EV Digest 4764
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Question on Heibao EV
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) ThunderSky Self-Discharge
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: S/P motor, was: RE: White Zombie...
by "Andre' Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: World Solar Challenge
by "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: World Solar Challenge
by Keith Richtman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: battery explosion
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: Ev state of charge display?
by Carl Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) PIR 100 mph Club
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: We got the Sunrise !!!
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: White Zombie Electrifies PIR ...12.424 @ 103.57 mph!
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: World Solar Challenge
by Meta Bus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: We got the Sunrise !!!
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: World Solar Challenge, Stuff
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Question on Heibao EV, comments
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: We got the Sunrise !!!
by Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Which Nedra class? Last posting .......Comments
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Question on Heibao EV
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: We got the Sunrise !!!
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: A new Sunrise on eBay
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: We got the Sunrise !!!
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Chargers at Oct.7 auction in Phoenix FYI
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: A new Sunrise on eBay
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: A new Sunrise on eBay
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Which Nedra class? Last posting .......Comments
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Try putting a 12V flip-flop MC14013 on the speed sensor so it thinks it's
going 1/2 speed. That's what I'm doing on my bombardier with a similar
problem.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Persky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 7:15 PM
Subject: Question on Heibao EV
> I just purchased a used Heibao EV (from ZAP, in Santa Rosa CA) and need
> to remove the governor so it goes over 25. Anyone
> have a clue on this? Anyone have experience with this vehicle? I'm new
> to EVs, (48 hours)
>
>
>
>
> thanks
> jim
>
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When ThunderSky cells have been self-discharging for a few months and are at
different voltages, can you tell which cells are the strongest and weakest
based on which have discharged the most? If so, is it the weakest cells
that discharge the fastest, or the strongest ones?
Thanks.
Bill Dennis
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At 09:47 PM 9/26/2005, you wrote:
You can split and pair field coils up using 4 terminals per coil set
instead of just two. These can be used to run the motor in either series
or series parallel. Prestolite shows this type of two speed motor set up
with a differance in amps and RPMs of around 25%. An example for a high
speed / low speed test is 30 amps @ 3000 RPM series and a jump to 40 amps
@ 4000 RPM for a series parallel connection. Father time told me he has
tried to use this on a race bike with little difference in times, but I
think there is much still to be learned and or experimented with on this
type of set-up. Father times motors he used on his Lazy-boy chair would
be a good candidate to plumb the coils to operate both ways, as I believe
they are wound series OEM, and they have alot of coil turns.
Anyway just one more item I've got on my list of things to do. I do see
this as something an EM would benefit from more so that a full car, as in
the latter just install a bigger motor. For those who are having trouble
getting better top end speed and their RP M's are not in the danger zone
then less field coils would mean higher speeds.
Hope this helps
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
Or if you wanted to go all the way you could bring all eight ends of the
four field coils out and then you could have a three stage setup. First
all four coils in series, second a series connection of two parallel sets,
third all four coils in parallel. And it is just possible that you could
gain a little more then you lose in all the contactors.:)
__________
Andre' B. Clear Lake, Wi.
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Ryan Stotts asked:
> Or are these solar cells providing the sole power to the motor?
No. They typically carry LiPo or LiIon battery arrays.
But it costs in weight and volume to carry batteries.
And so there's a tradeoff---carry enough for load leveling, handling of
periods of poor insolation and then there's the allowed sunrise solar
charging by pointing the array at the sun and charging the batteries before
the morning race start time----same deal at the end of each day. So
batteries are important, but again, it's a tradeoff.
> What is the future of the solar cars anyways?
They're asking themselves that question---check out the Solar-Raycing forum
archives on Yahoo to hear such self reflection...there've been a couple
threads recently on what does it all mean and why is this important. This
year's American Solar Challenge had the top two teams (UofMI and Rolla) with
643# and 542# weight traveling at speeds of 95 and 90mph, respectively
during the several day race. If nothing else, the integration of
technologies which directly relate to what us practical EVers should be of
high interest to many of us. For top performance, they must seek the
highest efficiency in motors, batteries, controllers and solar cells as well
as optimizing aerodynamic drag, strength/weight, LRR tires, MPPT trackers,
materials, optimal control and a zillion other factors.
Simply the knowledge and experience gained in how to build a lightweight,
rigid aerodynamic encapsulated solar panel with high efficiency cells with
bypass diodes and ultra high performance MPPT trackers makes what these guys
are doing very important to me----but then, I want to make my own solar
bimini for my E-boat and have lots of surface area available for panels.
> Will anyone on this list ever drive to work in one?
Probably not, but I ask this: why are so few EVers at all interested in
integrating solar arrays into the bodies, or at least the roof, of their car
conversions?
I've seen only a few attempts, and these usually consist of 1-4 slapped-on
commercial solar panels---nothing approaching high tech and very lame. You
put so much into getting your cars converted to make an EV, then on the
road, it just looks like any other car. Then you realize that few people
notice that you're driving an EV, and then what do ya'all do? You get a
custom license plate or bumper stickers or you hang a charger pigtail out
the back and to try to emphasize that "hey, this is an electric". Good for
you.
But why stop there? The Solar Rayce teams have shown us the way to do
better and get the looks from the spectators. And guess what? You all
laugh.
Why not instead of laughing take that boring roofline and make an integrated
solar array out of it?
Making a custom integrated solar panel is not easy, but it's not total
rocket science either.
But think of the looks your EV will get! And you won't need that "180V EV"
custom plate to suggest to folks that your car is electric. They'll get it
in an instant.
And then what?
You won't need to buy one of those solar EVs...you'll have one.
You also won't need so much plug-in power at work either!
But don't do it for performance: you'd be lucky to get 500watts out of high
efficiency cells on even a large car top. At 15kw, that's only 2minutes
worth of juice.
Do it for the looks.
Do it for the enjoyment and challenge.
And do it for the free solar recharging and free EV advertising while at
work: 500watts*5 solar hours: 2.5kwh/day----that's good for 10 miles of
driving at 250wh/mile.
Sorry, but plugging the car in or having a license plate that says "EV4ME"
won't get the looks like a professional quality integrated solar roof will.
So don't ask: "Will anyone on this list ever drive to work in one?"
Rather, ask: Will anyone on this list dare to make and adapt a high
efficiency integrated solar array to an EV?
Or this: With all the egos on this list, why hasn't anyone done this
already? Or is this road-EV community just into high power? [Many
practical E-boats have long gone to solar---I'm slacking with mine]
Today's top solar race teams are integrating 23-28% efficient cells in their
solar panels.
Their panels generate in the 1kw range.
One such panel would push my boat at 4knots---That gets me pretty excited.
Go solar-
-Myles Twete, Portland, Or.
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This is entirely the wrong forum to debate the practicality of solar
raycers, but I do have to correct your numbers. The top two teams in
this year's NORTH American Solar Challenge from Austin, TX to Calgary,
AB were the University of Michigan (1st) and the University of Minnesota
(2nd). Neither car exceeded the race imposed speed limit of 65 mph (105
kph) (at least not w/o penalty). The World Solar Challenge currently
taking place in Australia does not enforce a speed limit and top teams
are running 100-115 kph (62-71 mph). Additionally, the weights you
quoted are including a ballasted 80 kg (176 lb) driver.
Keith
Myles Twete wrote:
<snip>
> This
year's American Solar Challenge had the top two teams (UofMI and Rolla) with
643# and 542# weight traveling at speeds of 95 and 90mph, respectively
during the several day race.
> <snip>
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This is normally cause by a connection that shrink back after a first run of
newly install battery connections. This happen to me once over 25 years ago and
I learn from now on to check and recheck new connections after one mile run.
Yes, I miss one connection, I did not torque. I tighten first with a insulated
ratchet, but I skip over that one when I torque them with a insulated inch lb.
torque wrench.
A technical collage in my area had a post melted off, but with no explosion.
They had floor sweeper batteries that uses a bolt thru connection that keep
melting the post flat. They only hand tighten them.
We have become too used to just hand tighten are 12 volt ICE batteries and let
it go for five years with out looking at it.
When you install a new set of batteries and/or new connections, find out what
the recommended torque of the battery connection to be.
My Trojan T-145's which are a stud type pad recommends 95 to 105 inch lbs.
Other Trojan post type connections are from 65 to 75 inch lbs.
The stud type connection is a poor connection that does not allow enough
contact area. So I install a larger heavy duty post and wrap around post
connection.
The 95 to 105 inch lbs stud type, cause too much shrink back of the lead
surface to the terminal lug and cause the stud to pull out, making it lose and
than increase resistance, heat, and than melting.
If I have torque new connections several days ago, but did not run the EV yet,
I double check the torque again the day I will do my first test run. I find
that batteries seating several days without running, the connection torque will
lose 5 to 10 inch lbs using the stud type and about 1 to 5 inch lbs using the
standard brass post connector.
If you are a lone person doing this work, than you have to verified yourself or
check your work out. If there is two persons on a project, one person does
the work, and a second person checks you work. This is a normal practice in
electrical installation in a factory and field work where one co-worker will
recheck the work and than a quality control inspector check the work, plus
check again by another inspector.
I than make a 2 mile run, which is my first daily run making four stops. I
than will re-torque the battery connectors again. After 5 mile run, recheck
them, and after 10 mile run, recheck them again.
You will fine that the lead contact area will lose torque cause by shrink back
about every time.
You will notice that the torque value will loss very little after several runs.
Than you do a terminal torque test every two weeks or even once a month, if you
do normal driving under 100 amps, sooner if you doing a lot of over 100 amps.
If you do drag racing, than the connections should be check after each run.
I am now using very heavy duty plated brass post connections, the inside
diameter of the post connection are 7/8 inch diameter that can be spread to
about 1-inch. I used the same size for the positive and negative post.
I install the larger post myself using a large heavy duty post molds and a very
hard battery lead.
Roland
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From: ohnojoe<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu<mailto:ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:32 AM
Subject: battery explosion
I got my S-10 back together after replacing some poor wiring, the motor,
dc/dc converter and the batteries.
I was taking it for the second test drive when bang. After getting over to
the side of the road I discovered one of the batteries had blown up. (I have
pictures if you're interested)
The battery that blew is a Trojan 6 volt, part of a 120 volt pack, the last
in the string of the smaller rack, fused, with an aluminum connection to the
steel connection to the fuse. The post melted and so did part of the cap.
While taking my $65, the guy at the battery place told me that the cause was
a bad connection.
Assuming that I tightened the connection down to the post, I am wondering if
the post got hot cause of the fuse (the fuse did not blow) or maybe the
aluminum connection to the steel connection to the fuse or maybe the long
lead to the other rack. I'm thinking of making up a new cable and skipping
the fuse.
Any comments would be helpful.
Thanks
Joe
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Tom,
As I understand your post, you are proposing draining each sub pack
individually. Batteries deliver their rated capacity at a specified discharge
rate, and deliver increasingly less at higher discharge rates. Consequently
the sub-pack strategy means much higher discharge rates for each sub-pack and
much lower capacity. You would have a better idea what you've got left "in the
tank" but overall your range and battery life would suffer considerably.
Bottom line, if you've got 'em on board, you should let 'em share the work.
Carl Clifford
Denver
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:54:49 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Tom Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Ev state of charge display?
>To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
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>hi people
>I have been thinking about this for a while after
>seeing all the posts on yhe problems with metering the
>state of charge of a ev battery pack.
>I wonder if, other than the added cost, if a 1/4 split
>battery pack might give a more secure feeling to the
>driver... arrange your pack into say... 4 30ah packs
>(I know ... smaller batteries and more connections)
>and have a shifter and display indicating full charge
>for each which switches off when used up to 80%
>discharge ... then shift to the next... you'd end up
>with 3 rested packs to allow a small reserve capicity.
>any of you have any thoughts on this scheme? am I
>completely out to lunch?
>Tom
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Hello to All,
Roderick Wilde wrote:
Hi John, Could you please elaborate on this. I was not aware that the
gas guys had a 100 mph club. Please tell all you know about this. You
said: "The track officials were so pumped, they took pictures of Tim
and I in front of the car and handed us a couple more 100 mph club
stickers for the car."
Last year to the EVDL, I wrote about PIR's 100 mph club and how I was
presented with my 100 mph stickers when against a 375 hp Camaro, the
240V version of White Zombie cracked the 100 mph barrier for the first
time. That post told of how the Camaro guy was just shaking his head in
disbelief of how he got beat by a 'battery powered Datsun'. As the two
of us were talking about how we had both broken over 100 mph for the
first time, track officials approached us with their hands out to
congratulate us and hand us the cool stickers. That was the first time I
was made aware of the 100 mph Club.
PIR gives everyone a 100 mph club sticker when they break over 100 mph
for the first time at their track. They gave me two new stickers last
weekend, only because I admitted to misplacing the original ones they
gave me in '04. I told them I wanted to adorn the Zombie with
them....as if this car needs any more stickers!
Rod, keep up the hard work on GP and break into and over 100 mph here in
Portland, and they'll hand you your own stickers to welcome you into the
PIR 100 mph club.
See Ya......John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
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Hi Dave and All,
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jerry
I have been pondering something, and I was wondering if you know the
wheelbase and track of the Sunrise. I was thinking that if it would come
close to fitting, it might sit on a small truck frame. Heavy duty load
capacity, plus better aero. Thank you.
It has a built in composite frame and built like the most expensive
Ferrari, F1 cars with the suspension bolted to it. And these are completely
engineered cars with most parts already specified so will use them as they have
worked quite well getting under 100wthrs/mile at highway speeds. also with the
all up weight under 2,000 lbs, a heavier suspension is not needed.
A truck frame would just add weight though one body on one would
greatly improve it's aero as a truck.
David C. Wilker Jr.
USAF (RET)
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Yahoo! for Good
Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
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From: "toltec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:08 AM
Subject: Re: White Zombie Electrifies PIR ...12.424 @ 103.57 mph!
> > [...]
> > 7th run, exactly 0:00 am....As a tribute to the electric car's great
> > night, the track allowed us the final run of the night. Tim pulled off a
> > 12.575 @ 104.85 mph...just .15 seconds away from 105 mph! This was the
> > fastest trap speed ever for White Zombie.
>
> AWESOME!!!
>
YEEEEEHHAAAA! Going for a buck 110, stay out of Valet mode for these.
AND you drove 'er home after? No Zorched motors, Right? Jim<g>! It's been a
great day for EV's .Sunrise will rise again. Hmmm Siamese Motor racing
Sunrise hits the track, in 2007 Oh, If I had Osamas' money. Jim could
Simonize a pair of 9's or God forbid 11's. Acela like power for racing.
Would hafta pour the floors full of concrete to get it to stick to the
trak<g>!
Seeya
Bob
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Hi Myles (via sunlight, somedaze)--
I have been inquiring after solar panels for several months, planning my
solar-electric RV. I have a system design plan and allocated funds, and
my design falls into that "very lame" category, using "commercial"
panels mounted to an existing roof. I currently plan on 14 Sanyo HIT 190
(16% efficiency) panels, using every square inch of my REV's roof.
Regarding the challenges you laid out--
1) I've discovered in my research that even the so-called "commercial"
panels are difficult to get. I have written to several online merchants,
and all but one have ignored my mail. I am at the point where I will
probably invent a business entity to gain distributor access, just so I
can get in the queue for panels. With a planned purchase of about $12K
(for four 4-packs, as the Sanyos come), and the cash available, I am
stymied in my efforts. Lead times and waiting lists make it difficult,
and finding stock is an ongoing effort. Until people can waltz into
WalMart and browse the solar aisle, I am afraid clean & free energy will
take dirty and expensive work on the part of early-adopters.
2) The 23-28% efficiency you cite is a saliva-producer. But I know those
cells are both prohibitively expensive as well as hard-to-get.
University teams with research grants and free post-grad labor make for
very poor trickle-down economics. EVer's already face plenty of
obstacles in obtaining SOTA motors and controllers, because so many of
the mfr's (abbreviation is decoded two ways) won't deal with an individual.
So, to invert your challenge, can you provide the list with a practical
plan for integrating solar into EV designs-- beginning with a source of
those university-research-level solar cells, or even a consistent and
reliable supplier of those lame commercial panels?
Or, how about implementing your bimini and then coming back and sharing
the details of your accomplishment (including where and how you got your
cells, how long it took, how much you paid, etc)?
Because I agree, to an extent, that the integration of solar into an EV
is a natural mix (like peanut butter and chocolate!), but the grid is
everywhere, and the alternative solar is currently (too many puns) more
expensive and harder to obtain than truffles.
Stocking up on Reese's cups for my future LSD trip,
Jim Davis
Myles Twete wrote:
Ryan Stotts asked:
Will anyone on this list ever drive to work in one?
Probably not, but I ask this: why are so few EVers at all interested in
integrating solar arrays into the bodies, or at least the roof, of their car
conversions?
I've seen only a few attempts, and these usually consist of 1-4 slapped-on
commercial solar panels---nothing approaching high tech and very lame. You
put so much into getting your cars converted to make an EV, then on the
road, it just looks like any other car. Then you realize that few people
notice that you're driving an EV, and then what do ya'all do? You get a
custom license plate or bumper stickers or you hang a charger pigtail out
the back and to try to emphasize that "hey, this is an electric". Good for
you.
But why stop there? The Solar Rayce teams have shown us the way to do
better and get the looks from the spectators. And guess what? You all
laugh.
Why not instead of laughing take that boring roofline and make an integrated
solar array out of it?
Making a custom integrated solar panel is not easy, but it's not total
rocket science either.
But think of the looks your EV will get! And you won't need that "180V EV"
custom plate to suggest to folks that your car is electric. They'll get it
in an instant.
And then what?
You won't need to buy one of those solar EVs...you'll have one.
You also won't need so much plug-in power at work either!
But don't do it for performance: you'd be lucky to get 500watts out of high
efficiency cells on even a large car top. At 15kw, that's only 2minutes
worth of juice.
Do it for the looks.
Do it for the enjoyment and challenge.
And do it for the free solar recharging and free EV advertising while at
work: 500watts*5 solar hours: 2.5kwh/day----that's good for 10 miles of
driving at 250wh/mile.
Sorry, but plugging the car in or having a license plate that says "EV4ME"
won't get the looks like a professional quality integrated solar roof will.
So don't ask: "Will anyone on this list ever drive to work in one?"
Rather, ask: Will anyone on this list dare to make and adapt a high
efficiency integrated solar array to an EV?
Or this: With all the egos on this list, why hasn't anyone done this
already? Or is this road-EV community just into high power? [Many
practical E-boats have long gone to solar---I'm slacking with mine]
Today's top solar race teams are integrating 23-28% efficient cells in their
solar panels.
Their panels generate in the 1kw range.
One such panel would push my boat at 4knots---That gets me pretty excited.
Go solar-
-Myles Twete, Portland, Or.
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Jerry
Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware it was a uni-body (Pioneered by
Lincoln Zephyr in 1939, by the way). As I said, it was just a random
thought.
David C. Wilker Jr.
USAF (RET)
"I live in the heavens. I reside on mountain tops. I am at constant vigil
over thee. I monitor thy righteous ways. Thy levels art mine to command.
When thou art in trouble, I will help thee through distorted times. When
thou art low, the touch of my hand shall raise thy spirit to the proper
level. When thou are too high, I shall terminate thee with a swift stroke of
my sword. When thy wires are frayed and broken, my angels shall use solder
and iron to heal thee. Thou art the circuit, I am the chosen one, I am the
TECH CONTROLLER!"
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerry dycus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: We got the Sunrise !!!
Hi Dave and All,
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jerry
I have been pondering something, and I was wondering if you know the
wheelbase and track of the Sunrise. I was thinking that if it would come
close to fitting, it might sit on a small truck frame. Heavy duty load
capacity, plus better aero. Thank you.
It has a built in composite frame and built like the most
expensive Ferrari, F1 cars with the suspension bolted to it. And these are
completely engineered cars with most parts already specified so will use
them as they have worked quite well getting under 100wthrs/mile at highway
speeds. also with the all up weight under 2,000 lbs, a heavier suspension
is not needed.
A truck frame would just add weight though one body on one would
greatly improve it's aero as a truck.
David C. Wilker Jr.
USAF (RET)
---------------------------------
Yahoo! for Good
Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
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From: "Keith Richtman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: World Solar Challenge
> This is entirely the wrong forum to debate the practicality of solar
> raycers,
But they ARE Electrics? Right? They arent Fool Cell , steam, or Diseasel.
Their Tech will fit in here, I think.
but I do have to correct your numbers. The top two teams in
> this year's NORTH American Solar Challenge from Austin, TX to Calgary,
> AB were the University of Michigan (1st) and the University of Minnesota
> (2nd). Neither car exceeded the race imposed speed limit of 65 mph (105
> kph) (at least not w/o penalty). The World Solar Challenge currently
> taking place in Australia does not enforce a speed limit and top teams
> are running 100-115 kph (62-71 mph). Additionally, the weights you
> quoted are including a ballasted 80 kg (176 lb) driver.
>
> Keith
>
> Myles Twete wrote:
> > <snip>
> > This
> > year's American Solar Challenge had the top two teams (UofMI and Rolla)
with
> > 643# and 542# weight traveling at speeds of 95 and 90mph, respectively
> > during the several day race.
> > <snip>
> Hi All;
90-95 MPH Gees THATS fast enough to get to the train, and catch it
again, if I'm late<g>! Racing, see, improves technology for sure. hope that
there will be tech specs forthcoming on line. No more slow electric 'roaches
anymore. But they hava way to go before they appear in town as 'Gofur" cars.
Seeya
Bob
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jim Persky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: Question on Heibao EV
> Try putting a 12V flip-flop MC14013 on the speed sensor so it thinks it's
> going 1/2 speed. That's what I'm doing on my bombardier with a similar
> problem.
> Mark
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Persky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 7:15 PM
> Subject: Question on Heibao EV
>
>
> > I just purchased a used Heibao EV (from ZAP, in Santa Rosa CA) and need
> > to remove the governor so it goes over 25. Anyone
> > have a clue on this? Anyone have experience with this vehicle? I'm new
> > to EVs, (48 hours)
> >
> >Hi Jim;
Yeah I drove a Hai Bao, Chinese for" Black Lepard" It wasn't black, it
was white. I went with the Chinese Guy from the home company. I drove it in
the streets of Burlington NJ which is scarry in ANYTHING smaller than a
tank, bus or Hummer!It isn't any fireball, but it cruised up to speed
briskly, I felt that if I stood on thre "Go" pedal, it woulda done better
than 35. It has nice electric windows, was done in early Boeing
upolustry,style, comments to that effect. Not dissing it, it was nicely put
together, had a front grill, to cool the " Parthanon" I call it, AC
controller, sorta LOOKS like the Parthonon, columns in front for convection
cooling. Nice touch, EVerything was so neat. Even John Wayland woulda givin
it 5 stars for neatness. You could open the hood and hose her down, if yoy
wished!After all with a grill, things are gunna get wet, so they thought of
that. The back opens so ya can throw the groceries in. Hell, what more would
you want in a " Gofur"??
Was so impressed that I signed on the Hai Bao Yahoo Group, THATS pretty
dead as I don't think much has been done with HB since that? Hope interest
revives and a easy controller tweek gets it street capable? We don't need
anymore NEVs giving EV's a poky image!
Hey ya asked, my two amps worth!
Seeya
Bob
> >
> >
> > thanks
> > jim
> >
>
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Jerry,
Congrats. It will take a lot of work to turn that body into a vehicle, but
it'll be a nice one when done.
Have you checked with Solectria/Azure to see if James Worden has the legal
right to grant you permission to make copies? Azure Dynamics still claims
the Solectria Sunrise on their web page:
http://www.solectria.com/products/accomp.html#sunrise
The first paragraph states: "The Solectria Sunrise all-composite,
pre-production prototype sedan is currently not in production and there are
no plans to put it into production at this time. However, rest assured that
the car will be commercialized if and when the conditions are right."
Ralph
jerry dycus writes:
>
>
> Hi All,
> Bob Rice and I with the help of others on this and other lists
> just won the body of the Selectria Sunrise at E bay auction and James Worden
> has given permission to make more Sunrises from it !!!
> So the early plan is to make a mold from it and start making
> some of them though will probably take a yr to get the first one going. Most
> of the work has already been done on the hard part, finding all those little
> parts needed to finish the EV.
> All and All, a great day for EV's !!!
> Thanks again to those who helped make
> this happen, especially Bob Rice, Lee Hart and Keith VanSickle.
> Yeah Team !!
> Jerry Dycus
> PS, we just barely beat Zap from getting it most likely from the
> bid name.
>
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: Which Nedra class? Last posting
> I will make the following post as politely as possible so as to not
offend
> some of the more sensitive readers.
Hi All;
Me too. as Rodney King sez" Can't we all get along" I think, that NEDRA
got us ON the NHRA track, allowing Electrics their rightful place to get out
there and kick ass with the gassers"What He doesn't have any Stinking
Pistons!" comes to mind. I feel that all the parties involved here Rod,
Dennis Bill, Dave could settle any differances over a good Mexican dinner at
the place JW takes us to in PDX. I would pay it to try to smooth things over
AND the drinks<g>Can't offer Airfare, though. Sigh!Sunrise is
rising<g>!$$$$$$$
We can't be bickering among ourselves here, we hafta have a united
front. hash out tech differances, I can't get into that because I don't know
what I'm talking about. I plead guilty here.
I go to EVents, hear the little kids say" Heres that Awesome Electric,
again" as Zombie blows the Vette away. <Maybe my tapes and cheapo 'camcorder
picked that up? Ahh! The wonder of it all! My thanks to NEDRA for making it
happen, Yeah? I think my membership ran out? But I'll be happy to
resubscribe. We have brough EV racing before Joe Sixpack's kids too and they
love it. Gees! Kids are our only hope as a nation, anyhow.
OK down from my soapbox, but I wanted to throw a relevent comment or too
out there.
Seeya
Bob
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Just in case nobody else points it out, it's illegal to make that vehicle
go faster than 25 mph.
You /might/ be able to modify it and then re-register it as a
"self-constructed" or possibly "modified" vehicle. IN which case it could
legally travel faster than 25 mph, as long as you don't register the *new*
vehicle as a LSV.
I'd reccomend checking with you local agency in charge of vehicle
registration (DMV, DOT or whatever they call it in your state)
> I just purchased a used Heibao EV (from ZAP, in Santa Rosa CA) and need
> to remove the governor so it goes over 25. Anyone
> have a clue on this? Anyone have experience with this vehicle? I'm new
> to EVs, (48 hours)
>
>
>
>
> thanks
> jim
>
>
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Hi Ralph,
Thanks for that though it really changes nothing except
using the Sunrise's name as it will ne modified for easier building, other
improvements anyway.
But is not what James said to me. I'll be asking him
shortly about it.
Thanks,
Jerry Dycus
Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jerry,
Congrats. It will take a lot of work to turn that body into a vehicle, but
it'll be a nice one when done.
Have you checked with Solectria/Azure to see if James Worden has the legal
right to grant you permission to make copies? Azure Dynamics still claims
the Solectria Sunrise on their web page:
http://www.solectria.com/products/accomp.html#sunrise
The first paragraph states: "The Solectria Sunrise all-composite,
pre-production prototype sedan is currently not in production and there are
no plans to put it into production at this time. However, rest assured that
the car will be commercialized if and when the conditions are right."
Ralph
jerry dycus writes:
>
>
> Hi All,
> Bob Rice and I with the help of others on this and other lists just won the
> body of the Selectria Sunrise at E bay auction and James Worden has given
> permission to make more Sunrises from it !!!
> So the early plan is to make a mold from it and start making some of them
> though will probably take a yr to get the first one going. Most of the work
> has already been done on the hard part, finding all those little parts needed
> to finish the EV.
> All and All, a great day for EV's !!!
> Thanks again to those who helped make this happen, especially Bob Rice, Lee
> Hart and Keith VanSickle.
> Yeah Team !!
> Jerry Dycus
> PS, we just barely beat Zap from getting it most likely from the bid name.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
>
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Hi Noel and All,
This is an earlier model that was never very good fit and
finish wise and the source of the comments before that they were badly done.
the one we have is the later, proffessionally done by real composite people. It
also is not structurally finished so you must or have someone who knows what
they are doing to make a viable EV from it.
HTH's,
Jerry Dycus
"Noel P. Luneau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There is another Sunrise body on eBay with some molds at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Solectria-Sunrise-All-Composite-EV-Car-Bo
dy_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ36475QQitemZ8003377040QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZW
DVW
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Shawn Rutledge
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:25 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: We got the Sunrise !!!
Wow I didn't figure it would go that high. But I see Zapworld was
trying to snipe too. Makes me like them even less.
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Hi Andrew!
Welcome back from Lerk!! Come out more often, the more the merrier! Maybe
I (we) can have a good part of getting EV's out there, to loving homes
across USA and the World. Gotta think globally here, as everybody has to
breathe, no matter what flaver.
Seeya
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: We got the Sunrise !!!
> out of lurc mode.... . Wow !fabulous! congrats! best news! made my day!
> yippie!!!great.great, great!!!
> Andrew Delano
>
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Just and FYI the Oct 8th listing are starting to post
for those interesed in this auction. No Chargers yet
but that is not unusual as they normally don't post
the "etc" equipment. You have to call for more
information per the website.
--- Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://wsmauctioneers.com/
>
> Good auction. Lots of fleet cars/trucks that work
> well and are 'cheap'. Lots of heavy equipment that
> seems to go for good money. I find the metal getting
> expensive, but since the price of fuel is getting
> high, I don't go up that often. Get there early for
> a good parking spot.
>
> Rush
> Tucson AZ
> www.ironandwood.org
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:25 PM
> Subject: RE: Chargers at Oct.7 auction in Phoenix
>
>
> > Got an IP address for the auction? I can't find
> it.
> >
> > Bill Dennis
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:45 PM
> > To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> > Subject: Re:Chargers at Oct.7 auction in Phoenix
> >
> > Western Sales auctions has at least 10 gould
> chargers ranging up to 200
> > volts
> > and 50 amps coming from APS.Probaly pennies on a
> dollar.
> >
> >
> Dennis Berube
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel P. Luneau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 3:46 AM
Subject: A new Sunrise on eBay
> There is another Sunrise body on eBay with some molds at:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Solectria-Sunrise-All-Composite-EV-Car-Bo
> dy_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ36475QQitemZ8003377040QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZW
> DVW
>
> Hi Noel ;
Whew! After the first one! I can't open the E bay thing on THIS one. Lys
there and goes" Duh" won't OPEN! Damn It! This one has extra molds? Gees!
Didn't think that there were THAT many bodies to be had? Will follow this
one, too.
OK may the bidding begin!
Seeya
Bob
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "jerry dycus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: A new Sunrise on eBay
> Hi Noel and All,
> This is an earlier model that was never very good fit
and finish wise and the source of the comments before that they were badly
done. the one we have is the later, proffessionally done by real composite
people. It also is not structurally finished so you must or have someone who
knows what they are doing to make a viable EV from it.
> HTH's,
> Jerry Dycus
> Hi Again;
Good we got the cream of the crop! So to speak!
Seeya
Bob
> "Noel P. Luneau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is another Sunrise body on eBay with some molds at:
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Hey Bob, Thanks for your thoughtful comments. As anyone who has met me in
person knows, I am very easy to get along with. Heck, Dennis was even a
guest of honor at my last wedding along with Ed Rannberg. Two top ampheads
in one place. It was awesome! The marriage was good also :-)
Roderick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: Which Nedra class? Last posting .......Comments
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: Which Nedra class? Last posting
I will make the following post as politely as possible so as to not
offend
some of the more sensitive readers.
Hi All;
Me too. as Rodney King sez" Can't we all get along" I think, that NEDRA
got us ON the NHRA track, allowing Electrics their rightful place to get
out
there and kick ass with the gassers"What He doesn't have any Stinking
Pistons!" comes to mind. I feel that all the parties involved here Rod,
Dennis Bill, Dave could settle any differances over a good Mexican dinner
at
the place JW takes us to in PDX. I would pay it to try to smooth things
over
AND the drinks<g>Can't offer Airfare, though. Sigh!Sunrise is
rising<g>!$$$$$$$
We can't be bickering among ourselves here, we hafta have a united
front. hash out tech differances, I can't get into that because I don't
know
what I'm talking about. I plead guilty here.
I go to EVents, hear the little kids say" Heres that Awesome Electric,
again" as Zombie blows the Vette away. <Maybe my tapes and cheapo
'camcorder
picked that up? Ahh! The wonder of it all! My thanks to NEDRA for making
it
happen, Yeah? I think my membership ran out? But I'll be happy to
resubscribe. We have brough EV racing before Joe Sixpack's kids too and
they
love it. Gees! Kids are our only hope as a nation, anyhow.
OK down from my soapbox, but I wanted to throw a relevent comment or too
out there.
Seeya
Bob
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