EV Digest 4823
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Calling on Ford Ranger EV owers and experienced personel.(long)
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: K&W BC-20 Opperation
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Ampabout ... Outsourcing, limbo, award
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) PFC-30 Wanted
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
5) Re: Liquid cooling package now available
by Evan Tuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Liquid cooling package now available
by "Joe Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) young engineer in need of experience
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
8) Re: Possible Conversion
by Jimmy Argon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Liquid cooling package now available
by "Christopher Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Turn Signals
by Ross Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Pot Box?
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Those Allbright contactors
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) RE: Turn Signals
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Liquid cooling package now available
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Ovonic NiMH battery is available
by Shyam Gopal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) FW: CALSTART's Conference in LA Dec. 1st
by Marvin Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) CALSTART's Conference in LA Dec. 1st/EV FlashMob Anybody?
by Marvin Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) FW: CALSTART's Conference in LA Dec. 1st
by Marvin Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Batteries from China
by Jimmy Argon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: FW: CALSTART's Conference in LA Dec. 1st
by keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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These vehicles are sown up tight. Experts like Ed Thorpe can't EVen get in
and put a multimeter to a battery to find out what the charging routine is
like. It is possible some of the batteries are still good. There is an
outfit in Sacramento that has Ford's blessing and technical help to rebuild
packs. Cost is about 4500 dollars. I think they are called Battery MD. If
you dispose of the batteries I'd like a crack at them I have used them with
some success. I have revived a few but right now my current pack is sagging
badly. I need to do something if I want to keep driving. Lawrence
Rhodes.....
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From: "Bruce Weisenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:20 AM
Subject: Calling on Ford Ranger EV owers and experienced personel.(long)
First I realize this is not the Ford Ranger Group. But
I need some informational help from experienced people
and the Ford Ranger groups do not seem as informed as
this group is. This post is for those either with
experience specifically on the Ford Ranger EV
commercially produced.
I am about to drop the dead battery pack on a 1999
Ford Ranger EV. And I know the following:
The pack voltage is dead.
39 AGM 8v 65 Ahr Delphi batteries in it. Weight
roughly 2500 lbs. Hooked up in series for 312Vdc pack.
Rear connector is power to drive system
Passenger front connector appears to be from Charging
system.
Now for unknowns yet!
Front Driver side connector. Dozen odd wires coming
out and where it goes.
Voltage requirements for following:
Air conditioning drive motor
Water Cooling drive motor
Power Steering Drive motor
Vacuum booster pump
Cabin electrical requirement for onboard computer
(presently assuming that is 12 volts from auxiliary
battery.
Voltage input to Lamda DC/DC.
Don't know what is in voled with BMS system.
What the present plans are include the following.
Drop the pack to diagnose the issue with it. Suspect
battery rupture as smoke poured out of it during last
drive. Or a loose connection splitting a post. However
it has been sitting almost 3 years so there is
probably little hope there is anything left of the
original pack.
Plan for build of a new pack. Suspect we will have to
build a new pack for it. This will mean redesign of
the pack itself with a probable need of a new Charging
and BMS system unless someone on this list knows how
to change the present system to accomidate a different
battery system. There is also the issue with the
unknowns above we working with.
What I really desire is a shop manual which I have
been unsuccessful in acquiring. Or what someone else
has done to bring their truck back to life. And yes I
know about the pack exchange program but have an issue
with both the price and the lack of warranty and
upgrade-ability with those people.
You ask a question of that company and you get send us
the pack you just hurt yourself working on it. I am
sorry I am an Electronic tech and work on 480Vac Water
heaters and 150 KW ion implanters without issue so
what is issue with a 312Vdc pack.
Anyway back to my problem. I intend to bring this
truck back to life with or without assistance. If I
have to rip the whole electrical out and rewire it I
will. But I would prefer to leave it intact and
rebuild the pack. Just to get another EV on the road
again.
Thanks again for all the information: I am assisting a
friend to get his truck running. He bought this from
ASU and it was running when he bought it. However the
pack died and he wants it back up and running but
doesn't know anything about.
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The company still exists and will be glad to get you the manual. I think it
is on line somewhere. LR
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From: "Mueller, Craig M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 12:09 PM
Subject: K&W BC-20 Opperation
I've recently aquired a 120V conversion that uses a K&W BC-20 charger
with a LB-20 line booster. Can anyone tell me the recommended
opperationg proceedure (No manual was supplied, and I'm unfamiliar with
the equipment)?
Thanks,
Craig M
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I have stopped riding my bicycle to work, and I am now driving my
EV to work again. I found it was down right dangerous to ride a
bicycle in my area, as there are many loonies and whacky-drivers
that do crazy things (a guy who drives in the bicycle lane to chase
riders out!).
My blazer is running fine, but I don't get to drive it on long runs
like used to. Not only because of a lack of funds, but a lack of
available time.
I am still taking College courses toward a Bachelor of Science
Degree in Computer Science (BSCS). I am doing great, as this and
last quarters, I got all A's. My desire to go EV'ing has not
diminished, just the funds and time have.
The company I work at outsources many of their departments (uses
other companies to do the work). The company I work for is a vendor
for the company I work at. Recently the company I work at had an
acquisition/merger that doubled its size. Cost cutting is rampant,
and changes are happening all over the company I work at (sound
familar?).
A few weeks ago I was told my position was being bided on by four
vendor companies (including my own). Long story short, soon I may
be out of a job if another company wins the bid. I am left in the
dark as to the details, and it is quite disconcerting to left one's
lively hood in someone elses hands.
Despite this Limbo status, I am EVing everyday into work, and doing
my usual 110%. It is not because of my performance that this is
occurring. Just the opposite, everyone is quite pleased with my
professionalism and quality of work. So much so, my manager called
me and told me I have been nominated for an award (for handling the
entire site by myself).
Though I did my best to explain that I have plenty of awards from
EV promotion work I did in the 90's, he did not grasp that I would
rather have a stable job than an award (go figure).
This Tuesday, the awards ceremony is being held from 10am to 4pm in
Alameda on the USS Hornet (they rent out parts of the ship for
events like this).
My manager was trying to have me join their car pool. But told him
that driving my EV on long trips was a pleasure that I do not get
to do much (he could not relate). I have a couple of choices on how
to get there.
I could drive all the way in my EV. I have already figured out the
charging locations: Hwy 84 East to Chabot College where I charge at
a 6 Kw rate for an hour, then plug into the MCS-600 charger with
two 14-50 outlets at the original Calstart bldg (Hangar 20)
Alameda. With two 14-50 outlets, I can push double the power back
into my pack in half the time. Then pop on over to the USS Hornet
2.5 miles away.
But driving means traffic. Traffic and traffic jams in both
directions, getting there and coming back. SF bay area commute
traffic really bites. So, I thought of how I could minimize my
exposure to traffic.
I thought I use BART (Electric Rail line). I saw on
EVchargernews.com site Fremont (East Bay) BART Hertz has EV
charging. I used the telephone numbers on the page and called them.
The Hertz rep was down right nasty and said if I plugged in my EV
would be towed away! He said besides, the chargers have been turned
off. The BART rep said Hertz is leasing the space and has control
over the use of their space or equipment. It seems Hertz wants
nothing to do with EVs.
Fremont does have public EV charging at the newly moved COSTCO, but
it is not close to Fremont BART. I could do an hour charge at
COSTCO and then drive to BART.
The other choice is to go north to the Colma BART that has EV
charging, and then ride around to Alameda.
Either BART options require I get off at the 12th street Oakland
stop and take bus #61 to USS Hornet.
EV all the way, or stave off the grief of weekday morning and
evening traffic?
Ah, decisions, decisions ...
I will have to think on this, but I am swaying toward driving my EV
all the way there.
Oddly, the award committee asked for ten pictures from each
nominee. So, I dug out ten pictures from my files and scanned them
to send in. I am not sure what they plan to do with them (roast me,
embarrass me, or ???) but I organized them for my purposes: Promote
EVs.
They cover a period of time from when I just received my EV,
throughout my promotion of EVs. Too bad I do not look as young as I
did in those pictures. I put them up on a site encase you want to
see them http://brucedp.150m.com/history/
More later ...
Bruce {EVangel} Parmenter
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Anyone upgrading to a PFC-50 and want to sell their PFC-30? I'm building up
the oomph to buy new but thought I might as well check for used first :)
Thanks,
Robb
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On 10/16/05, Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002567B4/002-4383118-3423212?v=glance
> >http://www.zbattery.com/zbattery/aed75.html
>
> For about the same price, you can get a great 12 volt RV pump that
> will literally run forever and be silent in the process. Shurflow is
> the most common brand.
>
> Here's one for under $50 from Northern Tool:
>
> http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?in_merch=1&storeId=6970&productId=357081&R=357081
> http://tinyurl.com/dmq7q
>
> This pump is rated at 1 gpm (60 gph) at 40 psi. More than twice that
> at the low pressure involved in this system. The pump will draw about
> 2 amps at 12 volts at low pressure.
Silent? Hmm. I have a very similar diaghram pump right here,
actually a Jabsco/Flojet LF series. It's what I would call "noisy"
and also produces quite a lot of vibration. It also seems to consume
a lot of power and the motor runs hotter than I'd like even with
little or no pressure to overcome. The Shurflo might be radically
better but I'd be surprised if it was.
By contrast, the "car heater circulation pumps" which are used for
liquid cooling on my EV, have been on the car for 35k miles (they run
all the time while charging too) and are still almost inaudible, even
listening at the front grill of the car which the pumps are just
behind.
I've taken these pumps from high end cars at the scrap yard before,
for use in solar experiments. They take about half an Amp at 12V.
They are impeller type pumps and in my opinion are definitely better
suited to this task. You can be sure they are compatible with
anti-freeze, for one thing.
I'm pretty sure that this is the sort of pump that Ryan is selling,
and would recommend it for EV use based on my experience.
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In my experience, Evan, Shurflo pumps are vastly superior to Flojet ones.
Having said that, even the Shurflo RV pumps are far from silent!
Joseph H. Strubhar
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
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From: "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: Liquid cooling package now available
> On 10/16/05, Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002567B4/002-4383118-342321
2?v=glance
> > >http://www.zbattery.com/zbattery/aed75.html
> >
> > For about the same price, you can get a great 12 volt RV pump that
> > will literally run forever and be silent in the process. Shurflow is
> > the most common brand.
> >
> > Here's one for under $50 from Northern Tool:
> >
> >
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?in_merch=1&storeId=6970&productId=357081&R=357081
> > http://tinyurl.com/dmq7q
> >
> > This pump is rated at 1 gpm (60 gph) at 40 psi. More than twice that
> > at the low pressure involved in this system. The pump will draw about
> > 2 amps at 12 volts at low pressure.
>
> Silent? Hmm. I have a very similar diaghram pump right here,
> actually a Jabsco/Flojet LF series. It's what I would call "noisy"
> and also produces quite a lot of vibration. It also seems to consume
> a lot of power and the motor runs hotter than I'd like even with
> little or no pressure to overcome. The Shurflo might be radically
> better but I'd be surprised if it was.
>
> By contrast, the "car heater circulation pumps" which are used for
> liquid cooling on my EV, have been on the car for 35k miles (they run
> all the time while charging too) and are still almost inaudible, even
> listening at the front grill of the car which the pumps are just
> behind.
>
> I've taken these pumps from high end cars at the scrap yard before,
> for use in solar experiments. They take about half an Amp at 12V.
> They are impeller type pumps and in my opinion are definitely better
> suited to this task. You can be sure they are compatible with
> anti-freeze, for one thing.
>
> I'm pretty sure that this is the sort of pump that Ryan is selling,
> and would recommend it for EV use based on my experience.
>
>
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Seeking opportunity to shadow and assist someone with extensive
knowledge about EV conversions. I graduated in August from UW-Madison
with a degree in mechanical engineering and arrived in the Bay area
last month in hopes of starting a career that I was passionate about.
After attending a few Green Building and Solar tours, I stumbled upon
the concept of electric vehicles. The more I learn about them, the
more intrigued and excited I become. The difficult thing about finding
a job without any experience is that nobody wants to hire you. I've
considered just finding any old job so I can start making some money to
support myself, but then I might never get the experience I need to do
what I really want to be doing. Although it would be nice to get
involved somewhere with the potential to become a fulltime employee,
right now I just want to get my feet wet and my hands dirty. Is anyone
willing to exchange knowledge and training for a hardworking set of
hands and a passion for the industry?
Cheers,
Brad
608.852.5044
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Sorry, my big time screw up, i was talking about the
914. Yikes!
You are right, the 911 is a good car to convert, it is
a better car than the Ghia in many ways. There were
not many 911 conversions, I think it is because of
cost, because it is a better vehicle.
In the Ghia {as a minimum} I had to install disc
brakes up front, all 4 is even better. Beefy (5/8
inch) Anti sway bars are a must, minimum - up front.
When we were racing (circle track and road course), we
had to keep the cars within the GVW for the car, this
was difficult with the Ghia (2625?) while trying to
get the power wt ratio above 50%. I was not able to
do it with the time and money I had. I was convinced
the only way to get the ratio where it needed to be on
a ghia was using an all glass body. My dream was
funny car style - didn't happen.
The buggy was the only car I got the pwr-wt ratio over
50%, you definately notice the difference range-wise.
I will try to post an article and pictures of the ghia
on my web page soon.
I am sure you will do well.
Jimmy
--- David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do you have a link for everyone? I'd like to see
> what you did, too.
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David Dymaxion said:
> Why aren't more people doing a heat pipe like Bill Dube on his
> Wabbit?
>
> Cheap, quiet, no amp draw, reliable, simple...
>
Requires pressure capacity of over 200psi from homemade plumbing (I have
trouble with leaks in my 125psi air system at home), contains a flammable
gas (butane in Bill's case) and the equipment necessary to
evacuate/charge/measure it, requires the radiator to be above the
controller, and the controller tilted to allow bubbles to natually escape
from its water block (which may be impossible depending on whether the
Zilla's water channel is more complex than a simple U-shape), not reliable
if the butane bleeds through your plumbing material ...
While I won't argue that this isn't a good idea in theory, the details
make it seem a lot more complex than just using water and a pump. On the
other hand, if someone were to engineer a full system that has valves and
such built in, and Otmar started putting the logo on sideways so the water
ports could be at the top... :o)
--chris
> --- Ryan Bohm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi EVeryone!
>>
>> After doing quite a bit of searching and researching, I have come
>> up
>> with a liquid cooling package that can be used with the Zillas or
>> the
>> upcoming liquid cooled PFC chargers. I still have long-term and
>> abuse
>> testing to do with the components that have been chosen, but from
>> the
>> testing I have done so far, I have been quite satisfied with the
>> combination.
>>
>> When I began the process of assembling the liquid cooling system
>> for my
>> Zilla about 1+ years ago, I was a bit lost on how I should assemble
>> it.
>> I wasted time and money scrapping together a pretty ugly
>> combination of
>> radiator, pump with a plastic coffee-storing jug as a reservoir,
>> inverter for pump, and 3/8" to 3/4" juggle of fittings for size
>> conversion. It worked, but was less than elegant, and took a lot
>> of
>> time to assemble. So I decided to put together a nifty package
>> with all
>> of the necessary components (and I mean *all*!) to liquid cool a
>> piece
>> of equipment like the Zilla.
>>
>> So, I invite anyone interested to take a look at what I've
>> assembled at:
>>
>> http://www.evsource.com/tls_cooling.php
>>
>> ...and give me feedback. The package picture is already outdated
>> (and
>> my 5 year old digital camera finally gave up the ghost, so an
>> update
>> will appear when I decide what new camera to get).
>
>
>
>
>
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Gentlemen: The converted 1991 Isuzu pick up EV I recently purchased has a
bug... It does not appear to have ever been inspected and I believe the turn
signals have probably never been reconnected or to have ever worked since
conversion. I checked fuses and light bulbs but neither front or rear turn
signals work (no sound either) and only the rear flashers work (both sides).
I'm about ready to take it to the shop unless someone has an idea. Ross
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it would be on the side of the pot box and when the go peddle is not being
pushed , its arm will rest on the switch , they are small but there will be
two wires coming off them .
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From: "Catherine C. Burgard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV List" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: Pot Box?
Does anyone know where the micro switch would be on one of these cars?
The contactor was rebuilt by a reputable company and looks great, I have a
curtis controller 1205, 48 volt.
Catherine
I'm coming in on this one late, but depending on how
your car is wired, it could be the microswitch, or a
relay going bad. They arc, and develop pitting after
a long time, if not protected by a diode.
--- Jimmy Argon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Catherine,
You may want to check your main contactor and see if
it has been arcing (more that usual) and has a buld
up
of carbon. What controller do you have?
Jimmy
--- "Catherine C. Burgard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I've got trouble again. When I step on the
> accelerator sometimes it doesn't engage anything.
> It can be totally cold or happen at a stop light
> after driving awhile. Also driving along it just
> disengaged from acceleration, nothing at the
pedal,
> but the batteries are fine. Does anyone know if
the
> pot box could be bad or going bad, and if it was
> would it cause that sort of problem.
> Catherine
> '80 Commuta Car
>
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Hi Rick I missed out on the first order , must have missied that post , I'd
like to get 10 of them .. let me know where to send a check , how about $40
for each so you can make a little . .
Steve Clunn
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From: "Rick Barnes" <>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: Those Allbright contactors
.
I ordered a few extra when I placed the bulk order. Price $35 ea plus
shipping.
If there is demand, I can make another bulk purchase.
Rick Barnes
Aloha, OR
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- check the ground at the light bulbs with an ohmmeter
-- check that power is at the fuse with a voltmeter
- check that power is getting to the turn signal relay
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ross Henderson
Sent: October 16, 2005 10:06 AM
To: ev list
Subject: Turn Signals
Gentlemen: The converted 1991 Isuzu pick up EV I recently purchased has a
bug... It does not appear to have ever been inspected and I believe the
turn signals have probably never been reconnected or to have ever worked
since conversion. I checked fuses and light bulbs but neither front or rear
turn signals work (no sound either) and only the rear flashers work (both
sides). I'm about ready to take it to the shop unless someone has an idea.
Ross
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Be careful with bosh pump, there is two version:
my saxo electric car has the brushed version, which life is limited to
brushes life (about 30 000km maximum) you can see it open here:
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=54
berlingo/partner electric, which Evan have, have the brushless one, less
noise (they use two and are audible but brushed one is definitely worst) and
longer life.
They are Car and so strong material, which purpose is runing all the time
nothing to compare with other "aquariophil" 12V dc or ~ V brand pump.
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Liquid cooling package now available
> On 10/16/05, Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002567B4/002-4383118-342321
2?v=glance
> > >http://www.zbattery.com/zbattery/aed75.html
> >
> > For about the same price, you can get a great 12 volt RV pump that
> > will literally run forever and be silent in the process. Shurflow is
> > the most common brand.
> >
> > Here's one for under $50 from Northern Tool:
> >
> >
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?in_merch=1&storeId=6970&productId=357081&R=357081
> > http://tinyurl.com/dmq7q
> >
> > This pump is rated at 1 gpm (60 gph) at 40 psi. More than twice that
> > at the low pressure involved in this system. The pump will draw about
> > 2 amps at 12 volts at low pressure.
>
> Silent? Hmm. I have a very similar diaghram pump right here,
> actually a Jabsco/Flojet LF series. It's what I would call "noisy"
> and also produces quite a lot of vibration. It also seems to consume
> a lot of power and the motor runs hotter than I'd like even with
> little or no pressure to overcome. The Shurflo might be radically
> better but I'd be surprised if it was.
>
> By contrast, the "car heater circulation pumps" which are used for
> liquid cooling on my EV, have been on the car for 35k miles (they run
> all the time while charging too) and are still almost inaudible, even
> listening at the front grill of the car which the pumps are just
> behind.
>
> I've taken these pumps from high end cars at the scrap yard before,
> for use in solar experiments. They take about half an Amp at 12V.
> They are impeller type pumps and in my opinion are definitely better
> suited to this task. You can be sure they are compatible with
> anti-freeze, for one thing.
>
> I'm pretty sure that this is the sort of pump that Ryan is selling,
> and would recommend it for EV use based on my experience.
>
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Hi Victor,
I am interested in acquiring about 18 - 20 batteries.
I'm located in San Jose, California. Please let me
know once the logistics has been figured out. BTW,
bundling the battery with the charger is a good idea.
You can contact me off list at the addr given below.
Regards,
Shyam.
(shyamg*at*yahoo*dot*com)
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> Hi All,
>
> If anyone would like to get these Ovonic's 85Ah
> NiMH batteries,
> I'll have some available. I have to pick them up
> from out of state,
> so to avoid many trips I want to get in as many as
> people will
> need at once. The price is $170 each, pulled from
> the stock for
> GM's S10 and EV1 gen II fleet - Ovonic happen to
> have made many
> more battery packs than fleet vehicles intended to
> use them.
>
> Most of the batteries are brand new, but some were
> installed in S10 trucks, in which case got <10k
> miles on them.
> There is no detectable performance difference
> between these
> and never used ones. Quantity is limited.
> 13.2V nom, 11 cells; 15-1/2 L x 7-3/4 H x 3-7/8 W,
> 38 lb each.
>
> Few photos:
> http://www.metricmind.com/misc/nimh1.jpg
> http://www.metricmind.com/misc/nimh2.jpg
> http://www.metricmind.com/misc/nimh3.jpg
>
> Anyone interested please contact me off list. It
> will take some
> time to get them and initially cycle them.
>
> Victor
>
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Here's Mr. Boesel's reply to my letter.
Glad to hear about their belief, "there is a strong role for both EVs and
PHEVs in helping us achieve our mission."
But hasn't there been active exclusion of BEV/PHEV technology in favor of
HFC activity at the state level? Why yes, there has.
Always good to know those guys at the top not only know what's best for us,
but they always act with our best interest in mind as well.
Gosh, I'll sure sleep well tonight!
Marv
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From: "John Boesel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:19:04 -0700
To: "Marvin Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Matt Peak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: CALSTART's Conference in LA Dec. 1st
Marvin,
CALSTART is supportive of all fuels and technologies that will improve
air quality, reduce dependence on oil, prevent global warming, and
create jobs. We fully believe there is a strong role for both EVs and
PHEVs in helping us achieve our mission.
Relative to our one-day conference on December 1, if that's what you're
referring to, it's impossible to adequately cover all of the
technologies and fuels that will help achieve those goals in California.
Thus, we're probably going to stay away from any specific presentations
on any single technology or fuel. Instead, we're developing an agenda
that will focus on the actions necessary for all of the emerging fuels
and technologies to be adopted and for California to move toward a more
secure and environmentally friendly transportation energy future.
I'm glad you'll be coming to the conference.
John
PS: I've received three emails similar to yours. It strikes me that this
effort is trying to convince CALSTART of something we already believe
in.
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From: Marvin Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 1:50 PM
To: John Boesel
Subject: CALSTART's Conference in LA Dec. 1st
Dear Mr. Boesel:
Please consider having some proponents of battery-electric (BEVs) and
plug-in hybrid (PHEVs) vehicles at the conference this year.
As a BEV will travel about four times as far as a hydrogen fuel-cell car
given the same amount of energy, it seems as though the state of CA is
presently embarking on a costly boondoggle with this whole "hydrogen
highway" thing.
We need someone to help spread the word that AeronVironment (a
California
company) makes chargers that can charge vehicles in the time it takes
for
you to stretch your legs and buy a Coke. Their chargers keep the luggage
tractors working down at LAX.
And you can build one of those charging stations for $50,000. Last I
heard,
hydrogen refueling stations were $1,000,000.
And even George Ballard, who has built more fuel-cells than any of us
will
ever see, has been quoted as saying: "The American garage will be the
last
place you see fuel-cells being used".
My family drives battery-electric vehicles which are charged with solar
panels on top of the garage. We haven't been to a gas station in three
years, and it's a great feeling being able to disconnect from
non-renewable
petroleum dependence.
Hope to see you at the conference.
Sincerely,
J. Marvin Campbell
4248 Vinton Ave.
Culver City, CA 90232
310.838.0131
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Hey Keith:
Good to hear from you. I am SO on for this idea. Probably do more good than
the last time we flash-cruised the LA Auto Show.
Mark it on your calender. Put me in your rolo.
I'm cross posting this to the RAV4 group as well.
Any other rabble-rousers out there in SoCal interested?
If anybody need to charge here, I've got SPI and a 14-50.
Helms Bakery, down the street, has SPI and AVCON.
Downtown at DWP, fairly close to the Convention Center, they have SPIs and
maybe some LPIs, as well as 120v.
Where are you located?
We're in Culver City.
Marv
> From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:44:38 -0700 (PDT)
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: FW: CALSTART's Conference in LA Dec. 1st
>
> Hi Marv,
> since there are quite a few of us EV drivers in the
> SoCal area possibly we could stage a drive in and make
> some news for BEV or PHEV cars/motorcycles. I
> normally work on thursdays but might take a personal
> day and bring an EV to LA just for show. If you can
> get a few more maybe it would be worth it as I too
> believe Cal is being sold a bill of goods and will
> throw millions/billions/ away on a boondoggle that
> will hurt alternative transportation if you want you
> can e-mail me off list and i will work asking my ev
> friends if they would be interested
>
> --- Marvin Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
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Here's Mr. Boesel's reply and my follow-up.
My apologies to all the many non-CA list members, but our state is in the
process of spending hundreds of millions on H refueling stations for cars
that won't be available (to us) for many years, if ever.
I've had several replies regarding people in LA or close by, wanting to
attend the conference, or stage an EV drive-by/flashmob.
If you're planning on coming around for this event, please let me know.
Perhaps we can orchestrate something that might attract some media attention
in order that we might inform the masses about all the technical potholes in
the hydrogen highway.
Marv
Culver City, CA
----------
From: Marvin Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:57:07 -0700
To: John Boesel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CALSTART's Conference in LA Dec. 1st
Hi John:
Thanks so much for your reply.
I believe we're on the same page here, but some on the BEV-bandwagon have
felt slighted in the past by what many perceive as active exclusion of BEVs
in favor of HFCVs on the state level.
Don't get me wrong. I love the idea of the H economy, however, to exclude
any proven time-honored technology (BEV or otherwise) in favor of another,
more politically expedient and fashionable one (i.e., "the hydrogen
highway") is short-sighted.
Particularly when the more fashionable technology happens to use four times
more energy, derives it's fuel from petroleum, and, as an extra bonus, it's
not even available to the end user, and probably won't be for another
decade.
We both know it's not going to be one magic bullet that rights all our
wrongs, but a variety of different technologies and alternative fuels.
It's unfortunate that one of those technologies, the hydrogen fuel-cell, has
been put forth by many on the state level, as well as in the manufacturing
sector, as that magic bullet. But of course, like so many other magic
bullets, it's never available today, but will be available at some
indefinite point in the future.
As it wastes energy and presently derives it's fuel from oil or coal, I
believe the HFCV should not be as high on the state's list of priorities as
it is, if in fact we are trying to, "move toward a more secure and
environmentally friendly transportation energy future".
So why don't we concentrate instead on proven technology which is available
today, instead of relying on promises of future technological breakthroughs
brought to you by the same people who insist battery technology "just isn't
here yet", years after we have a BEV that can go 250 miles per charge? (see
the LiIon TZero at www.acpropulsion.com)
Like I mentioned in my previous note, we have been driving BEVs charged with
solar panels for three years. Emissions free, oil free, and easily built
with readily available over-the-counter parts...today.
Please don't allow your policy making decisions to be swayed by those whose
profit margins rely on how much energy we can waste, or by those who seek to
obfuscate the facts with smoke and mirrors in order to continue conducting
business as usual. Is it really any wonder the biggest backers of the
"hydrogen economy" are the energy/oil companies and the automakers?
BTW, my favorite vehicle remains the bicycle- the most efficient vehicle by
far. Any plans in the works for improved bike-lanes?:^O
Thanks Again,
Marv
"As far as I know, no one who is technically literate is an
enthusiastic supporter of fuel-cell-powered vehicles."
-Donald R. Sadoway
Professor of materials engineering and faculty fellow at the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and a nationally recognized
battery expert.
"I doubt I will ever see a hydrogen car for personal consumption in a
showroom. I said this years ago and see no reason to change my mind:
The family-owned, garaged vehicle is the last vehicle that's going to
get a fuel cell. "
-Geoffrey Ballard
"Hydrogen cars are a poor short-term strategy, and it's not even clear
that they are a good idea in the long term."
-Alexander Farrell,
Assistant professor of energy and resources at the University of
California, Berkeley.
on 10.16.05 11:19 AM, John Boesel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Marvin,
>
> CALSTART is supportive of all fuels and technologies that will improve
> air quality, reduce dependence on oil, prevent global warming, and
> create jobs. We fully believe there is a strong role for both EVs and
> PHEVs in helping us achieve our mission.
>
> Relative to our one-day conference on December 1, if that's what you're
> referring to, it's impossible to adequately cover all of the
> technologies and fuels that will help achieve those goals in California.
> Thus, we're probably going to stay away from any specific presentations
> on any single technology or fuel. Instead, we're developing an agenda
> that will focus on the actions necessary for all of the emerging fuels
> and technologies to be adopted and for California to move toward a more
> secure and environmentally friendly transportation energy future.
>
> I'm glad you'll be coming to the conference.
>
> John
>
> PS: I've received three emails similar to yours. It strikes me that this
> effort is trying to convince CALSTART of something we already believe
> in.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marvin Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 1:50 PM
> To: John Boesel
> Subject: CALSTART's Conference in LA Dec. 1st
>
> Dear Mr. Boesel:
>
> Please consider having some proponents of battery-electric (BEVs) and
> plug-in hybrid (PHEVs) vehicles at the conference this year.
>
> As a BEV will travel about four times as far as a hydrogen fuel-cell car
> given the same amount of energy, it seems as though the state of CA is
> presently embarking on a costly boondoggle with this whole "hydrogen
> highway" thing.
>
> We need someone to help spread the word that AeronVironment (a
> California
> company) makes chargers that can charge vehicles in the time it takes
> for
> you to stretch your legs and buy a Coke. Their chargers keep the luggage
> tractors working down at LAX.
>
> And you can build one of those charging stations for $50,000. Last I
> heard,
> hydrogen refueling stations were $1,000,000.
>
> And even George Ballard, who has built more fuel-cells than any of us
> will
> ever see, has been quoted as saying: "The American garage will be the
> last
> place you see fuel-cells being used".
>
> My family drives battery-electric vehicles which are charged with solar
> panels on top of the garage. We haven't been to a gas station in three
> years, and it's a great feeling being able to disconnect from
> non-renewable
> petroleum dependence.
>
> Hope to see you at the conference.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> J. Marvin Campbell
> 4248 Vinton Ave.
> Culver City, CA 90232
> 310.838.0131
>
>
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Does anyone know anything about this company or their
products?
http://www.chiway-battery.com
Jimmy
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do we have to sign up and/or pay a fee to go to this
conference..f so do you know where we sign up and what
the requisites for participation might be...???
--- Marvin Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Here's Mr. Boesel's reply to my letter.
>
> Glad to hear about their belief, "there is a strong
> role for both EVs and
> PHEVs in helping us achieve our mission."
>
> But hasn't there been active exclusion of BEV/PHEV
> technology in favor of
> HFC activity at the state level? Why yes, there has.
>
> Always good to know those guys at the top not only
> know what's best for us,
> but they always act with our best interest in mind
> as well.
>
> Gosh, I'll sure sleep well tonight!
>
> Marv
>
>
> ----------
> From: "John Boesel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:19:04 -0700
> To: "Marvin Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Matt Peak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: CALSTART's Conference in LA Dec. 1st
>
> Marvin,
>
> CALSTART is supportive of all fuels and technologies
> that will improve
> air quality, reduce dependence on oil, prevent
> global warming, and
> create jobs. We fully believe there is a strong
> role for both EVs and
> PHEVs in helping us achieve our mission.
>
> Relative to our one-day conference on December 1, if
> that's what you're
> referring to, it's impossible to adequately cover
> all of the
> technologies and fuels that will help achieve those
> goals in California.
> Thus, we're probably going to stay away from any
> specific presentations
> on any single technology or fuel. Instead, we're
> developing an agenda
> that will focus on the actions necessary for all of
> the emerging fuels
> and technologies to be adopted and for California to
> move toward a more
> secure and environmentally friendly transportation
> energy future.
>
> I'm glad you'll be coming to the conference.
>
> John
>
> PS: I've received three emails similar to yours. It
> strikes me that this
> effort is trying to convince CALSTART of something
> we already believe
> in.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marvin Campbell
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 1:50 PM
> To: John Boesel
> Subject: CALSTART's Conference in LA Dec. 1st
>
> Dear Mr. Boesel:
>
> Please consider having some proponents of
> battery-electric (BEVs) and
> plug-in hybrid (PHEVs) vehicles at the conference
> this year.
>
> As a BEV will travel about four times as far as a
> hydrogen fuel-cell car
> given the same amount of energy, it seems as though
> the state of CA is
> presently embarking on a costly boondoggle with this
> whole "hydrogen
> highway" thing.
>
> We need someone to help spread the word that
> AeronVironment (a
> California
> company) makes chargers that can charge vehicles in
> the time it takes
> for
> you to stretch your legs and buy a Coke. Their
> chargers keep the luggage
> tractors working down at LAX.
>
> And you can build one of those charging stations for
> $50,000. Last I
> heard,
> hydrogen refueling stations were $1,000,000.
>
> And even George Ballard, who has built more
> fuel-cells than any of us
> will
> ever see, has been quoted as saying: "The American
> garage will be the
> last
> place you see fuel-cells being used".
>
> My family drives battery-electric vehicles which are
> charged with solar
> panels on top of the garage. We haven't been to a
> gas station in three
> years, and it's a great feeling being able to
> disconnect from
> non-renewable
> petroleum dependence.
>
> Hope to see you at the conference.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> J. Marvin Campbell
> 4248 Vinton Ave.
> Culver City, CA 90232
> 310.838.0131
>
>
>
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