EV Digest 4915
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Monster Garage Show Looking for Ampheads
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) 8" vs 7" motor
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: affordable kit option for scratch builders
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) PFC-20/30 charger as a External Portable Charger?
by Mark Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: AWD electric car??
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) EBEAA: Meeting this Saturday, 11/19 - 10 to 12 in Alameda, CA
by Ed Thorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Please IGNORE Neon John (was: Re: Just Joshin' Electric-car
driver ...)
by "Joe Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Low rolling resistance tires
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Battery Beach Burnout (FL Race) Update
by Lowell Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: Low rolling resistance tires
by "Christopher Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Practical Range extending
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: Monster Garage Show Looking for Ampheads
by "Christopher Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Practical Range extending
by jerry halstead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: VW Passat for conversion?
by Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: PFC-20/30 charger as a External Portable Charger?
by "Adams, Lynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Practical Range extending
by Chris Martens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) EVLN(AAA Offering cleancarmaps Refuel Info)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Low rolling resistance tires
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) RE: Monster Garage Show Looking for Ampheads
by "Paschke, Stephen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) RE: Monster Garage Show Looking for Ampheads
by "Paschke, Stephen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I am working on a similar concept. One thought is if you use wheel
motors in back, removing the solid rear axle and replacing with
independent rear suspension it frees up a lot of room under the hood for
batteries to be kept low?
Brushles DC motors have good torque off the line but go to sleep pretty
quick, so a high voltage system would be needed,
Since we would be getting rid of the heavy muscle car rear end the heavy
rear wheel motors wouldn't be too bad of a penalty. we could then use
1/2 size wheel motors up front.
I can't find wheel motors, they are either vaporware or the companies
just ignore email and voice messages. So thinking of frameless servo kit
motors and build our own. These are heavier than the vaporware wheel
motors but so is a muscle car and a solid rear axle. And it allows stock
or aftermarket brakes and rims: go like hell, stop like hell, but don't
look like hell. :-)
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Hi,
I was curious on a direct drive 1400lb 72V vehicle whether it would be better
for a 7" or 8" motor. The Cushman ZEV originally came with a GE 6.7" motor so
I was wondering whether to stay with that (an Advance DC 6.7" series motor) or
go with an 8" for better torque. There are two 6.7" one rated at 10hp and the
other at 13hp which I assume is better. Also I think a 6.7" motor would spin
faster without problems than an 8" 16hp, BUT the 8" would have better initial
torque in startoff but would it be OK at the high end 4k-5k rpms?
Thanks, Mark
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I was curious, How do you get into and out of it, I don't see any doors?
Also where's the roof, it rains here? It looks good though if I can get
doors & a roof or canvas top.
Thanks, Mark
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From: "Carl Clifford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:35 AM
Subject: affordable kit option for scratch builders
> Just a heads up - i'm not affiliated, just thought it might interest
someone.
>
> Here's a clean looking kit that fits on a beetle pan and it's quite
affordable. If you drop 1000 lbs using it and then add it back with
batteries, maybe you don't need any suspension/brake mods and parts are
cheap.
>
> http://bluesteelperformance.net/
>
> Carl Clifford
> grinless in Denver
>
>
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It has gotten to the point that I need 3 chargers for different voltages and I
have a pretty poor selection of outlets with no room to add a circuit. ($1200
is the lowest price for a new subpanel and new outlets)
With that in mind I was dreaming of a PFC charger instead as it may save money
in the long run. I have a russco with a boost converter which treats me well
enough but is too weak to equalize my 126volt pack with my electric service. I
have a 5amp variac for charging my 48volt mower by hand which I guess I could
use for my 72+ volt motorcycle when it gets done.
On http://www.manzanitamicro.com/chargers3.htm it says "The charger output can
be adjusted for any charging voltage from 12 volts to 450 volts with the twist
of a 20 turn trimmer pot"
I know it is more meants for when you change voltage on the vehicle it is
mounted in but could this be used to charge 3 different voltages routinely?
126 volts, 72 volts, 48 volts?
It would mostly be 126 or 72 depending on what I was driving that week. Once a
week during mowing season it would be 48volts. I can really only use one
charger at a time due to only having one outlet. Has anyone used the PFC with
multiple packs? Is it an easy thing to do on an ongoing basis? Any tricks to
making it more foolproof so I don't roast my packs by turning the dial wrong. I
know powerwise I won't get all the PFC could put out but at least I can get all
I can out of the outlet with it.
Thanks,
Mark Hastings
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Hello to All,
It has already been done. "Gone Postal" www.suckamps.com runs all
wheel drive. Two Zilla Z2ks, three motors, and four twelve inch wide
Nitto extreme drag radials and weighs well over two tons and still
boils all four tires. We still have traction problems to deal with now
that we stopped breaking axles. I believe Shawn Lawless runs a four
wheel drive dragster where all four wheels are in the rear and two in
front.
And for the other point of view.....White Zombie is rear wheel drive and
routinely trounces 400+ hp all wheel drive Eclipses and Subes off the
line. Their 60 ft. times are in the 1.90-1.85 area, White Zombie has
pulled 1.59, and typically is in the low 1.6 region!
The above said, so as to keep the record straight, I'm a fan of all
wheel drive, as witnessed by the Wayland Family's all wheel drive Sube
Legacy wagon and Jeep 4 X 4 race car tow rig. The Sube spanks the Jeep
in bad weather traction and capability, hands down.
In theory, all wheel drive 'should' rule at the strip, but in practice,
it's still rear wheel drive that plants a car best off the line. I
suppose that if no extra weight and drive train efficiency losses were
added in the process, White Zombie might benefit from powering the front
wheels if we could keep them on the ground :-)
See Ya....John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
http://www.plasmaboyracing.com
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*********START OF MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT***********
Topic: Ford Ranger EV returning to the Roads
Date: Saturday, Nov 19, 2004, 10 am to 12 noon.
Location: Alameda First Baptist Church
1515 Santa Clara Ave, Alameda
Visitors welcome, open to the public.
Ford has begun distributing their previously leased
Ranger EVs through their lottery system. And other
Ranger EVs are coming up for sale on Ebay and other
sources. It's great that another production EV
(besides the popular Toyota RAV4 EV) and returning to
the roads, after the successful efforts of
DontCrush.com (Thanks!).
Come join the discussion of how this re-emergence is
progressing and how does one hand servicing issues,
etc. And how can we pressure the automakers to return
to producing EVs? What is the automaker's current
focus on hybrids?
We will also have our annual election of Chapter
Officers and planning for next year's Rallies and
meeting topics. Let us know what you feel are
important issues to present and discuss.
After the meeting we have EVs on display in the
parking lot and
plenty of opportunities for Q&A.
Separate from the meeting, but in-line with our
mission, is a Green Festival event, promoting
alternative fuel vehicles and solar, located nearby in
Oakland. They have provided parking for 10+ EVs to
attend anytime from 12-6pm.
http://www.whynotsolar.org/events.html
http://www.ebeaa.org
**********END OF MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT************
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I have to agree with this post!
Joseph H. Strubhar
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
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From: "Mark Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: Please IGNORE Neon John (was: Re: Just Joshin' Electric-car
driver ...)
> The thing is, Neon John is not a troll.
> He's a guy that knows his technical stuff and has contributed a lot of
> useful information.
> I don't think he's going to go away because he is genuinely interested
> in the discussion that goes on here.
>
> He also has an abrasive sense of humour and loves a good argument (or
> even a bad one :-).
> Unfortunately, this has put him at odds with the list admin amongst
> others.
>
> So to slightly modify Peter's advice - Just try to ignore NJ's posts
> that gets up your nose.
>
> And to NJ (from one guy that has gotten in trouble saying inappropriate
> stuff to another)
> Write it - laugh at it - then hit delete, not send.
>
> Mark
> (No matter how funny it may seem at the time, it is not a good career
> move to suggest to your boss that his wife may like to sample the local
> male prostitutes while holidaying in the Mediterranean)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Peter VanDerWal
> Sent: Thursday, 17 November 2005 10:12 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Please IGNORE Neon John (was: Re: Just Joshin' Electric-car
> driver ...)
>
>
> Other message boards I've been on have a phrase for this:
> DFTT (Don't Feed The Trolls).
>
> Just like wild bears, if you don't feed him (i.e. respond to his posts),
> he'll get bored and wander off.
>
>
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What tire pressure did you run? Stock or did you fill to max? I suspect
low tire inflation is the culprit. Every bad report on these tires mentions
all the symptoms of underinflation. I have read reports of these tires
going 50k so I know it can be done if you are careful. I suspect they are
real suseptable to weardue to bad alignments. LR>...............
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From: "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: Low rolling resistance tires
On Nov 17, 2005, at 5:54 PM, Edward Ang wrote:
However, the RE92 only lasted 20,000 miles partly
because the alignment was not quite right. This time,
we switched to use the tires on the Insight and get a
life time alignment for a little extra.
I keep reading these type of reports on the original Prius tire (Potenza
RE92 P175/65R14 84XL). The ones on my wife's 2002 Prius now have over
38,000 miles. They are still WA legal (we require 3/32 inch of tread
instead of 1/16th inch.) They will not be for much longer. I'm still
scratching my head on all the reports of poor life for these tires.
Paul "neon" G.
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Hello Charles, I am here. Yeah you're right I usually don't post, I just look.
Thanks for the offer to charge. We will trailering our twin motor Porsche,
It's a bit far to drive then compete running on 240 volts worth of Orbitals.
You can get in touch with me here or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks again.
Charles Whalen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Shawn,
Great stuff and way to go for organizing this EVent, which I'm looking
forward to! I have two Toyota RAV4-EVs that my wife and I use as our daily
drivers, one or possibly both of which (depending on the potential interest)
I would like to bring to the Show & Shine event from Noon to 4pm on
Saturday, January 21. These would obviously not be in consideration for any
of those awards you mention because they are OEM vehicles and not something
I designed and created myself, unlike all the other entries. Nevertheless,
I thought it might be of some interest for the media and the public to see
what is (or rather what *was*, but still could be) possible in an
OEM-produced EV. I am not interested in any type of racing, however, since
with an anemic 17 second 0-to-60 time, there's really not much point in
that! However, if there is any interest in using either of my RAV4-EVs for
infield duty or other type of service, I am willing to provide them for that
purpose.
I might actually be able to drive my RAVs up to Moroso and back on a single
charge, but it would be a little tight, and that wouldn't allow for anything
other than being parked on static display while there (which would preclude
the possibility of giving people rides, which I am always willing to do).
So I would like to ask you: What are the possibilities for charging at or
near Moroso?
I have a portabilized TAL inductive charger that has a 14-50 plug on it with
neutral shorted to ground inside the plug, and I have 50 ft. of 10/3 cable
with a 14-50 receptacle on one end and a 10-30 plug on the other end. This
is very convenient for plugging into a 240V/30A dryer circuit as I did here
initially until I got a new, dedicated circuit put in for the TAL. I could
also make up a 10/3 cable with 14-50's on both ends (with neutral floating),
but I'm not supposed to plug the TAL into a circuit with anything greater
than a 40A breaker, i.e. a 50A breaker (which is usually on a circuit with a
14-50 outlet) might be a problem. I'll have to check with the RAV4 list
on that. It might be OK to do so in a pinch on a one-time basis. So
basically my preferences for what I would need for charging at or near
Moroso are either a 240V/30A circuit with a 10-30 outlet or a 240V/40A
circuit with a 14-50 outlet. Another important thing is that any such
circuit must *not* have a GFCI on it (like a hot-tub GFCI or anything like
that) or else the TAL will not work since it has its own internal GFCI which
will cause it to constantly trip if there's another GFCI on the line.
My charging MO will be to place the TAL down on the ground near the front of
the car (where the charge port is located) and then run a 50 ft. 10/3 cable
to a suitable 10-30 or 14-50 outlet. I had some concerns about this, but
that is actually how the RAV drivers out in California do it on longer trips
where they won't have access to the public charging network.
So are there any such charging possibilities up there at or near Moroso?
And if so, how many such charging circuits are there, and what do you expect
the demand to be for using those circuits by other EVs in attendance? (I
need about 5 hours for a full charge but will probably only need about 2.5
hours to opportunity charge once I arrive there since I should be just a
little over half charge.)
(I guess I should probably arrive early in the morning on Saturday to make
sure I can get in my charges.)
Finally, as I think I may have mentioned to you before, I've opened the
first (and so far the only) public charging station in the state of Florida,
as listed on EV Charger News' national listing of public charging stations.
You can see the entry for my charging station at:
www.evchargernews.com/regions/33445_1.htm. This might be convenient for
Cliff Rassweiler of ProEV in Miami and/or Lowell Simmons of Miramar High
School if they are planning to actually drive (as opposed to trailer) their
EVs up to Moroso as I am about to halfway to Moroso for both of them. So
they are more than welcome to stop in here for a charge on their way, if
they'd like. I've got a 240V/40A dedicated circuit with a 14-50 outlet and
also a 240V/30A dedicated circuit with a 10-30 outlet, both of which do not
have GCFIs on them. I've cc'ed Cliff on this message, but I don't have
Lowell's email address and have never seen him post on the EVDL, so you
might want to pass this along to him. Anyone else from Dade or Broward
counties who's driving an EV up to Moroso is also welcome to stop in and
charge here, whether I'm here or not. Map and directions are included on my
EV Charger News station listing at the link above.
Oh yeah, one last thing, I almost forgot. I won't be participating in the
EV Autocross Race on Friday afternoon, but I would be interested in getting
together with you guys for the EV Social EVent at or near the beach
afterwards. Have you decided on the time and location of that yet?
See you there,
Charles Whalen
Delray Beach, FL
On Monday, November 14, 2005 9:03 AM, Shawn Waggoner wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I wanted to give everyone an update on the upcoming Battery Beach Burnout
> Event taking place in FL next January 21st. The new website is up, but
> still
> needs some work. The website with all the information about the race is
> at:
>
> http://www.batterybeach.com
>
> The event plans are to have a show and shine competition Saturday
> afternoon
> at the race track and the drag race Saturday night. The Show and Shine
> will
> start at Noon and go till 4:00PM, gates for the race open at 4:30 with
> racing starting at 5:00PM. Prizes and awards for the Show and Shine will
> be
> given for "Best Engineered Car", "Viewer's Choice", "Participants Choice"
> and others. The viewer's and participant's choice will be by ballot from
> the
> public and attendees voting for their favorite. Awards and trophies for
> all
> the events will be given Saturday night after the drag race at the award
> ceremony.
>
> In an attempt to have a bigger event and media draw, we are scheduling
> this
> year's event to be a two-day competition! Friday, January 20th, in the
> afternoon, we will be having an EV Autocross Race near the track. Friday
> night after the Autocross, we will be having a Social / EV Get-together
> near
> the beach for all the attendees with their EV's. (Where else can you hang
> out near the beach with a bunch EV's???)
>
> Having both events would not be possible without the die-hard efforts of
> two
> of South Florida's EV'ers, Matt Graham and Lowell Simmons. I'd like to
> thank
> them both for all of their hard work and inspiration! I'd also like to
> thank
> Chip Gribben for the awesome graphic for the race and website!!!
>
> The two day event will be packed with competitions, races and fun. We are
> hoping to have several high school and college teams, as well as the
> professional or individual racers.
>
> If anyone is planning on attending, or would like more information, please
> email us at: race_at_batterybeach.com
>
> Thanks and hope to see everyone in Florida next January for the
> Southeast's
> biggest EVent!
>
>
> Shawn Waggoner
> NEDRA South East Coordinator
> Battery Beach Burnout Organizer
> www.batterybeach.com
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Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> So if heavy sidewalls are out looks like LT's are out. They are
heavily
> built. I could get Hercules tires 14" LT's. The only small truck LT
> made(85psi) or a set of Potenza's. There are a few others but I am
still
> trolling for the right tire. I'd like to see someone's data to
support my
> tire choice. 14inch 185's 25.5 inch diameter. I just looked at the
> Hercules site and it seems they dropped their 14 inch LT line.
Lawrence
> Rhodes.......Still looking..........
Hi Lawrence,
We're oversimplifying here. The goal (or one of them anyway) is to
reduce the drag caused by the sidewalls flexing. Stiff sidewalls flex
less, so that's a viable approach. (This is proven by the fact that the
vehicle with probably the lowest rolling resistance is a train - cast
iron wheels on rails flex almost not at all.) Very flexible sidewalls
might flex more, but offer very little resistance when they do - another
viable approach.
Tires are one subject where almost anything you say can be "proven"
right or wrong by listing individual examples. You simply can't make
blanket statements and expect them to be valid. There are too many
overlapping factors affecting the same characteristics.
The only solution is to measure the rolling resistance and report it.
The tire companies have this information, but certainly aren't going to
publish it. Consumer Reports supposedly measures it, but they only
offer those idiotic dots meaning poor/fair/average/good/excellent. No
numbers, no indication of the spread from poor to excellent, not even a
test method. Might someone contact their engineers to get more details?
Chris
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Hi Chris, Jerry and All,
jerry halstead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Chris,
Have you tried running numbers for it with Uve's calculator?
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/8679/evcalc.html
I usually put in a 2% grade.
2% is a little much, 1 % would be better along with 0% grade.
But his range is just not going to be good.
-Jerry
http://www.evconvert.com/
On Nov 17, 2005, at 11:18 PM, Chris Martens wrote:
>> Is 4kw (5.4 hp) average power realistic? What vehicle....
>
> It's a Geo Metro that I've stripped all possible weight out of.
> When it runs I'll
> put it on the scales, but I'm estimating a total of 1700lbs. 4KW
> average draw is
> a hope, maybe 6-8 is more realistic.
At 50 mph, 6-8kw is more likely. But 4 YT's are not going to take
you far, just a few miles, well under 10. They have less capacity, about 25
amphrs useable, per lb than flooded batts and just don't have enough lead.
Much better would be 8 t125's, 150+ amphrs useable, would probably
get you 25-35 mile range needed for even a hybrid.. They are much easier,
cheaper to charge also with a much longer, lower life cost. In fact 8 T125's
cost about the same as 4 YT's.
I'm trying to get away with
> an Etek and 4
An E tek wouldn't even power my 1,000 lb E woody so isn't going to
work for you. I replaced it with a 3.5 hp series motor that works fine Vs the E
teks 9hp rating. That's the difference between PM/shunt motors and series
motors.
Maybe 2 of them with a transmission, but not one. They are eff and
with a regen controller or 2 like the Sevcon Millipak, can help your range and
recharge your batts from the gas motor.
Go with say a hotrodded, tuned 9hp Robin/variable pulley trans
system like the Comet connected to the E tek shafts, and you might have
something worth doing for a reasonable price. Get to know your local Go cart
racing builders as they can help you with the gas motor hotrodding, trans part.
With this set up you can just run the ICE motor full blast when
needed, recharging the batts when the power for driving isn't needed.
Since you can use your transmission's neutral/ clutch, you can charge
the batts while parked too.
You could have a top speed of say 65 mph and unlimited range at a
quite high mpg of probably over 80 mpg with LLR tires and aero mods..
HTH's,
Jerry Dycus
> Optima yellow tops. a 15-20mi around town range might be realistic
> without any
> generator.
>
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Chip Gribben wrote:
> The build team won't know until the first day of the project. They
> are looking for an EV expert and they plan to bring on a muscle car
> expert. The others will be mechanics and fabricators.
Hmmm.
Could be problematic, stemming from the ignorant belief that cars is
cars, and an EV has to be just like an ICE to be considered "normal".
It seems to me that how this should be played will come down to budget
and weight. If this is a street custom, not a dragster, you can play up
the EV's strength by making it a holeshot monster. The problem is that
muscle cars aren't light. Sufficient torque is readily available (twin
GEs or Kostovs?), but getting it to the ground won't be cheap.
Maybe you could build some tension by having the EV crew mercilessly
beat Jesse with verbal abuse about the wimpy drivetrain parts in the
typical "muscle" car. "Jesse! I said *800* foot pounds of torque! Do
the freakin' math!" Jesse doesn't believe it, the car gets built with
standard stuff and the EV crew proceeds to snap the axle internals like
a pretzel.
Impressive to some, but not a visually satisfying a conclusion. Whoever
gets picked for this should run through some possible scenarios so
they're ready for the situation they are ultimately presented with.
Lead times should also be considered. A Warp 13 might be decided upon,
but how long does it take to get one?
Chris
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On Nov 18, 2005, at 10:19 AM, jerry dycus wrote:
2% is a little much, 1 % would be better along with 0% grade.
But his range is just not going to be good.
Hi Jerry,
Are you kidding? Here in New Hampshire our commute is uphill BOTH
ways! ":^)
http://jerryrig.com/log/a1261
-Jerry
http://www.evconvert.com/
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Sean Taylor writes:
>
> I have the chance to buy a 2000 (or something around there) passat in
> decent condition for really cheap just because the ICE is blown (no need
> for that anyway!!). I was just wondering what people thought of this as a
> car for conversion. I don't have a whole lot of information about it
> right now, I'll be finding out more tomorrow. I'm guessing it's just the
> FWD version, and had the 1.8L inline 4. I'd rather have a car with RWD,
> but you take what you can get, right? :)
Sean,
You mention that you'd "rather have a car with RWD". This brings up my main
criteria for a conversion candidate - do you like the base vehicle or not?
If not, keep looking...
Ralph
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Mark,
I have a PFC 20 charge that I use installed in the car. The voltage
selection is done by a 20 turn trim pot, which works fine for the
occasional equalizing charge, but could be over stressed with routine
movement. In you situation, I would replace the trim pot with selected
resistors that meet your charging equipments and have a good quality
switch to switch between them (include one position on the switch to
route to the trim pot and you retain all the functionality of the
original PFC 20).
As Rich Rudman is building the PFC's to order, he may be willing to work
with you on this or even be able to incorporate such a switch inside the
case.
Lynn
Lynn Adams
50,700 miles on the electric civic since March 2002.
with PFC20 charger number 17
See my 100% electric car at http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/379.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Hastings
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 7:32 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: PFC-20/30 charger as a External Portable Charger?
It has gotten to the point that I need 3 chargers for different voltages
and I have a pretty poor selection of outlets with no room to add a
circuit. ($1200 is the lowest price for a new subpanel and new outlets)
With that in mind I was dreaming of a PFC charger instead as it may save
money in the long run. I have a russco with a boost converter which
treats me well enough but is too weak to equalize my 126volt pack with
my electric service. I have a 5amp variac for charging my 48volt mower
by hand which I guess I could use for my 72+ volt motorcycle when it
gets done.
On http://www.manzanitamicro.com/chargers3.htm it says "The charger
output can be adjusted for any charging voltage from 12 volts to 450
volts with the twist of a 20 turn trimmer pot"
I know it is more meants for when you change voltage on the vehicle it
is mounted in but could this be used to charge 3 different voltages
routinely?
126 volts, 72 volts, 48 volts?
It would mostly be 126 or 72 depending on what I was driving that week.
Once a week during mowing season it would be 48volts. I can really only
use one charger at a time due to only having one outlet. Has anyone used
the PFC with multiple packs? Is it an easy thing to do on an ongoing
basis? Any tricks to making it more foolproof so I don't roast my packs
by turning the dial wrong. I know powerwise I won't get all the PFC
could put out but at least I can get all I can out of the outlet with
it.
Thanks,
Mark Hastings
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> >> Is 4kw (5.4 hp) average power realistic? What vehicle....
> > It's a Geo Metro that I've stripped all possible weight out of.
If I could lighten the car a good deal, I would be in much better shape. I was
just looking at the frame and was thinking I could do an old school pickup type
chassis conversion. If I cut it just behind the drivers seat at the roof posts,
I could loose the whole back end of the car, keeping only the floor pan and
suspension. I could make a jeepish snap on clear plastic back wall.
It might need a couple of bars wielded in that run from the roof to the back
floor near the suspension mounts to keep the frame stiff. There is less I can
do
in the front, other then taking off the fenders and plastic bumper. It won't be
aerodynamic, but it looks like I have little chance beating 50mph anyway.
Chris
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On Nov 18, 2005, at 7:01 AM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
What tire pressure did you run? Stock or did you fill to max? I
suspect low tire inflation is the culprit. Every bad report on these
tires mentions all the symptoms of underinflation.
I keep them at 45 psi front and 42 psi rear. I have done this since the
car was new. The max pressure is 50 psi according to the side wall.
Paul "neon" G.
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A 1972 chevy or earlier would be best. 1973 & on were much heavier.
Batteries shouldn't be a problem. They probably only need 1/4 mile range.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Chip Gribben
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Monster Garage Show Looking for Ampheads
Hi everyone,
I spoke with the casting person today and she said they actually plan
to convert a muscle era car to electric. So the challenge will be
converting a heavy car like a Camaro or Chevelle to electric. She
didn't mention a particular vehicle though just some sort of muscle
car. The build team won't know until the first day of the project. They
are looking for an EV expert and they plan to bring on a muscle car
expert. The others will be mechanics and fabricators.
So it will be a definite challenge converting a heavy car to electric.
The other challenge will be Jesse's take on the whole idea of doing an
electric powered car. As everyone knows he likes loud powerful engines
and building custom exhaust systems for his projects. This will be the
first muscle car he builds without headers or an exhaust system. What's
he going to do with himself during the show?
They actually intend to start filming in December and plan to get the
cast together within the next two weeks. So this whole thing could be
over and done with within the next month. Before Christmas at the
latest.
As I understand it, the ultimate goal isn't to drag race the car like
in Suck Amps. It's mostly just a conversion project to turn a muscle
car into an electric but I'm pretty sure Jesse James is going to want
to burn some rubber with the car so it will have to handle the torque
and some punishment.
The last thing we don't want Swag to say at the end of the show is,
"Jesse has no time for whimpy electric cars that won't go, he's got
metal to burn the next Monster Garage is just around the bend."
Chip Gribben
NEDRA Webmaster
http://www.nedra.com
From: "John Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:52:37 PM US/Eastern
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Monster Garage Show Looking for Ampheads
John Wayland wrote:
So far, it appears they want a hi pro type EV build, so
I'm all ears! I'm hoping that if they peruse the Maniac
Mazda and Plasma Boy webpages, the concept of
electric performance will hit them like a sledge hammer,
right between the eyes!
If you ever get the opportunity, show whoever is putting the
cncept together my post on EV performance in order to give
them ideas.
Monster Garage typically does things on a small budget, so
if the budget is sufficiently small(< $5,000), Dave Cloud's
Geo Metro EV may be a good starting point to draw
inspiration from if the high pro type EV is what is sought.
If the budget is more like $20k, then it's time to take a
bigger look at Maniac Mazda or White Zombie. Perhaps twin
WarP 8s, Zilla 2k, 300V of Orbitals on a custom or kit
chassis, or perhaps a rare car like a Lotus Europa. Another
good possibility would be the conversion of a Dodge Charger
Daytona, with its .28 drag coeficient, if an electric
musclecar is desired.
Maybe a buggy might be built. Imagine how fast a 1500-1800
pound vehicle could be through the 1/4 mile with twin 9s,
Zilla 2k, and 300V pack of Orbitals with big, sticky tires.
So many possibilities. Can't wait to see what happens.
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The biggest expense would be the motor. Need a big series motor for drag
racing. 1/4 mile range - use starter batteries. Why use a transmission? Use
a simple contactor controller with 2 or 3 steps.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of lyle sloan
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 4:58 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Monster Garage Show Looking for Ampheads
I have lots of questions.
Of the muscle car era vehicles which ones do you not
want? Would it be possible to use the trannies from
previous builds, if they havent trashed them?
Can the load be lightened by removing sections of
metal and replacing with fiberglass? Or if the budget
allows it, after market panels? What other weight
reduction tips can be done? Will the budget allow for
better brakes and beefy springs and better shocks?
Is there gonna be a plastic welder on the team?
This is probably where I get flamed on the next
comments:
Jessie has been known to change the criteria of the
build either by upping the deadlines or last minute
add-ons so you have to keep him interested. If Jessie
doesnt feel the build or specifically that there is a
challenge, would it be possible for 2 build teams- 1
ICE and the other E of the same style vehicle? The
ICE team does the usual engine swap and porting while
the E does the conversion. Then race down the strip.
In this proposed scenario of the loser teams, is it
possible for a fantastic finale like having the car
zapped by high voltage from an electrical source?
Wasnt there a place that tests the effects of
lightning strikes on vehicles? I thought I saw that
on mythbusters.
Lyle Sloan
EVDL Lurker and in the process of building an EM.
--- Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I spoke with the casting person today and she said
> they actually plan
> to convert a muscle era car to electric. So the
> challenge will be
> converting a heavy car like a Camaro or Chevelle to
> electric. She
> didn't mention a particular vehicle though just some
> sort of muscle
> car. The build team won't know until the first day
> of the project. They
> are looking for an EV expert and they plan to bring
> on a muscle car
> expert. The others will be mechanics and
> fabricators.
>
> So it will be a definite challenge converting a
> heavy car to electric.
> The other challenge will be Jesse's take on the
> whole idea of doing an
> electric powered car. As everyone knows he likes
> loud powerful engines
> and building custom exhaust systems for his
> projects. This will be the
> first muscle car he builds without headers or an
> exhaust system. What's
> he going to do with himself during the show?
>
> They actually intend to start filming in December
> and plan to get the
> cast together within the next two weeks. So this
> whole thing could be
> over and done with within the next month. Before
> Christmas at the
> latest.
>
> As I understand it, the ultimate goal isn't to drag
> race the car like
> in Suck Amps. It's mostly just a conversion project
> to turn a muscle
> car into an electric but I'm pretty sure Jesse James
> is going to want
> to burn some rubber with the car so it will have to
> handle the torque
> and some punishment.
>
> The last thing we don't want Swag to say at the end
> of the show is,
> "Jesse has no time for whimpy electric cars that
> won't go, he's got
> metal to burn the next Monster Garage is just around
> the bend."
>
> Chip Gribben
> NEDRA Webmaster
> http://www.nedra.com
>
>
> From: "John Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:52:37 PM US/Eastern
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Monster Garage Show Looking for
> Ampheads
>
>
> John Wayland wrote:
>
> So far, it appears they want a hi pro type EV build,
> so
> I'm all ears! I'm hoping that if they peruse the
> Maniac
> Mazda and Plasma Boy webpages, the concept of
> electric performance will hit them like a sledge
> hammer,
> right between the eyes!
>
> If you ever get the opportunity, show whoever is
> putting the
> cncept together my post on EV performance in order
> to give
> them ideas.
>
> Monster Garage typically does things on a small
> budget, so
> if the budget is sufficiently small(< $5,000), Dave
> Cloud's
> Geo Metro EV may be a good starting point to draw
> inspiration from if the high pro type EV is what is
> sought.
>
> If the budget is more like $20k, then it's time to
> take a
> bigger look at Maniac Mazda or White Zombie. Perhaps
> twin
> WarP 8s, Zilla 2k, 300V of Orbitals on a custom or
> kit
> chassis, or perhaps a rare car like a Lotus Europa.
> Another
> good possibility would be the conversion of a Dodge
> Charger
> Daytona, with its .28 drag coeficient, if an
> electric
> musclecar is desired.
>
> Maybe a buggy might be built. Imagine how fast a
> 1500-1800
> pound vehicle could be through the 1/4 mile with
> twin 9s,
> Zilla 2k, and 300V pack of Orbitals with big, sticky
> tires.
>
> So many possibilities. Can't wait to see what
> happens.
>
>
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