EV Digest 4763
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: We got the Sunrise !!!
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: We got the Sunrise !!!
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Ev state of charge display?
by Tom Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: White Zombie Electrifies PIR ...12.424 @ 103.57 mph!
by toltec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Advice on getting motorcycle glider for an EV
by Mark Dodrill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: We got the Sunrise !!!
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Which Nedra class? Last posting
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Wife's EV questions?
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Tech question (was, unfortuantely: Asking for witnesses)
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Wife's EV questions?
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) source for drive belts?
by toltec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: We got the Sunrise !!!
by Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) A new Sunrise on eBay
by "Noel P. Luneau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) RE: Advice on getting motocycle glider for an EV
by "Dewey, Jody R ATC (CVN75 IM3)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Ev state of charge display?
by "Tim Stephenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) battery explosion
by "ohnojoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: battery explosion
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: We got the Sunrise !!!
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Which Nedra class? Last posting
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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PS, we just barely beat Zap from getting it most likely from the bid
name.
Thank goodness. Wish the best for the project. Lawrence Rhodes.....
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out of lurc mode.... . Wow !fabulous! congrats! best news! made my day!
yippie!!!great.great, great!!!
Andrew Delano
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hi people
I have been thinking about this for a while after
seeing all the posts on yhe problems with metering the
state of charge of a ev battery pack.
I wonder if, other than the added cost, if a 1/4 split
battery pack might give a more secure feeling to the
driver... arrange your pack into say... 4 30ah packs
(I know ... smaller batteries and more connections)
and have a shifter and display indicating full charge
for each which switches off when used up to 80%
discharge ... then shift to the next... you'd end up
with 3 rested packs to allow a small reserve capicity.
any of you have any thoughts on this scheme? am I
completely out to lunch?
Tom
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Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
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> [...]
7th run, exactly 0:00 am....As a tribute to the electric car's great
night, the track allowed us the final run of the night. Tim pulled off a
12.575 @ 104.85 mph...just .15 seconds away from 105 mph! This was the
fastest trap speed ever for White Zombie.
AWESOME!!!
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I'm not too particular on the style, just something comfortable to ride.
Up here in the Seattle area, "flat is not where it's at"--hills are
everywhere. I can either go on the freeway or the backroads to get to/from
work. Getting a vehicle to run at freeway speeds for 10 miles with up and
down isn't feasible for what I can do. The backroads are definately more
hilly, but most are 25-30 mph, so the power requirements are much smaller.
Eventually, I want to have a motor and controller that will do regen, to
take advantage of this, but not in the first version.
Thanks for the data point on your range with Yellow Tops -- that's helpful
to me. To what level of discharge is 16 miles on your batteries? Do you have
data on your actual kilowatt hours of discharge to go that 16 miles? Seems
like you would have a very good situation, being on mostly flat terrain.
Mark
On 9/25/05, mreish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >goal is to have a daily commuter (13 miles each way, may be able to
> charge
> >at work) that I would probably ride only in good weather, floodeds or
> AGMs
> >probably, must go 40mph (freeway capable nice but not required), 48-72
> volts
>
> Damon's post carries a lot of good advice.
>
> Do you want a cruiser, a standard or a sportbike? 13 miles each way
> is doable. I have Optima Yellow Tops - D34 - that give me a range of
> about 16 miles at 48v on pretty flat terrain.
>
> --
> The Electric Motorcycle Portal
> http://www.electricmotorcycles.net/
>
>
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Mark
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Fantastic - great job Jerry, Lee, Bob and Keith!
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of jerry dycus
Sent: September 26, 2005 8:08 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: We got the Sunrise !!!
Hi All,
Bob Rice and I with the help of others on this and other
lists just won the body of the Selectria Sunrise at E bay auction and James
Worden has given permission to make more Sunrises from it !!!
So the early plan is to make a mold from it and start making
some of them though will probably take a yr to get the first one going. Most
of the work has already been done on the hard part, finding all those little
parts needed to finish the EV.
All and All, a great day for EV's !!!
Thanks again to those who helped make
this happen, especially Bob Rice, Lee Hart and Keith VanSickle.
Yeah Team !!
Jerry Dycus
PS, we just barely beat Zap from getting it most likely from
the bid name.
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You are insulted? Now thats irony. Maybe you should read what I posted VS
what you posted. Calling me "Mr. Nedra expert" when all I was asking for was
some clarification of the rules and stating my reasons and concerns for
wanting them? From the person that is supposed to be THE NEDRA EXPERT, the
President of NEDRA? And lets not forget the "armchair quarterback" comment?
I don't remember ever criticizing NEDRA or the work that the association
does. A little stale isn't it? If NEDRA is such a thankless job, let someone
else do it. Or let it die. But don't trot that crap out everytime someone
says anything that seems to question something you say or do.
I guess I got the "reclassify cars due to opinions" part in good measure
from your statement "And I want it to stay exclusive." Note the "I" there.
Kinda bothers me when someone in your position says something like that.
Especially when there is an admitted lack of printed or posted guidlines.
That and the fact that you and Bill have never addressed the classification
clarification questions posed to you by myself over the last year or
Dennis's recent one. Oh yes, Bill addressed it I guess. Or even my very
reasonable and innocent question as to what class GP runs in (to try and
find a yardstick to measure with) Great spin doctoring Rod, LOL. I guess I
shouldn't expect a Xmas card this year huh :-)? David Chapman.
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From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Which Nedra class?
> I find your post extremely insulting! David, what part of left field are
you
> coming from? There was no mention in my post of NEDRA reclassifying cars
> because of someone's "opinion" as you state. How did you interpret that
from
> my post? When we initially made the classes we did the best we could with
> the knowledge we had at the time. The NHRA has gone through many changes.
> Bracket racing did not start in 1953 at the inception of the NHRA. It came
> much later when the competition was so stiff that it would cost you an
> additional ten grand for a tenth of a second. You further state: "Yes NHRA
> from time to time revisits rules and adjusts them as they see fit, but
from
> what they have told me they do not do this lightly or often." The last
major
> rule change that I can think of that the NHRA did was to allow electric
cars
> and motorcycles to race on NHRA tracks. Until 1999 the rule book stated
that
> you must have an internal combustion engine. Bill Dube and myself lobbied
> the NHRA on behalf of NEDRA and got that rule changed to allow electric
> motorcycles and electric cars. Dennis Berube personally got a battery rule
> changed in the NHRA rule book just for his own vehicle. So tell me Mr.
NEDRA
> expert, when was the last time NEDRA made any major rule changes? The only
> ones I can think of off the top of my head were when we decided to align
> ourselves with the NHRA rules. This brought about dropping go carts and
> class 64 vehicles due to NHRA safety regulations. It was not brought about
> by "opinions" or any prejudice toward any particular vehicle or person,
> period.You also stated: "Just because a car "pushes the envelope" of a
class
> doesn't automatically make it something to be looked down upon." What
> recesses of your mind did you pull this one from. I stated I would love to
> see Dennis or anyone else push the envelope of EV drag racing. Where did
you
> get this "looked down upon" attitude. This is pure BS. I have always been
> pro EV performance and everyone on this list who's been here for a while
> knows that.
> You further state: "For instance I firmly believe that Johns Datsun is a
> no problem SC. Even tho I can't remember a single Datsun coming out with a
> Ford 9" and a spool." You know you got me on this one. I can't remember a
> single Datsun coming out with a Zilla and two Warp 8" motors either. whod
a
> thunk it!
> You ask: "Anyway, I guess I am in a quandry now too. What is the concise
> definition of SC and MC? And the differances between the two?" This is a
> valid question and I will admit that the NEDRA site does not go into more
> detail than street Conversions (SC) are street legal and Modified
> Conversions (MC) are not due to things like wrinkle wall slicks that
aren't
> DOT approved. I agree with you that we need to clarify these rules but you
> also make the point that if we do we will be perceived as trying to
> "reclassify cars due to opinions". Actually the NEDRA board has recently
> been discussing making the class rules clearer. NEDRA is an all volunteer
> organization and it is easy for all the sideline quarterbacks to criticize
> when a few are doing all the thankless work.
>
> Roderick Wilde
> NEDRA President
>
> PS: I first brought up the XS class over three or four years ago when
> thinking of building an all out plastic street bodied, tube chassis, ultra
> lightweight multi motored electric. I brought it up because I thought it
> would not be fair for me to run against MC cars. The purpose of having
> classes is to try to make the playing field more fair for all the
> participants.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Which Nedra class?
>
>
> > Rod,
> > If you or NEDRA are going to "interpret" the class that a car fits into
on
> > a
> > case by case basis, you are going to kill the incentive to build new
cars
> > or
> > to run under NEDRA sanction. We need hard and fast rules that we can
build
> > cars to so we have the confidence that when we are ready to run that it
> > won't be reclassified because of someones "opinion". Just because a car
> > "pushes the envelope" of a class doesn't automatically make it something
> > to
> > be looked down upon. Isn't pushing the envelope what leads to new
> > developments? Yes NHRA from time to time revisits rules and adjusts them
> > as
> > they see fit, but from what they have told me they do not do this
lightly
> > or
> > often. I have seen cars around Phx like your gutted Chevy driving to the
> > soda fountain, out to dinner etc. Not particularly comfortable or
> > practical
> > but street legal they are. And they are most definately street legal.
The
> > Police make damn sure of that, LOL. IMHO, if its got a vin# and a
current
> > licence plate and registration, it is steet legal. And as far as I can
> > tell,
> > that is NEDRAs current defination of SC. Please correct me if I am
wrong.
> > For instance I firmly believe that Johns Datsun is a no problem SC. Even
> > tho
> > I can't remember a single Datsun coming out with a Ford 9" and a spool.
> > Even if he wants to run wheelie bars, take out some of the upholstry or
> > tub
> > it so he can run slicks if he wants to. He can always run street tires
for
> > the races that require it, or for jaunts down to the soda fountain. BTW,
I
> > am sorry but I cannot remember, what class does "Postal" run in? I am
not
> > trying to be a smartass, I just havn't noticed and didn't see it on the
> > NEDRA site anywhere.
> >
> > Anyway, I guess I am in a quandry now too. What is the concise
definition
> > of
> > SC and MC? And the differances between the two? This is pretty much what
> > Dennis was trying to ascertain and what I was looking for over a year
ago
> > when I asked about a Citicar that I was thinking of running. And so far
as
> > I
> > can tell neither of us has gotten an answer yet that we can use.
> >
> > David Chapman.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: Which Nedra class?
> >
> >
> >> Rich Rudman said: "And Dennis is trying to make a Street legal truck
Both
> >> NEDRA and Madman's100 compliant."
> >>
> >> I am assuming Rich that you are referring to your own ethereal 100 mph
> > club.
> >> I really don't believe Dennis's truck would fall into your original
> > intended
> >> rules for your 100 mph club. On May 16th of 2004 you posted to the
list:
> >>
> >> The point is TO HAVE A daily driver, that is 100 mph capable on the
> >> strip.
> >> It's one of the hardest things to do. And I want it to stay exclusive.
> > Light
> >> dragsters, and tube frame Evs, should do it no problem. Doing it with a
> >> commuter and lead powered is Haaarrrd!! The point of any street Rod is
> > drive
> >> to the soda fountain, or for some dinner, then have fun on the way
home.
> >>
> >> Dennis Berube wrote:
> >>
> >> If a person had a pro street truck(NHRA)tube frame, fiber body fitted
> > in
> >> such a way as to be totaly street legal and driven on the street with a
> > lic.
> >> and insurance which class would it belong to in nedra?
> >>
> >> A vehicle built like this has been discussed at NEDRA board meetings
> > before.
> >> The idea I had was for a class called Xtreme Street which would have
the
> >> designation XS. So if you were a high voltage car you would be XS/A
When
> >> I
> >> went to the Wayland Invitational Saturday Night Street Legal Drags at
PIR
> > I
> >> was parked next to a fully gutted chevy that was tubbed and had 14"
wide
> >> wrinkle walls with grooves to make them street legal. It ran wheelie
bars
> >> and turned 9 second ETs. This may be the NHRA version of a street legal
> > car
> >> but I believe NEDRA might look at it differently. We made the modified
> >> conversion category to handle cars that were beyond daily drivers. At
> >> that
> >> time no one had put the money and time to build a vehicle such as
Dennis
> >> describes except for "The Ghia Monster" www.ghiamonster.com which is
> >> currently still under construction. I personally would love to see
Dennis
> > or
> >> anyone else build a car like this to push the EV envelope and the EV
> >> movement. I am sure that a category for these vehicles will be
> >> established
> >> by NEDRA at some point. It is great to see the interest in EV drag
racing
> >> growing.
> >>
> >> Roderick wilde
> >> NEDRA President
> >>
> >>
> >>
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At 07:54 PM 9/26/2005, you wrote:
Hi guys,
Yup you read right, my wife had a few EV questions, well more "what if"
scenarios. We were watching Monster Truck racing and she asked me if it
would be possible to build an Electric Monster Truck.
All it takes is money. ;^)
Probably the best approach would be to get the tires, wheels, and
electric hub drives from one of those huge strip mine trucks and put them
under a pick-up.
Like shooting fish in a barrel. :^)
_ /| Bill "Wisenheimer" Dube'
\'o.O' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
=(___)=
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Check out the bike -> http://www.KillaCycle.com
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At 10:15 AM 9/26/2005, you wrote:
Just a tech question from a NEDRA wannabe (hoping to have my
conversion done for an event in 2006). Don't you have to see the
batteries, too, to verify voltage and battery restraints? I just
realized that if they are too hard to see (like only from under the
very low car) that would make tech harder to do.
The tech inspector doesn't check everything. There are some things
that you check every time on every car like seat belts, lug nuts, helmets,
tires, etc.
A general look at the car will tell you pretty quick if you need
to look more closely. In general, cars that comply with the rules comply in
nearly all respects and cars that don't comply with the rules have lots of
things wrong. There are folks that care about safety and read the rules,
and there are those that don't. They are pretty easy to tell apart.
What are the most common reasons cars fail NEDRA's tech?
The most common failure is the "visible indication" that the car
is live. There must be a light or a mechanical indicator (like a big red
triangle on the keys) to clearly show that the car is on or off.
Next is the requirement for the rear disconnect switch. There has
to be a well-marked switch in the rear of the car to turn off the car. The
track crew needs to have this standard location so they can turn off the
car quickly if they need to.
Keep in mind that it is pretty rare to flunk and car and put it on
the trailer for the event. If there is a minor issue (or two) you point it
out and make sure the person knows what they must fix, and then tell them
to get it taken care of for the next event.
I have given a lot of "fix that for next time" but have only
failed two vehicles. One managed to fix the problem in the pits in a few
minutes. The other was a design issue that really could not be fixed
easily. Both drivers understood my safety concerns and agreed with me
without any argument.
One of these "tech failures" was a missing chain guard on a
chain-drive dragster. The chain ran inches from the driver's neck. The
driver fashioned a guard from a chunk of aluminum angle and he was all set
to go. On his first run down the strip the chain snapped. I was glad I made
him put on the chain guard, needless to say.
It would be
nice to avoid any blunders while it is easy to redesign things.
I would advise that you take your car to the track during a "test
and tune" session. These sessions are set up specifically so folks can try
out new set-ups and new vehicles. The tech inspectors have plenty of time
to talk with you and give advice at these sessions. They are generally a
bit more "flexible" as well.
It is also well worth coming to one of the NEDRA events. You can
see what other folks have done, talk to the racers, and watch the tech
inspector do what he does.
Bill Dube'
National Technical Director
National Electric Drag Racing Association
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Stefano,
10,000 lb trucks and 20,000 lb buses can used asymmetric super capacitors
instead of batteries. The capacitor cells are gain together in a battery like
cases from 6 to 42 volts units.
Unlike batteries, they can be charge in 10 to 15 minutes.
They have over 500,000 charger/discharger cycles unlike some batteries that can
only get from 500 to 1000 cycles.
They are normally used for low speed truck delivery and bus runs of 10 to 20
miles.
I have contacted this company some time ago, and I may used these in my new EV
which will be a very large pickup so I can carry more cargo. My daily runs are
from 5 to 10 miles with many one hour stops.
For more info. see:
www.esma-cap.com<http://www.esma-cap.com/>
Roland
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From: Stefano Landi<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu<mailto:ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 7:54 PM
Subject: Wife's EV questions?
Hi guys,
Yup you read right, my wife had a few EV questions, well more "what if"
scenarios. We were watching Monster Truck racing and she asked me if it
would be possible to build an Electric Monster Truck. I pondered the idea
and figured that yes it would be possible with something like 4 9" or 10"
ADC with a whack load of lead. She asked if that wouldn't be too heavy, well
since these trucks weigh in at 10,000 lbs anyway, what would say a couple of
thousand pounds of batteries be? In fact since Monster trucks don't need to
go very fun, you wouldn't have to worry about range, just shear power and
torque. It was a fun entertaining exchange I must admit.
The other question was what kind of autonomy could a electric school bus
camper conversion get? Again, with all the space for batteries and a very
strong frame, I imagine someone could conceivably make a camper that could
get at least 100 miles range? Again, this was an interesting thought
experiment. Made me also think about the possibility of a long-haul 18
wheeler EV, would something like that be possible, I mean the truck could
carry a whole trailer full of batteries and each trailer could then have its
own power source for the cab and therefore the drivers could drive to their
destination, drop off their load and spent batteries, pick up a new battery
pack with their new load. Sounds plausible anyway.
Thanks for the time,
Stefano
http://fest-ev-a.slandi.net<http://fest-ev-a.slandi.net/>
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a quick question:
after a year and half of service, the drive belt on my scooter went POP
(it's an 825 5m 15)
I can't seem to find a local supplier that has replacements on the
shelf, and googling has only turned up scooter retailers, who are
charging $23-$37 each, which seems a little steep (captive market, I
guess)...
so, anyone know a good source for drive belts? ideally, I'd love to get
some kind of super kevlar ultra-blasto thing, but even a plain old
Optibelt would be good at a realistic price (or am I being a jerk?
these things can't REALLY cost that much, can they?)
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Wow I didn't figure it would go that high. But I see Zapworld was
trying to snipe too. Makes me like them even less.
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There is another Sunrise body on eBay with some molds at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Solectria-Sunrise-All-Composite-EV-Car-Bo
dy_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ36475QQitemZ8003377040QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZW
DVW
Noel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Shawn Rutledge
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:25 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: We got the Sunrise !!!
Wow I didn't figure it would go that high. But I see Zapworld was
trying to snipe too. Makes me like them even less.
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Mark,
The best motorcycle for a conversion I believe would be a chain
driven bike of 750CC or more. That will give you the drive setup most
easily converted plus a frame big enough to hold the batteries. A 750cc
bike will also have large enough brakes to handle the weight of the
conversion. If you are interested in a motor, controller, and motorcycle
pot box there is one for sale right now on AustinEV.
http://www.austinev.org/evtradinpost/index.php?method=showdetails&list=adver
tisement&rollid=612&fromfromlist=classifiedscategory&fromfrommethod=showhtml
list&fromfromid=12
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From: Mark Dodrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:29 AM
To: EV List
Subject: Advice on getting motocycle glider for an EV
Hello all. I want to get myself into another EV, and I think the best one
for me at this time is a motorcycle. I just discovered Craig's list for
Seattle (wow, it's cool!), and it looks like I might be able to barter/trade
to get a glider, with relative ease. The weather is about to go bad until
spring, so this gives me time to complete the project before next year. My
goal is to have a daily commuter (13 miles each way, may be able to charge
at work) that I would probably ride only in good weather, floodeds or AGMs
probably, must go 40mph (freeway capable nice but not required), 48-72 volts
I think, probably contactor controller at first then move to Altrax, motor
TBD.
I would appreciate any advice on what to look for in my search. These are
the things I can think of:
* Clear title
* Working brakes
* Working electrical
* Little if any rust/dents
* Transmission type (not sure what is best or if it matters)
* Larger frame is better (for space for batteries and motor)
* Specific manufacturer? (not familiar with motocycles at all)
* Other?
Thanks in advance for your help.
--
Mark
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You may be able to incorporate some ideas from this fellow. He uses
separate strings and swaps them in or out with a computer-controlled mosfet
controller, acting like a really fast (kHz) contactor controller rather than
PWM. The device monitors each string and drops out the lowest voltage
string and swaps in the highest-voltage resting string on the fly to ensure
even discharge, and adds or takes aways strings based on throttle position.
See http://www.redrok.com/ev.htm#batpack (towards the bottom).
MOSFET modules that can handle 200V and 580 amps cost $281 for a three-pack.
See http://www.ixys.com/l410.pdf for the data sheet. I lost the link for
the vendor, but you could probably find a dealer through the manufacturer.
-Tim S.
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From: "Tom Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:54 AM
Subject: Ev state of charge display?
> hi people
> I have been thinking about this for a while after
> seeing all the posts on yhe problems with metering the
> state of charge of a ev battery pack.
>
> I wonder if, other than the added cost, if a 1/4 split
> battery pack might give a more secure feeling to the
> driver... arrange your pack into say... 4 30ah packs
> (I know ... smaller batteries and more connections)
> and have a shifter and display indicating full charge
> for each which switches off when used up to 80%
> discharge ... then shift to the next... you'd end up
> with 3 rested packs to allow a small reserve capicity.
>
> any of you have any thoughts on this scheme? am I
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I got my S-10 back together after replacing some poor wiring, the motor,
dc/dc converter and the batteries.
I was taking it for the second test drive when bang. After getting over to
the side of the road I discovered one of the batteries had blown up. (I have
pictures if you're interested)
The battery that blew is a Trojan 6 volt, part of a 120 volt pack, the last
in the string of the smaller rack, fused, with an aluminum connection to the
steel connection to the fuse. The post melted and so did part of the cap.
While taking my $65, the guy at the battery place told me that the cause was
a bad connection.
Assuming that I tightened the connection down to the post, I am wondering if
the post got hot cause of the fuse (the fuse did not blow) or maybe the
aluminum connection to the steel connection to the fuse or maybe the long
lead to the other rack. I'm thinking of making up a new cable and skipping
the fuse.
Any comments would be helpful.
Thanks
Joe
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Are you _absolutely_ certain that there was water in
the batteries to the proper level? My understanding
is that this is the most common reason for batteries
to explode.
Your fuse is not the reason; make sure it's wired in
at all times.
--- ohnojoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I got my S-10 back together after replacing some
> poor wiring, the motor,
> dc/dc converter and the batteries.
>
> I was taking it for the second test drive when bang.
> After getting over to
> the side of the road I discovered one of the
> batteries had blown up. (I have
> pictures if you're interested)
>
> The battery that blew is a Trojan 6 volt, part of a
> 120 volt pack, the last
> in the string of the smaller rack, fused, with an
> aluminum connection to the
> steel connection to the fuse. The post melted and
> so did part of the cap.
>
> While taking my $65, the guy at the battery place
> told me that the cause was
> a bad connection.
>
> Assuming that I tightened the connection down to the
> post, I am wondering if
> the post got hot cause of the fuse (the fuse did not
> blow) or maybe the
> aluminum connection to the steel connection to the
> fuse or maybe the long
> lead to the other rack. I'm thinking of making up a
> new cable and skipping
> the fuse.
>
> Any comments would be helpful.
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe
>
>
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Jerry
I have been pondering something, and I was wondering if you know the
wheelbase and track of the Sunrise. I was thinking that if it would come
close to fitting, it might sit on a small truck frame. Heavy duty load
capacity, plus better aero. Thank you.
David C. Wilker Jr.
USAF (RET)
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over thee. I monitor thy righteous ways. Thy levels art mine to command.
When thou art in trouble, I will help thee through distorted times. When
thou art low, the touch of my hand shall raise thy spirit to the proper
level. When thou are too high, I shall terminate thee with a swift stroke of
my sword. When thy wires are frayed and broken, my angels shall use solder
and iron to heal thee. Thou art the circuit, I am the chosen one, I am the
TECH CONTROLLER!"
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From: "jerry dycus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 8:07 PM
Subject: We got the Sunrise !!!
Hi All,
Bob Rice and I with the help of others on this and other
lists just won the body of the Selectria Sunrise at E bay auction and
James Worden has given permission to make more Sunrises from it !!!
So the early plan is to make a mold from it and start making
some of them though will probably take a yr to get the first one going.
Most of the work has already been done on the hard part, finding all those
little parts needed to finish the EV.
All and All, a great day for EV's !!!
Thanks again to those who helped make
this happen, especially Bob Rice, Lee Hart and Keith VanSickle.
Yeah Team !!
Jerry Dycus
PS, we just barely beat Zap from getting it most likely from
the bid name.
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I will make the following post as politely as possible so as to not offend
some of the more sensitive readers. David, you quote me as saying: "And I
want it to stay exclusive." in your following statement which I cut and
paste from your own words: I guess I got the "reclassify cars due to
opinions" part in good measure from your statement "And I want it to stay
exclusive."
Please show me and the viewing public where this appears in my post. I
will even give you one better. Show me where this appears in any post I have
made since I joined this list years ago. In fact, show me where I have even
used the word exclusive in a post. Enough said.
NOTE: David's questions concerning the publicized and available
classification of "Gone Postal" have been answered off line.
Roderick Wilde
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Which Nedra class? Last posting
You are insulted? Now thats irony. Maybe you should read what I posted VS
what you posted. Calling me "Mr. Nedra expert" when all I was asking for
was
some clarification of the rules and stating my reasons and concerns for
wanting them? From the person that is supposed to be THE NEDRA EXPERT, the
President of NEDRA? And lets not forget the "armchair quarterback"
comment?
I don't remember ever criticizing NEDRA or the work that the association
does. A little stale isn't it? If NEDRA is such a thankless job, let
someone
else do it. Or let it die. But don't trot that crap out everytime someone
says anything that seems to question something you say or do.
I guess I got the "reclassify cars due to opinions" part in good measure
from your statement "And I want it to stay exclusive." Note the "I" there.
Kinda bothers me when someone in your position says something like that.
Especially when there is an admitted lack of printed or posted guidlines.
That and the fact that you and Bill have never addressed the
classification
clarification questions posed to you by myself over the last year or
Dennis's recent one. Oh yes, Bill addressed it I guess. Or even my very
reasonable and innocent question as to what class GP runs in (to try and
find a yardstick to measure with) Great spin doctoring Rod, LOL. I guess I
shouldn't expect a Xmas card this year huh :-)? David Chapman.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Which Nedra class?
I find your post extremely insulting! David, what part of left field are
you
coming from? There was no mention in my post of NEDRA reclassifying cars
because of someone's "opinion" as you state. How did you interpret that
from
my post? When we initially made the classes we did the best we could with
the knowledge we had at the time. The NHRA has gone through many changes.
Bracket racing did not start in 1953 at the inception of the NHRA. It
came
much later when the competition was so stiff that it would cost you an
additional ten grand for a tenth of a second. You further state: "Yes
NHRA
from time to time revisits rules and adjusts them as they see fit, but
from
what they have told me they do not do this lightly or often." The last
major
rule change that I can think of that the NHRA did was to allow electric
cars
and motorcycles to race on NHRA tracks. Until 1999 the rule book stated
that
you must have an internal combustion engine. Bill Dube and myself lobbied
the NHRA on behalf of NEDRA and got that rule changed to allow electric
motorcycles and electric cars. Dennis Berube personally got a battery
rule
changed in the NHRA rule book just for his own vehicle. So tell me Mr.
NEDRA
expert, when was the last time NEDRA made any major rule changes? The
only
ones I can think of off the top of my head were when we decided to align
ourselves with the NHRA rules. This brought about dropping go carts and
class 64 vehicles due to NHRA safety regulations. It was not brought
about
by "opinions" or any prejudice toward any particular vehicle or person,
period.You also stated: "Just because a car "pushes the envelope" of a
class
doesn't automatically make it something to be looked down upon." What
recesses of your mind did you pull this one from. I stated I would love
to
see Dennis or anyone else push the envelope of EV drag racing. Where did
you
get this "looked down upon" attitude. This is pure BS. I have always been
pro EV performance and everyone on this list who's been here for a while
knows that.
You further state: "For instance I firmly believe that Johns Datsun is
a
no problem SC. Even tho I can't remember a single Datsun coming out with
a
Ford 9" and a spool." You know you got me on this one. I can't remember a
single Datsun coming out with a Zilla and two Warp 8" motors either. whod
a
thunk it!
You ask: "Anyway, I guess I am in a quandry now too. What is the
concise
definition of SC and MC? And the differances between the two?" This is a
valid question and I will admit that the NEDRA site does not go into more
detail than street Conversions (SC) are street legal and Modified
Conversions (MC) are not due to things like wrinkle wall slicks that
aren't
DOT approved. I agree with you that we need to clarify these rules but
you
also make the point that if we do we will be perceived as trying to
"reclassify cars due to opinions". Actually the NEDRA board has recently
been discussing making the class rules clearer. NEDRA is an all volunteer
organization and it is easy for all the sideline quarterbacks to
criticize
when a few are doing all the thankless work.
Roderick Wilde
NEDRA President
PS: I first brought up the XS class over three or four years ago when
thinking of building an all out plastic street bodied, tube chassis,
ultra
lightweight multi motored electric. I brought it up because I thought it
would not be fair for me to run against MC cars. The purpose of having
classes is to try to make the playing field more fair for all the
participants.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: Which Nedra class?
> Rod,
> If you or NEDRA are going to "interpret" the class that a car fits into
on
> a
> case by case basis, you are going to kill the incentive to build new
cars
> or
> to run under NEDRA sanction. We need hard and fast rules that we can
build
> cars to so we have the confidence that when we are ready to run that it
> won't be reclassified because of someones "opinion". Just because a
> car
> "pushes the envelope" of a class doesn't automatically make it
> something
> to
> be looked down upon. Isn't pushing the envelope what leads to new
> developments? Yes NHRA from time to time revisits rules and adjusts
> them
> as
> they see fit, but from what they have told me they do not do this
lightly
> or
> often. I have seen cars around Phx like your gutted Chevy driving to
> the
> soda fountain, out to dinner etc. Not particularly comfortable or
> practical
> but street legal they are. And they are most definately street legal.
The
> Police make damn sure of that, LOL. IMHO, if its got a vin# and a
current
> licence plate and registration, it is steet legal. And as far as I can
> tell,
> that is NEDRAs current defination of SC. Please correct me if I am
wrong.
> For instance I firmly believe that Johns Datsun is a no problem SC.
> Even
> tho
> I can't remember a single Datsun coming out with a Ford 9" and a spool.
> Even if he wants to run wheelie bars, take out some of the upholstry or
> tub
> it so he can run slicks if he wants to. He can always run street tires
for
> the races that require it, or for jaunts down to the soda fountain.
> BTW,
I
> am sorry but I cannot remember, what class does "Postal" run in? I am
not
> trying to be a smartass, I just havn't noticed and didn't see it on the
> NEDRA site anywhere.
>
> Anyway, I guess I am in a quandry now too. What is the concise
definition
> of
> SC and MC? And the differances between the two? This is pretty much
> what
> Dennis was trying to ascertain and what I was looking for over a year
ago
> when I asked about a Citicar that I was thinking of running. And so far
as
> I
> can tell neither of us has gotten an answer yet that we can use.
>
> David Chapman.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Which Nedra class?
>
>
>> Rich Rudman said: "And Dennis is trying to make a Street legal truck
Both
>> NEDRA and Madman's100 compliant."
>>
>> I am assuming Rich that you are referring to your own ethereal 100 mph
> club.
>> I really don't believe Dennis's truck would fall into your original
> intended
>> rules for your 100 mph club. On May 16th of 2004 you posted to the
list:
>>
>> The point is TO HAVE A daily driver, that is 100 mph capable on the
>> strip.
>> It's one of the hardest things to do. And I want it to stay exclusive.
> Light
>> dragsters, and tube frame Evs, should do it no problem. Doing it with
>> a
>> commuter and lead powered is Haaarrrd!! The point of any street Rod is
> drive
>> to the soda fountain, or for some dinner, then have fun on the way
home.
>>
>> Dennis Berube wrote:
>>
>> If a person had a pro street truck(NHRA)tube frame, fiber body
>> fitted
> in
>> such a way as to be totaly street legal and driven on the street with
>> a
> lic.
>> and insurance which class would it belong to in nedra?
>>
>> A vehicle built like this has been discussed at NEDRA board meetings
> before.
>> The idea I had was for a class called Xtreme Street which would have
the
>> designation XS. So if you were a high voltage car you would be XS/A
When
>> I
>> went to the Wayland Invitational Saturday Night Street Legal Drags at
PIR
> I
>> was parked next to a fully gutted chevy that was tubbed and had 14"
wide
>> wrinkle walls with grooves to make them street legal. It ran wheelie
bars
>> and turned 9 second ETs. This may be the NHRA version of a street
>> legal
> car
>> but I believe NEDRA might look at it differently. We made the modified
>> conversion category to handle cars that were beyond daily drivers. At
>> that
>> time no one had put the money and time to build a vehicle such as
Dennis
>> describes except for "The Ghia Monster" www.ghiamonster.com which is
>> currently still under construction. I personally would love to see
Dennis
> or
>> anyone else build a car like this to push the EV envelope and the EV
>> movement. I am sure that a category for these vehicles will be
>> established
>> by NEDRA at some point. It is great to see the interest in EV drag
racing
>> growing.
>>
>> Roderick wilde
>> NEDRA President
>>
>>
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