EV Digest 5168
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Jesse James & Monster Garage Go Lithium!!!
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Jesse James & Monster Garage Go Lithium!!!
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Paging Ralph Merwin
by "Richard Rau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Lift beds for an electric truck.
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Lift beds for an electric truck.
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Lift beds for an electric truck.
by "Tom Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re:Current Eliminator News The Sword
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
8) Re:Current Eliminator News The Sword
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Votes - how are we doin' ?
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Votes - how are we doin' ?
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
11) Re: Votes - how are we doin' ?
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Votes - how are we doin' ?
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
13) Re: Votes - how are we doin' ?
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Insurance
by Seth Rothenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Young EVer to be awarded by the White House and US EPA
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Tour de Sol Press Release
by Brian Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) re: UHMW in heater core
by "Adrian DeLeon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) AWD?
by lee parrish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: AWD?
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Votes - how are we doin' ?
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Insurance
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Current Eliminator News The Sword
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
23) What an EV filled day!
by Ricky Suiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: What an EV filled day!
by "John Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Votes - how are we doin' ?
by Stefan Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) KillaCycle history (was: Votes..) Long and perhaps boring to
most.
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) re: UHMW in heater core
by "Chris Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Yup this is the exact kind that I have, but mine have serious smoke marks on
them.
Madman
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From: "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Jesse James & Monster Garage Go Lithium!!!
Hello Ryan,
i joined what you ask for, hope this help.
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "Lightning Ryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: Jesse James & Monster Garage Go Lithium!!!
> Rich Rudman wrote:
>
> >I could bring one of my V28 lions.. should you wish to play with 28 volts
> >and 100 amps.
> >
> >I have 4, 2 came with my Combi Kit... and two followed me home.
> >2 came home with scorch marks on them. One has been diassected... I
learned
> >a LOT...
> >
> >Lion is going to be a heart ache.. Lots to be gained...much effort
needed.
> >
> >
> I'd love to see the dissected one, I couldn't bring myself to rip my one
> pack apart,
> not that I didn't try just didn't want to break it before I got a chance
> to even use it.
>
> L8r
> Ryan
>
> ps. so, did you get one of those sweet band saws?!
>
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Nope no Band saw, but I got a drill driver, the sweat Sawsall, a 28volt
light and a circular saw.
Madman
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From: "Lightning Ryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: Jesse James & Monster Garage Go Lithium!!!
> Rich Rudman wrote:
>
> >I could bring one of my V28 lions.. should you wish to play with 28 volts
> >and 100 amps.
> >
> >I have 4, 2 came with my Combi Kit... and two followed me home.
> >2 came home with scorch marks on them. One has been diassected... I
learned
> >a LOT...
> >
> >Lion is going to be a heart ache.. Lots to be gained...much effort
needed.
> >
> >
> I'd love to see the dissected one, I couldn't bring myself to rip my one
> pack apart,
> not that I didn't try just didn't want to break it before I got a chance
> to even use it.
>
> L8r
> Ryan
>
> ps. so, did you get one of those sweet band saws?!
>
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Ralph,
I enjoyed our meeting at the Wayland EV breakfast in Portland. Please send
me your contact info.
Thanks,
Richard Rau
email- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ralph Merwin
I have my MES pump mounted on the motor end bracket. This bracket is
isolated from the vehicle frame by a nice, thick rubber bushing (original
engine mounting bushing). I can hear the pump a little when the car isn't
moving, but not much otherwise. Functionally, it works very well.
Ralph
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These kits will lift the cargo box to 45 degrees angle in 10 seconds using a
12V DC hydraulic pump.
Good possibility, but what I really need is just the hinges. The
hydraulic pump and actuator would be sitting right in the middle of the
pack.
Any other places perhaps?
Chris
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Here is Mark Brueggemann's S-10 set up.
http://www.qsl.net/k5lxp/ev/evtruck/html/bedup.html
http://www.qsl.net/k5lxp/ev/evtruck/html/frames.html
It is what I was going to use for my S-10 before I decided to just remove the
bed altogether.
I have a set of drawings that Mark made, give me a day and I'll scan them and
then put them up on my website or email them directly to you, if you want.
HTH
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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From: "Christopher Zach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Lift beds for an electric truck.
>> These kits will lift the cargo box to 45 degrees angle in 10 seconds using a
>> 12V DC hydraulic pump.
> Good possibility, but what I really need is just the hinges. The
> hydraulic pump and actuator would be sitting right in the middle of the
> pack.
>
> Any other places perhaps?
> Chris
>
>
>
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Call Bob Batson ev-america.com
They have kits that include hinges brkts and lift cyl.
Tom
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From: "Christopher Zach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:45 AM
Subject: Lift beds for an electric truck.
Well, I am now the proud owner of a 94 US_Electricar S10 truck. Yes the
Dolphin is a complete basket case, as is the truck but I will manage. So
far the Dolphin has a blown charge capacitor, damage to the 120 volt
charge pump, and possible computer issues.
This can be fixed, how hard can it be?
One big question though is installing a lift/tilt bed to get to the
batteries. Any suggestions/thoughts on how to best do this? Are there
kits that can be installed; should one do welding, or can it be a
bolt-in setup?
Thanks!
Chris
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Yes live by the sword DIE by the Sword. We went 5 passes today in the ADRA
series then I fell on my own SHARP sword and went red by .002.The CE ran
perfectly all day.Run times went from 11.897 to 11.905.I did win the 1 shot
race(closet to your dial)I dialed ce at 11.90 and ran 11.903.So add another
$200 to
this years winnings against the super pro gas and alki racers.Year to date
winnings $1620.00 minus $175 in entry fees,and $12 in diesel to charge,+ wear
and
tear.I did move up in points from 6th place however.Next week I defend my NHRA
Summit points lead.I will add .005 to my delay box to cover that sharp sword.
Dennis Berube
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Dennis,
When are you going to run down here in Tucson?
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 5:35 PM
Subject: Re:Current Eliminator News The Sword
> Yes live by the sword DIE by the Sword. We went 5 passes today in the ADRA
> series then I fell on my own SHARP sword and went red by .002.The CE ran
> perfectly all day.Run times went from 11.897 to 11.905.I did win the 1 shot
> race(closet to your dial)I dialed ce at 11.90 and ran 11.903.So add another
> $200 to
> this years winnings against the super pro gas and alki racers.Year to date
> winnings $1620.00 minus $175 in entry fees,and $12 in diesel to charge,+ wear
> and
> tear.I did move up in points from 6th place however.Next week I defend my
> NHRA
> Summit points lead.I will add .005 to my delay box to cover that sharp sword.
>
> Dennis Berube
>
>
>
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Looks like Bill posted the original Killa Cycle?
It still doesn't mention 'electric' on the top 15.
Regardless of the hard-headed debate on the EVDL, Bill
has made quite an accomplishment with an EV drag bike.
I would REALLY like to see the Current Eliminator on
this site however. How about it Dennis?
> I just noticed Bill Dube's Killa cycle "click 4
> times
> now"
>
http://www.dragtimes.com/Dragster-Motorcycle-Timeslip-7621.html
>
> >
>
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mazda-RX-7-Timeslip-7519.html
> >
>
http://www.dragtimes.com/Datsun-1200-Timeslip-7484.html
> >
>
http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan-240SX-Timeslip-7382.html
> >
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In a message dated 2/11/06 6:43:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Looks like Bill posted the original Killa Cycle?
It still doesn't mention 'electric' on the top 15.
Regardless of the hard-headed debate on the EVDL, Bill
has made quite an accomplishment with an EV drag bike.
I would REALLY like to see the Current Eliminator on
this site however. How about it Dennis? >>
***Not really my style of race.
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Well, it may be a 'prom queen' contest as Neon John
said, but
it has people in Austriala talking about the #1 car
posted on the site, White Zombie. I would imagine
many muscle car types wondering what an electric car
is doing on 'their' website.
I think this is excellent advertising for EV's.
Who knows, if the CE was posted on this site you may
get battery sponsership and break into the 7's? It
may not be your style of race, but if sponsorship got
some kick ass batteries and a spot in the 7's for an
EV I would bet it it would be your style of race
:-)
Keep on kicking but in the CE!!!
Rod
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 2/11/06 6:43:32 PM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << Looks like Bill posted the original Killa Cycle?
> It still doesn't mention 'electric' on the top 15.
> Regardless of the hard-headed debate on the EVDL,
> Bill
> has made quite an accomplishment with an EV drag
> bike.
> I would REALLY like to see the Current Eliminator
> on
> this site however. How about it Dennis? >>
> ***Not really my style of race.
>
>
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In a message dated 2/11/06 8:25:01 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Subj: Re: Votes - how are we doin' ?
Date: 2/11/06 8:25:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Hower)
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Well, it may be a 'prom queen' contest as Neon John
said, but
it has people in Austriala talking about the #1 car
posted on the site, White Zombie. I would imagine
many muscle car types wondering what an electric car
is doing on 'their' website.
I think this is excellent advertising for EV's.
Who knows, if the CE was posted on this site you may
get battery sponsership and break into the 7's? It
may not be your style of race, but if sponsorship got
some kick ass batteries and a spot in the 7's for an
EV I would bet it it would be your style of race
:-)
Keep on kicking but in the CE!!!
Rod
>>
Thanks Rod for thinking of the CE,On second thought if I can keep my lead in
NHRA Summit points going for a while I think I would feel better about puting
her up there(something truely to brag about cause this bracket racing seems
harder to me than breaking et records) but I would like to see a fair and
square
voting contest on her behalf.7s are likely after july.Thanks again for your
unending support.Dennis
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<<.7s are likely after july.>>
OK, last racing post for the night (PS, that should
have been kicking butt in the CE, I guess Steve Clunn
writing is rubbing off on me!).
Obviously you have something up your sleeve for 7s
after July.
I won't ask for details on the list, but this sounds
pretty interesting. Looking forward to the results.
I guess 1/4 mile times aren't the most important,
getting points in bracket racing is pretty impressive.
Best of wishes for a good season.
Every time I read your progress reports about the CE
it always makes me wonder what the ICE car drivers are
thinking!
Rod
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> In a message dated 2/11/06 8:25:01 PM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << Subj: Re: Votes - how are we doin' ?
> Date: 2/11/06 8:25:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Hower)
> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-to: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
>
> Well, it may be a 'prom queen' contest as Neon John
> said, but
> it has people in Austriala talking about the #1 car
> posted on the site, White Zombie. I would imagine
> many muscle car types wondering what an electric
> car
> is doing on 'their' website.
> I think this is excellent advertising for EV's.
> Who knows, if the CE was posted on this site you
> may
> get battery sponsership and break into the 7's? It
> may not be your style of race, but if sponsorship
> got
> some kick ass batteries and a spot in the 7's for
> an
> EV I would bet it it would be your style of race
> :-)
> Keep on kicking but in the CE!!!
> Rod
> >>
> Thanks Rod for thinking of the CE,On second thought
> if I can keep my lead in
> NHRA Summit points going for a while I think I would
> feel better about puting
> her up there(something truely to brag about cause
> this bracket racing seems
> harder to me than breaking et records) but I would
> like to see a fair and square
> voting contest on her behalf.7s are likely after
> july.Thanks again for your
> unending support.Dennis
>
>
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I had an idea about the insurance issue,
I don't think it was discussed from this
exact angle.
I recently priced insurance for 2 cars.
I asked them to also consider if the
companies are willing to insure ("comprehensive")
for "declared value".
The broker said all 5 of their companies
said no to this question, only book value is used.
So I was thinking, what if
a) I had no collision coverage from my liability
carrier, and just catastrophic coverage from an
independent insurer (such as affilliate of grassrootsev).
OR
b) I had minimal collision coverage and
catastrophic supplemental insurance from such a place?
This is somewhat analagous to a business that
may have professional liability insurance (eg, my wife pays
for such, though speech therapy has minimal risk),
but there's business loss insurance, if their
main equipment is destroyed by a disaster.
The latter might come from anyplace, while the
former would be specific to the trade.
This could probably be accomplished on a shoestring
budget with the help of an actuary and a re-insurer.
(the word probably is the extent of my espertise.)
Also, numerous projects prevent me from helping,
unless you need the name of an actuary, but
he's not into EV's (yet).
Seth
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Brent Singleton, from Bonneville HS in Ogden, Utah is this year's
President's Environmental Youth Award recipient which will be awarded
in April at a ceremony in Washington DC.
Brent is very active in the EV community having built an electric
junior dragster that he's raced at the NEDRA Wicked Watts race
organized by the Las Vegas Electric Vehicle Association. He also
restored a dismantled hybrid Ford Escort built by Weber State
University that he's raced at the Bonneville Salt Flats and is
currently building an electric roadster. Sounds like an EVer with years
of experience but Brent is only 18 years old.
Robbie Roberts, the US Environmental Agency Regional Administrator,
called Brent while he was in school to inform him of his award. Each
year EPA Region 8 selects a winning proposal and provides travel
expenses for the winner and their sponsor to attend a White House
ceremony and EPA HQ awards event. To learn more about the Region 8
PEYA program, please visit their website at
http://www.epa.gov/region8/env_ed/peya/index.html
Check out Brent's electric junior dragster and Ford Escort Hybrid at:
http://www.SaveTheSaltFlats.com/
Below is the news release from the EPA:
Congratulations Brent!!
Chip Gribben
NEDRA Webmaster
http://www.nedra.com
EVA/DC Webmaster
http://www.evadc.org
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Environmental News
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 9, 2006
Christine Vigil, 303-312-6605
Wendy Chipp, 303-312-6603
General Inquiries 800 227-8917
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Denver -- The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency announced this week
that Brent Singleton, a senior at Bonneville High School in Ogden,
Utah, has won the President's Environmental Youth Award. In April,
Singleton will travel to Washington, D.C., where he and PEYA winners
from the Agency's other regions will meet President Bush in an award
ceremony at the White House.
Singleton is being honored as an emerging leader in electric vehicle
design. For a science fair and Eagle Scout project, he purchased a
dismantled hybrid vehicle from Weber State University and modified it.
The result was the world's first hybrid land speed racer. He has raced
the vehicle in hybrid and zero-emissions mode at the world famous
Bonneville Salt Flats in Wendover, Utah. Then, to help with his daily
drive to school, he added solar panels and wind generators to recharge
his 96-volt electric system while in class.
When Singleton travels to various racing venues, he uses his solar and
wind-powered "Quadbrid" to tow his other race car -- the National Hot
Rod Association's first electric-powered junior Dragster -- used in
electric land speed racing. This Quadbrid tow-car and electro-dragster
is the world's first fully sustainable race outfit.
"Brent has done some amazing and innovative things with his vehicle
modifications," said Robert E. Roberts, Regional Administrator for
EPA's Region 8 office. "His cutting-edge cars are wonderful examples
of applied science and engineering making a difference. Brent isn't
just setting speed records, he is advancing the development of
high-performance electric vehicles and raising public awareness about
alternative fuels, sustainability and the ecological importance of
places like the Bonneville Salt Flats."
Every year, each of EPA's ten regional Environmental Education offices
select a PEYA winner to represent them at the national PEYA awards
ceremony in Washington, D.C. Singleton will represent the Region 8
Environmental Education office. The awards have been presented annually
since 1971 to honor students in kindergarten through twelfth grade who
develop projects that help protect their environments and promote
environmental awareness in their communities.
More information on the PEYA Awards Program is available at:
http://www.epa.gov/region8/env_ed/peya/index.html
More information on Region 8's Environmental Education Program is
available at:
http://www.epa.gov/region08/env_ed/
More information on the EPA Environmental Education Program is available
at:
http://www.epa.gov/enviroed/
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>David Roden wrote:
>
>When I started writing this, I planned to suggest
>that EVers should boycott the TdS. Further in, I'm
>more sad than angry, so I guess I won't go that far.
>And perhaps I've just missed mention of road EVs in
>the publicity materials.
>
>I would love to be corrected - shown where the
>publicity extends open arms to road EVs like the old
>days.
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Even in the heady old days we didn't have the ev's
some expected to be seeing. For many years Frank
LaSalle made the trip from California looking for that
distinctive ev that would turn heads, visually and
performance-wise. Even a Solectria Force was too
mundane. Now that we are on the verge of seeing some
ev's that might have satisfied Mr. LaSalle, I'm hoping
to see some strut their stuff on the Tour.
I can offer up some correction that should lessen the
sadness:
http://www.nesea.org/transportation/tour/
The NESEA web page referred to in the publicity does
not neglect electric vehicles. Note the bold-faced
section, about 1/2 down the page, concerning the
vehicles that will be showcased.
http://www.nesea.org/transportation/tour/2005Championship_Awards.php
>From there, the link to the Tour de Sol Championship
page features 13 award winners from last year. Six of
those are battery electrics.
http://www.nesea.org/transportation/tour/documents/TourdeSol_Champion_Reg_000.pdf
>From there the link to the registration form embraces
ev's beyond what might be expected given the many
other vehicle types that can enter. Section 12.2.3 has
provision for ev's of a variety of pedigree. Section
12.2.5, is not overly demanding of the range a
competitor must demonstrate - 50 miles per charge,
unless exchangeable packs are used.
I think that last reference is a throwback to the days
when ev's predominated as nowadays 50 miles isn't much
of a target for ev's in this competition to shoot for.
A real hoot is a bit over 1/3 down, page 4 of 10, or 5
of 12, under Section D, covering publicity, "The media
can be a powerful tool in spreading the word about the
potential of electric vehicles..." No other vehicle
types are mentioned! I think this is another throwback
to the days when ev's were about all that competed,
but it's there.
I too notice oddities with how some of the Tour de Sol
is handled, and miss the old days. I can understand
ev'ers electing to go to the EAA convention &
associated events in Joliet, but a good representation
of ev's is wanted at the Tour de Sol. NESEA hasn't
wavered from wanting this, even if some publicity has
seemed to slight ev's.
NESEA devised a quota system to ensure each of the
many types of alternative energy vehicles was
represented in the Tour de Sol Championship. For 2006,
NESEA dropped those predetermined numbers, so it's
conceivable a few more ev's could be accommodated.
Though there is room for limited numbers of vehicles
of any one type in the Championship, any number of
vehicles can be displayed this years event & on the
car show grounds. Cost to display isn't great.
The Tour can conceivably accommodate out-of-country
vehicles, even ones not registerable in the states.
How's that?
Better read on:
http://tinyurl.com/cfljk
http://www.wsvn.com/features/articles/helpmehoward/MIA7883/
-brian
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Usually UHMW polyethylene has a maximum recommended
temperature of around 180F -- which seems really
close to where your heater elements may be operating
That does worry me a bit. It was interesting that the recommended temp is
actually quite a bit lower than the melting temp. The wonderful world of
material science!
My heater cores are 1500W ceramic squares from Holmes space heaters ($15
each!) I left them in their original plastic shrouds (Delrin?) and mounted
them BEHIND holes cut in the UHMW. So the air flows through the UHMW, the
shroud, then the cores. There is at least 1.5" between the cores and the
UHMW, which should only see heat from the intake air as long as the fan is
running. I will run the original "thermal cutoff" snap switch in series
with the heater relay (12V side) as an extra safety measure.
The heater core is actually where the original A/C core was - to spread
things out a bit more. The ceramic elements aren't wedged together and
there is more room between the heater elements and the plastic of the
car's airbox.
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speaking of AWD...what are the pros and cons of using
an AWD donor vehicle and keeping the transmission?
lee parrish
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5% less gas mileage = 5% less range.
If you want a machine that will dominate anything it meets at a
stoplight, though, AWD is unbeatable.
--- lee parrish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> speaking of AWD...what are the pros and cons of using
> an AWD donor vehicle and keeping the transmission?
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After great EV drag work, now a positive attitude, definitely the way to go
and time to vote for Killa cycle again :^)
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: Votes - how are we doin' ?
> Looks like Bill posted the original Killa Cycle?
> It still doesn't mention 'electric' on the top 15.
> Regardless of the hard-headed debate on the EVDL, Bill
> has made quite an accomplishment with an EV drag bike.
> I would REALLY like to see the Current Eliminator on
> this site however. How about it Dennis?
>
> > I just noticed Bill Dube's Killa cycle "click 4
> > times
> > now"
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> http://www.dragtimes.com/Dragster-Motorcycle-Timeslip-7621.html
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> http://www.dragtimes.com/Mazda-RX-7-Timeslip-7519.html
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> http://www.dragtimes.com/Datsun-1200-Timeslip-7484.html
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> http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan-240SX-Timeslip-7382.html
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Hello Seth,
The problem is, that you are going to standard insurance carriers that
insure what we call are ANY CARS. Any other cars other than the exotic ones
they won't insure.
Go to your search engine and type in CLASSIC CAR INSURANCE for a example of
this insurance. The best insurer in this group is the Hagerty Insurance
Company. They will insured your car for any amount you want. We paid about
$100.00 per $10,000.00 value per year for a 1966 exotic sports car that has
been fully customize and only driven about 1 mile a year.
The exception to the ANY CAR insurance companies, is the HARTFORD Insurance
company. I have 100 percent comprehensive declared value on my 1977 El
Camino which is in show car condition. Last winter I had gravel damage to
one side of the car, by driving it on streets that the city puts on icy
roads. My insurer told me to take it back to the customizer who have done
the car and repair it with no question ask.
You have to work directly with the insurance company which may have
different divisions, that a local broker will or won't get into.
Last summer, while the EV was park, a large 2 ton truck back up into my door
punching a hole clear threw. My specifications call for a new replacement
door, glass, electric window operators and locks to be original GM
replacements only and only be painted by my paint customizer who has to
color sand and polish it eight times to 4000 grit sanding and compounding.
The whole side of the car and top of hood had to be paint to blend to the
other side that was also painted because of gravel damage. The cost of
these two repair jobs cost way over the book value of the car in standard
form and about the cost of a new car!!
Roland
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From: "Seth Rothenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 11:15 PM
Subject: Insurance
> I had an idea about the insurance issue,
> I don't think it was discussed from this
> exact angle.
>
> I recently priced insurance for 2 cars.
> I asked them to also consider if the
> companies are willing to insure ("comprehensive")
> for "declared value".
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> The broker said all 5 of their companies
> said no to this question, only book value is used.
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>
> So I was thinking, what if
> a) I had no collision coverage from my liability
> carrier, and just catastrophic coverage from an
> independent insurer (such as affilliate of grassrootsev).
> OR
> b) I had minimal collision coverage and
> catastrophic supplemental insurance from such a place?
>
> This is somewhat analagous to a business that
> may have professional liability insurance (eg, my wife pays
> for such, though speech therapy has minimal risk),
> but there's business loss insurance, if their
> main equipment is destroyed by a disaster.
>
> The latter might come from anyplace, while the
> former would be specific to the trade.
>
>
> This could probably be accomplished on a shoestring
> budget with the help of an actuary and a re-insurer.
> (the word probably is the extent of my espertise.)
>
> Also, numerous projects prevent me from helping,
> unless you need the name of an actuary, but
> he's not into EV's (yet).
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> Seth
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In a message dated 2/11/06 6:30:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Subj: Re:Current Eliminator News The Sword
Date: 2/11/06 6:30:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rush)
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Dennis,
When are you going to run down here in Tucson?
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
>>
I plan to race March 11 and 12 at SIR for the $5000 each day race. Dennis
Berube
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So I can't contain myself here, I had a wounderful EV filled day yesterday.
Myself and another member of the Phoenix electric auto association, Greg,
decided to make a trip down to Tucson and check out the new Tucson Electric
Vehicle Association (2). It's about a 130 mile trip so obviously it was way
beyond the range of either my Saturn or Gregs VW Scirocco conversions so we
hopped in the Insight and took off after waking up at 6AM on a Saturday! I
don't wake up this early on normal days of the week.
I have to extend a special thanks to the Tucson members because they really
rolled out the red carpet to us with a real warm welcome. Only one of the
members there had a working conversion, but several were in the works as well,
plus we had a few people show up that were interested in learning about
conversions. We talked about what's involved with doing an actual conversion,
ways to make vehicles more efficient, batteries, the whole nine yards. It was a
very good meeting. I have to thank Rush (I think your the only one on this list
from TEVA) and everyone else from Tucson.
On the trip back we stopped in Casa Grande, which is half way between Phoenix
and Tucson, to check and see if the charging site was still there. They put it
in years ago so you could drive your EV1 from Phoenix to Tucson and back. Sure
enough it's still there and still has power! There are two large paddle
chargers (fat chance of using those unfortunately), but there is also a box
with a 5-20 and a 14-50 outlet and an avcon as well. Now I'm thinking, if a guy
were to say use my PFC30 on my avcon adapter and use another charger on the
14-50 plug you could really charge fast. Gregs Scirocco has a lot more range
than me and could make it there with ease with a new battery pack. The gears
are turning, but perhaps some day we could do the ~250 mile trip all
electrically! We'll see, but it is possible now that I know charging is
available half way.
On the way back we drove over to another Phoenix EAA members house where a
1955 VW Chassis Jeep kit car conversion was being kept
http://www.phoenixeaa.com/classifieds/sold/060101/main.html. I got to drive it
and this things really a fun little car. The body's all fiberglass so it's
really light weight. It's only a 120 volt system running on 12 volt Trojan's,
but it is very spirited and lots of fun for sure.
After that I went to drop Greg off at his house and he let me drive his
Scirocco around for a few miles. It's amazing how efficient his is, I must
examine it further some time.
So in the end I drove several EV's other than my own.
Later,
Ricky
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Ricky, where can I find more information on this electric
Sciroco? I found nothing on the Phoenix Area Electric Auto
Association site, and I'm curious to see just what setup is
being used and how much range this car would have on new
batteries. From the 130 mile trip that implies the car will
go at least 65 miles to 100%, but that could kill the pack
and if that trip is to be made I'd guess on it having more
range. What sort of efficiency is it achieving?
Acceleration? Speed? Any pictures?
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Rod Hower wrote:
Well, it may be a 'prom queen' contest as Neon John
said, but
it has people in Austriala talking about the #1 car
posted on the site, White Zombie. I would imagine
many muscle car types wondering what an electric car
is doing on 'their' website.
I think this is excellent advertising for EV's.
Who knows, if the CE was posted on this site you may
get battery sponsership and break into the 7's? It
may not be your style of race, but if sponsorship got
some kick ass batteries and a spot in the 7's for an
EV I would bet it it would be your style of race
:-)
Keep on kicking but in the CE!!!
Rod
Actually, that was me originally with the "prom queen" comment. But it
was about the general setup/seriousness of the site, not about how much
affect this *could* have on peoples perceptions. After all, most people
DO remember who the "prom queen" was at their senior proms... so the
purpose of that quote was not to belittle the goals of this effort or to
discourage people from participating in it. I'm all for any decent
publicity EV can get!
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At 07:41 PM 2/11/2006, you wrote:
Looks like Bill posted the original Killa Cycle?
Not exactly the "original." The bike evolves constantly, as I have
said.
The picture is of the bike on the exact day it set the 9.45 @ 152
MPH record.
>>> Some KillaCycle history <<<
The "original" version of the bike didn't manage to run down the
track at it's debut. The soldered interconnects vibrated loose during
transport to the track. I pulled the pack and went with pressure contacts
instead. These were an improvement, and got the bike down the track, but
still had reliability problems. We managed to get the bike into the 10's
with pressure contacts.
The weekend we swapped out the pressure contacts for welded
interconnects was when the bike went deep into the 9's at over 150 MPH. The
bike was at it's fastest in this configuration.
At this point in history, Bolder Technologies went bankrupt and my
source for factory-select TMF cells evaporated. Without high-quality,
high-performance cells, the bike has not been able to top it's own best
records (naturally.)
Even with ordinary AGM batteries, the KillaCycle easily beats all
the times of all the other electric bikes. It just can't beat it's own
records without equal batteries.
Last year, at great expense, I bought 145 SecureStart units that
were made in China. I removed the TMF cells and built a pack. The cells
were not up to snuff, however and the performance was disappointing.
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>>> You have to wonder what motivates these folks to lie about facts so
easily checked <<
I was looking over Roy's original post that (purposely) started
this mess. This post was riddled with misrepresentations. (A polite way of
saying "lies.")
1) "The site has gone thru a complete redesign and most of the content
including all references to the original Killacycle (with the exception of
a few dozen mixed photos) has been removed."
There are 29 pictures of the bike with the frame that went 152
mph. There are only 14 pictures (16 if you count repeats) of the bike with
the newer frame. The majority of the pictures are of versions of the bike
that went over 150 mph.
I put the "coolest" looking picture at the beginning of the site.
John Bryan sent me this terrific action shot. I also choose this "coolest"
picture for Dragtimes.
2) "This page actually mixes the specs up between the two machines (Zilla
2K with TMF batteries, both not used at the same time or on the same bike
AFAIK)-"
Simply not true. The bike has TMF batteries at the moment. I
posted this to the list several months ago.
>>> What is really going on to motivate this mud slinging <<<
There was a faction of the NEDRA board that was trying to rewrite
the conversion class rules in a manner that was biased towards themselves
(and their pals) and against less well-connected racers.
These proposed rule changes had no effect on me whatsoever. I
don't race in those classes. My only motivation against these rules was a
sense of fairness.
As the National Technical Director, I was left with two options. I
could stand by silently as this faction pushed through this biased rule
set, and piss off a good fraction of the competitors. Conversely, I could
piss off this faction of the NEDRA board that was trying to push through
these biased rules. I chose the latter.
I never used my veto option (allowed under the charter) at any
time during this rule revision process. I save that for safety related
issues. I simply pointed out the many problems that the drafts of the new
rules contained. When you try to "thread the needle" like they were doing,
"innocent bystander" competitors are adversely effected. Each time I
pointed out these problems (like "no fender flares allowed") they became
increasingly angry at me.
They knew that all the competitors would not be happy with the new
rules. When I and several others on the NEDRA board requested that the new
rules be subjected to a member comment period, (as required in the charter)
they decided to toss out the entire NEDRA charter and rule by decree instead.
I was not alone in opposition to these new rules. I was just the
most vocal (because it is my job.) I was not the one that "pulled the plug"
on this faction of the NEDRA board.
This is why this faction is going to such lengths to make me look
bad. Mudslinging is their only defense for what they have attempted to do.
Sorry to take up bandwidth with all this, but I figured some of
you would like to know the underlying reasons why these NEDRA folk are at
each other's throats.
I suppose I could have pretended to send this as a private post,
and then say "Oops I pushed the wrong button" but that ploy is wearing a
bit thin lately. ;^)
Bill Dube'
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On Sun, February 12, 2006 3:45 am, Adrian DeLeon said:
>> Usually UHMW polyethylene has a maximum recommended
>> temperature of around 180F -- which seems really
>> close to where your heater elements may be operating
>
> My heater cores are 1500W ceramic squares from Holmes space heaters ($15
> each!) I left them in their original plastic shrouds (Delrin?) and mounted
If your heaters were anything like mine (and it sounds like they were):
http://www.ohmbre.org/blog/2006/01/30/heater-progress
http://ohmbre.org/gallery/v/ConversionProject/Parts/accessory_systems/heating
then the original mounting shrouds are probably made of a heat-resistant
FRP (fiber-reinforced polymer). This should be more than sufficient.
> them BEHIND holes cut in the UHMW. So the air flows through the UHMW, the
> shroud, then the cores. There is at least 1.5" between the cores and the
> UHMW, which should only see heat from the intake air as long as the fan is
> running. I will run the original "thermal cutoff" snap switch in series
> with the heater relay (12V side) as an extra safety measure.
This sounds sufficient to me. Maybe others can interject issues I'm not
thinking of, but I don't think you'll have problems with your setup. The
air heated by the cores should not be as hot as the cores themselves, and
in your design it's not even blowing against or through your UHMW after
it's heated. If you can design the heater such that the power isn't on if
the fan isn't running, then I think you should be safe in the usual case.
For emergency cases (fan failure), it might be worthwhile seeing at what
temperature the snap switch operates. Maybe stick it in an oven with a
thermometer and see at what temperature it opens.
> The heater core is actually where the original A/C core was - to spread
> things out a bit more. The ceramic elements aren't wedged together and
> there is more room between the heater elements and the plastic of the
> car's airbox.
I'm actually a bit concerned about this in my setup. Although the 180F
stock heater core was in physical contact with the plastic in my airbox, I
know from how much it was gumming up my tools that the airbox plastic is
not terribly heat resistant. I'll have about a half inch of gap (spanned
by G10 laminate) between the cores and the plastic; I hope that'll be
enough.
--chris
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