EV Digest 5591
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: More Insanity !!!!!!! WAS: This Just In!!
by Gnat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Sponsors- EV1 exhibit
by "EVRIDER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Addicted to Oil: Thomas L. Friedman Reporting
by "Michaela Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: EV digest 5590
by Jimmy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: 300V precharge resistor
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
6) Re: 300V precharge resistor
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Frank DIDIK opinion
by Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Frank DIDIK opinion
by Martin Klingensmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Hacked into the Dolphin's microcode
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Tropica #17 on sale on eBay for $10k, needs new batts
by "Jorg Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: More Insanity !!!!!!! WAS: This Just In!!
by "Michael Mohlere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: EV1 GONE- Smithsonian writes back again!
by John Norton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Frank DIDIK opinion, and Mine.
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: More Insanity !!!!!!! WAS: This Just In!!
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Tropica #17 on sale on eBay for $10k, needs new batts
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Frank DIDIK opinion
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: More Insanity !!!!!!! WAS: This Just In!!
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) RE: Zilla DAQ 4 mode questions or how to graph a race?
by Mike & Paula Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) RE: Zilla DAQ 4 mode questions or how to graph a race?
by "Claudio Natoli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) RE: Zilla DAQ 4 mode questions or how to graph a race?
by Mike & Paula Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Tropica #17 on sale on eBay for $10k, needs new batts
by Peter Eckhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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The thing to do is to contact the reporter who did the news clips
and see if they are willing to follow up. It can be amazing how much gets
done when it becomes public someone screwed up or didn't do their job.
Ie the cops for not nailing the guy, insurance co, etc etc.
Dave
> Hi EVerybody;
>
> Just talked to Tony. I can't believe that this can be allowed
> to happen;
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:37 PM
> Subject: Re: This Just In!!
>
>
> > I hope that trucking company had plenty of insurance!
> >
> > Mark Ward
>
> Right on Mark!
>
> The Godamn Trucking CO .DIDN"T have any insurance!!
> HOWTHEGODAMMHELL can
> you have a over the road trucking outfit, or construction Co WITHOUT
> insurance?? So I sez to Tony," I gueess you will OWN the Construction Co"
> Yeah! What's to own? he said that they have had a week to remove their
> assets from Mass of Two Shits, by now?Just like here in Corrupticut ;the
> Avon Mountain runaway dump truck, it careened down the mountain, crashing
> into several cars and a highway type bus, a nice Greyhoundy sort of thing.
> EVerything burned! Several people died(surprise) The news shots
> looked like
> Iraq, where this is a way of life.Trucking outfit was TRYING to insure the
> truck the mourning of the accident DUH! Needless to say the Insurance Co
> didn't bite.Let yur car insurance lapse for a nanosecond and you get a
> registered letter from CT DMV, AND a 200 bux fine, to get reinstated, your
> nullified plates. Butr a trukin' outfit? We don't care! Well,
> because people
> died and CT has pending lawsuits, they have tightened things up,
> well, they
> SAY??? That outfit was nabbed by CT when they moved the OTHER 15
> trux out of
> state, well, they TRIED to. So CT has some of their assets, and they
> arrested the guyz that owned it! Good starrt.
>
> Almost End of Rant. Yes goddamn it! I'm furious! What recourse
> does Tony
> have?They came and drug the truck out of the house, but the
> umpteen yards of
> dirt are STILL into the rear of the house. He can't get down cellar, or UP
> stairs as as you might have scene the smashed stairwell in the
> news reel.The
> Gas and Water still work, but no electric as the electric service
> was wiped
> out, it was on that corner of the house.So Tony is on his own,
> forchrissakes. He can borrow a chainsaw and a shovel, and dig some of the
> dirt out. City? I suggested that. He sez that they would probably come out
> and turn off the gas and water, the final insult!You wonder why
> folks leave
> cities when they can? They just don't work, anymore or at least the ones
> around here.You think that Wooster (that's how you SAY it) Public Works
> coulda sent out a crew to dig the dirt away and repair the house,they have
> carpenters and electricians, fix the electric?Helped cart away
> the burned up
> wreckage?Dream on!
>
> So that's the cheery news for today. Cities SUCK!
>
> Seeya
>
> Bob
>
> Be mindful that happiness is not based on possessions, power or
> prestiege, but on relationships with people you love and respect.
>
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This exhibition is made possible by generous support from:
General Motors Corporation
AAA
State Farm Companies Foundation
The History Channel
United States Congress
U.S. Department of Transportation
ExxonMobil
American Public Transportation Association
American Road & Transportation Builders Association
Association of American Railroads
National Asphalt Pavement Association
The UPS Foundation
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-EVRIDER
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Well .. I haven't been at a gas station for .. hmm .. 8 months or so.
Though I don't live in a big city (actually the opposite ;) I am lucky
because everything I need is in range. Well, almost everything as I have
to make a 30 Miles drive every Saturday. Safti would easily make the 30
Miles, but, since I don't like to drain my batteries less than 50% DOD, I
lobbied the owner of the place I have to drive to, to install a nice 220V
dryer outlet so I am able to plug in and charge for two hours or so. I
even put a 'EV Charging Area' sign out. Since I live in South Texas (right
between a gas compactor and a oil well pump) it is almost blasphemy to
drive an EV here ..
I am perfectly happy with my EV though I haven't been in Houston for a
long time. Just too far out of range. That is why God (or was it Al Gore?)
invented the Internet and Online Shopping.
So - yes, I guess there are plenty of people out there that haven't been
at a gas pump in quite some time ...
Michaela
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Mike,
I think most of us agree there are groups that would like the all electric
car to just go away. The problem for them is that it won't, not because
there are just a few looney's that like them now as a hobby and they will
eventually fade away - but because there is a true want and need for
something that runs on something other than gas or diesel. Look around
you (virtually) - what is happening in lists like this one - is a group of
individuals supporting each other to sustain a real need that the "powers
that be" are refusing to fulfill. As a result, a network develops to fill
that need - just like in Business 101 class - supply and demand. Ok, I
will say it, right now there is a demand and the only thing filling it on
this side of the pond is an underground network of people building and
refurbishing used or homebuilt vehicles. A video documenting all of us
filling our need for EVs WITHOUT the big 3 or govn't would be one heck of
a story!
If I may wander for a moment, as far a all the negative press in govn't
and media - it only take 2 people to form a conspiracy - lets see - how
many people work in the govn't and the press? Some people think the
definition of conspiracy is along the lines of believing in the tooth
fairy. Think of it this way - most people are born as a result of a
conspiracy between their parents to have children. If the word is too
dark - then just say "two or more people agreed".
Hang in There,
Jimmy
Check out:
https://dm3electrics.com/
>
> From: Mike & Paula Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Addicted to Oil: Thomas L. Friedman Reporting
> Someone tell me again why shows like this do not highlight any of the
> progress made on the home conversion front? Many of you seem to avoid
> gas
> stations for very long periods of time. I've gone nearly a month and so
> far
> have only driven the gasser 1 day since the conversion hit the road. Do
> we have within the community what it takes to make a movie? Has anyone
> approached Chris Paine on making a sequal on the rebirth of the
electric
> car?
>
> Mike,
> Anchorage, Ak.
>
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Jay,
Careful there... Let's say you are at 295 volts with a 100 resistor. The peak
power when you engage the pre-charge resistor is pretty high... 295^2 / 100 =
870.25 watts. 15 watt resistor might be OK (assuming it is of the wire wound
type). I'd probably go a bit bigger, perhaps 50 watt or so.
Also beware of the peak current when selecting your relay. Peak inrush would
be 295 / 100 = 2.95 amps.
If you can I'd try to find a relay that is rated for the voltage and current.
Regards,
Chris Brune
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> In hooking up a Godzilla 1800 controller (pre-hairball), it requires a
> precharge
> resistor, so I'm trying to find an appropriate 12V relay to bring in the
> resistor.
> Per the manual;
> ====================
> This controller must be
> precharged with a 100 to 200 ohm resistor (15 watts is fine) before the main
> contactor is engaged. The main contactor should not be engaged until the
> controller has risen to within 10 volts of the pack voltage.
> To insure this it is imperative that there is a voltmeter connected to the
> Battery terminals of the controller and that it is checked for voltage before
> the main contactor is engaged.
> ====================
> So, we're not talking about much power going through this relay, but it needs
> to
> handle up to 295 volts from my 240V nominal nicad pack....
> A fuse and 12V relay to pass 0.05 amps at 295 volts? Any suggestions? Before
> I
> hook in a regular automotive relay, who's blown some of these up so I don't
> have
> to?
>
> -Jay
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM.
> All on demand. Always Free.
>
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Note:
1) Use a 50 watt power resistor, nothing less. They take a lot of
strain. I think we use 150 ohm 50 watt resistors and wait the 5 or so
seconds.
2) Use a contactor, not a relay. I recommend the small kilovac that has
a make/break rating of 300+ volts DC.
I've seen these blow up in the Dolphins from time to time.
Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jay,
Careful there... Let's say you are at 295 volts with a 100 resistor. The peak
power when you engage the pre-charge resistor is pretty high... 295^2 / 100 =
870.25 watts. 15 watt resistor might be OK (assuming it is of the wire wound
type). I'd probably go a bit bigger, perhaps 50 watt or so.
Also beware of the peak current when selecting your relay. Peak inrush would
be 295 / 100 = 2.95 amps.
If you can I'd try to find a relay that is rated for the voltage and current.
Regards,
Chris Brune
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In hooking up a Godzilla 1800 controller (pre-hairball), it requires a precharge
resistor, so I'm trying to find an appropriate 12V relay to bring in the
resistor.
Per the manual;
====================
This controller must be
precharged with a 100 to 200 ohm resistor (15 watts is fine) before the main
contactor is engaged. The main contactor should not be engaged until the
controller has risen to within 10 volts of the pack voltage.
To insure this it is imperative that there is a voltmeter connected to the
Battery terminals of the controller and that it is checked for voltage before
the main contactor is engaged.
====================
So, we're not talking about much power going through this relay, but it needs to
handle up to 295 volts from my 240V nominal nicad pack....
A fuse and 12V relay to pass 0.05 amps at 295 volts? Any suggestions? Before I
hook in a regular automotive relay, who's blown some of these up so I don't have
to?
-Jay
________________________________________________________________________
Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM.
All on demand. Always Free.
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Ran across this, was wondering others reaction/opinion to his writings,
http://www.didik.com/criticalev.htm
most specifically,
".. the cost to run a small electric car (non-hybrid) is about three
times more than a conventional economy gasoline car. Since the cost of
electricity tends to more or less follow the cost of fuel, it is
unlikely that this ratio will change in the future. Electric cars are
fun to have and drive, but you will not save money, nor will you really
help the environment."
thought it might be out of date, but was updated 2005.
I think he did make a good point about the weight of electric vehicles
which I agree with, there really needs to be better, lighter, more
econmical way to store electrical power than Lead batteries. I guess
this is the fuel cell, but that seems pretty far off. A wind-up spring?
Jack
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One thing I dislike is his comment that batteries "pollute" while
charging, giving off hydrogen and oxygen that could explode ...
While batteries do gas a little, it is my understanding that this is
minimal and SHOULD be minimal otherwise you are just cooking the life
out of your batteries. Am I wrong?
He goes on to say that "electro-magnetic emissions" from the batteries
could cause "various human ailments" If this is the case, then we'd all
have major issues and NOT from electric cars.
I think he tries to have an answer for everything, that he may not
really know enough about to be an authority - regardless of his
experience. Reading this list for a while leads me to believe he is a
bit outdated.
His EM thoughts remind me of the MD who was telling people not to talk
on their cellphones in a lightning storm because it could attract the
lightning.
--
Martin K
Jack Murray wrote:
> Ran across this, was wondering others reaction/opinion to his writings,
> http://www.didik.com/criticalev.htm
>
> most specifically,
>
> ".. the cost to run a small electric car (non-hybrid) is about three
> times more than a conventional economy gasoline car. Since the cost of
> electricity tends to more or less follow the cost of fuel, it is
> unlikely that this ratio will change in the future. Electric cars are
> fun to have and drive, but you will not save money, nor will you
> really help the environment."
>
> thought it might be out of date, but was updated 2005.
> I think he did make a good point about the weight of electric vehicles
> which I agree with, there really needs to be better, lighter, more
> econmical way to store electrical power than Lead batteries. I guess
> this is the fuel cell, but that seems pretty far off. A wind-up spring?
>
> Jack
>
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Just a note: This evening after a weekend of trying I was able to build
a circuit that allows me complete access to the 68HC711K4 microprocessor
in the Hughes AC Dolphin. I can now see and modify all the parameters.
First order is to fix the stranded chips that got messed up via DOLCOM.
Next up is 80kw Prizm update. Then maybe 100kw; I liked Ed Ang's car in
CA and want one of my own.
Or I could double the IGBTs in a daughter box and go to 160kw. What
would a 160kw AC powered Geo Prizm do? Before the diff explodes :-)
Chris
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Wow - sold for $17,877.77, with 3 bidders willing to pay above $17,000!
Not bad for a car whose suggested retail base price was $11,900.00
($15,665.00 with options, and $14,098.00 after federal tax credit)
Between this and the RAV4 EVs, we're starting to see a trend that
electric cars have higher resell value than original price!
On 6/24/06, Jorg Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Disclaimer: I have no connection whatsoever to the owner or to eBay; I
would buy this car if I weren't already monetarily involved in 2 other
EVs...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4653042632
==>
For Sale: Extremely rare 1995 Renaissance Tropica, lettered for Zebra
and purchased at the bankruptcy auction of Xebra Motors in Alameda,
CA. This is production car No. 17 out of a maximum of 22 vehicles. The
car is powered by 12, 6 volt deep discharge batteries. The battery
pack is flat and will need to be changed. It is currently titled and
registered in CA as a stored vehicle, with approximately 3,000 miles.
The seller is the first registered owner.
<==
There's lots of other info in the eBay motors listing.
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All -
Well, I know I'm getting off the subject, but I just can't help myself. You
should try "evicting" a non-paying renter in Alabama (I'm in the middle of
this right now) - and I hear it is worse in other states:
- First, you are required to post (2) x (2 week) notices, so there goes a
MONTH
- Then, you can PAY the Sheriff $256 to post another 2 week notice, however,
it takes 2 weeks for the judge to SIGN off on the notice, so there goes
another MONTH
- Just IN CASE you thought you were out of the woods, the tenant can, at any
time, file a "counteraffadavit" (or some such BS) claiming he has been
treated unfairyly, in which case you get to wait another MONTH for a court
date and, if you're lucky (I suppose), the judge will order them out of the
house, and the Sheriff will help you get them out.
Once again, 3 MONTHS to evict this low life, who HAS a job, but if I don't
pay property tax on the place, the State of Alabama will sell it out from
under me in a heart beat to collect same...
There are plenty of beds (and 3 squares) at the local homeless shelters, so
it is not like this worthless POS would be left out in the heat or cold (or
be hungry), even though, quite frankly, he deserves nothing better.
I hope Tony's insurance will provide some relief for him. His story IS
unbelievable.
Mike
From: Gnat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: RE: More Insanity !!!!!!! WAS: This Just In!!
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:18:55 -0700
The thing to do is to contact the reporter who did the news clips
and see if they are willing to follow up. It can be amazing how much gets
done when it becomes public someone screwed up or didn't do their job.
Ie the cops for not nailing the guy, insurance co, etc etc.
Dave
> Hi EVerybody;
>
> Just talked to Tony. I can't believe that this can be allowed
> to happen;
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:37 PM
> Subject: Re: This Just In!!
>
>
> > I hope that trucking company had plenty of insurance!
> >
> > Mark Ward
>
> Right on Mark!
>
> The Godamn Trucking CO .DIDN"T have any insurance!!
> HOWTHEGODAMMHELL can
> you have a over the road trucking outfit, or construction Co WITHOUT
> insurance?? So I sez to Tony," I gueess you will OWN the Construction
Co"
> Yeah! What's to own? he said that they have had a week to remove their
> assets from Mass of Two Shits, by now?Just like here in Corrupticut ;the
> Avon Mountain runaway dump truck, it careened down the mountain,
crashing
> into several cars and a highway type bus, a nice Greyhoundy sort of
thing.
> EVerything burned! Several people died(surprise) The news shots
> looked like
> Iraq, where this is a way of life.Trucking outfit was TRYING to insure
the
> truck the mourning of the accident DUH! Needless to say the Insurance Co
> didn't bite.Let yur car insurance lapse for a nanosecond and you get a
> registered letter from CT DMV, AND a 200 bux fine, to get reinstated,
your
> nullified plates. Butr a trukin' outfit? We don't care! Well,
> because people
> died and CT has pending lawsuits, they have tightened things up,
> well, they
> SAY??? That outfit was nabbed by CT when they moved the OTHER 15
> trux out of
> state, well, they TRIED to. So CT has some of their assets, and they
> arrested the guyz that owned it! Good starrt.
>
> Almost End of Rant. Yes goddamn it! I'm furious! What recourse
> does Tony
> have?They came and drug the truck out of the house, but the
> umpteen yards of
> dirt are STILL into the rear of the house. He can't get down cellar, or
UP
> stairs as as you might have scene the smashed stairwell in the
> news reel.The
> Gas and Water still work, but no electric as the electric service
> was wiped
> out, it was on that corner of the house.So Tony is on his own,
> forchrissakes. He can borrow a chainsaw and a shovel, and dig some of
the
> dirt out. City? I suggested that. He sez that they would probably come
out
> and turn off the gas and water, the final insult!You wonder why
> folks leave
> cities when they can? They just don't work, anymore or at least the ones
> around here.You think that Wooster (that's how you SAY it) Public Works
> coulda sent out a crew to dig the dirt away and repair the house,they
have
> carpenters and electricians, fix the electric?Helped cart away
> the burned up
> wreckage?Dream on!
>
> So that's the cheery news for today. Cities SUCK!
>
> Seeya
>
> Bob
>
> Be mindful that happiness is not based on possessions, power or
> prestiege, but on relationships with people you love and respect.
>
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On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 1:34, Chip Gribben wrote:
So its not exactly quite cut and dry here.
1) The Smithsonian claims they did not know about the movie but they
turned Chris down in his initial request to film there.
I'm sorry, but you are the one being dishonest here. The response you
got did not say that they did not know about the movie. They said the
decision to move the exhibit was made before anyone at the Smithsonian
knew the release date of the movie. That's an entirely different
statement, and not in contradiction to having turned down the
filmmaker.
You are trying too hard to prove your conspiracy here.
2) They say they are unbiased but in the display they say the car
"failed".
Well, of course they are biased, but again, not what the reply said -
the movie was/is political, they couldn't provide support for one
political side or the other. To say that the EV1 failed may or may not
be evidence of bias, but it certainly isn't political.
Biased or not, it is a statement of truth - it failed, whether it was
because GM wanted it to fail or some other reason.
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From: "Jack Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 1:07 AM
Subject: Frank DIDIK opinion
> Ran across this, was wondering others reaction/opinion to his writings,
> http://www.didik.com/criticalev.htm
Hi Jack an EVerybody;
I have met Frank Didik, He makes some good points, but I don't go with
all of them. Have seen some of his stuff, not impressed. A real"science
Project "guy. Duct tape bailing wire stuff. He means well, but if he were
serious about EV's he would be hanging with us. He is WHAY out in left
field, and wants to stay there. I don't like to diss anybody, but he isn't
up to date with his facts and figures.I don't think he could wrap his mind
around a good Wayland conversion, like the Blue Meenie. Or has he been West
of the Hudson River?
>
> most specifically,
>
> ".. the cost to run a small electric car (non-hybrid) is about three
> times more than a conventional economy gasoline car. Since the cost of
> electricity tends to more or less follow the cost of fuel, it is
> unlikely that this ratio will change in the future. Electric cars are
> fun to have and drive, but you will not save money, nor will you really
> help the environment."
>
Yeah I hear you. Here in CT we are getting f....ked by the local power
co's Thank you Emron, they have set the pace for out of control electric
rate increases. In the good old daze here, electricity was regulated as a
public utility and 'lectric Co's were allowed to make a fair rate on their
investment. Power plants, and stuff.Now they, Conn. Light an' Power had to
sell off the power plants, to some other outfits, to get around regulation,
they BUY the power and with this other step, or hand in your pocket, they
raise the rates just like that. The phony polititions ring their hands in
defeat. Say that they are gumnna DO something. Yeah! Right!They look the
other way, and we are up to 16 Cents a KWH, and they are talking of
MORE.They clain the oil prices are to blame, although we hava lot of Hydro
and Nuke here and coal. Coal looks pretty darn good, now.Oil only duz a
small sliver of the energy pie here.Mostly for a few Muni plants that have
threir own Diseasel Plants, with stuff like Superior Diseasels, that you
would find in rather large ships. This is a brand of engine, like Advanced
DC Motors.Fun stuff to see, like visiting any power plant.Deregulation was
to spur competition, Yeah Right! The NIMBIES won't let C,Lan' P string POWER
LINES to pass power around the state. It would take an act of war to BUILD a
new power plant in Corrupticut.HMMMM If I hafd enough money, and political
Pull I could run 'stench cords up to Canada. buy their power and resel it
here?Stench cords in the form of zillion volt hy -wires.Yeah,TRY to get
across Mass Vermont and all the NIMBIES there,Ha Ha!
Doug Korthof, and others in CA and other sunny places has the right
idea. Make your own. Sunlite still is free, last I heard? The rest of us
will just hafta get shafted and smile.
OK next argument; Too quiet? Lousy argument! Let Darwin's principle
work. After all your Mom TOLD you to look both ways BEFORE crossing the
street!We can make laws but people are stupid. People have been run over in
NYC by Subway trains, by going down on the trak to retreave a cell fone!As a
train driver I have had many many near misses with trespassers, and a few
hits. Shallow end of the gene pool! What do ya expect walking on RR trax?
Butterflies?
All you folks that still run gas cars, and that is a bunch of you, me
too. the cost of tune ups, Mufflers, coolint flushing for Radiater , when
that damn "check Engine" lite comes on, it doesn't tell YOU whast is wrong.
No sir ree, you gotta go to the damn dealer to have THEM tell you what's
wrong. Several hundred bux and you are on your way.Nobody drives away from a
dealer for LESS than a few hundred bux.
Now I'm talking from my point of view. I do all my own work on cars.
Been a charter menber of the Poverty Motor Club, ever since I have owned an
automobile. I probably had close to 100 in my years driving, I'm an old
fart, but started driving, well, LEGALLY, at 16, but really at 11, as those
that know me I'm a big galoote., could reach the pedals at 11<g>! I broke
the cycle a few years ago when I bought a Prius with 13k miles with the New
Car Smell, even.Were still honeymooning, Gees A car that I don't have to
diddle with, to keep going. The Prius just runs, turn the key, put it in
Drive and aim it. But it STILL is a damn GAS CAR.I don't WANT to work on gas
cars anymore! In that I hafta take the greasy engine out of the Jetta and
Plymouth Sun dunce is not appealing!
> thought it might be out of date, but was updated 2005.
> I think he did make a good point about the weight of electric vehicles
> which I agree with, there really needs to be better, lighter, more
> econmical way to store electrical power than Lead batteries. I guess
> this is the fuel cell, but that seems pretty far off. A wind-up spring?
>
Yeah, as converting cars is an excersize in masachism! Was out in my
garage fitting the new battery racks into the damn Sentra. Cutting,
grinding,It wasn't DESIGNED to be an electric. When I, big as I am, have to
strain to push it, WITHOUT the batteries into the garage, uphill a tad,
there is something wrong. Godamn car is TOO heavy to start with! Like
Jerry's Freedom 3 wheeler, If I can't push THAT into my garage with one
hand, WITHout the batteries, I would be surprised. I'll bet I could push two
EV-1's tied together, without the batteries aboard? Weight is a killer! You
don't see many steel airplanes?Surfboards, or gliders. Boats, I mean small
ones, not the Titanic. So I grumble about the car's tare weight BEFORE I put
any batteries ,or my dead ass ,aboard.
My point here is an EV, like a plane or train, hasta be purposely
designed. Duh! The EV-1 was a classic example. Only new car I woulda bought,
had they, General Murders, let me!!!! Look at it this way, if all cars were
electric. Yeah I'm dreaming, and you wanted to build a GAS car. OK design
your engine, have the block cast and machined, crankshaft forged, pistons
machined. Figure how you are gunna store all that damn flamable gas aboard,
IF you could buy any. Build it, get it insured, drive it on the public
street, legally, nobody would insure you. You probably have to get an
operating enginerr's licence to drive it. We have it easy with a simple
electric motor. But it isn't easy to just haul off and build your own car,
from scratch! Ask Jerry Dycus about that!Or me, after my tour of duty at
Citicar.
Led acid batteries are relatively cheap, CAN make a useful EV, although
, personally,I think they suck! Half your range if it's cold, they don't
like extreame heat, like in Phoenix.They don't like hy amps, Pukeert's law
in effect.The real batteries are here, now, we all know why we don't have
them. I'm preaching to the choir, here.
Sooooo we hafta make do with conversions until SOMEbody gets a purpose
designed EV into production. The race is on, US, China, Korea, France,
Norway, Germany, EVen the Indians! So it's anybodies call, but I'm gunna get
another conversion going. Think of it like a sailboat; They need a lot of
fussing to fit out, can I get by another year on a suit of sails, NEED that
new genoa , or spinniker. Cheaper to buy a motorboat? Well, if you think car
gas is high, swing by the local marina!By now they should be GIVING away
motorboats!Well, Engine boats, real MOTOR boats would be a
electric.Terminology.Any boat is getting just silly to buy and maintain!
OK end of rant.
My two sails worth.
Bob
Be mindful that happiness is not based on possessions , power or
prestiege, but on relationships with people you love and respect.
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From: "Michael Mohlere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 2:52 AM
Subject: RE: More Insanity !!!!!!! WAS: This Just In!!
> All -
>
> Well, I know I'm getting off the subject, but I just can't help myself.
You
> should try "evicting" a non-paying renter in Alabama (I'm in the middle of
> this right now) - and I hear it is worse in other states:
>
> - First, you are required to post (2) x (2 week) notices, so there goes a
> MONTH
> - Then, you can PAY the Sheriff $256 to post another 2 week notice,
however,
> it takes 2 weeks for the judge to SIGN off on the notice, so there goes
> another MONTH
> - Just IN CASE you thought you were out of the woods, the tenant can, at
any
> time, file a "counteraffadavit" (or some such BS) claiming he has been
> treated unfairyly, in which case you get to wait another MONTH for a court
> date and, if you're lucky (I suppose), the judge will order them out of
the
> house, and the Sheriff will help you get them out.
>
> Once again, 3 MONTHS to evict this low life, who HAS a job, but if I don't
> pay property tax on the place, the State of Alabama will sell it out from
> under me in a heart beat to collect same...
>
> There are plenty of beds (and 3 squares) at the local homeless shelters,
so
> it is not like this worthless POS would be left out in the heat or cold
(or
> be hungry), even though, quite frankly, he deserves nothing better.
>
> I hope Tony's insurance will provide some relief for him. His story IS
> unbelievable.
>
> Mike
>
> Hi Mike;
The laws to protect us. Yeah, right. I have given thought to all the Tony
Thing. He might have a case against the State of, oh, 'cuse me, Commonwealth
of Mass. After all THEY let this outfit operate on their streets, and didn't
shut them down last Feb 31 or so, for not being insured?So he COULD, well
maybe collect from them?
Just a thought
Bob
>
> >From: Gnat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> >To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> >Subject: RE: More Insanity !!!!!!! WAS: This Just In!!
> >Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:18:55 -0700
> >
> >The thing to do is to contact the reporter who did the news clips
> >and see if they are willing to follow up. It can be amazing how much gets
> >done when it becomes public someone screwed up or didn't do their job.
> >Ie the cops for not nailing the guy, insurance co, etc etc.
> >
> >Dave
> >
> > > Hi EVerybody;
> > >
> > > Just talked to Tony. I can't believe that this can be allowed
> > > to happen;
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mark Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:37 PM
> > > Subject: Re: This Just In!!
> > >
> > >
> > > > I hope that trucking company had plenty of insurance!
> > > >
> > > > Mark Ward
> > >
> > > Right on Mark!
> > >
> > > The Godamn Trucking CO .DIDN"T have any insurance!!
> > > HOWTHEGODAMMHELL can
> > > you have a over the road trucking outfit, or construction Co WITHOUT
> > > insurance?? So I sez to Tony," I gueess you will OWN the Construction
> >Co"
> > > Yeah! What's to own? he said that they have had a week to remove their
> > > assets from Mass of Two Shits, by now?Just like here in Corrupticut
;the
> > > Avon Mountain runaway dump truck, it careened down the mountain,
> >crashing
> > > into several cars and a highway type bus, a nice Greyhoundy sort of
> >thing.
> > > EVerything burned! Several people died(surprise) The news shots
> > > looked like
> > > Iraq, where this is a way of life.Trucking outfit was TRYING to insure
> >the
> > > truck the mourning of the accident DUH! Needless to say the Insurance
Co
> > > didn't bite.Let yur car insurance lapse for a nanosecond and you get a
> > > registered letter from CT DMV, AND a 200 bux fine, to get reinstated,
> >your
> > > nullified plates. Butr a trukin' outfit? We don't care! Well,
> > > because people
> > > died and CT has pending lawsuits, they have tightened things up,
> > > well, they
> > > SAY??? That outfit was nabbed by CT when they moved the OTHER 15
> > > trux out of
> > > state, well, they TRIED to. So CT has some of their assets, and they
> > > arrested the guyz that owned it! Good starrt.
> > >
> > > Almost End of Rant. Yes goddamn it! I'm furious! What recourse
> > > does Tony
> > > have?They came and drug the truck out of the house, but the
> > > umpteen yards of
> > > dirt are STILL into the rear of the house. He can't get down cellar,
or
> >UP
> > > stairs as as you might have scene the smashed stairwell in the
> > > news reel.The
> > > Gas and Water still work, but no electric as the electric service
> > > was wiped
> > > out, it was on that corner of the house.So Tony is on his own,
> > > forchrissakes. He can borrow a chainsaw and a shovel, and dig some of
> >the
> > > dirt out. City? I suggested that. He sez that they would probably come
> >out
> > > and turn off the gas and water, the final insult!You wonder why
> > > folks leave
> > > cities when they can? They just don't work, anymore or at least the
ones
> > > around here.You think that Wooster (that's how you SAY it) Public
Works
> > > coulda sent out a crew to dig the dirt away and repair the house,they
> >have
> > > carpenters and electricians, fix the electric?Helped cart away
> > > the burned up
> > > wreckage?Dream on!
> > >
> > > So that's the cheery news for today. Cities SUCK!
> > >
> > > Seeya
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > Be mindful that happiness is not based on possessions, power or
> > > prestiege, but on relationships with people you love and respect.
> > >
> >
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorg Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: Tropica #17 on sale on eBay for $10k, needs new batts
> Wow - sold for $17,877.77, with 3 bidders willing to pay above $17,000!
>
> Not bad for a car whose suggested retail base price was $11,900.00
> ($15,665.00 with options, and $14,098.00 after federal tax credit)
>
> Between this and the RAV4 EVs, we're starting to see a trend that
> electric cars have higher resell value than original price!
> WHO bought it? Anybody we know?? Like Will Rodgers said about real
estate prices; Well, they aint making any more"
Same with 'lectric cars.Maybe not Citi cars<g>!
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I don't go to his site anyore and I have permanently blocked his emails
after he harvested my address from the EVDL and started spamming me. He
claimed I signed up for spam on his website, which is complete BS,
because:
A) I dont' sign up on websites, and
B) even if I did, I wouldn't use my EVDL address since it is used ONLY for
the EVDL.
> One thing I dislike is his comment that batteries "pollute" while
> charging, giving off hydrogen and oxygen that could explode ...
> While batteries do gas a little, it is my understanding that this is
> minimal and SHOULD be minimal otherwise you are just cooking the life
> out of your batteries. Am I wrong?
> He goes on to say that "electro-magnetic emissions" from the batteries
> could cause "various human ailments" If this is the case, then we'd all
> have major issues and NOT from electric cars.
> I think he tries to have an answer for everything, that he may not
> really know enough about to be an authority - regardless of his
> experience. Reading this list for a while leads me to believe he is a
> bit outdated.
>
> His EM thoughts remind me of the MD who was telling people not to talk
> on their cellphones in a lightning storm because it could attract the
> lightning.
>
> --
> Martin K
>
> Jack Murray wrote:
>
>> Ran across this, was wondering others reaction/opinion to his writings,
>> http://www.didik.com/criticalev.htm
>>
>> most specifically,
>>
>> ".. the cost to run a small electric car (non-hybrid) is about three
>> times more than a conventional economy gasoline car. Since the cost of
>> electricity tends to more or less follow the cost of fuel, it is
>> unlikely that this ratio will change in the future. Electric cars are
>> fun to have and drive, but you will not save money, nor will you
>> really help the environment."
>>
>> thought it might be out of date, but was updated 2005.
>> I think he did make a good point about the weight of electric vehicles
>> which I agree with, there really needs to be better, lighter, more
>> econmical way to store electrical power than Lead batteries. I guess
>> this is the fuel cell, but that seems pretty far off. A wind-up spring?
>>
>> Jack
>>
>
>
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On 26 Jun 2006 at 1:52, Michael Mohlere wrote:
> non-paying renter ...
Folks, please don't respond to this off-topic post. I've contacted the
sender privately about it.
Thanks.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Matt,
Any chance you have that FasTrack program compiled? I'd love to take a look
at it. I just captured a several mile run and am working on calibrating the
hex values to real numbers.
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Matthew D. Graham
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 10:56 AM
> To: 'ev@listproc.sjsu.edu'
> Subject: RE: Zilla DAQ 4 mode questions or how to graph a race?
>
>
> Matt Graham wrote:
>
> ...We'd love to get feedback from everyone, especially after people
> have had a
> chance to use it. (Hmmm . . .the ability to specify temperature
> scale--Deg.
> F or C would be nice). Shawn or I will let everyone know in a future post
> when the compiled executable is available for grabbin'.
>
> Hope you like it!
>
> Matt Graham
>
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Hi Matt, Shawn,
Mike Willmon writes:
> Any chance you have that FasTrack program compiled?
> I'd love to take a look at it.
Same here. I've been keeping an eye out for a follow up post :-), and
periodically checking the url given previously
(http://www.suncoast.net/fastrack.htm)
Any news?
Cheers,
Claudio
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Mark,
I'm interested in this app.
Is it we based, or were you offering to make it available on the PlasmaBoy
website?
thanks
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Mark Farver
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:10 PM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: Zilla DAQ 4 mode questions or how to graph a race?
...
> Mark Farver wrote:
> The app I use for John's plots: http://www.plasmaboyracing.com/plots.php
> is web based.. Upload a DAQ4 capture file and it will graph the
> results... if there is any interest I will make it available on
> his website.
>
> Mark Farver
>
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That's not a request for bid, that's a **history** lesson!!
Jorg Brown wrote:
Wow - sold for $17,877.77, with 3 bidders willing to pay above $17,000!
Not bad for a car whose suggested retail base price was $11,900.00
($15,665.00 with options, and $14,098.00 after federal tax credit)
Between this and the RAV4 EVs, we're starting to see a trend that
electric cars have higher resell value than original price!
On 6/24/06, Jorg Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Disclaimer: I have no connection whatsoever to the owner or to eBay; I
would buy this car if I weren't already monetarily involved in 2 other
EVs...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4653042632
==>
For Sale: Extremely rare 1995 Renaissance Tropica, lettered for Zebra
and purchased at the bankruptcy auction of Xebra Motors in Alameda,
CA. This is production car No. 17 out of a maximum of 22 vehicles. The
car is powered by 12, 6 volt deep discharge batteries. The battery
pack is flat and will need to be changed. It is currently titled and
registered in CA as a stored vehicle, with approximately 3,000 miles.
The seller is the first registered owner.
<==
There's lots of other info in the eBay motors listing.
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