EV Digest 4687
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Used EV's
by "Mark McCurdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: I Can't Afford My Gasoline
by "Mark McCurdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Used EV's
by "Mark McCurdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Used EV's
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: NEDRA race location change?
by Ken Trough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: EV and vehicle speeds, was: No Interest in Electric Drag Racing?
by "Doug Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: DLS - 55 $95
by "Rick Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: searching for pulleys as shown in Grassroots videos
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: IOTA
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: Contactor on all the time or controlled by the pot box?
by "Philip Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: No Interest in Electric Drag Racing?
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: IOTA
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Tardy but not TOO LATE - Lazy Boy E-Chair Racing
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: I Can't Afford My Gasoline
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: What charger to use?
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) RE: Used EV's
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: An Enemy of my Enemy
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- Begin Message ---btw, I'd love to buy something like this for 100/mo :op http://www.grassrootsev.com/mits.htm----- Original Message ----- From: "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Used EV'sFrom: "Mark McCurdy" <ditto, I'd like lists of sites showing EVs for saleI have a few used ev's for sale http://www.grassrootsev.com/convert.htmright now I have people driving all but one :-) but there still all for sale , and I have made some people some sweet deals , which part of the deal is when somebody wants to buy one they will let them have it. I then will build them another even better . I wouldn't say that any are completely done , each one is a story in its self. My way of doing business my seem little funny , but each ev that is out there is such a strong EV light , the stories I hear for the people that are driving them keep me going . You may say that they are a bit hi priced compared to one somebody is trying to get rid of ,but I'm not trying to get rid of them , I want to build more , which means buying more parts and my labor. If somebody wanted all new parts , I would switch them out , there would be some labor cost . My last deal was the school teacher . She is paying me $100 / per month and every time I talk to her she just goes on and on about all the people she has shown it to and how interested everybody is . I guess I just enjoy seeing the EV grin on somebody's else's face , there have been a few that just didn't work out , some couldn't get the hang of plugging it it , I know its hard to believe , can't plug it in 1/2 hour before you go , or the fact that 12v is dead if the cars been sitting but full if you have a load on it . I've had to tell some , " I don't think an ev is right for you " and take my car back , with its batteries beaten up by somebody who I really though could take care of them. But I've also seen people who I was worried about , master the art of ev driving , and battery care .At times I feel like a very lucky guy , Steve Clunn
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--- Begin Message --- thought it was funny as hell but when I posted the link, didn't get a single commentexcept one that complained about people posting links without explanations reposted with descriptions but still no comments :o/----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: Fw: I Can't Afford My GasolineSubject: I Can't Afford My Gasoline Won't be long........ TURN YOUR SPEAKERS UP I thought you would enjoy I Can't Afford My Gasoline. Here's the link: http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/178/index.php Pretty funny!-- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/93 - Release Date: 9/8/2005
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--- Begin Message --- problem is I'm 1207 miles away, would take a very pretty penny to go down there and haul it back and not sure if my ice would be able to handle the weight pulling it if I drove down there (1995 dodge dakota) and hauled it back on a dollywas looking for someone selling closer to arkansas, hehe----- Original Message ----- From: "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Used EV'sFrom: "Mark McCurdy" <ditto, I'd like lists of sites showing EVs for saleI have a few used ev's for sale http://www.grassrootsev.com/convert.htmright now I have people driving all but one :-) but there still all for sale , and I have made some people some sweet deals , which part of the deal is when somebody wants to buy one they will let them have it. I then will build them another even better . I wouldn't say that any are completely done , each one is a story in its self. My way of doing business my seem little funny , but each ev that is out there is such a strong EV light , the stories I hear for the people that are driving them keep me going . You may say that they are a bit hi priced compared to one somebody is trying to get rid of ,but I'm not trying to get rid of them , I want to build more , which means buying more parts and my labor. If somebody wanted all new parts , I would switch them out , there would be some labor cost . My last deal was the school teacher . She is paying me $100 / per month and every time I talk to her she just goes on and on about all the people she has shown it to and how interested everybody is . I guess I just enjoy seeing the EV grin on somebody's else's face , there have been a few that just didn't work out , some couldn't get the hang of plugging it it , I know its hard to believe , can't plug it in 1/2 hour before you go , or the fact that 12v is dead if the cars been sitting but full if you have a load on it . I've had to tell some , " I don't think an ev is right for you " and take my car back , with its batteries beaten up by somebody who I really though could take care of them. But I've also seen people who I was worried about , master the art of ev driving , and battery care .At times I feel like a very lucky guy , Steve Clunn
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--- Begin Message ---At 04:38 PM 9/09/05 -0700, Noel wrote:For info, anyone know what motor and controller Toyota used in their RAV4-EV conversions?Hi Noel and allThe RAV4-EV was not a conversion, but was built differently as an EV at the factory. To my knowledge the RAV4-EV was very diffrernt to the standard RAV4. As I understand it the -EV is two wheel drive (front, I think, but I don't recall ever seeing it stated). The drivetrain and suspension are also different (funny that, a FWD being different to a 4WD). I don't know if the underbody platform is the same or not, although it would make sense for it to be.From what I've seen of RAV4s' they seem to have independent suspension, which may make changing to 2WD simpler. It may be possible to use an AC system, with a fixed-ratio gearbox and RWD, all under the body, and put batteries low in the front, sides and rear - but like everything "it depends".Just my $0.014US (thats $0.02Aus)James
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--- Begin Message ---Woodburn is well-known in drag-racing circles, and is most definitely NOT in the middle of nowhere!While Woodburn may have a rep in the circles, it is literally located in the middle of a farming community out in the sticks. Everyone I have ever brought to the Woodburn event has commented on the remoteness of the site. I was referring to the geography of the location, not it's reputation in racing circles.I was just making the point that if we were at PIR, we'd have a large population center on hand, electric train service to the EVent, and a large crowd in attendance for whatever gasser racing that is cooinciding with the NEDRA event. The Friday night crowd at PIR was bigger than anything I have yet seen at Woodburn, and the Friday night crowd was smaller than many of the weekend day events at PIR, judging from the photos I've seen.I was just thinking that if the goal is to engage new racers and spectators, Portland or another major metropolitan track has a better chance of doing that for us.-Ken Trough Admin - V is for Voltage Magazine http://visforvoltage.com AIM - ktrough FAX/voice message - 206-339-VOLT (8658)
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--- Begin Message ---Let's slow down a bit (ok - not the best beginning to this racing-related thread...). I agree with the previous statements that there have been a lot of racing-oriented threads on the list lately, and that the majority of the list readership (myself included) may not be primarily intertested in this sort of thing. However, some of the posts I read had me looking down the pathway toward suggesting that the diversity of interests could spawn a new list primarily oriented toward the racing crowd. I just wanted to defuse that thought before it came up. Please remember that some of our most valuable EV knowledge assets are among the racing crowd and are some of the most reliable and helpful contributors of tech information on the list. Without these people (I'm not going to list them all - there are simply too many individuals), the list would be a much quieter and less useful source of information for all of us - racers, environmentalists, hobbyists, tinkerers, vendors, customers, conservatives, liberals, students and all. If there was a separate "racers-only" list, I believe the current list would suffer a bit of neglect from these valuable contributors and we would all have lost something. My point: The current list is as good as it is BECAUSE we have the diverse interests we have. If you see something that doesn't interest you,skip it and don't complain about it being there. Not everything interests everyone, but you can still learn from it if you choose to read it. Just because you and I might never own a Waylandesque "terror of the track" doesn't mean the information is any less valuable to someone with a converted Geo Metro or a report on EV's due next week And to those who are interested in racing - as well as contributors that aren't - thanks for sharing what you learn about motors, controllers, and battery technologies with the rest of us on the list. I'm still working on passing up political commentaries that I don't agree with without commentary (I've been getting better about it though!), but anything I can use to improve my own knowledge of anything EV is welcome in my inbox. This newslist is a great asset to the community. Please - let's start appreciating it more and complaining about it less. I'm sure it would make those who work to provide this service to us feel better about the contribution they make if they don't see as many complaints about relative trivialities like this. Thanks! -Doug Martin ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Andrew Letton Sent: Fri 9/9/2005 1:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: EV and vehicle speeds, was: No Interest in Electric Drag Racing? Meta Bus wrote: > My point was not to criticize electric dragsters, but to express my > dismay at what I see-- an unfortunate focus, reminiscent of old daze. Take heart Jim- While it is true that of late (i.e. Racing Season) the conversation here often focuses on drag racing, I would venture that the vast majority of subscribers to this list are not racers or even racer wanna-bees, but rather people who are interested in EVs for the practical, clean, quiet (and fun!) hobby and transport that they provide. cheers, Andrew<<winmail.dat>>
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--- Begin Message ---You're going to be sorry, it will never work on DC just kidding :) Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 10:20 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: DLS - 55 $95 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4574250897&ssP ageName=MERC_VIC_ReBay_Pr3_PcY_BID_IT I just got The New IOTA DLS-55 Power Converter ( RV MARINE HAM CB ) for 95 dollars with mine being the only bid. The one above has three days left on it. Lawrence Rhodes Bassoon/Contrabassoon Reedmaker Book 4/5 doubler Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate 415-821-3519 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- Begin Message --- If you happen to have access to a friend who is a machinist, producing an item like this isn't too difficult with a lathe ...Stefano Landi wrote:Hello everyone,Stefano here again the budget-minded Ford Festiva converting guy. I watched the grassroots video again last night for what seems like the 14th time. I've been trying to locate a source for this split (tapered) hub pulley things that the fellow shows on his bench. I understand the overall idea and since my EV is on a very strict budget I was wondering if someone might have any leads as to where I might source pulleys like those shown. Or failing that if you know of another method to home-brew hubs for a keyed 7/8" shaft for my D & D please guide me gently to a URL or source of info.thanks, Stefano
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--- Begin Message --- I don't follow. Once running down a DC battery is discounted, you go straight to alternator as the next option?A alternator is a solution, but frankly this is not a great solution. To the purist, I would have thought it would be considered an abomination.An alterator is not very efficient, heavy, comes with considerable mounting and RPM concerns, and produces no power when the motor is not turning. Not only is it not highly efficient itself, by running off the traction motor it is taxed by the inefficiency of the motor and controller. It generally still requires a battery unless you pull some additional tricks to stabilize the output. If you do put a battery on it, the alternator does not have any sense of being a charge controller and the factory reg settings usually mean it provides something like 15W (I've seen more like 30W) of trickle charge to an already full battery. A DC/DC converter can be extremely efficient, and doesn't have any liabilities like this. It can be mounted anywhere in a few minutes. What's the big concern here? Finding one with the right input range and current capacity?DC/DCs aren't really that complicated for a mid-level electronics guy to build. I guess isolation becomes important? That does complicate things... but still, it's not rocket science to put one together. How much current are we talking here? Maybe 15 amps for the headlights and turn signals, a couple of amps for a normal radio, ??? for power windows/seat?Danny Lee Hart wrote:Cwarman wrote:So this isnt a good idea to use a dc to dc converter...It's not so much a question of whether an Iota is a "good idea" to use as a DC/DC. It's a matter of the tradeoffs between cost, performance, and utility. The simplest DC/DC is *no* DC/DC. You just have a big 12v battery that is constantly running down as you drive, and that you charge right along with the rest of the batteries when you are parked. Simple, cheap, reliable -- but low performance (heavy, voltage is low so headlights are dimmer, etc.) The next step up is an alternator to charge the 12v battery. It get spun by a belt from the traction motor. Works just like every other car's 12v system. Still pretty simple, fairly cheap, fairly reliable -- and performance is adequate. If neither of these is good enough for your, the next step up is some generic mass-produced AC-in switching power supply that happens to work tolerably with a DC input for battery charging. Better yet is a real purpose-built DC/DC like you'd find in all the auto company produced EVs. They are good enough to all but eliminate the 12v battery. The ultimate is probably to design out the 12v system entirely. Run everything from the HV pack.
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--- Begin Message ---From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Is it better to have the contactor on all the time or have it kick in every time you put the foot to the pedal. My Electravan kicks in the contactor every time you touch the pedal. I wired the Aspire to have the contactor come on when the 12v system was powered up through the normal Ignition key. Pro's and Con's?One reason ( and, I believe, the most important one) for having the main contactor open when your foot comes off the accelerator is to guard against a runaway caused by a controller failing " full on". Turning off the ignition to drop out the main contactor in such a situation would take too long, and might not be the first thing you think to do ( while trying not to hit other cars).My choice was to have the main contactor drop out when the brake light comes on, and close when the pedal is pressed. ( and, stay closed until the brake light comes on again, or the ignition key is turned off). It seems to me that the first thing I would do instinctively with a runaway is hit the brakes.This is not my original idea - it was suggested in this loop some time ago, although I don't remember who suggested it.Phil MarinoLawrence Rhodes_________________________________________________________________FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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--- Begin Message --- OK john, I'll take you on, on this one. The whole game is horsepower per pound in drag racing. I am not sure what the efficiency of a top fuel drag racer is but I would be willing to bet it is lower than the best efficiency ever gained by an internal combustion engine, around 30 %. The main reason electric powered vehicles will dominate all forms of automotive racing in the future is a very simple concept that I know you are intelligent enough to grasp. It is efficiency and horsepower per pound. Already an electric vehicle has topped 325 mph at Bonneville. What part of efficiency don't you understand, John. It is a very simple concept. It is all horsepower per pound. Bill Dube has already tested high discharge Lithium batteries at his lab at NIST at three horsepower per pound. Of course myself or my fellow racers can not afford these as we can not also afford to campaign a multi million dollar race car. But I will once again try to drill this into your head. Horsepower per pound is all that matters!!!!! And efficiency per pound makes it all happen,. If you are so sharp John, give us the figures on the efficiency of a 300 mph plus drag car. I would also like to see the efficiency of your 75 Datsun 280Z. By your implication I am assuming this was in the quarter mile. If so I would be impressed. If at Bonneville it is not impressive! Go back to your workshop and do something significant with your life and stop battering EVS. Flame mode well on!Roderick Wilde "Suck Amps EV Racing" www.suckamps.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Neon John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: Re: No Interest in Electric Drag Racing?On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:10:06 -0700, "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Boy we are getting our share of foolish statments today Aren't We???? The Fastest Ev dragster can do 150 plus with stout AGMsWe have a bike that ran 150. So... even 300 MPH ... for Top Fuel and FunnyCar. We are 1/2 way there.Yes, silly. Given that power required increases with the cube of velocity, at 150 mph, you're barely out of the gates toward 300. Anyone who's joined the 200 mph street car club (75 Datsun 280Z in my case) know that the span from 150 to 200 requires about the same increment of power as getting to 150.Keep in mind we have our share of 100 mph Street cars... Not 100 Dragsters,But street cars. And the 300 mph crowd has 100s of thousands of dollars a year in sponsorship. Even our fastest EV Bike and dragsters.. have maybe $50,000 invested in them Even our fastest doesn't rate more than a a Hobbiest in the cashflow that the Big boys burn through even on a normal weekend.If You gave 100,000 Bucks to any of us racers... and we will be over 150 andheaded to 200 in months if not weeks. Can you imagine John Force doing a EV just few million to play with??? 5 seconds and 300 IS possible with the right funding and team.I've seen this claim or one similar from several people. Now I'm curious. Please describe the path you'd take to get to 300 mph if you did have a megabuck. No details necessary. Just assume a black box full of FM (fsking magic) as the interface between the energy storage and the motor. Just getting enough energy onboard and delivering it rapidly enough to run that fast will be hard enough. I've been noodling some numbers around and I just don't see it, even with a combo of exotic batteries and some sort of ultra-high rate energy buffer - superconducting flywheel or ??? Even 200 in the quarter seems virtually impossible to me. I'd certainly be pleased to be enlightened. John --- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.johngsbbq.com Cleveland, Occupied TN -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/94 - Release Date: 9/9/2005-- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/94 - Release Date: 9/9/2005
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--- Begin Message ---I have seen 16Volt batteries (and chargers and alternators) available from summit. I suppose that could be a simple charge as you run or charge as you charge that wouldn't get dim as quickly.
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--- Begin Message ---I’ve been sitting on this story to post for over a month. My apologies…The World is defiantly accelerating with events. From Friday Night Drags, NEDRA at Woodburn, And YES Katrina….. It seems like a bunch of ABSOLUTE GAS HEADS who are into vintage and CanAm style road racing, which is getting me all amped about a new class of EV Racing… was ludicrous ! I mean…, After all, there already been shopping kart EV racing, EV Bar Stool Racing…. Now there is LAZY-BOY Recliner EV CHAIR RACING!!So let me share A little Recent History on how it is Recliner Racing came into play. About 2 months ago, a man by the name ofChuck LaFord called me and asked if our club (SEVA-Seattle EV Association) members would be interested in joining some of HIS buddies to race electric powered Lazy-Boy Recliners during half time out at Pacific International Race Way, come September 24th, 05. At first I didn’t know what to say, but as our discussion went on it was apparentthat most of these folks had the $$ Capitol, the means and time to build some powerful chairs and have a blast from green to finish. But what really interested me is the PR angle. Here are some names that he dropped as possible guest drivers of Chairs our Club would come up with….Chip Hanauer, world class Unlimited Hydroplane driver …retired. Craig Breedlove, world Bonneville Speed Record holder… and others Yes…. My contact actually is personal friends with almost any one and everyone in road racing. (also if you care to Google his NAME, you will see he is world class in Pond Racing of Airplanes… Not an inexpensive hobby…. By any means…. SO..How could I say NO…. (almost) Any publicity is GOOD Publicity…. RIGHT ? Now so far… Only a few folks in the immediate North West know about this. (That is MY fault… ) for coming up with hard and fast RULES about the vehicles has been the “Bain of my Existence” i.e. No one in their elite race community wants to Bite the Bullet, and give us a hard and fast rule book, ala NEDRA, or NHRA, or SCCofAmerica. So the only parameters I have are as follows:No wider than 48” No longer than 8 feet. No more batteries than 200 lbs. Some Kind of seat that looks kind-of like a Lazy-Boy Recliner. ( But even that “Rule” has been stretched. One GUY who is using an Ejection Seat from a Navy Jet !!- and the Rule-Guys said “ …That sounds just FINE” So what am I to do…. There are Rules, but then again there ARE NO RULES…. The only thing they have STRESSED over and over again is SAFETY, Handling, Breaking, Steering, and SAFETY !! ( Oh.. Yah… some idiot said something about seat belts….) And many have said…” Hay Motorcycles DON’T have seatbelts !!” And I have to agree…. I think the 5-Point NASCAR Harness that some are using is more of a joke than a safety item… I suppose, if you have belts, one would not have to USE them in a short 15 minute race round a Go-Kart type course.. OH PS: There IS a $1,000. prize Purse !!! Yup ! Plus free admission into Pacific International Race Way, that day for the Vintage Auto Road Racing… Could be interesting ???.I have posted a few pictures of what this chair thing might look like. One is of me in a Lazy Boy, with NO CHASSIS. http:/home.comcast.net/~stevenslough/LazyBoyRacer.jpg The second is a Really superb dual motor, independent rear drive chassis that Dave Cloud has built. http:/home.comcast.net/~stevenslough/DavesEChairTWO.JPG Also there is another dual motor tricycle being built by Don “Father Time” Crabtree which will be of equal or exceeding quality and SPEED. AND there are others ….For those of you in the North West who recognize the name Chip Hanaure…. He was very excited to drive one of our E-Chairs from the verybeginning… He drove Road Racing Cars for Pt. Townsand High School down in Arizona many years ago… But just days ago, I got an e-mail from him that stated that commitments of a humanitarian nature in Louisiana and the Hurricane Katrina tragedy., will take him away from Washington State for the next month. Our thoughts and prayers go with him….-- Steven S. Lough, Pres. Seattle EV Association 6021 32nd Ave. N.E. Seattle, WA 98115-7230 Day: 206 850-8535 Eve: 206 524-1351 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.seattleeva.org
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--- Begin Message --- Sorry about that, Mark. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and passed it on to another group. Thank you!David C. Wilker Jr. United States Air Force, Retired----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark McCurdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: Re: I Can't Afford My Gasolinethought it was funny as hell but when I posted the link, didn't get a single commentexcept one that complained about people posting links without explanations reposted with descriptions but still no comments :o/----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: Fw: I Can't Afford My GasolineSubject: I Can't Afford My Gasoline Won't be long........ TURN YOUR SPEAKERS UP I thought you would enjoy I Can't Afford My Gasoline. Here's the link: http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/178/index.php Pretty funny!-- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/93 - Release Date: 9/8/2005
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--- Begin Message ---At 07:09 PM 9/9/2005, Michaela Merz wrote:Question about a charger: I have two EVs, one with a 120 V system, the other with 132 V. I am looking for a charger that would be able to provide both voltages, run off 110 and 220 Volts and provide fully automatic charging ('fire and forget'). What system would the list suggest and where to get it?http://www.manzanitamicro.com -- John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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--- Begin Message ---Looking under yahoo.autos, and cars.com, there are a few gliders for $3-4K. RE: LiPos: I'm just now re-reading a few posts that I ignored previously b/c I thought Lithium was synonymous with "Unobtainium". Not so. The important thing is that the wife did not even come close to dismissing it out-of-hand!!! (;-p --- "Noel P. Luneau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cool Bob. > > What do you think the Glider will cost? > > Which LiPos and how much do you think they will be? > > Noel > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Bob Bath > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 6:32 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Used EV's > > I'd still go DC, but with LiPos & regs. (Recent > posts have my drool on > them). The RAV is 500 lbs. or so heavier than the > Civvy. > I'd pester Peter for a DCP as I've been happy with > the new version of > the Raptor, at least for now. > > > --- "Noel P. Luneau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The RAV4 sounds like a fun conversion... Anyone > done any private > > conversions? Are you going AC or DC Bob? > > > > For info, anyone know what motor and controller > Toyota used in their > > RAV4-EV conversions? > > > > Noel > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Bob Bath"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: 9/9/05 3:57:43 PM > > To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: Used EV's > > > > Seems like the length of the list at Trading Post > is getting shorter. > > > I wonder if anyone is tracking the sale of decent > rigs lately. > > > > I'm considering selling the Civic and doing a > RAV-4, b/c of the low > > seating position & wife's back. (Or is it just > that I'm not happy > > unless I'm building something, and there's nothing > left to work on on > > the Civic?!!! > > peace, > > > > --- Roy LeMeur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >ditto, I'd like lists of sites showing EVs for > > sale > > > > > > http://www.austinev.org/evtradinpost/ > > > > > > http://www.eaasv.org/ > > > > > > http://www.eaaev.org/ > > > > > > http://www.evadc.org/for_sale..html > > > > > > http://www.phoenixeaa.com/ > > > > > > http://www.nbeaa.org/sale.htm > > > > > > http://home.att.net/~NCSDCA/EVAoSD/forsale.htm > > > > > > http://neeaa.org/forsale.htm > > > > > > http://www.lveva.org/For_Sale/for_sale.html > > > > > > http://www.oeva.org/forsale/ > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roy LeMeur > > > Olympia WA > > > > > > My Electric Vehicle Pages: > > > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html > > > > > > Informative Electric Vehicle Links: > > > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html > > > > > > EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries: > > > http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > '92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V (video or DVD > available)! > > www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html > > ____ > > __/__|__\ __ > > =D-------/ - - \ > > 'O'-----'O'-' > > Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe > came out of the > > steering wheel? Are you saving any gas for your > kids? > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief > > effort. > > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > > > > > > '92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V (video or DVD > available)! > www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html > ____ > __/__|__\ __ > =D-------/ - - \ > 'O'-----'O'-' > Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came > out of the steering > wheel? Are you saving any gas for your kids? > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > effort. > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > '92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V (video or DVD available)! www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html ____ __/__|__\ __ =D-------/ - - \ 'O'-----'O'-' Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came out of the steering wheel? Are you saving any gas for your kids? ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/
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--- Begin Message --- I for one love your posts and your new found excitement. Keep em coming. You are exactly what our spot needs! Anyway, John needs a little competition on several levels to keep his swelled head in check since his last outing :-)Roderick Wilde "Suck Amps EV Racing" www.suckamps.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Husted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: An Enemy of my EnemyThe statement "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" I feel could be thought about long and hard by this community as we all live (and breathe) in an ICE world. As someone so new here I hope that is not to bold a statement to make. I came here a few months back with the urging of John Wayland to share with you all the process of tweaking an electric motor with some interesting modifications. He suggested that I would be an asset to the group while learning about EV's myself as well. Being I've rebuilt golf cart, and forklift motors (all slow) for what feels like my entire life, the prospect of tweaking a motor let alone just putting one of these motors into a car was a thrill for me.Being one of the "TEAM" members that helped set a world record was in fact the coolest thing I've ever been a part of. Along the way I feel I've helped a few people, and I have met no one but friends. For the last 24 years there has never been a bigger conversation killer than my answer to the question "what do you do for a living". Well John Wayland and this group changed that. I now direct anyone who wants more info. to the photo album, NEDRA, Plasmaboy, this list, Etc.I told several at Woodburn that I was hesitant to post more being new, and fearing I'd take up "web space" in peoples mailboxes. Bob Rice (Awesome guy) was one of those who told me he enjoyed my posts and encouraged me to post more. I found this last series of threads funny as I was just asking my son Matt the other day as to what percentage of those on the list even read what I posted. I know there are many threads I either know nothing about or are of lower interest value to me, and I by-pass many threads as time is always a factor. Although I can tend to be long winded at times, I hope that I am not found "by many" to be a nuisance.Some people are Chevy fans others Ford, some like BMW's. I see it here as well on the list. While interviewing with Charles Platt last weekend he wanted a standardized or universal conversion kit for people. Impossible, we have always had a passion for the cars we drive and this list shows that EV'ers are no different, and in fact may be even more passionate.As far as my interest into daily drivers I'm hoping that the conversion on Doug Weathers variable adjust brush rigging will allow him to time his motor to his cars system for the best range / performance possible (he chooses) allowing him to make small adjustment to see what degree of advancement his system will need to run its best.I will end with this. Yet again I had a new customer come by today and although I was unable to help him (busted starter yoke) I asked him "you wanna see something cool?"As we walked into the shop I asked him ever hear of EV racing? Yeah he says, I saw a PGE thingy once. No I said check this out and plopped a Zombie pic out. I was then able to show him the twin armatures all pretty still on the lathe. I've always wanted to build an electric he says as he promises to stop back in soon.We all have a common enemy as we are stuck in a world that has it's head up it's a$$ (sorry). In 24 years I've had just 6 motors come through my shop intended for an EV. Just one guy came back to show me the end results. Meeting John and connecting to this group has given me a tool that I can now use to show others. Their first conversion is up to them.Our first car will be a racer but I will have pamphlets that people can take home leading them to all the options and services available to new EV seedlings, and a plaque card with the cars FAQ's so that people to shy to ask might at least read. This also might free my time for more informative discussion than just the basics. Anyway here's hoping we all know who the enemy is. This post is not to berate, but to unify all that you all are! As for me I like a little human interest with the story telling and all. Others may not. I care not if I'm clicked or trashed as I came here to help, learn, and hopefully have a little fun while doing it.Thank you for listening. Sincerely, Jim Husted Hi-Torq --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/94 - Release Date: 9/9/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/94 - Release Date: 9/9/2005
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