EV Digest 5311
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Solectria Force peak power (was Re: Early Hawker deaths)
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Motor options
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Fast Street Car with Twin DC Motors
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: 1996 E-10 on Ebay in Sebastopol, CA
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
5) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Circuit_breakers,_fuses,_GFCI=B4s_=28newbie=29?=
by "Osmo S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Need help about sepex Motor and alltrax DCX please
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Motor options: Lee Hart
by Electro Automotive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Motor options: David Roden
by Electro Automotive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Motor options: John Wayland
by Electro Automotive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: 96v charge only goes to 121.5 & 5 amps. Wrong resistor?
by "Chuck Hursch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: DC-DC converter: How to select?
by Calvin King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Dual Motors to FWD axles - Anyone done it ??
by "jmygann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) RE: 1996 E-10 on Ebay in Sebastopol, CA
by "EV Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Need help about sepex Motor and alltrax DCX please
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: WAS: Speaking of Ignoring Ultra Cap
by Joel Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) RE: WAS: Speaking of Ignoring Ultra Cap
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Motor options
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
18) RE: WAS: Speaking of Ignoring Ultra Cap
by "Hacker Joel-QA6240" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Tour de Sol's New Fuel Efficiency Competition
by M Bianchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) RE: I need to rephrase my 'motor options' question
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I checked a couple of things on my '97 Force...
By getting the throttle pot arm set just right, I can get a maximum of
175 Amps (in "power" mode) coming out of the batteries and 75 Amps going
back in under regen. These numbers are based on the little volt/amp
meter combo Solectria put in the dash.
I then got smart and read the label on the controller:
Model AC325
Nominal 32 KW, 156 Volts
Maximum 42 KW, 190 Volts, 200 battery Amps, 280 motor Amps
Motor type ACGT20, 13000 RPM
So it seems I'm getting pretty much the nameplate rating (although some
nameplates may differ?).
David Roden wrote:
On 23 Mar 2006 at 22:02, Jim Coate wrote:
Can Forces really pull 250 amps?
That's what the AMC-320 and -325 inverters are rated for, but it's peak
current. I doubt that it achieves that for more than a few seconds.
The limit can be set lower in software. I wouldn't be surprised if
Solectria had done so in the interest of longer battery and/or inverter
life.
--
Jim Coate
1970's Elec-Trak's
1997 Solectria Force
1998 Chevy S-10 NiMH BEV
1997 Chevy S-10 NGV Bi-Fuel
http://www.eeevee.com
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From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: Motor options
Hi EVerybody;
I gotta dive in on this one! John didn't EVen mention the Diseasel
Rabbit, which makes the GAS one look like a fireball! The Diseasel has a
romping,stomping 40 hp, never timed it, although it was suggested to use a
sundial<g>!It got Jerry to Fla from CT towing a Sunrise body on a trailer
and averaged in the hy thirties, miliage wise. He was happy with it!
> On 2 Apr 2006 at 22:18, John Wayland wrote:
>
> > The stock 1981 Rabbit weighs 1775 lbs., has 74 hp, and takes 12.6
> > l-o-n-g seconds to get to 60 mph.
> I think 60 in the twelves is not bad, for a TRAIN! All kidding aside I
lived with the Diesel one and was happy with it. Getting better miliage than
Prei, but not as good as a Insite,It was easy to fix, parts anywhere. I used
to say that ya needed an apointment to get on the turnpike with it, but if
you planned ahead, a little, an alian concept ,in driving you'd be OK.
> L-o-n-g? Maybe to John, but that sounds plenty fast to me.
>
> I don't want to get too involved in this exchange, but I do want to point
> out to both parties that "fast" and "slow" mean different things to
> different people.
>
> John would find the Solectria Force's acceleration excruciating.
I did, to, the Rabbit would blow the doors off the Force, to quote
John<g>!With my blistering 54 in the Quarter at Power of DC he needent be
looking in his rear view mirror. With my recent upgrades , T Wrecks
controller, stouter clutch, and T 145's I may break 60 in the quarter. Do I
care? Really, Yes I want a bit more OOOMPH, but I'm happy with my glatial
performane, when I can drive it EVery day, as a useful vehicle.Doing
conversions is an excersize in masochism, anyhow. Looking forward to
Freedoms or, Gasp! A Sunrise, someday.Purpose built EV's. A 3100 lb Rabbit
isn't the way to go, but what ELSE in the small car line nowadaze offers a
reasonable tradeoff for conversions??
In fact,
> I'm pretty sure he's said something along those lines in the past. But
> that's OK; I don't offend easily. His opinion of the car doesn't harm me
> one bit, and he has a way with words that I find entertaining. (Some
others
> do, some don't. Some chuckle when he refers to their cars as slugs; others
> get annoyed. So it goes.)
> I love John's posts from Wacky Raccoons to theWhite Zombie story, the
shared adventures at the Track. I have been there, too. Or WHY I drive out
to PDX EVery year to do Woodburn. Racing is silly, but it sure advances the
EV Tech dept. Having Jim Husted come aboard of late. Heres a knowledgeable
cool guy, Hotrodding motors, getting the best and most out of our poor
tortured motors. He should build and sell the Siamese line of Racing motors,
to others that want to get down the track, FAST!
> In fact John's opinions tell me a fair bit about John, which allows me to
> better evaluate how his views might apply to my needs - a good thing. His
> comments on the VoltsRabbit suggest to me me that I'd probably find one
> entirely adequate. That's nice to know. ;-)
> And alota stuff we ALL can know and use on the List.David? Ya gotta come
to the Races! This year??
Seeya at the races
Bob
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Joel Hacker wrote:
>
> Just to clarify...is it the zilla the does the switching,
> or does it just give a signal to contactors (like a small
> relay coil current) to the contactors to do the switching
> from series to parallel?
The "Zilla" itself is the box with the power transistors and diodes that
actually PWMs the motor. There are no contactors in this box; they are
all external.
The "Hairball" is the microcomputer brain box for the Zilla. It controls
the Zilla, and all the contactors for on/off, series/parallel,
forward/reverse, etc.
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Dave,
Most of the Solectria E-10s were configured at 144v. However, this is one
of several that were configured at 276v. They use the Deka group 27
batteries rather than the group 24s. They have 23 batteries in series.
There are very few of these around. I know of 4 and all of them came from a
North Carolina utility company (at least I think it was NC). I've spoken
many times with the owner when he first got the truck. From discussions, I
think it is a good truck in need of just a few little corrections to finish
it up. Well worth the price he wants for it. He is not happy that he needs
to sell it after he has worked so hard to get it this far, but I understand
his needs. Many on this list have had the same problems of trying to fit
time, money and family all in the same bucket. Too bad for him; very good
for some lucky buyer who wins that bid. If I had the money sitting around
right now, I'd buy it in a heartbeat! With just a few extra bux, this will
be a great truck. By the way, I'm pretty sure these 276v versions have much
more power than the 144v versions. Bigger motors and controllers. I know
that Solectria has a governor on the controller to keep this truck at 72mph
max. Down hill they will exceed that. I can even do better than 72mph in
my 144v version on a down hill slope. Good luck if you decide to bid on it.
Jeff Wilson
Solectria E-10
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From: EV Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: 1996 E-10 on Ebay in Sebastopol, CA
Ok, stupid question.... Why does the voltage meter show 300v? I thought
they all ran off of 144???
Dave banas
Philadelphia, PA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cor van de Water
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 4:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: 1996 E-10 on Ebay in Sebastopol, CA
Buy it now is "only" $12,900
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ4627153299QQrdZ1
Cor van de Water
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I´m trying to get the picture about the safety equipments needed for my
AC system. I haven´t chosen the batteries yet, but they will be about
300 V. Max DC current for my Siemens inverter is 280 A. I already got
main contactors along with the inverter.
Where can I find a good general schematic about power circuit, which
shows how to connect fuses, breakers etc? I´d like to do this as well
as possible, eliminating all the possible what-if scenarios. I´m
thinking of using an emergency switch and an inertial switch also.
Because of my limited english vocabulary, I´ve thought a circuit
breaker is the same as GFCI. But it´s not! :) More like a reusable fuse
(with a switch) switching off high current - not comparing current
between hot and neutral, right? So, I was wondering why you people use
both fuses AND circuit breakers, if they function in the same way. Why
not use fuses to limit current and a simple switch to manually switch
off, or a circuit braker alone to do the both? Just to double check?
Also, I haven´t seen any schematics or tutorials mentioning GFCI as a
safety device in ev. Why is that? Or have I just missed it?
Thanks,
Osmo
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Hello,
I heard about alltrax DCX series controler made for golf cart sepex motors.
They have 2 armatures and 2 field connections
I have a "special?" sepex motor which has only 3 wires (A1-A2-field) and i
don't know how it's wired internaly
picture here:
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/images/Scootelecmoteur.jpg
Do you think DCX can control it? if so what will be the wiring ?
thanks for your help
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Motor options
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Motor options
> Hi EVerybody;
>
> I gotta dive in on this one! John didn't EVen mention the Diseasel
> Rabbit, which makes the GAS one look like a fireball! The Diseasel has a
> romping,stomping 40 hp, never timed it, although it was suggested to use a
> sundial<g>!It got Jerry to Fla from CT towing a Sunrise body on a trailer
> and averaged in the hy thirties, miliage wise. He was happy with it!
>
> > On 2 Apr 2006 at 22:18, John Wayland wrote:
> >
> > > The stock 1981 Rabbit weighs 1775 lbs., has 74 hp, and takes 12.6
> > > l-o-n-g seconds to get to 60 mph.
>
> > I think 60 in the twelves is not bad, for a TRAIN! All kidding aside I
> lived with the Diesel one and was happy with it. Getting better miliage
than
> Prei, but not as good as a Insite,It was easy to fix, parts anywhere. I
used
> to say that ya needed an apointment to get on the turnpike with it, but if
> you planned ahead, a little, an alian concept ,in driving you'd be OK.
> > L-o-n-g? Maybe to John, but that sounds plenty fast to me.
> >
> > I don't want to get too involved in this exchange, but I do want to
point
> > out to both parties that "fast" and "slow" mean different things to
> > different people.
> >
> > John would find the Solectria Force's acceleration excruciating.
>
> I did, to, the Rabbit would blow the doors off the Force, to quote
> John<g>!With my blistering 54 in the Quarter at Power of DC he needent be
> looking in his rear view mirror. With my recent upgrades , T Wrecks
> controller, stouter clutch, and T 145's I may break 60 in the quarter. Do
I
> care? Really, Yes I want a bit more OOOMPH, but I'm happy with my glatial
> performane, when I can drive it EVery day, as a useful vehicle.Doing
> conversions is an excersize in masochism, anyhow. Looking forward to
> Freedoms or, Gasp! A Sunrise, someday.Purpose built EV's. A 3100 lb Rabbit
> isn't the way to go, but what ELSE in the small car line nowadaze offers a
> reasonable tradeoff for conversions??
>
> In fact,
> > I'm pretty sure he's said something along those lines in the past. But
> > that's OK; I don't offend easily. His opinion of the car doesn't harm
me
> > one bit, and he has a way with words that I find entertaining. (Some
> others
> > do, some don't. Some chuckle when he refers to their cars as slugs;
others
> > get annoyed. So it goes.)
>
> > I love John's posts from Wacky Raccoons to theWhite Zombie story, the
> shared adventures at the Track. I have been there, too. Or WHY I drive out
> to PDX EVery year to do Woodburn. Racing is silly, but it sure advances
the
> EV Tech dept. Having Jim Husted come aboard of late. Heres a knowledgeable
> cool guy, Hotrodding motors, getting the best and most out of our poor
> tortured motors. He should build and sell the Siamese line of Racing
motors,
> to others that want to get down the track, FAST!
>
> > In fact John's opinions tell me a fair bit about John, which allows me
to
> > better evaluate how his views might apply to my needs - a good thing.
His
> > comments on the VoltsRabbit suggest to me me that I'd probably find one
> > entirely adequate. That's nice to know. ;-)
>
> > And alota stuff we ALL can know and use on the List.David? Ya gotta come
> to the Races! This year??
>
> Seeya at the races
>
> Bob
>
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Lee Hart wrote:
I think there are two reasons for the difference of opinions here.
First, Shari and Jim are talking about two different groups -- economy
EVs vs. high-performance EVs.
Exactly!
Shari Prange
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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David Roden wrote:
L-o-n-g? Maybe to John, but that sounds plenty fast to me.
I don't want to get too involved in this exchange, but I do want to
point out to both parties that "fast" and "slow" mean different things to
different people.
Exactly!
John would find the Solectria Force's acceleration excruciating. In
fact, I'm pretty sure he's said something along those lines in the past. But
that's OK; I don't offend easily. His opinion of the car doesn't
harm me one bit, and he has a way with words that I find
entertaining. (Some others do, some don't. Some chuckle when he
refers to their cars as slugs; others get annoyed. So it goes.)
In fact John's opinions tell me a fair bit about John, which allows
me to better evaluate how his views might apply to my needs - a good
thing. His comments on the VoltsRabbit suggest to me me that I'd
probably find one entirely adequate. That's nice to know. ;-)
Thank you for illustrating my point.
Shari Prange
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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John Wayland wrote:
Prove that, please. Please show data on the 0-60 of your 96V Rabbit
conversion. At the sagged voltage under the 500 amps that squealer
makes, you've got 40 hp to move 2900 lbs.....yeah, I bet it really
hauls! I'd bet you've never, ever, drag raced it on a track with
real timing devices.
You're right, I haven't, for two good reasons. First, the
Voltsrabbit was never designed or intended to be a drag
racer. Spending the time & money to haul it to a track would be
foolish. Second, I am personally uninterested in drag
racing. Believe it or not, I find it boring.
I'll help you out here... My guess, is that it would have a 2.5
second 60 ft., that the 0-60 would take 17-19 seconds, and that top
speed on level ground might be a real 85 mph, given several miles to get there.
The 96V Rabbit tops out about 65 mph, and the 108V version about 75
mph. Which, by the way, is more than many of our customers say they
need. Of course, the Voltsporsche will top 90 mph for those who need
more speed.
And as for low performance, I have more often been held back in a
96V Rabbit by slow gas cars than vice verse. I have even passed gas
cars going uphill....Sweeping generalizations about "most people"
are usually misleading.
And you talk about sweeping, generalized statements? This hardly
backs up your talk. Try hard facts, please. Try it like this....
How about try it like this: we took our '84 Voltsrabbit to a scale
and weighed it. And drag strip times would prove nothing. I never
claimed the Voltsrabbit could out accelerate a gas car. I said that
IN REAL LIFE DRIVING, I have encountered gas cars being driven slower
than I cared to go, and I was able to pass them, sometimes even going
uphill. I don't feel any need to prove anything at a race track,
because that is irrelevant to how I use the car. It has plenty of
power to carry me to my home 1440 ft. up a mountain.
Let's just round the conversion weight to 2900 lbs. and give Shari
the nod here. Shari, again, please give the 0-60 time of a 2900 lb.
car with 40 hp to move it, compared to a 1775 lb. car with 74 hp
that we know does 0-60 in 12.6 seconds, and that is generally
regarded by all automotive testers, experts, and drivers to be very
slow in terms of acceleration power.
Well, it must not be ALL drivers, since I have talked to a hell of a
lot of them that thought it was just fine. I don't care what any
"experts" say. I care what the DRIVER says. If he/she is happy with
the car, that's all that matters.
And the poor ADC 9"/Curtis 20x6V Voltsporsche? 90+mph. Yeah,
pretty sad and inadequate.
Actually, it is when you consider several things....like how long it
takes to 'finally' arrive at 90 mph, as in the 0-60 time of probably
16 seconds, and as in how it slows on steep hills struggling with
all the extra weight (1400 lbs. of lead) and only 50 hp to drag it
all up said hill.
You are not qualified to determine what is adequate for my car, or
anyone's but your own. "Adequate" is subjective.
Actually, I like to compare EV performance to the gas cars we all
want to replace them with, something you seem to nicely avoid when
talking about 96V conversions.
Well, what set me off originally was a comment referring to most
EVs, not most gas cars. And, no, I do not avoid comparisons to gas
cars. Can I keep up with gas traffic on Hwy 1? Yes. Do I need to
use the slow lane on hills sometimes? Yes. Do I find the car to be
hazardously slow or an impediment to other gas traffic? No. I just
prefer to do my comparisons with real life driving situations that I
actually experience rather than race track numbers.
Shari, you triggered my post when you used the disrespectful wordage
"We have this funny idea that we believe in following manufacture
ratings..." in response to Jim Husted's sincere and knowledgeable
comments. Your tone was derogatory at best, and Jim certainly didn't
deserve the treatment.
Ok, I'll grant that the original post triggered a lot of pent up
feelings in me aimed more at this list in general than at Jim, and I
apologize for that. I feel that sometimes this list is dominated by
the high performance crowd, and posts seem to take the attitude that
anything less than NEDRA level performance is something to be
dismissed as inadequate. I just got tired of holding my tongue when
my livelihood is derided (this is not a hobby for me). I also feel
it misrepresents EVs to newbie lurkers who may be looking for an
affordable grocery getter that doesn't require a math or science
degree to operate.
There are all kinds of EVs, and all kinds of EV drivers. Even
though I personally have no interest in drag racing, I don't dis it
on list because other people certainly have the right to their own
tastes, and it generally doesn't hurt me any. But no one seems to
think twice about dissing basic level conversions, and it gets to me
after a while. If there weren't people who wanted these cars, and
were happy with them, we wouldn't have been in business for 27 years.
Shari Prange
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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When I had my K&W BC-20 with a 96V pack of floodeds, if I had the
Voltage knob (I believe it was) cranked full clockwise, I could
see about 4A at 127V or so. I used the 96V resistor per the
instructions. Are you sure you are reading the resistors
correctly?
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:15 AM
Subject: 96v charge only goes to 121.5 & 5 amps. Wrong resistor?
> Got a K&WBC20 in Bob's Curbwatt & it's gassing & lost 5 of it's
10 charging
> amps. It seems to be stalling at 121.5 @ 5 amps. I'd think it
should go to
> 124 and the amps drop to near zero. It's a new pack of US
125's @ (96v /16
> batteries). The charger is setup with the 102v resistor.
Maybe a different
> resistor??????(the 108)
> Lawrence Rhodes
> Bassoon/Contrabassoon
> Reedmaker
> Book 4/5 doubler
> Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
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Thanks for the DC/DC info. I think I begin to understand. Small
light are starting to come on, all battery powered of course.
Thanks also for the source information.
On Apr 1, 2006, at 9:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't know if this is for EVs:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7605277364
That appears to be a Curtis DC/DC converter for EVs.
It does look like a cheap way of getting into a DC/DC, but could it
be used with a 108 pack?
Calvin King
81 Jet Electrica
108 volts
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Anyone know of a dual motor setup running directly to the FWD axles ??
Maybe a single motor - dual shaft- direct to FWD axles ?
Links ?? Issues ??
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Thanks,... I didn't know there were 276 ones.... Mine is 144........ And
nope, not buying it... Happy with mine for now....
Db
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: 1996 E-10 on Ebay in Sebastopol, CA
Dave,
Most of the Solectria E-10s were configured at 144v. However, this is one
of several that were configured at 276v. They use the Deka group 27
batteries rather than the group 24s. They have 23 batteries in series.
There are very few of these around. I know of 4 and all of them came from a
North Carolina utility company (at least I think it was NC). I've spoken
many times with the owner when he first got the truck. From discussions, I
think it is a good truck in need of just a few little corrections to finish
it up. Well worth the price he wants for it. He is not happy that he needs
to sell it after he has worked so hard to get it this far, but I understand
his needs. Many on this list have had the same problems of trying to fit
time, money and family all in the same bucket. Too bad for him; very good
for some lucky buyer who wins that bid. If I had the money sitting around
right now, I'd buy it in a heartbeat! With just a few extra bux, this will
be a great truck. By the way, I'm pretty sure these 276v versions have much
more power than the 144v versions. Bigger motors and controllers. I know
that Solectria has a governor on the controller to keep this truck at 72mph
max. Down hill they will exceed that. I can even do better than 72mph in
my 144v version on a down hill slope. Good luck if you decide to bid on it.
Jeff Wilson
Solectria E-10
-----Original Message-----
From: EV Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: 1996 E-10 on Ebay in Sebastopol, CA
Ok, stupid question.... Why does the voltage meter show 300v? I thought
they all ran off of 144???
Dave banas
Philadelphia, PA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cor van de Water
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 4:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: 1996 E-10 on Ebay in Sebastopol, CA
Buy it now is "only" $12,900
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ4627153299QQrdZ1
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hey Philippe
First off I've never seen that motor before but I do 3 terminal motors made
by Lansing. They do this by winding eachcoils with two wires, but after the
coil is complete they separate the two wires leaving 4 connections at each
coil. This causes every other winding of each col to be the opposite polarity.
They connect the coils to the inside connected brush lead opposite the "A"
terminal you see.
You just switch the power cable between the 2) "A" terminals to reverse
rotation, so the field connection always stays connected to batteries, or
controller. So once you determine what direction you need, just look at the
motor as only a two terminal motor. As to how to sep-ex it I'll leave that to
those who know. I'm just the resident motor dork 8^P
Hope this helps
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
Philippe Borges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,
I heard about alltrax DCX series controler made for golf cart sepex motors.
They have 2 armatures and 2 field connections
I have a "special?" sepex motor which has only 3 wires (A1-A2-field) and i
don't know how it's wired internaly
picture here:
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/images/Scootelecmoteur.jpg
Do you think DCX can control it? if so what will be the wiring ?
thanks for your help
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
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From: "Bob Rice"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Motor options
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Roden"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Motor options
> Hi EVerybody;
>
> I gotta dive in on this one! John didn't EVen mention the Diseasel
> Rabbit, which makes the GAS one look like a fireball! The Diseasel has a
> romping,stomping 40 hp, never timed it, although it was suggested to use a
> sundial!It got Jerry to Fla from CT towing a Sunrise body on a trailer
> and averaged in the hy thirties, miliage wise. He was happy with it!
>
> > On 2 Apr 2006 at 22:18, John Wayland wrote:
> >
> > > The stock 1981 Rabbit weighs 1775 lbs., has 74 hp, and takes 12.6
> > > l-o-n-g seconds to get to 60 mph.
>
> > I think 60 in the twelves is not bad, for a TRAIN! All kidding aside I
> lived with the Diesel one and was happy with it. Getting better miliage
than
> Prei, but not as good as a Insite,It was easy to fix, parts anywhere. I
used
> to say that ya needed an apointment to get on the turnpike with it, but if
> you planned ahead, a little, an alian concept ,in driving you'd be OK.
> > L-o-n-g? Maybe to John, but that sounds plenty fast to me.
> >
> > I don't want to get too involved in this exchange, but I do want to
point
> > out to both parties that "fast" and "slow" mean different things to
> > different people.
> >
> > John would find the Solectria Force's acceleration excruciating.
>
> I did, to, the Rabbit would blow the doors off the Force, to quote
> John!With my blistering 54 in the Quarter at Power of DC he needent be
> looking in his rear view mirror. With my recent upgrades , T Wrecks
> controller, stouter clutch, and T 145's I may break 60 in the quarter. Do
I
> care? Really, Yes I want a bit more OOOMPH, but I'm happy with my glatial
> performane, when I can drive it EVery day, as a useful vehicle.Doing
> conversions is an excersize in masochism, anyhow. Looking forward to
> Freedoms or, Gasp! A Sunrise, someday.Purpose built EV's. A 3100 lb Rabbit
> isn't the way to go, but what ELSE in the small car line nowadaze offers a
> reasonable tradeoff for conversions??
>
> In fact,
> > I'm pretty sure he's said something along those lines in the past. But
> > that's OK; I don't offend easily. His opinion of the car doesn't harm
me
> > one bit, and he has a way with words that I find entertaining. (Some
> others
> > do, some don't. Some chuckle when he refers to their cars as slugs;
others
> > get annoyed. So it goes.)
>
> > I love John's posts from Wacky Raccoons to theWhite Zombie story, the
> shared adventures at the Track. I have been there, too. Or WHY I drive out
> to PDX EVery year to do Woodburn. Racing is silly, but it sure advances
the
> EV Tech dept. Having Jim Husted come aboard of late. Heres a knowledgeable
> cool guy, Hotrodding motors, getting the best and most out of our poor
> tortured motors. He should build and sell the Siamese line of Racing
motors,
> to others that want to get down the track, FAST!
>
> > In fact John's opinions tell me a fair bit about John, which allows me
to
> > better evaluate how his views might apply to my needs - a good thing.
His
> > comments on the VoltsRabbit suggest to me me that I'd probably find one
> > entirely adequate. That's nice to know. ;-)
>
> > And alota stuff we ALL can know and use on the List.David? Ya gotta come
> to the Races! This year??
>
> Seeya at the races
>
> Bob
>
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Along this line of thought...wonder how long it will
be before Wayland and Matt could run 1/4 mile runs off
of capacitor only dumps to their motors, OR
at least using ultracaps to stiffen their Hawkers so
that they didn't drop down so far at 2000 Amps???
10-20-30 years???
Bob Rice wrote:
So..Fans' Stay tuned, maybe these guyz would come out to a NEDRA EVent,
show their wares? May, June,YEAH! Just in time for the Joliet thing or Power
of DC? Gees! It would be nice to see Feel Good Cars back, been pretty quiet
since they bought Jack Gretta's beautifully restored Henny Kilowatt, a few
years ago. Sadly ,Jack didn't live long enough to see Feel Good get it's act
together. Jack's equilly clean, restored MG Midget is on E Bay, now. For you
British car fans.
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The folks at Brigham Young University who got one of the EV1s are doing just
that. They drag with ultra-capacitors only.
Bill Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Joel Hacker
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: WAS: Speaking of Ignoring Ultra Cap
Along this line of thought...wonder how long it will
be before Wayland and Matt could run 1/4 mile runs off
of capacitor only dumps to their motors, OR
at least using ultracaps to stiffen their Hawkers so
that they didn't drop down so far at 2000 Amps???
10-20-30 years???
Bob Rice wrote:
>
> So..Fans' Stay tuned, maybe these guyz would come out to a NEDRA EVent,
> show their wares? May, June,YEAH! Just in time for the Joliet thing or
Power
> of DC? Gees! It would be nice to see Feel Good Cars back, been pretty
quiet
> since they bought Jack Gretta's beautifully restored Henny Kilowatt, a few
> years ago. Sadly ,Jack didn't live long enough to see Feel Good get it's
act
> together. Jack's equilly clean, restored MG Midget is on E Bay, now. For
you
> British car fans.
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<<<> The stock 1981 Rabbit weighs 1775 lbs., has 74 hp, and takes 12.6
> l-o-n-g seconds to get to 60 mph.
L-o-n-g? Maybe to John, but that sounds plenty fast to me.
I don't want to get too involved in this exchange, but I do want to point
out to both parties that "fast" and "slow" mean different things to
different people.>>>
Ya got that right! I think the initial high torque of an EV makes it seem to be
faster than it really is. But with an EV, you can have both very high
efficiency (i.e.-low watts/mile) *and* fast acceleration...with an ICE, it's
rare you'd ever see both at the same time.
The DOE specs on my Ranger list 11.6 seconds to 50mph - at nearly 5000lbs and a
peak of 87.4kw, that's not really bad, but as someone who has had the White
Zombie sitting in his driveway (still have the trailer scrape in the curb), I
too crave maximum acceleration! No-one seems to have the codes to reset my
controller for higher current, but when the Ranger first came out, it was
quicker than the ICE version - that kind of embarrassment, coupled with the
tendency for test drivers to *use* all that torque (and ruin its range) is what
got the amps turned down.
Is anyone out there getting into the "works" of their Rangers?
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I wonder what the weight savings are if you remove all the LEAD acid
batteries???
OR, maybe ultra caps are so dense that it is about the same.
Also, would love to see how many joules they can deliver compared to how
many joules Wayland uses by the time he crosses the 1/4 mile finish
line...maybe they can store and dump more than Hawkers can produce with
their (very impressive, but still real world) voltage sags???
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bill Dennis
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: WAS: Speaking of Ignoring Ultra Cap
The folks at Brigham Young University who got one of the EV1s are doing
just that. They drag with ultra-capacitors only.
Bill Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Joel Hacker
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: WAS: Speaking of Ignoring Ultra Cap
Along this line of thought...wonder how long it will be before Wayland
and Matt could run 1/4 mile runs off of capacitor only dumps to their
motors, OR
at least using ultracaps to stiffen their Hawkers so that they didn't
drop down so far at 2000 Amps???
10-20-30 years???
Bob Rice wrote:
>
> So..Fans' Stay tuned, maybe these guyz would come out to a NEDRA
> EVent, show their wares? May, June,YEAH! Just in time for the Joliet
> thing or
Power
> of DC? Gees! It would be nice to see Feel Good Cars back, been pretty
quiet
> since they bought Jack Gretta's beautifully restored Henny Kilowatt, a
> few years ago. Sadly ,Jack didn't live long enough to see Feel Good
> get it's
act
> together. Jack's equilly clean, restored MG Midget is on E Bay, now.
> For
you
> British car fans.
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Peter VanDerWal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The 20 mile range is maybe doable with 14x6V, at least with a
> new pack.
IMHO, the range is the most questionable part, when using an EV1
controller. Most EV1 users report lower range than people with
higher-frequency PWM controllers get from similar battery packs.
> Also, I don't know if your controller is like my GE
> controller, but mine won't kick in the bypass contactor
> untill the current drops quite a bit.
The EV1 will engage the bypass either of two ways: automatically, when
the controller reaches max duty cycle (low 90's percent on-time), or an
adjustable delay after the throttle is floored (if the 1A bypass switch
is wired up on the pot box). The max duty cycle bypass allows 100% duty
cycle for highest speed and allows the main SCR to cool. The "demand"
bypass is intended to allow higher starting torque for loaded lift
trucks needing to start on an incline, but can allow better acceleration
in a street EV. The bypass current is not unlimited; the motor loop
shunt is still in circuit and the controller will drop out the 1A
contactor if the max limit is exceeded.
Cheers,
Roger.
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