EV Digest 4820
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Challenging Drive
by "Mark Grasser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) R:Current Eliminator News Ranked 3rd in Az Super pro division.
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3) Re: R:Current Eliminator News Ranked 3rd in Az Super pro division.
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
4) Re: White Zombie to Attempt the 11's this Friday Night!
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) RE: Peanut Gallery
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Challenging Drive, feeling better
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Charging off peak vs Battery life
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) RE: Charging off peak vs Battery life
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) RE: Charging off peak vs Battery life
by Ricky Suiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Introduction
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
11) Re: rotary engine for generator
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: White Zombie to Attempt the 11's this Friday Night!
by "karmann_electric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Charging off peak vs Battery life
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: R:Current Eliminator News Ranked 3rd in Az Super pro division.
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
15) Calling on Ford Ranger EV owers and experienced personel.(long)
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) 1/8-Inch End Plates
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: 1/8-Inch End Plates
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: White Zombie to Attempt the 11's this Friday Night!
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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But 1 deg over 22 inches (diameter of the tire) is a bit more then 3/8
inch. That's a lot.
In a fine tunes and tight suspension you can go for as close as possible to
0.00 inches or strait on if you would. The typical SCCA racing junkie would
put as little toe in as possible .
That's right Ben.
There's a good chance that the units John gave for toe-in settings should
have been expressed as DEGREES and not INCHES. 3/4 to 1 degree sounds
more
reasonable.
Richard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:19 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: Challenging Drive
In a message dated 10/13/2005 5:34:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< All the vehicles I've owned that I've had to set the toe on had specs
between 3/4" and 1". None of those were/are small cars. >>
Out of the hundreds of vehicles I've aligned, I've never seen a spec of as
much as 1/4 inch, much less a greater value.
If you are relying on toe for stability, you are using a very wasteful
crutch.
Stability comes from castor.
Ben
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We are still ranked 3rd in the ADRA points battle.This is the super pro class
where the best bracket racers in arizona race.(also be aware that the
Division 7 NHRA champoniship was won by the racers I am racing tonight) The
race is
at Speedworld in Witman tonight. CREWING TONIGHT Jim Ludicker the 2nd
quickest EV driver in the World, Dennis Berube PS possible 60ft.ride in
top
alki funny car,3 more passes and I will have a top alki NHRA lice. Full pass
secud.OCT 22 at Speedworld 6 something....
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In a message dated 10/14/05 3:38:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Full pass
secud.OCT 22 at Speedworld 6 something.... >>
Thats a 6 + second qt.mile pass
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Hey all you race fans. Just thought I'd relay that Wayland just called and
confirmed He and Tim are heading over to PIR. Hope everyone can send some
happy thoughts west-ward and heres hoping that the Zombie will hit the elEVens
tonight.
Hope all have a great weekend
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello to All,
The weather isn't cooperating very much with us right now :-( The
forecasters can't pin down when this cold front with wind and rain is
blowing in exactly...they'll only say late on Friday. Until it arrives
though, it's supposed to be sunny and hit 70 today. We're still planning
on hitting the track today and hopefully, can make runs before we get
rained out.
Mike Ellis wrote:
>I just want to thank you, John and Tim, for your efforts and your accounts
>of your nights at the strip.
>
And thank you, for the kudos...it's very much appreciated! I sometimes
worry about posting about White Zombie too often, but I can't help but
share the good things that have been going on at the track nearly every
time we've raced...OK, there 'was' that night where we only got one run
in and I stupidly locked us out of our base camp - charging station
service truck! Quite frankly, it's helped me along the way, too, as
many of the EVDL listites have made good observations and have given
back good suggestions.
>I get a real thrill reading them....
>
Again, thank you. It's nice to know I haven't bored everyone yet :-)
> and I am
>always showing the videos of your races to my coworkers.
>
>
Yes, that's what I want to hear! Spread the EV word, show folks they can
be fun as well as practical. I'd love to hear your account of their
reactions to what you've shown them.
> Good luck this weekend!
>
>
Thanks. Saturday is now out as an option, as the PIR track will be
reconfigured for a big road racing event, and that, might get rained
out. Friday has rain predicted, but the cold weather front is not
supposed to come in until later in the evening. Tim and I 'should' be
off work a few hours earlier than normal. If the track opens at 5:00 pm,
we'll be there in line to get in on time. For now, it's still sunny and
warm (for October in Oregon).
Call for video cams......anybody in the Portland metro area, please come
cheer Tim on and perhaps capture with video, a street legal electric
door slammer passing through the 1/4 mile for the first time ever, in a
sub-12, high 11second run! I've got a camcorder for someone to run as
well....I suck at operating a camcorder, and I am too busy doing PR and
charging duties to have a camcorder stuck to my head. We're hoping to
have one of my Mac's in the car to log data from every run as well. The
tach drive sensor still needs to be finished. If we get it all hooked up
in time, Mark Farver will be called on to post those killer graphs he's
done...Mark?
See Ya (Friday at PIR)....John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
http://www.plasmaboyracing.com
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Meta Bus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Roger Stockton wrote:
> > NJ often chooses to bundle that information with a healthy
> > serving of demeaning remarks towards another lister...
>
> This is the inference that confused me. I did not read that,
> anywhere. I saw, clearly, attacks on ideas, but I do not make
> a leap to the implication that you and others have chosen.
The fact that I and others have interpreted NJ's "attack" as applying to
the poster as well as to the ideas should be evidence enough that NJ's
syle of presentation leads to some uncertainty regarding the scope of
his "attack" and the degree of "abrasiveness" intended.
It is not necessary to attack another person's idea in order to present
a dissenting view, nor is it necessary to be abrasive (at all) in one's
response to another poster. Neither increases the information value of
the post, but such posts can (and do) make the EVDL appear as a less
friendly/welcoming place and may discourage newbies from joining and
especially from participating.
It is a bit of an art to write in such a way that one's comments are
just offensive enough for the person they are directed at to rightfully
take offense, yet sufficiently open to interpretation that there is room
to question if they were really meant in that way. If NJ doesn't mean
his comments to be abrasive or personal, it really shouldn't be an issue
for him to temper his presentation style such that there is no question
at all of his intent.
> This forum is rife with ideas, good and bad, wizened and
> immature. I am an idea man, myself. I have so many ideas,
> I am certain that some of them must be bad. Sophomoric, even.
>
> Recently, I came upon the idea of making an electric-RV, and
> the further idea of relying on solar power to provide for
> both my comfort as well as my drive energy, as I intend to
> putter around the country coding software.
>
> "That's a stupid idea," someone from the peanut gallery might shout.
Unlikely, as I think you aren't the first to entertain this sort of
idea. Seems to me that Michael Shipway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "free
range programmer" (according to his tagline) has similar thoughts.
In any event, I think there is a clear distinction between someone
*asking* for comments/criticisms of an idea vs what happened here.
When the person asked for DC/DC suggestions, NJ responded with his
suggestions and defended his choices; very reasonable and helpful. When
the person posted to say "thanks everyone for all your suggestions, I
have decided to buy X because BLAH", not asking for anyone's opinion on
the validity of that choice or for an opinion on their reasoning, NJ
responded by "attacking" the reasoning with sufficient voracity that
some readers have interpreted his attack as extending beyond the idea to
the poster themself. To an unbiased reader, it appears that the main
motivation for NJ's response could simply be that 'X' didn't happen to
be one of his suggestions.
> "Penny wise and pound foolish"/"You get what you pay for" is a valid
> idea, yet so is "All that glitters is not gold" and "Caveat Emptor".
>
> Present one, and you can expect someone to present the other.
Present, perhaps, but I certainly would not expect someone to *attack*
the presentation of a valid idea.
> Posts from un-favorite writers can be skipped. But now I
> get the idea that certain posts are gobbled up with a kind
> of negative anticipation. The words are scanned, and some
> appear to be looking for offense to take.
>
> I am inferring this, of course, from scant observation.
I hope that you are mistaken in your inference. I can only speak for
myself, of course, but I don't scan anyone's posts with negative
anticipation, nor to I filter (or filter out) anyone's posts. Yet, when
I read NJ's post to Micheala it did strike me as unexpectedly and
undeservedly aggressive. NJ could have presented his view is such a way
that it could not have been interpreted as a personal attack on Micheala
without diminishing its validity at all.
> There is always signal and noise.
> Sure, there is noise added to the signal, but are you looking
> to filter it out, or are you amplifying it?
I am advocating the view that some noise can and should be removed at
the source; nobody should have to filter it out.
Amplification occurs when a dozen emails fly back and forth arguing over
how objectionable (or not) what someone posted was. If people refrain
from posting such comments in the first place the noise level goes way
down. Surely few would object to reading polite, respectfully worded
posts even when they convey a dissenting opinion?
> A final good idea, presented for your edification:
>
> "Don't take it personal".
"Edification" might not be the best choice of word here; "consideration"
would have been better. The thought was good, but the presentation is a
bit ironic. ;^>
Cheers,
Roger.
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Camber (equal amounts on both tires) won't change the straight line
stability. Racers use negative camber to compensate for body roll in turns.
In a straight line it only prematurely wears out the inboard edges of the
tread.
Castor is the inclination of the king pin relative to a perpendicular line
drawn from the ground. You add castor by moving the outer end of the lower A
arm forward or by moving the outer end of the upper A arm rearward. This can
be done with shims or eccentric bushings.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: Challenging Drive, feeling better
> I'm not sure how to add positive castor but I could add some camber by
> shiming the lower brake backing plate bolts to get the wheels to tilt
> outward at the bottom more (now their slightly tilted inward due to the
> light front end.
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I doubt that you could measure it.
The risk is forgetting to charge after 9pm and waking up to a partially
charged car.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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From: "Ricky Suiter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:07 AM
Subject: Charging off peak vs Battery life
> So I just found out my house is on the time of use electricity plan (which
is actually costing us more money, but that's beside the point). So now I'm
all about using that cheap off peak power, which is 4.64 cents a KWH vs
17.52 cents on peak. So the question is does letting wet lead cells sitting
around partially charged worth it vs saving a few dimes to charge?
>
> Right now it's working out well because off peak goes until 1PM, and I'm
only using maybe 20 - 25% and get home abound 12:30 and take a 30 minute
sip, which brings me to within a few percent of full and charge the rest
after 9PM. I know this isn't hurting anything, but in November it goes to a
more conventional peak hours schedule where I'd basically have to charge at
night, so say I leave the car sitting all afternoon at half charge, will
this make any significant difference in battery life?
>
>
> Later,
> Ricky
> 02 Red Insight #559
> 92 Saturn SC2 EV conversion in progress
>
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There are timers, like the ones used for the sprinklers, that work very
well.
Make sure the relay can take the current of the charger, other than that
it's as easy as setting the clock.
Success,
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Joe Smalley
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:01 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: Charging off peak vs Battery life
I doubt that you could measure it.
The risk is forgetting to charge after 9pm and waking up to a partially
charged car.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Ricky Suiter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:07 AM
Subject: Charging off peak vs Battery life
> So I just found out my house is on the time of use electricity plan (which
is actually costing us more money, but that's beside the point). So now I'm
all about using that cheap off peak power, which is 4.64 cents a KWH vs
17.52 cents on peak. So the question is does letting wet lead cells sitting
around partially charged worth it vs saving a few dimes to charge?
>
> Right now it's working out well because off peak goes until 1PM, and I'm
only using maybe 20 - 25% and get home abound 12:30 and take a 30 minute
sip, which brings me to within a few percent of full and charge the rest
after 9PM. I know this isn't hurting anything, but in November it goes to a
more conventional peak hours schedule where I'd basically have to charge at
night, so say I leave the car sitting all afternoon at half charge, will
this make any significant difference in battery life?
>
>
> Later,
> Ricky
> 02 Red Insight #559
> 92 Saturn SC2 EV conversion in progress
>
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That's what I was thinking, a pool type timer would probably work fine. Of
course I'll probably just not do anything to this effect until the first time I
do foreget to charge (so far so good).
I lied also, right now off peak starts at 8pm. On Nov 1st it goes to the
"winter" schedule where off peak is from 9am to 5pm and 9pm to 5am, and
anything over 400 kwh's is only 4.2 cents! I didn't realize just how good our
electric rates still are.
Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There are timers, like the ones used for the sprinklers, that work very
well.
Make sure the relay can take the current of the charger, other than that
it's as easy as setting the clock.
Success,
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tel: +1 408 542 5225 VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD# 25925
Fax: +1 408 731 3673 eFAX: +31-84-717-9972
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Joe Smalley
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:01 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: Charging off peak vs Battery life
I doubt that you could measure it.
The risk is forgetting to charge after 9pm and waking up to a partially
charged car.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Ricky Suiter"
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:07 AM
Subject: Charging off peak vs Battery life
> So I just found out my house is on the time of use electricity plan (which
is actually costing us more money, but that's beside the point). So now I'm
all about using that cheap off peak power, which is 4.64 cents a KWH vs
17.52 cents on peak. So the question is does letting wet lead cells sitting
around partially charged worth it vs saving a few dimes to charge?
>
> Right now it's working out well because off peak goes until 1PM, and I'm
only using maybe 20 - 25% and get home abound 12:30 and take a 30 minute
sip, which brings me to within a few percent of full and charge the rest
after 9PM. I know this isn't hurting anything, but in November it goes to a
more conventional peak hours schedule where I'd basically have to charge at
night, so say I leave the car sitting all afternoon at half charge, will
this make any significant difference in battery life?
>
>
> Later,
> Ricky
> 02 Red Insight #559
> 92 Saturn SC2 EV conversion in progress
>
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Later,
Ricky
02 Red Insight #559
92 Saturn SC2 EV conversion in progress
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Calvin,
Yes, the posts can melt if they're not well crimped or soldered, and tight.
As for the meters, there should be two that came stock with the
Electrica, mounted on the top of the dash. A motor ammeter, which
connects to the side posts on the shunt in the front DCS
(disconnect-contactor-speed control) box. The other is a State of
Charge meter, which is essentially a voltmeter. Do not connect full
pack voltage to this meter directly, as it will blow the meter (I
speak from experience). There is a voltage reducing circuit that has
to be in place between the pack and the meter. I have a schematic
which I can scan and email to you, but it'll have to be on Monday.
Let me know if you need it.
Richard Kelly
> From: Calvin King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Introduction
> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:56:19 -0400
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
>
> Ok, I will come out of lurk mode long enough to properly introduce
> myself then return to lurking. It is my goal to quietly read until I
> can understand most of what I read on this list and it looks like
> that maybe turn out to be along.
> I did bid on the E10 but decided to stop at $6100, I thought the risk
> for a newbie was getting too great.
> If someone on the list bought it, I would be interested in hearing
> how it turns out.
> Now the Intro:
> I live in a small town in south GA, Leesburg. I am a pastor which is
> another reason i stopped bidding as I began to doubt how much time
> might be required to get it running again. Like any other interest,
> my interest in electrics has to be secondary to the rest of my life.
> People come first and always will.
> A few weeks back I purchased a '81 Jet Electrica. It uses a Lynx
> sled. it is a 96V system using 16 - 6 volt Trojans (5, T605's and
> 11, T105's)
> It has a Curtis controller which I assume it is the original. Its
> tag says...
> Voltage 72 - 120 Model 1221-7401 serial # 145 883 current 400.
> It has a K&W charger model BC20. After a frantic email to a name I
> found on the internet i was told how to track the problem and advised
> to join this list.
> It turned out that I had a battery post melt. Bypassed the battery
> and drove home. I have since replaced the battery with a used one
> and double checked all the battery connections.
> Since then the car has worked well.
> Now the problems. The meters are not connected and I have yet to
> figure out how to trace the disconnect and reconnect. The person I
> bought the car from did not know any thing about maintaining and
> repairing. Not having the meter to read the level of discharge is
> why I have not tested the car driving limits.
> Next issue is the charger. No paper work, so no instructions on most
> efficient operation. There are two ways to adjust the charger but
> without some instructions, I don't know what and how to do so I leave
> it as it is.
> That is enough for an introduction. I will return to lurking and
> learning. I will appreciate an information and advice that any care
> to give.
> Calvin King
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Good thoughts John. Thanks for putting a reality check spin on my curiousity
over the 2 stroke issue. Keeping things in perspective IS important. As a
long distance vehicle its probably the best case for a hybrid like Bobs
Prius (too bad he can't plug it in tho) I have heard. I think im gonna go
cry now ;-) LOL. Regards, David Chapman.
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From: "Neon John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: rotary engine for generator
Impossible, as a practical matter, at least with conventional
2-strokes. The process of scavenging passes a good deal of fresh
charge out the exhaust port. A tuned exhaust (expansion chamber)
forces some of that back in just before the port closes but not all.
Thus the unburned HC is off the charts even if the actual mixture is
lean. Since there is excess oxygen in the exhaust also, some of the
mix oxidizes from the heat, resulting in high CO.
The way the OEMs have addressed this is DFI - direct injection into
the cylinder. There is no fuel in the crankcase. The fuel is
injected directly into the cylinder on the compression stroke after
the exhaust port has closed. The scavenging air contains no fuel and
so few hydrocarbons. Because the scavenging varies so much with
engine speed, maintaining the correct stoich mixture for a cat
converter is still considered very difficult to impossible.
It seems to me that if one wanted to experiment with a lightweight
2-stroke engine that had a chance of having low emissions, he'd start
with a modern DFI 2-stroke outboard motor. Water cooling allows
tighter clearances in the engine which results in lower HC emissions
because less unburnt fuel is trapped in the space between the piston
and cylinder and behind the rings. This type of engine would be the
cleanest available 2-stroke to start with. How much more it could be
cleaned up is anyone's guess.
There continues to be a lot of work done by those evil car companies
on direct charge 2-stroke engines. This is similar to the Detroit
Diesel 2-stroke diesel where scavenging is via a supercharger. If
this style 2-stroke could be made emission-compliant, it would be a
boon since the 2-stroke has so many fewer parts. So far, no joy.
At the risk of being perceived as abrasive by some delicate souls, I
have to ask the obvious question. If you're going to drag around an
IC engine and you're concerned about emissions, why not just leave the
OEM engine in place? It is far cleaner than anything you can conjure
up at home. If you absolutely have to stick an electric motor in the
car, then why not get a 4WD version, transplant a 2WD
engine/transmission/transaxle and put the motor on the other end?
Whipping up some microprocessor smarts to lash together the gas and
electric propulsion modules would be VASTLY easier than trying to do a
DIY emission control system.
It STILL seems to me that the most rational approach is the one I've
taken, a nice conventional car for long trips and an EV for
around-town driving. My long trips are fairly rare and my gas car
gets good mileage (almost 30 on the highway) so neither the amount of
fuel I use nor the cost is significant.
As I've mentioned before, I do carry a small (1kw) gas generator with
me in the EV for emergency charging. I do have to park to charge,
however, as my generator can only send a few amps to the pack. I've
only had to use it a couple of times which is an acceptable frequency
for me. I do occasionally set it out and crank it when I'm going to
be someplace for awhile just to lower the DOD on my pack.
John
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:19:58 -0700, "David Chapman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
How tough would it be to clean up a 2 stroke exhaust for a range extender
use? I have a McCulloch flat 4 cyl aircooled 2 stroke that weighs around
75-85 lbs and has a rated output of 70+ hp @ 4,000 rpm that I have always
thought might be great for this if it wasn't for the dirty exhaust. Would
need shrouding to cool properly and a good fan, probably knock off a bit
on
the output power.
David Chapman.
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John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
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Well, it wasn't to be.
Having missed the Zombie's recent recordbreaking streak while lazing
at home, there was no way I'd let the eleven second era begin
without witnesses, so Jeff Thurnau and I piloted my once-and-future
EV Karmann Ghia, the Ghost Dancer, through the drizzle of Vancouver
Washington down to the still-dry strip at Portland International
Raceway. Jeff is a retired Boeing draftsman and new OEVA member who
is making great progress on his first conversion.
Wayland was uncharacteristically early to the strip, and it paid
off. With the threatening weather, competition for space in the
staging lanes was minimal, so Tim Brehm had already boiled the hides
and produced a solid run in the mid 12's before we arrived. Just
before the Zombie's second pass was to come, a drizzle began. There
was hope the rain wouldn't last, so the track crew started murmuring
about covering the pad. I expected to see a tarp get unrolled, but
instead they summoned all racers to line up bumper-to-bumper on the
opening section of track. Even a couple of car haulers got in line
to protect the pavement, while a steady stream of spectatators gave
John a flurry of FAQs about the Zombie. After a relatively short
rain delay, about two corn dogs and one hot chocolate long, an all-
clear was given and the track quickly cleared. The surface was cold
and damp, so Tim gave one of the night's better smoke shows, but it
still wasn't enough to compensate for cold tar on the track, and he
couldn't get sufficient stiction to lift the front tires this time.
I got some good digital footage of this run, but conditions were
obviously against us tonight, and Tim stayed stuck in the mid 12's.
(As if that's a bad thing, how quickly we get spoiled by success!)
Before each car had completed a second round, the rain returned in
earnest, and further racing was canceled. Since the night was still
young and we could all use something warm, our little crew of EV
groupies slipped into Shari's for a meal, and spent the next ninety
minutes swapping stories of roadside misadventures and the early
days of EV racing. (Otmar, were your ears burning last night?) ;-p
Thanks go out to John Wayland, Marko Mongillo, Tim Brehm and Jeff
Thurnau for an enjoyable evening of EV crusading.
Cheers,
Jay Donnaway
www.karmanneclectric.blogspot.com
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A timer might work, if you are charging below 16 amps at 120 VAC. Also you
would have to preset the charger ampere before you turn it on. On some battery
chargers this is not too good, where you will have a ampere surge into the
batteries.
The contacts on this type of timer or even a heavy duty industrial timer would
not last long. They are design to operated a coil of a magnetic contactor that
is on the main power line. You would need a Size 2 contactor for 50 ampere or
less.
You could just set a alarm clock to remind yourself, then of course you would
have to remind yourself to set the alarm clock.
Maybe just put up yellow sticky notes to remind yourself, this is what I do
sometimes, but then I forgot to look at them.
Roland
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From: Cor van de Water<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:42 PM
Subject: RE: Charging off peak vs Battery life
There are timers, like the ones used for the sprinklers, that work very
well.
Make sure the relay can take the current of the charger, other than that
it's as easy as setting the clock.
Success,
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
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Behalf Of Joe Smalley
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:01 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu<mailto:ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Charging off peak vs Battery life
I doubt that you could measure it.
The risk is forgetting to charge after 9pm and waking up to a partially
charged car.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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From: "Ricky Suiter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu<mailto:ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:07 AM
Subject: Charging off peak vs Battery life
> So I just found out my house is on the time of use electricity plan (which
is actually costing us more money, but that's beside the point). So now I'm
all about using that cheap off peak power, which is 4.64 cents a KWH vs
17.52 cents on peak. So the question is does letting wet lead cells sitting
around partially charged worth it vs saving a few dimes to charge?
>
> Right now it's working out well because off peak goes until 1PM, and I'm
only using maybe 20 - 25% and get home abound 12:30 and take a 30 minute
sip, which brings me to within a few percent of full and charge the rest
after 9PM. I know this isn't hurting anything, but in November it goes to a
more conventional peak hours schedule where I'd basically have to charge at
night, so say I leave the car sitting all afternoon at half charge, will
this make any significant difference in battery life?
>
>
> Later,
> Ricky
> 02 Red Insight #559
> 92 Saturn SC2 EV conversion in progress
>
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In a message dated 10/14/05 3:38:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Subj: R:Current Eliminator News Ranked 3rd in Az Super pro division.
Date: 10/14/05 3:38:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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We are still ranked 3rd in the ADRA points battle.This is the super pro
class
where the best bracket racers in arizona race.(also be aware that the
Division 7 NHRA champoniship was won by the racers I am racing tonight) The
race is
at Speedworld in Witman tonight. CREWING TONIGHT Jim Ludicker the 2nd
quickest EV driver in the World, Dennis Berube PS possible 60ft.ride
in top
alki funny car,3 more passes and I will have a top alki NHRA lice. Full
pass
secud.OCT 22 at Speedworld 6 something. >>
^^ CE went 3 passes last nite, enough to retain 3rd place for 2005 against
the best bracket racing ICEs in Div.7 from California to Texas.CE ran .005 off
its dial, my .040 lite put me on the trailer. No alki ride last nite so
back to seting the clutch on oct 22. Dennis Berube Next weekend
brings a $1000 race........
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First I realize this is not the Ford Ranger Group. But
I need some informational help from experienced people
and the Ford Ranger groups do not seem as informed as
this group is. This post is for those either with
experience specifically on the Ford Ranger EV
commercially produced.
I am about to drop the dead battery pack on a 1999
Ford Ranger EV. And I know the following:
The pack voltage is dead.
39 AGM 8v 65 Ahr Delphi batteries in it. Weight
roughly 2500 lbs. Hooked up in series for 312Vdc pack.
Rear connector is power to drive system
Passenger front connector appears to be from Charging
system.
Now for unknowns yet!
Front Driver side connector. Dozen odd wires coming
out and where it goes.
Voltage requirements for following:
Air conditioning drive motor
Water Cooling drive motor
Power Steering Drive motor
Vacuum booster pump
Cabin electrical requirement for onboard computer
(presently assuming that is 12 volts from auxiliary
battery.
Voltage input to Lamda DC/DC.
Don't know what is in voled with BMS system.
What the present plans are include the following.
Drop the pack to diagnose the issue with it. Suspect
battery rupture as smoke poured out of it during last
drive. Or a loose connection splitting a post. However
it has been sitting almost 3 years so there is
probably little hope there is anything left of the
original pack.
Plan for build of a new pack. Suspect we will have to
build a new pack for it. This will mean redesign of
the pack itself with a probable need of a new Charging
and BMS system unless someone on this list knows how
to change the present system to accomidate a different
battery system. There is also the issue with the
unknowns above we working with.
What I really desire is a shop manual which I have
been unsuccessful in acquiring. Or what someone else
has done to bring their truck back to life. And yes I
know about the pack exchange program but have an issue
with both the price and the lack of warranty and
upgrade-ability with those people.
You ask a question of that company and you get send us
the pack you just hurt yourself working on it. I am
sorry I am an Electronic tech and work on 480Vac Water
heaters and 150 KW ion implanters without issue so
what is issue with a 312Vdc pack.
Anyway back to my problem. I intend to bring this
truck back to life with or without assistance. If I
have to rip the whole electrical out and rewire it I
will. But I would prefer to leave it intact and
rebuild the pack. Just to get another EV on the road
again.
Thanks again for all the information: I am assisting a
friend to get his truck running. He bought this from
ASU and it was running when he bought it. However the
pack died and he wants it back up and running but
doesn't know anything about.
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I've got some 1/8-inch aluminum. Would that be thick enough to be the end
plates that hold 5 TS cells to keep them from expanding?
Thanks.
Bill Dennis
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At 07:04 AM 10/15/2005, Bill Dennis wrote:
I've got some 1/8-inch aluminum. Would that be thick enough to be the end
plates that hold 5 TS cells to keep them from expanding?
Seems a bit thin. The ones I have are more like 1/4" thick, with 4
straps around the batteries to the end plates.
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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Hello to All,
It's the day after racing report....
Jay wrote:
Well, it wasn't to be.
Guess that pretty much covers it. I had written:
Friday has rain predicted, but the cold weather front is not supposed
to come in until later in the evening. Tim and I 'should' be off work
a few hours earlier than normal. If the track opens at 5:00 pm, we'll
be there in line to get in on time. For now, it's still sunny and warm
(for October in Oregon).
Indeed, Friday's weather was fabulous, sunny and right near 70 degrees
for most of the day. Tim and I started work early and were both
scheduled to be off before 3:00. As I wrenched on a Crown electric stock
picker outdoors, my last job of the day, the blue sky punctuated with
scattered clouds had me pumped about being able to race on a dry track,
and I was thinking the weather guys had messed up with their gloomy
forecast. However, as the clock spun closer to the 2:30 mark, a cool
wind picked up rustling the Fall leaves...hmmmm. By the time I had the
machine delivered back to the customer and with Velvet Revolver ponding
my head as I cleaned up and put away my tools, the sky was darkening and
a mass of unfriendly clouds had displaced the sunshine...how could a
beautiful warm day go away so quickly? Fall in Oregon!
Tim and I were in radio contact, he heading west approaching his home
about 30 miles away near the town of St. Helens, I heading east towards
Plasma Central on the freeway system in my service truck. Calls were
made to the PIR track, who gave the go-ahead for Friday night racing,
but with the warning that they may have to shut down if needed. As Tim
was talking about all things electric, a work service van passed in the
lane to my right while another work truck passed on the lane to my
immediate right. The one on the left had signage that read 'Stoner
Electric' (great name, dude) while the big Ford on the right read
'Oregon Electric Group'. What are the odds?
Marko Mongillo had also gotten off work early and was headed to meet up
with Tim and I at my house. As we opened up the shop to ready the Zombie
and load up the service truck with chargers, cords, and all the other
items we take to the track, a small family situation had unfolded right
on cue to pull me away from racing stuff for nearly an hour. I needed to
refocus to help resolve things, and left with my wife who had also
gotten off work early. We got everything handled, crisis over, and when
we arrived back to the EV juice bar, there was White Zombie on the
street, there was the service truck properly loaded and ready to go, and
there were my two friends who, just as I knew they would do, had taken
care of business. It's really great to be associated with top quality
guys like Tim and Marko!
It was fun watching the two of them pile into that little white car,
excited about the fun drive to the track and 'hopefully' a dry night of
racing. As we rolled along, the Zombie in the lead with me trailing in
the service truck, sitting higher up and with that big panoramic view
out the Isuzu's large windshield, I had a clear view of the dash mounted
Emeter's bright red LED display and could watch the pack
voltage...nifty. Heading west on Marine Drive towards the track, it was
5:30-ish (gates opened at 6:00) so we were still on schedule, but so was
the weather front. The skies above us were now foreboding, the huge
river to our right was choppy, and rain drops were dotting the
windshield. Nonetheless, it was cool to watch White Zombie cruise along
at 45 mph with orange, red, and gold leaves twirling in the vortices
created by the electric sedan. I could also see arms flying about in the
car as Tim and Marko were obviously having a lively conversation in a
fun male bonding thing. There was still hope of dry racing, as I could
see clear skies to the west and south of this dark mass above us, so
onward we drove.
With the threatening weather, competition for space in the
staging lanes was minimal...Wayland was uncharacteristically early to the strip, and it paid
off.
How true. The track was our oyster, with perhaps 20 cars there, a far
cry from the 150-200 cars that usually show up!
Tim Brehm had already boiled the hides
and produced a solid run in the mid 12's before we arrived.
I'd say upper 12's, but I have the advantage of the time slips in hand.
Yes, it was shaping up to be a solid run at the 11's. The car usually
makes a low 13 on the first pass of the night, then as the batteries do
their electro-chemical thing and heat up and get agitated with each
heavy discharge an recharge cycle, the car dips into the high 12's, then
mid 12's etc. This time, the very first pass was a 12.805 @ 97.16 mph.
The cold track was definitely an issue, but the new longer traction bars
seemed to make up for the loss of stick and Tim bagged a nice 1.687 60
ft. time. No lift off at launch though and the front tires stayed on
the ground as the rear tires failed to hook up as they squealed and
spun. Oh yeah, and Tim blew off a late 60's V8 Chevy Impala in the process.
conditions were obviously against us tonight
Yup. After the light rain temporarily stopped, the racing resumed and we
got the second and last pass of the night in, a 12.713 @ 99.73 mph. The
1.682 60 ft. time was nearly identical to the previous one. That was it,
folks...it started to rain hard after that.... time to pack it up for
the night :-(
On the positive side, this was the first time we started off in the
12's, and considering the very poor track conditions, it seems the new
traction bars we made did the trick. We were able to maintain killer 60
ft. times even without the sticky bite a warmer rubber coated track
brings. The car had considerable wheel spin, and even barked the tires
on the series-to-parallel upshift, and yet we ran 12's....not too
shabby. There's not too much doubt in my mind, that had the track been
better and had we been able to keep running, we on on target for that
elusive high 11. Will we get another window of opportunity before the
season ends the first weekend of November?
Thanks to Jeff and Jay for the support. The post racing dinner was fun!
See Ya...John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
http://www.plasmaboyracing.com
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