EV Digest 5590
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: BASIC Stamp 2 on sale
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: BASIC Stamp 2 on sale
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Smithsonian caught in a lie (was: EV1 GONE- Smithsonian writes
back again!)
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: GM Hybrid Plug-in
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: EV1 GONE- Smithsonian writes back again!
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Response back from the Smithsonian
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: GM Hybrid Plug-in, EV Business
by Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Addicted to Oil: Thomas L. Friedman Reporting
by Mike & Paula Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) RIP, Red Beastie
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: GM Hybrid Plug-in, EV Business
by Mike & Paula Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Dragtimes Featured Car of the Month
by Mike & Paula Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: EV1 GONE- Smithsonian writes back again!
by "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Addicted to Oil: Thomas L. Friedman Reporting
by "Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Solar EV with some weird "Bling bling"
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: New Optimas and charging difficulties
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Ampabout ... 3kw genset
by "Joseph H. Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) White Zombie Runs this Friday Night at PIR June 30th
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Hydraulic Hybrid?
by "Jonathan Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Hydraulic Hybrid?
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Listing Yahoo Groups
by Peter Eckhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Hydraulic Hybrid?
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) More Insanity !!!!!!! WAS: This Just In!!
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: BASIC Stamp 2 on sale
by Martin K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Danny Miller wrote:
> PICs don't use external memory chips, except in special cases.
The BASIC Stamps are one of these special cases. They all use an
external EEPROM to hold the program and nonvolatile data. You could use
flash, but it is less reliable.
> The tiny 5v reg on a Stamp is likely to be pointless, because it
> can't power the rest of the board requiring you to add a reg anyways.
The Stamp regulators can supply 30ma or so for external loads. That's
enough for most simple projects.
> The newer PICs have internal oscillators and internal reset options.
Except that these are inaccurate RC oscillators. The Stamps have ceramic
resonators or crystal oscillators that are much more accurate.
> So at that point the only thing the Stamp has is an on-board RS232
> transceiver, which is only a $0.50-$2 component with 2 power wires,
> a few caps, and 4 signal connections if you want bidirectional comm.
Thus you'd have to buy and wire these parts yourelf. The Stamps provide
them for you.
> I see where you could argue the case that it's slightly easier to
> do a simple starting task. But then you want to build it into a
> product or something that needs more power, what do you have?
I agree; no one would use the Stamp in a commercial product. As soon as
you've built a dozen you've spent more on the Stamps than it would have
cost to design and program a custom micro.
> Not a lot of useful microcontroller experience, no usable code, etc.
> Basically it's nearly a dead end street.
On the contrary! I think the builder would have learned a *lot* about
the practicalities of applying a micrcomputer to a real problem. He
could copy the Stamp circuits and program it the same using a PIC BASIC
compiler, which is the simplest upgrade route. Or, when he gets more
ambitious, design his own circuits and program it in C or Assembler.
--
Ring the bells that you can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in
-- Leonard Cohen
--
Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Danny Miller wrote:
> I think the gumstix qualifies as a Single Board Computer. They can do
> some pretty useful and flashy things, but a simple microcontroller is
> usually more appropriate for simple tasks.
Frankly, I can't figure out how one would do anything useful with a
gumstix. It doesn't have any I/O! The USB ports are only good for
talking to other computer-controlled devices. Look at all the things
that you can connect directly to a BASIC stamp with no hardware at all;
switches, LEDs, pots, servomotors, 9v battery for power, etc. The
gumstix doesn't have *any* of these interfaces.
--
Ring the bells that you can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in
-- Leonard Cohen
--
Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If you read the Director' blog, the Smithsonian knew about the film
well before July 05. They refused to allow him permission to film the
EV1 in their museum!
Here is the Smithsonian's reply to the filming request:
Date: July 1, 2005 8:26:14 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Filming at the Smithsonian
Natalie & Jessie,
A bit of bad news. We have discussed your treatment with our
colleagues here and have done additional research into your project.
As the Smithsonian Institution and part of the federal government we
must remain neutral and are unable to promote a specific point of
view. Therefore we are unable to approve your request for filming. I
wish you the best with your project.
The Smithsonian wrote to Eric Gorodetzky:
The decision to rotate out the EV1 this summer was made in January
2006, long before any release dates for the film were known.
But they knew the film was being made.......
Bill Dube'
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On 24 Jun 2006 at 17:07, gail donaldson lucas wrote:
> GM developing hybrid electric vehicle
Please forgive my skepticism, but I think it's justified. In 1978, GM told
me that I'd be able to drop by my local showroom and buy an electric
Chevette by 1980.
I'm still waiting.
I'll believe this GM is sincere when such a vehicle reaches the Chevrolet
dealer a few miles from here.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Hi David,
Actually, someone in the Smithsonian did know about the movie because
Chris Paine asked for permission to film the car while he was
producing the picture. Chris was turned down because the Smithsonian
wanted to stay neutral and not be involved in a production that was
biased one way or the other.
However, we got Chris into the Smithsonian anyway to take some
pictures of the car. Tourists take pictures anyway so what was the
difference? So we met Chris at the museum one day and they quickly
set up their equipment and took some pictures for the film. hehehe :-)
Now I can understand the Smithsonian's point of view about staying
neutral. BUT . . . apparently, in their display they said the EV1 was
"failed" technology and gave parallels to the Tucker. If they aren't
biased one way or the other what gives them the right to say the EV1
"failed"? That doesn't sound unbiased to me. It sounds like their
corporate sponsor . . . GM . . . talking.
Chris mentions this in his blog that I posted earlier.
http://www.ifmagazine.com
One of the head curators, Peter Liebhold, has claimed that he did not
know about the movie. I will give him the benefit of the doubt
because Peter has been very open with us in discussions to move the
car. He said he honestly did not know about the movie. But at some
point the Smithsonian did know because as I mentioned Chris did ask
for permission to film the car there. I imagine it was the front
office who just sends out canned responses and the request didn't
travel up the chain of command. The Smithsonian is a huge institution
and like all government institutions has layers of beuracracy (never
can spell that word). But I actually cannot say one way or the other
if Peter or Roger Smith, the curator for the car, actually did know
about the request from Chris. It sounds like Peter didn't. Not sure
about Roger.
So its not exactly quite cut and dry here.
1) The Smithsonian claims they did not know about the movie but they
turned Chris down in his initial request to film there.
2) They say they are unbiased but in the display they say the car
"failed".
Peter did send us a response to all the hoopla concerning the EV1. I
will go ahead and post it.
Chip Gribben
EVA/DC Webmaster
http://www.evadc.org
From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: June 24, 2006 1:49:52 PM EDT
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: EV1 GONE- Smithsonian writes back again!
I know this looks bad for the Smithsonian, but let's not be too
hasty. It's
very possible, even likely, that they're telling the truth - that no one
there even knew about the film when the decision was made to remove the
exhibit.
They're museum curators, not EV hobbyists. They read publications about
historic preservation, not about cars. For them to know about this film
even now (but for the Post article) would actually be surprising. I say
give 'em a break.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EV List Assistant Administrator
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Here is a response from Peter Liebhold, who is the head curator for
the Smithsonian.
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Recently there has been a lot of confusion about the EV-1 in the
collection of the National Museum of American History (NMAH). Let me
assure you all that we at the museum prize the artifact, treat it
with the care that it deserves, and continue to collect around the
subject of electric vehicles. If anyone has questions about the
museum's actions, feel free to contact
me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Like many of you I was horrified when I read the Washington Post
article (and subsequent stories in papers around the country) that
suggested the National Museum of American History had pulled the EV-1
from exhibition because of the forthcoming film on the EV-1 or donor
influence. Nothing could be further from the truth. Curators at NMAH
make decisions based on doing good history and providing our visitors
with educational opportunities. We don't show donors exhibition
scripts in advance and we don't involve them in discussions about
what to collect or display.
While the Washington Post's conspiracy theory sounds exciting enough
for Hollywood, the reality of why the Smithsonian's EV-1 was taken
off exhibition is far more prosaic. Let me explain. On September 5,
2006 the National Museum of American History will close for major
renovation. The EV-1, along with all the exhibitions in the core of
the museum must be removed in order to allow demolition work to
proceed. The decision to remove the EV-1, which had been on temporary
display since March 15, 2005 was not influenced by the movie release.
(While I hate to admit being uniformed, I didn't even know when the
film was going to be released.) Our motivation was quite simple - we
wanted to display one last new object before the museum closed for 20
months. The decision to make the switch was made in January of this
year.
The location at the west end of the building once occupied by the
EV-1 is used for landmarks of invention and technology. Beginning
June 28, 2006 we will display the robotic vehicle "Stanley." This
car, the winner of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
(DARPA) 2005 Grand Challenge, traversed 132 miles in the rugged
Mojave dessert without a driver. A marvel of artificial intelligence,
Stanley will be displayed in the context of the museum's outstanding
collection of robots, not the vehicle collection.
While the National Museum of American History no longer has the EV-1
on display we continue to collect around the subject of the electric
vehicle. We have recently acquired a few artifacts to document the
engineering effort to design the EV-1. We also hope to compile oral
histories and written accounts of engineers on the project and
driver's experiences with the car. The curators of NMAH all seek to
have their collection on exhibition and while EV-1 is not on display
in our building we hope that once our loan moratorium has been lifted
another museum will seek to borrow the car.
The museum's collection of electric vehicles is not limited to the
EV-1. We have an outstanding selection including a 1900 Riker, a 1904
Columbia, a 1914 Rauch and Lang, and a 1913 Commercial truck. The
entire collection car
collection is available on the web at
http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/themes/story_78_1.html.
In addition the complicated story of how technology and the
marketplace interact is explored on our website at
http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/themes/story_74_1.html.
This latter story features the EV-1. Lastly information on the
museum's EV-1 is available at
http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/collection/object_1303.html
Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
Peter Liebhold
Chair, Division of Work and Industry
MRC 629
National Museum of American History
PO Box 37012
Washington, DC 20013-7012
(202) 633-3915
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In my opinion, this presents perhaps the opportunity, in that the idea
of doing EV conversion business, Ford and GM are far behind in
Electric/Hybrids. I'm going to approach some Ford dealers to gauge
their interest in selling EV converted vehicles. If the dealer can make
more money selling a converted Electric Taurus them than their new cars
and you can give them a local area exclusive, they might sign on.
Then the business might make sense. They do the stocking and selling
and advertising the cars.
And it could expand into more dealers, more territory.
Maybe get some investment from them, the owners of the big dealerships
have big bucks, and might like the notoriety of their dealership being
the only Electric Ford available. If nothing else might draw customers
to their lots when advertising the "new electric taurus". :)
obviously this converted car would be high quality work, not a hack like
I do for myself.
hope you folks don't mind my dribble.
bought a non-running Ford Aspire today for $200 to convert for my own
use, which is just for around the neighborhood, a range of 20 miles is
plenty for me. I used to look at these cars and laugh, and think they
Aspired to be a real car! :)
I will change its name to E-xpire like the ICE did.
Jack
David Roden wrote:
On 24 Jun 2006 at 17:07, gail donaldson lucas wrote:
GM developing hybrid electric vehicle
Please forgive my skepticism, but I think it's justified. In 1978, GM told
me that I'd be able to drop by my local showroom and buy an electric
Chevette by 1980.
I'm still waiting.
I'll believe this GM is sincere when such a vehicle reaches the Chevrolet
dealer a few miles from here.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Discovery Channel show on tonight: Addicted to Oil: Thomas L. Friedman
Reporting
http://dsc.discovery.com/tvlistings/episode.jsp?episode=0&cpi=25280&gid=1462
3&channel=DSC
Not completely EV related but they discuss Electric vehicles briefly. It
all seems pretty fair until they mentioned shifting emissions from tailpipe
to smoke stack. They could have mentioned the one small fact that it is
significantly less per mile drive. To be fair they did say a majority, not
all, electricity was produced from coal.
Someone tell me again why shows like this do not highlight any of the
progress made on the home conversion front? Many of you seem to avoid gas
stations for very long periods of time. I've gone nearly a month and so far
have only driven the gasser 1 day since the conversion hit the road. Do we
have within the community what it takes to make a movie? Has anyone
approached Chris Paine on making a sequal on the rebirth of the electric
car?
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
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Hello to All,
>The Red Beastie has met it's end......
What a horrid thing to read when I’m away from home and excited to catch
my email via Wi Fi somewhere in Alaska! As I download and begin to open
my EVDL fix of the day looking for uplifting EV stuff, I instead read
that Dick Finley’s and my creation, Red Beastie, has been
destroyed...ARGHHH! And the way it happened? Incredible!
Of course, my condolences go out to my friend Tony for the loss of more
than one EV, his home, and all its damaged goods. Glad to hear he and
his mom were away at the time and unharmed.
And so ends the life of the electric pickup that could :-( Today, with
NiMH and LiIon making longer distance range possible in our electric
conversions, a 120 mile-per-charge electric conversion doesn’t seem all
that significant, but back in ‘97, Red Beastie created quite a buzz when
it made it from Portland, OR to Seattle, WA and back, 440 total miles
mostly at 60-65 mph speeds over varying terrain, with just four
recharges during the trip! Back then, it took close to 2500 lbs. of
lead, forty T-105 Trojan 6V wet cells to do the deed.
Somewhere floating out there in cyberspace, there’s my EVDL post all
about that incredibly fun trip, with guest appearances from Father Time,
Marko Mongillo, and Madman Rudman. Twin tow-behind gencarts converged
along the I-5 freeway corridor to provide on-road charging power, one
brought south towards Portland by the deadly duo, and one towed behind
the Beastie on the first leg Marko and I took on our way towards
Seattle. Tied together with multiple tangled cords and connectors, they
provided 120 amp roadside recharges. My gencart was tame compared to
Madman’s. Mine was powered by a chugging twin cylinder air-cooled Onan
who’s spinning alternator gave just 120 vac output and fed a variac
‘Wayland-made’ charger. Madman’s cart consisted of a high speed aircraft
alternator spun by a stressed-out liquid-cooled Geo Metro 3 banger with
a bad muffler. The alternator was hooked into 3 or 4 assorted sci fi
project type rectifying devices and outputted 100+ amps! The mid-point
recharge extravaganza happened at radical EVer Pat Sweeney’s place,
where his ‘Ugly Box’ 240 vac powered capacitor chargers teamed up with
our gencarts to pump a stout 190 continuous amps amps into the massive
2500 lb. thirsty Beastie pack. I’m convinced this charging frenzy
altered Rudman’s brain and was the genesis of today’s terrific Manzanita
Micro PFC Charger line. Man oh man, how we could have used a pair of
PFC50s (or even better, a pair of my PFC50X) !!
Today, a 500 lb. stack of admittedly expensive LiIon batteries, could
not only match the range capacity of the Beastie's 2500 lb. wet cell
lead acid pack, they could exceed it. I imagine a LiIon powered Beastie
type truck (well, it wouldn’t even qualify as a beast with a mere 500
lbs. of batteries) could do the ~185 mile distance between these two
major west coast cities on a single charge without breaking a sweat.
80 mile jaunts into the rugged Columbia River Gorge, extended snow
driving with its 3000+ watt electric heater blasting, towing a 16 ft.
tandem wheel trailer loaded with the Heavy Metal Garden Tractor and
White Zombie 45 miles to race at Woodburn, taking Dick’s widow Shirley
and her feisty toy poodle ‘Peppy’ out for an evening to see Christmas
lights....Ahhh, the memories. Now, Dick is gone, Shirley is gone, Peppy
too, is gone, and full circle, so is the electric pickup that made them
so happy. RIP Red Beastie, my old friend :-)
See Ya.......John Wayland
Red Beastie lives on at the Plasma Boy Racing video page; scroll to the
thumbnail for the Ch. 2 news segment:
http://www.plasmaboyracing.com
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What do you figure the implications would be of a Ford Dealer selling and
Electric Ford, when Ford doesn't make electric vehicles? Would a Ford
Dealer likely get flack from Ford for selling Ford knock-offs, I mean
conversions? I'm sure the dealer, as a business owner can sell whatever he
wants but he wouldn't want it to jeapordize any other good deals he gets
from the manufacturer.
It seems this is actually a pretty good idea.
Mike
Anchorage, Ak.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Jack Murray
> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:46 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: GM Hybrid Plug-in, EV Business
>
> ....If the dealer can make
> more money selling a converted Electric Taurus them than their new cars
> and you can give them a local area exclusive, they might sign on.
> Then the business might make sense. They do the stocking and selling
> and advertising the cars.
> ...and might like the notoriety of their dealership being
> the only Electric Ford available. If nothing else might draw customers
> to their lots when advertising the "new electric taurus". :)
>
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One week left and I see THE Ford Mustang gaining on Matt's Electric 240SX
who's currently in the top spot. Can we push the votes for one more week?
I push 2 a day for for the 240SX and Killacycle, but I can't hold them off
alone.
If there's 3 cars and a bike on the Dragtimes featured spot for this year
alone by the time August 12th comes it would be insprational to the several
people I've got interested in racing electric. I'm going to have a laptop
set up with wireless at the Alaska Renewable Energy Fair just to show off
the Dragtimes.com and evalbum.com websites, and of course video's of White
Zombie. Can anyone point me towards other good electric racing video, to
use for PR?
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
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Sounds like a conspiracy theorist fishing for pseudo facts...again.
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "EVRIDER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Look what I received now that we are back home...
>
>
> "Thank you for your email.
>
> More than 4 million visitors saw the EV1 displayed in a prominent
location
> during the 15 months it was on view in the museum -- much longer that
> originally planned when it was donated to the National Museum of
American
> History in March 2005.
>
> A recent article in the Washington Post and subsequently picked up
by the
> Associated Press, incorrectly implied that the museum removed the
EV1 from
> display upon request by General Motors and in advance of the release
of a
> new documentary.
>
> This is incorrect and there is no relation between the EV1's removal and
> the release of the film. It is standard museum procedure to rotate
objects
> on and off display with many objects staying on view for only 6
months to 1
> year. The decision to rotate out the EV1 this summer was made in January
> 2006, long before any release dates for the film were known.
>
> While the EV1 is no longer on display, the car is featured on
museum's Web
> site:
http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/collection/object_1303.html
> as are other alternative and electric cars in our collections.
>
> The museum will be closing to the public as of Sept. 5, 2006 for major
> renovations. Until then, we are working to showcase as many
collections as
> we can until we reopen in the summer of 2008.
>
> Once again, thank you for contacting the museum.
>
> Sincerely,
> Charles Neill
> Administrative Assistant
> Director's Office"
>
>
> The Smithsonian heard from me again too:
> I wrote twice, saying:
>
> "Mr. Neill,
> Thank you for a through reply. I must add a very important observation;
> Don't you think that it is 1) too coincidental that it is being done
right as the film is being released despite what you say because 2)
that thousands of people that may have never even been to the
institution will visit now, after seeing the film due to the increased
exposure, wanting to specifically see the EV1?
> I also would like you to know that we all know that GM is one of the
Institutes major sponsors. There is a GM exhibit and building. I have
been to your institution many many times since I was eight years old!
(Every trip to Washington in fact).
> Can you please address these three points specifically to me?
>
> Thank you VERY much!
> Sincerely,
> Eric Gorodetzky"
>
> -AND-
>
> "Mr. Neill,
> I would also like you to know that I knew about WHO KILLED THE
ELECTRIC CAR? WAY before January 2006. I have emails from colleagues
long before that, that are DATED, as area all emails.
> How could you, as a major receiver of monies from GM, not know this
was a fact? It was circulating around ALL of my ASE institute email
newsletters long before this year and in many other groups which I
belong to!
> I would like very much to know how you explain that.
> Thank you for your time,
>
> Eric Gorodetzky"
>
> We are anxiously awaiting his replies.
> -EVRIDER
>
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RE: EV Promo film
I am an engineer for a local NBC TV broadcast affiliate in Central NY State.
I have access to production facilities and personnel capable of creating
such a video.
I have in my collection a 1980 Jet Industries ElectraVan and a 1983 Bradley
GT Electric in various stages of restoration. I am a member of EAAEV and had
fantasies of chairing a Central NY State chapter.
My father, Col. Don B. Davidson Jr USAF ret. was paramount in designing &
manufacturing the Freeway HMV which came as an electric as well as ICE. See
this website: www.microcar.org/carspecs/hmvfreeway.html
Sadly, he passed away recently due to complications of Diabetes. I continue
his quest for alternative energy vehicles. Dad used the ElectraVan daily at
his Orlando condo for many years. He and I built the Bradley GTE back in
1982.
I am open to suggestions as to how I can use the facilities to promote EV's
& the EV community as well as PHEV
Don B. Davidson III
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Mike & Paula Willmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 2:04 AM
Subject: Addicted to Oil: Thomas L. Friedman Reporting
> Discovery Channel show on tonight: Addicted to Oil: Thomas L. Friedman
> Reporting
>
>
http://dsc.discovery.com/tvlistings/episode.jsp?episode=0&cpi=25280&gid=1462
> 3&channel=DSC
>
> Not completely EV related but they discuss Electric vehicles briefly. It
> all seems pretty fair until they mentioned shifting emissions from
tailpipe
> to smoke stack. They could have mentioned the one small fact that it is
> significantly less per mile drive. To be fair they did say a majority, not
> all, electricity was produced from coal.
>
> Someone tell me again why shows like this do not highlight any of the
> progress made on the home conversion front? Many of you seem to avoid gas
> stations for very long periods of time. I've gone nearly a month and so
far
> have only driven the gasser 1 day since the conversion hit the road. Do
we
> have within the community what it takes to make a movie? Has anyone
> approached Chris Paine on making a sequal on the rebirth of the electric
> car?
>
> Mike,
> Anchorage, Ak.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Guy wins "The World Technology Prize for Design" for a solar car with a
Swarovski crystal in each solar cell:
http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2006-Swarovski-Crystal-Aerospace-Ross-Lovegrove.htm
No I don't get it either. Feel free to shake your head and groan.
Danny
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The jury is still deliberating about the fate of that one Optima, the
other troublesome unit seems to have been 'scared strait.' A few days
ago I decided to slam both of the funny acting Optimas (one that stayed
at 14.5 volts at 2 amps, another that took way to many amp hours before
climbing over 14.5 volts at 2 amps) with my cheap 12 volt charger
plugged into a variac. I held them, one at a time, to 10 amps up to 15
volts then 15 volts back down to 1.5 amps. Hmm, they had no problem
dropping below 2 amps if I attacked the charge a bit harder. The one
Optima has been played nice since then, and the other one had been
playing nice until last night. Once again this morning I woke up to
find all the batteries done charging except one still taking around 2
amps and being slightly warmer than the rest.
It would be a shame if I couldn't make it play nice, because after 6
miles of EVent driving yesterday (Greenwood Phinney car show) all of
the batteries where where working together so well. I got home from the
show to find 6 of the 10 Optimas at 12.89 volts (including both with
charging issues), 3 Optimas at 12.87 volts, and one Optima at 12.92
volts.
Further investigation and charging efforts will be applied. I have a
one year warrantee. I'm open to suggestions of what might help a
battery charge at low current, or might be wrong with a battery that
charges fine at higher currents but not lower currents.
Paul "neon" G.
On Jun 21, 2006, at 11:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Two amps should push the battery well over 15 volts. There is
something wrong with that battery.
I have heard that the quality of Optimas has gone down since Johnson
Controls bought the company and then fired the entire Optima R&D
department. I guess this is confirmation of that rumor.
In response to me writing:
Right now though, I'm fighting a different problem with a couple of
my new Optimas. One battery that that is having difficulty getting
over 14.5 volts at 2 amps, just gets slightly warm. For example, take
a gentle 4 mile drive and find that battery still taking 2 amps at
14.5 volts after 10 hours of charging! Another one takes too long to
get there. I actually tested my equalization bad-boy yesterday, just
to see how the 10 Optimas compared when charged. The test lasted
about 2 minutes. 8 batteries went to around 15.8 volts and the other
2 only around 13.8 volts (at the time it was only pushing around 1.3
amps.) That would hint that the 2 aren't charged, but the resting
voltage (and the excessive amp hours that have been put into them)
tell me they are.
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Not everything, Damon - not all of us convert vehicles for enviromental
reasons!
Joe
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From: "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Ampabout ... 3kw genset
> I'm not trying to be harsh, in fact, I have been amazed over the years at
> the lengths Bruce has went through to get where he needs to go using his
EV.
> I'll bet there is not another person in this world who has personally
> visited more charging outlets than Bruce.
>
> It just baffles me how so many people that truly believe in EV's consider
> using the worst possible ICE solution when they do finally give in and
> realize that they are still dependent on the gas conglomerates.
>
> It flies in the face of everything that got them into an EV in the first
> place.
>
> damon
>
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: Ampabout ... 3kw genset
> >Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:11:56 EDT
> >
> >In a message dated 6/22/2006 8:46:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> ><<If even the hard core EV enthusiasts including ones who call
> >themselves EVangelists can't kick the petro habbit who can?>>
> >
> >Wow... that's pretty harsh.
> >For you to condemn a man whose EV has been his sole form of transport for
> >many years just because he needs to use 25 or 30 gallons of gas is
nothing
> >buy
> >silly zealotry.
> >
> >Lighten up Francis
> >
> >
> >Ben
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Hello to All,
Finally, the anti-EV Vortex is gone! The Portland metro weather forecast
for the next 10 days is for real late June-early July type weather, with
today's and Monday's temps hovering near 100 degrees, and the rest of
this week in the low 80s...yeah, perfect EV drag racing weather! PIR is
done with the Rose Festival weeks of special track races that had closed
the drag track the past few weekends, so the Les Schwab Late Night Drags
series is back. The track opens at 5:00 pm this Friday night, and you
can bet we'll be waiting to get in for a real attempt at breaking into
the 11s.
As a bonus for EV racing fans, Duane Gergich and Steve Kiser will be
joining us with their Father Time-built outrageous drag bike that has
run 12.4 @ 100 mph. I twisted their arms yesterday at the SEVA Greenwood
car show. They'll arrive at the Wayland EV juice bar in the afternoon
for a little battery pack exercise and recharging so that by the time we
get to the track, the bike will be ready to fly. I can hardly wait to
see the crowd's reaction to their quick very red electric bike with it's
BIG electric motor clearly visible, and the fat drag slick and long
wheelie bar extension making quite statement. It would be fun to see the
bike and White Zombie race side by side, as the ETs for both are pretty
close. Speaking of the car show, there was a reporter/camera crew
covering the Greenwood EVent, and when they met up with Plasma Boy,
well...let's just say the reporter dude (quite lively) had met his
match! The show interview was pretty fun, and I must say, I was revved
up and ready for him. Example, he does his opening remarks with total
fun and excitement then segways into...I'm talking with (microphone
tilted my way suddenly) as I say 'Plasma Boy'....not John Wayland, but
emphatically 'Plasma Boy!' This of course, really turned him on, so the
interview took off on a fast paced stride with both of us firing on all
cylinders, as they say. Great coverage of White Zombie and lots of pro
electric comments. Any way....the reporter/camera crew are heading to
Portland to film both electrics running against the gassers this Friday,
and to hopefully capture White Zombie cracking the 11s.
As always, everyone is welcome to come down to the track and cheer us
on, we really appreciate the support....and besides, team Plasma Boy is
just too much fun to be with! We'll be stopping at the Burger King as we
usually do to recharge and grab gut bombs before hitting the track,
probably around 4:15 or so.
See Ya.......John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
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EPA and Eaton now <http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=1680> are touting such
systems for delivery trucks.
The advantage of HHVs over HEVs is initial cost. The disadvantage would seem
to be maintenance.
Environmental consequences either way. It would depend upon who is looking
and the scope of assessment.
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From the stuff I saw on the Hydraulic Hybrid prototypes, the point was
not that it was a way to transmit power to the wheels (though it did,
taking the place of a transmission and driveshaft). The point was that
it used pneumatic energy storage by compressing air above a large
hydraulic fluid reservoir.
Danny
Jonathan Smith wrote:
EPA and Eaton now <http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=1680> are touting
such
systems for delivery trucks.
The advantage of HHVs over HEVs is initial cost. The disadvantage
would seem
to be maintenance.
Environmental consequences either way. It would depend upon who is
looking
and the scope of assessment.
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We are building up the Triangle Electric Auto Association website and we
want to add the URLs to the ancillary groups that are offshoots of the
EVDL such as the Yahoo listed EVBMS and the Lithium Ion groups.
However, before listing, I'd like to ask what other groups are there?
Is it okay by the moderators of each group (if they are on the EVDL) to
hot link? The last question is that with our Teaaprez Yahoo email
address, we have been getting a lot of spam, do you all use throwaway
email addresses for your correspondence?
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At 05:51 PM 24/06/06 -0500, you wrote:
Thinking about hybridifying a 'normal' ev: Would it be feasable to connect
a hydraulic motor to the auxillary shaft and whenever extended range is
needed, run a an ICE with an hydraulic pump i.e. on a trailer? I don't
know too much about hydraulics, but I think capable hydraulic motors
wouldn't very big or am I mistaken?
Michaela
G'day Michaela
Although that is technically feasable, it'd possibly be less efficient than
simply using the ICE to drive a generator to suppliment the EVs battery
pack, and certainly a lot more complex.
It brings up issues of RPM matching the hydraulics to the electrical
system, disconecting the hydraulic motor when you are not in that mode, and
controlling the hydraulics in an intuitive manner for the driver. Not
insurmountable, but a pain to do and get right first time.
Depending on how much time you were going to be spending in that mode, it
may be better to build the EV with a hydraulic traction system - just turn
a DC shunt motor on and off with a contactor, the motor drives a hydraulic
pump. On the back axle sit a parallel connected pair of hydraulic motors,
one to each wheel. Should be not a lot heavier axle than with a diff in it.
Maybe 15% less efficient than a normal EV. When the ICE is running, it
provides the hydraulic oil supply for the control system. Wether this is
feasable would need to be looked over by someone who is into hydraulics.
Regards
[Technik] James
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Hi EVerybody;
Just talked to Tony. I can't believe that this can be allowed to happen;
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: This Just In!!
> I hope that trucking company had plenty of insurance!
>
> Mark Ward
Right on Mark!
The Godamn Trucking CO .DIDN"T have any insurance!! HOWTHEGODAMMHELL can
you have a over the road trucking outfit, or construction Co WITHOUT
insurance?? So I sez to Tony," I gueess you will OWN the Construction Co"
Yeah! What's to own? he said that they have had a week to remove their
assets from Mass of Two Shits, by now?Just like here in Corrupticut ;the
Avon Mountain runaway dump truck, it careened down the mountain, crashing
into several cars and a highway type bus, a nice Greyhoundy sort of thing.
EVerything burned! Several people died(surprise) The news shots looked like
Iraq, where this is a way of life.Trucking outfit was TRYING to insure the
truck the mourning of the accident DUH! Needless to say the Insurance Co
didn't bite.Let yur car insurance lapse for a nanosecond and you get a
registered letter from CT DMV, AND a 200 bux fine, to get reinstated, your
nullified plates. Butr a trukin' outfit? We don't care! Well, because people
died and CT has pending lawsuits, they have tightened things up, well, they
SAY??? That outfit was nabbed by CT when they moved the OTHER 15 trux out of
state, well, they TRIED to. So CT has some of their assets, and they
arrested the guyz that owned it! Good starrt.
Almost End of Rant. Yes goddamn it! I'm furious! What recourse does Tony
have?They came and drug the truck out of the house, but the umpteen yards of
dirt are STILL into the rear of the house. He can't get down cellar, or UP
stairs as as you might have scene the smashed stairwell in the news reel.The
Gas and Water still work, but no electric as the electric service was wiped
out, it was on that corner of the house.So Tony is on his own,
forchrissakes. He can borrow a chainsaw and a shovel, and dig some of the
dirt out. City? I suggested that. He sez that they would probably come out
and turn off the gas and water, the final insult!You wonder why folks leave
cities when they can? They just don't work, anymore or at least the ones
around here.You think that Wooster (that's how you SAY it) Public Works
coulda sent out a crew to dig the dirt away and repair the house,they have
carpenters and electricians, fix the electric?Helped cart away the burned up
wreckage?Dream on!
So that's the cheery news for today. Cities SUCK!
Seeya
Bob
Be mindful that happiness is not based on possessions, power or
prestiege, but on relationships with people you love and respect.
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Hi Lee,
It has it's own expansion bus. You can plug in modules with i/o and all
sorts of other interfaces. They even make Atmel AVR modules that plug
into it. The AVR could be used for PWM and other realtime controls where
the CPU could be used for higher level apps and user interface.
It is a complete computer though so it's beyond the realm of MCUs. It
reminds me of the PC/104 devices which are probably still around.
I wouldn't consider it a competitor to Stamps.
--
Martin K
Lee Hart wrote:
Danny Miller wrote:
I think the gumstix qualifies as a Single Board Computer. They can do
some pretty useful and flashy things, but a simple microcontroller is
usually more appropriate for simple tasks.
Frankly, I can't figure out how one would do anything useful with a
gumstix. It doesn't have any I/O! The USB ports are only good for
talking to other computer-controlled devices. Look at all the things
that you can connect directly to a BASIC stamp with no hardware at all;
switches, LEDs, pots, servomotors, 9v battery for power, etc. The
gumstix doesn't have *any* of these interfaces.
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