/TorontoEVA/
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Hi Jerry and all,
Last night I emailed the program's producer with background information on
myself (stuff I have built or modified like the '57 aluminum body camper
truck, electric mororcycle conversion, etc.) and activities and interests
(like participating in the EVDL, Solar Fest in Vermont, Tour de Sol,
Vehicule Vert group, etc.)
The producer called me back today and said that after reviewing the email,
they would like to focus on 2 areas:
1) how I like driving an electric car, how it feels, my experiences etc. (I
think this was the original planned subject material)
and out of all the info I provided.......
2) The EV Production Group and how we (Jerry) are designing, tooling and
then building an EV for sale because the automakers will not!
I see from the Yahoo page that we have 49 members.
In case they ask, Jerry, how many people have contributed more than dues,
as loans for the Freedom EV project?
Are there any other facts and updates you think should be mentioned so
listeners better understand the progress, goals, timetable etc., and get a
feel for the tiny, efficient, scale of this development, compared to
big-auto? For example, an updated budget/estimate for the project cost, ETA
of first EVs in customer's hands, any info on the number of units pre-sold
and others ready to buy, the factory orders, list of countries of people
participating in the group, etc. If you think it best, some answers and
comments emailed directly to me might be appropriate for some of this info.
This show will be recorded Saturday morning and the interview will air
sometime between 7:00 to 9:00 A.M. Sunday. I may get a call with a more
precise time slot on Saturday night, after they have put the program
together.
Thanks!
Best Regards,
Doug
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From: "jerry dycus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: EV pulbicity Re: Montreal Gazette article today, Sept. 6
Hi Doug and All,
Doug Hartley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Jerry, Noel, and all,
Thanks for your encouragement!
I was called today to come into the CBC studio Saturday morning to be
interviewed for CBC Radio One, All in the Weekend program. It should be
another opportunity to spread the word some more.
Cool, take some more website URLs like Plasmaboy's, ect so they
can put them up on their website and talk about John's and Berbe's?
Current Eliminator dragster to help dispell the notions EV must be slow..
That with your dispelling they are short range takes away their excuses
against EV's.
Talk about small engined battery dominated hybrids would be good
too.
Is it broadcast on the web?
Thanks,
Jerry Dycus
Best Regards,
Doug
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From: "jerry dycus"
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 3:40 PM
Subject: EV pulbicity Re: Montreal Gazette article today, Sept. 6
Hi Doug and All,
Way to go Doug !!
There is starting to be a lot of EV related articles
especially on the plug in Prius project that has did full page spreads
and
smaller articles and many mentions other the last month, Probably 30
times
I noticed on TV or the paper.
The Local TV talk show Kathy Fountain want me to be a
show as soon as I have a Freedom EV running.
So all you out there call in your local talk shows,
write your local papers and tell them about the joys of EV's. .Mention
the jobs, national, economic security aspects of it too as that gets the
attention of many who wouldn't consider them before.
Now is the time to counter act the misinformation the
auto companies have been spreading.
Thanks,
Jerry Dycus
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I'm not sure that is true...
I had a whole scuba set up that was starting to get old and I put it up on
ebay, piece by piece and I got over $1k for it all. If I had sold it locally, I
couldn't have gotten more than $300.
So it just depends...
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kilovac score on Ebay (and sniping)
> I've been to real auctions. Ebay is much better for the buyer. A live
> auction is better for the seller. Lawrence Rhodes.......
>
>
>
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From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Fuses
>
> Your battery connections might not hold, as where they will shrink back which
> will lose torque and may melt and than arc.
>
Roland, you mentioned this once before. What do you mean, that at high amps the
connection will shorten? Does this mean that the bat connect cable should not
be straight, but a little curved so to let the shrinkage happen?
Let me also say that I really appreciate all the info you put into your
replies, thanks.
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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Speaking of Wired magazine, last time I was at a big box store I
thumbed through the September issue, but didn't see anything about it.
Was it in the Sept. print magazine?
Yep. The Woodburn NEDRA EVent was featured on the first page of the
"Play" section in the events calendar. Page 55, upper right corner (with
photo credits listed near the spine). Not a huge article like last time,
but a good photo of Roderick at the line in Lightning Rod II, a
description of the EVent, and the NEDRA url.
-Ken Trough
Admin - V is for Voltage Magazine
http://visforvoltage.com
AIM - ktrough
FAX/voice message - 206-339-VOLT (8658)
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I am considering running two 180 volt strings in parallel to lower the voltage
of the traction components. But I would like to charge them with a PFC as one
string at twice the voltage. It requires a few extra contactors but shouldn't
be too bad. The charging will be low current, high voltage. Driving will be
higher current but lower voltage. I'll be limiting the motor voltage to
150-170. I started thinking about this when someone posted that the Zilla is
more efficient when the pack voltage is close to the motor voltage.
But how would this setup work with an EMeter? Is there any way to hook up one
Emeter to accurately track both charging and discharging? How about a Link 1000
that can monitor 2 packs? Could I leave it hooked up to the 2 halves of the
pack when charging as a single string?
Thanks
Dave Cover
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Ken, a big part of the reason, IMHO, for the poor showing at Woodburn this
year is because it was on Labor Day weekend, and on a Sunday.
In past years, Saturdays and non-holiday weekends have produced better
results.
Woodburn is well-known in drag-racing circles, and is most definitely NOT in
the middle of nowhere!
Joseph H. Strubhar
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
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From: "Ken Trough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:28 AM
Subject: NEDRA race location change?
> This year's poor spectator and participant turnout numbers at Woodburn
> caused some significant discussion on the topic of how to grow this
> sport amongst a number of people in attendance.
>
> I understand the desire to choose a geographic location that is
> accessible to a large number of users, but I don't believe Woodburn is
> the best choice for a NEDRA event, ESPECIALLY the nationals. Woodburn is
> literally in the middle of nowhere and honestly, I could see no impact
> nor interest in the EV racing from the Jr dragster crowd. I don't think
> we are changing any perspectives or planting any seeds there.
>
> The Wayland Invitational made this painfully obvious. There were FAR
> more spectators and FAR more serious racing participants. Additionally,
> the electrics were having FAR more impact on both spectators and racers
> alike. A number of people were comparing the electrics favorably with
> full blown race rigs and many seeds are planted every time Plasma Boy
> makes a good showing at the evening drags.
>
> Add the fact that the track is located in a major population center and
> you actually have some ability to promote a national championship event
> locally to improve the turnout (at least among the spectators).
>
> I think that if the NEDRA leadership is serious about growing this
> sport, they need to locate the nationals in a population center, and
> time it to cooincide with another significant racing event so that the
> electrics can have the maximum impact possible. The Portland track would
> make an excellent choice and they are even serviced by an electric train
> so that people can attend without burning gas to get there.
>
> In my opinion, Woodburn just isn't cutting it. Even with Wired coverage
> of the event before hand, we had the lowest turnout ever during a year
> with unprecidented interest in electrics. I believe it is time for a
> change.
>
> Do you want to maintain the status quo of dwindling participation, or do
> you want to make some changes to insure a future for this sport?
>
> I'm sure I am not the first person to make these suggestions.
>
> Something to think about....
>
> -Ken Trough
> Admin - V is for Voltage Magazine
> http://visforvoltage.com
> AIM - ktrough
> FAX/voice message - 206-339-VOLT (8658)
>
>
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Add to this the fact that NEDRA has done an extremely POOR job of
advertising the races at Woodburn. In past years, most of the local
advertising was done by ME, since I am close, and even that was limited.
Some years I made my own posters, because I couldn't get the official
posters fast enough.
Joseph H. Strubhar
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
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From: "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: NEDRA race location change?
> It's a shame that more people don't attend NEDRA races at Woodburn. A
> better venue would help but the basic problem is that not very many people
> are interested in racing of battery electric vehicles. Only a small
> minority of
> the people is interested in electric vehicles and only a minority of that
> minority
> is excited about drag racing.
>
> Let's admit that electric drag racing excites hardly anyone except the
> participants. The lack of noise is a disappointment; most of the
> excitement of a
> drag race is induced by the noise. And the electric cars are slugs
compared
> to
> ICE drag racers. While few electric dragsters can exceed 100 mph, the
> faster
> ICE racers can exceed 300 mph.
>
> If we want to convince people to drive electric cars, we need to find a
> better
> way than drag racing.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Trough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:28 AM
> Subject: NEDRA race location change?
>
>
> > This year's poor spectator and participant turnout numbers at Woodburn
> > caused some significant discussion on the topic of how to grow this
sport
> > amongst a number of people in attendance.
> >
> > I understand the desire to choose a geographic location that is
accessible
> > to a large number of users, but I don't believe Woodburn is the best
> > choice for a NEDRA event, ESPECIALLY the nationals. Woodburn is
literally
> > in the middle of nowhere and honestly, I could see no impact nor
interest
> > in the EV racing from the Jr dragster crowd. I don't think we are
changing
> > any perspectives or planting any seeds there.
> >
> > The Wayland Invitational made this painfully obvious. There were FAR
more
> > spectators and FAR more serious racing participants. Additionally, the
> > electrics were having FAR more impact on both spectators and racers
alike.
> > A number of people were comparing the electrics favorably with full
blown
> > race rigs and many seeds are planted every time Plasma Boy makes a good
> > showing at the evening drags.
> >
> > Add the fact that the track is located in a major population center and
> > you actually have some ability to promote a national championship event
> > locally to improve the turnout (at least among the spectators).
> >
> > I think that if the NEDRA leadership is serious about growing this
sport,
> > they need to locate the nationals in a population center, and time it to
> > cooincide with another significant racing event so that the electrics
can
> > have the maximum impact possible. The Portland track would make an
> > excellent choice and they are even serviced by an electric train so that
> > people can attend without burning gas to get there.
> >
> > In my opinion, Woodburn just isn't cutting it. Even with Wired coverage
of
> > the event before hand, we had the lowest turnout ever during a year with
> > unprecidented interest in electrics. I believe it is time for a change.
> >
> > Do you want to maintain the status quo of dwindling participation, or do
> > you want to make some changes to insure a future for this sport?
> >
> > I'm sure I am not the first person to make these suggestions.
> >
> > Something to think about....
> >
> > -Ken Trough
> > Admin - V is for Voltage Magazine
> > http://visforvoltage.com
> > AIM - ktrough
> > FAX/voice message - 206-339-VOLT (8658)
> >
> >
>
>
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The statement an enemy of my enemy is my friend I feel could be thought about
long and hard by this community as we all live (and breathe) in an ICE world.
As someone so new here I hope that is not to bold a statement to make. I came
here a few months back with the urging of John Wayland to share with you all
the process of tweaking an electric motor with some interesting modifications.
He suggested that I would be an asset to the group while learning about EVs
myself as well. Being Ive rebuilt golf cart, and forklift motors (all slow)
for what feels like my entire life, the prospect of tweaking a motor let alone
just putting one of these motors into a car was a thrill for me.
Being one of the TEAM members that helped set a world record was in fact the
coolest thing Ive ever been a part of. Along the way I feel Ive helped a few
people, and I have met no one but friends. For the last 24 years there has
never been a bigger conversation killer than my answer to the question what do
you do for a living. Well John Wayland and this group changed that. I now
direct anyone who wants more info. to the photo album, NEDRA, Plasmaboy, this
list, Etc.
I told several at Woodburn that I was hesitant to post more being new, and
fearing Id take up web space in peoples mailboxes. Bob Rice (Awesome guy)
was one of those who told me he enjoyed my posts and encouraged me to post
more. I found this last series of threads funny as I was just asking my son
Matt the other day as to what percentage of those on the list even read what I
posted. I know there are many threads I either know nothing about or are of
lower interest value to me, and I by-pass many threads as time is always a
factor. Although I can tend to be long winded at times, I hope that I am not
found by many to be a nuisance.
Some people are Chevy fans others Ford, some like BMWs. I see it here as well
on the list. While interviewing with Charles Platt last weekend he wanted a
standardized or universal conversion kit for people. Impossible, we have
always had a passion for the cars we drive and this list shows that EVers are
no different, and in fact may be even more passionate.
As far as my interest into daily drivers Im hoping that the conversion on Doug
Weathers variable adjust brush rigging will allow him to time his motor to his
cars system for the best range / performance possible (he chooses) allowing him
to make small adjustment to see what degree of advancement his system will need
to run its best.
I will end with this. Yet again I had a new customer come by today and
although I was unable to help him (busted starter yoke) I asked him you wanna
see something cool?
As we walked into the shop I asked him ever hear of EV racing? Yeah he says, I
saw a PGE thingy once
No I said check this out and plopped a Zombie pic out.
I was then able to show him the twin armatures all pretty still on the lathe.
Ive always wanted to build an electric he says as he promises to stop back in
soon.
We all have a common enemy as we are stuck in a world that has its head up
its a$$ (sorry). In 24 years Ive had just 6 motors come through my shop
intended for an EV. Just one guy came back to show me the end results.
Meeting John and connecting to this group has given me a tool that I can now
use to show others. Their first conversion is up to them.
Our first car will be a racer but I will have pamphlets that people can take
home leading them to all the options and services available to new EV
seedlings, and a plaque card with the cars FAQs so that people to shy to ask
might at least read. This also might free my time for more informative
discussion than just the basics. Anyway heres hoping we all know who the
enemy is. This post is not to berate, but to unify all that you all are! As
for me I like a little human interest with the story telling and all. Others
may not. I care not if Im clicked or trashed as I came here to help, learn,
and hopefully have a little fun while doing it.
Thank you for listening.
Sincerely,
Jim Husted
Hi-Torq
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