EV Digest 5593
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: EV1 GONE- Smithsonian writes back again!
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Tesla Motors, Wrightspeed, Li-on Cells, et al
by Jim Waite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) supreme court to hear regulation of CO2
by "Peri Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: mini monster garage
by Carl Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) La Times article
by TiM M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Fw: Put the EV1 back on display.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: More Insanity !!!!!!! WAS: This Just In!!
by "Dave Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Put the EV1 back on display.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: EV digest 5592 Taper Lock Adapter
by Michael Hoskinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) LAFF Tracking
by "Jonathan Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: Gorrilla EV biz up for sale
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Hacked into the Dolphin's microcode
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) RE: Taper Lock Adapter
by "Steven Potter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Taper Lock Adapter
by [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dana Havranek)
15) Conversion business "advertising" on eBay
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
16) Re: Taper Lock Adapter and low profile tire
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Using flooded vehicle as donor
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Taper Lock Adapter
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) RE: Taper Lock Adapter
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) RE: Using flooded vehicle as donor
by "Arthur Welch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Was: Who Killed The Electric Car?- now where is NJ?
by Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Solectria parts
by Jimmy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) RE: S10 Conversion
by "Jody Dewey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: What the limiting factor up a hill
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
25) Re: Taper Lock Adapter
by "Michael Mohlere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Taper Lock Adapter, Flywheel Fun
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Dragtimes Featured Car of the Month
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: Taper Lock Adapter
by Mike & Paula Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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You're absolutely right John. Apparently they did know about the
movie but not the release date. Not sure why I wrote that particular
statement that way.
Although you point out the EV1 "failed" for whatever reason, we don't
believe the way the Smithsonian presented the EV1's "failure" is
accurate. Have you seen the EV1 exhibit at the Smithsonian and how
the display was written? It's quite obvious it was completely from
GMs point of view. So a corporate sponsor can now "buy" history? Even
if there are no improprieties on GM or the Smithsonian's part,
displaying a product that was destroyed by the exhibit's corporate
sponsor is going to raise eyebrows.
The reason EVA/DC became involved in the first place was our concern
that the "public" was not getting the "full story" about the EV1. As
soon as we saw the exhibit we personally met with the curators to
voice our concerns. As a matter of fact we have met with them several
times. Most recently a week before the the EV1 was sent to storage.
And I have met with another museum that has expressed interest in
exhibiting the car. However, artifacts are now under a 3-month
moratorium which means the Smithsonian will not loan out the car
during the moratorium.
Now, isn't that convenient for GM and the Smithsonian? The moratorium
just happens to be the same time span as the movie plays in theaters.
The museum I spoke with said that they did not believe the moratorium
should necessarily apply to the EV1. And this museum already has a
Smithsonian artifact in their collection and has worked with the
Smithsonian on other collections. Moratoriums are just another
institutional policy and can be changed. Even with the controversy
and the fact the EV1 is getting more press and public interest, the
Smithsonian appears to have no intention of lifting the moratorium.
Although they have been open in discussions with us they have
remained unbending. Nothing was ever done with our concern about the
information on the display and we don't expect them to lift the
moratorium. But hey, they could surprise us.
And there are too many parallels between the timing of the movie and
the timing of the closure of the exhibit. First of course, Chris is
denied access to the car to film the movie. The opening of the movie
which is June 28 is the same day as the opening for the robotic SUV
that replaces the EV1. The moratorium on loaning the vehicle is
lasting the duration of the movie's showing in theaters. The
Smithsonian remains completely inflexible in lifting the moratorium.
The EV1 is removed within 2 weeks of the movie premier. The
Washington Post writes a story at the exact same time we are in
discussions with the Smithsonian to save the car. The Smithsonian
hides the vehicle with partitions at the same day we are in
discussions with another museum to relocate the car.
If this isn't a conspiracy then it's "A Convenient Truth" for both GM
and the Smithsonian.
So it looks like GM wins yet again and the Smithsonian doesn't have
to worry about losing any future donations from corporate
contributers. The losers are the public who won't see the truth or
the car. As Chris Paine mentioned in an email last week, "For shame.
No wonder we are in such trouble as a nation."
Chip Gribben
EVA/DC Webmaster
http://www.evadc.org
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 1:34, Chip Gribben wrote:
So its not exactly quite cut and dry here.
1) The Smithsonian claims they did not know about the movie but
they turned Chris down in his initial request to film there.
I'm sorry, but you are the one being dishonest here. The response
you got did not say that they did not know about the movie. They
said the decision to move the exhibit was made before anyone at the
Smithsonian knew the release date of the movie. That's an entirely
different statement, and not in contradiction to having turned down
the filmmaker.
You are trying too hard to prove your conspiracy here.
2) They say they are unbiased but in the display they say the car
"failed".
Well, of course they are biased, but again, not what the reply said -
the movie was/is political, they couldn't provide support for one
political side or the other. To say that the EV1 failed may or may
not be evidence of bias, but it certainly isn't political.
Biased or not, it is a statement of truth - it failed, whether it was
because GM wanted it to fail or some other reason.
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(With apologies to the EVDL & EVangel if this was already posted: It's an AP
article which appeared on our local rag's front page this AM, maybe yours
carried it also)
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/tech/20060623-1313-ca-high-techelectriccars.html
(Gee, I wonder why they chose, O to 60 mph in three seconds
. It probably
wouldnt have anything to do like drawing lines in the sand w/somebody like, oh
maybe
AC Propulsion & their T Zero, 0 to 60 mph
. 4.1 seconds
nah,
probably not
.NOT!!!)
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The state of Massachusetts is challenging the EPA in the supreme court. The
case is whether the EPA is to regulate greenhouse gasses from cars and power
plants. I hope, if Mass. wins, we'll see a lot more people thinking about
EVs as a reasonable choice.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003086917_webgreenhouse26.html
Peri Hartman
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Thanks everyone for your responses to my Black and Decker battery idea.
On the surface it would seem to me that a battery designed for
something as torquey (sp?) as a drill would be a high rate of discharge
battery, but I guess it is nothing compared to what you need for an EV.
Hey Garret, I'll let you know when I get moving on this. By the way,
did you take the Colorado Alternative Fuels tax credit on your bike?
also, if anyone knows of a good source for used Club Car components,
please let me know.
Oh, and wasn't there someone in Denver who had a connection in Optima
to get blems?
Thanks
Carl
Denver
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Interesting article in today business section talking
about start up companies in the silcon valley trying
to bring EV's to maket. Nice picture of the
Wrightspeed car..
TiM
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-electriccar26jun26,1,3044721.story?ctrack=1&cset=true
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This is the reply I got from the Smithsonian regarding the EV1 removal from
display. http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/collection/object_1303.html
Here is where you can see the display on line. Lawrence Rhodes....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Neill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Put the EV1 back on display.
> Thank you for your email.
>
> More than 4 million visitors saw the EV1 displayed in a prominent location
> during the 15 months it was on view in the museum -- much longer that
> originally planned when it was donated to the National Museum of American
> History in March 2005.
>
> A recent article in the Washington Post and subsequently picked up by the
> Associated Press, incorrectly implied that the museum removed the EV1 from
> display upon request by General Motors and in advance of the release of a
> new documentary.
>
> This is incorrect and there is no relation between the EV1's removal and
> the release of the film. It is standard museum procedure to rotate
objects
> on and off display with many objects staying on view for only 6 months to
1
> year. The decision to rotate out the EV1 this summer was made in January
> 2006, long before any release dates for the film were known.
>
> While the EV1 is no longer on display, the car is featured on museum's Web
> site: http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/collection/object_1303.html
> as are other alternative and electric cars in our collections.
>
> The museum will be closing to the public as of Sept. 5, 2006 for major
> renovations. Until then, we are working to showcase as many collections
as
> we can until we reopen in the summer of 2008.
>
> Once again, thank you for contacting the museum.
>
> Sincerely,
> Charles Neill
> Administrative Assistant
> Director's Office
>
> >>> "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/16/06 05:30PM >>>
> At a time when gas prices are skyhigh why take the EV1 off display.
> Having
> an SUV take it's place is scandalous. Lawrence Rhodes.......
>
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Hope Tony's homeowner's insurance can do something. Here in Maryland, if I
let my insurance lapse without first turning in my tags, I get hit with a
huge fine and the cops come out and take my tags. Get a good lawyer and
freeze all assets of the company, if they have any.
Dave
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From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: More Insanity !!!!!!! WAS: This Just In!!
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:23:07 -0400
Hi EVerybody;
Just talked to Tony. I can't believe that this can be allowed to happen;
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From: "Mark Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: This Just In!!
> I hope that trucking company had plenty of insurance!
>
> Mark Ward
Right on Mark!
The Godamn Trucking CO .DIDN"T have any insurance!! HOWTHEGODAMMHELL
can
you have a over the road trucking outfit, or construction Co WITHOUT
insurance?? So I sez to Tony," I gueess you will OWN the Construction Co"
Yeah! What's to own? he said that they have had a week to remove their
assets from Mass of Two Shits, by now?Just like here in Corrupticut ;the
Avon Mountain runaway dump truck, it careened down the mountain, crashing
into several cars and a highway type bus, a nice Greyhoundy sort of thing.
EVerything burned! Several people died(surprise) The news shots looked like
Iraq, where this is a way of life.Trucking outfit was TRYING to insure the
truck the mourning of the accident DUH! Needless to say the Insurance Co
didn't bite.Let yur car insurance lapse for a nanosecond and you get a
registered letter from CT DMV, AND a 200 bux fine, to get reinstated, your
nullified plates. Butr a trukin' outfit? We don't care! Well, because people
died and CT has pending lawsuits, they have tightened things up, well, they
SAY??? That outfit was nabbed by CT when they moved the OTHER 15 trux out of
state, well, they TRIED to. So CT has some of their assets, and they
arrested the guyz that owned it! Good starrt.
Almost End of Rant. Yes goddamn it! I'm furious! What recourse does Tony
have?They came and drug the truck out of the house, but the umpteen yards of
dirt are STILL into the rear of the house. He can't get down cellar, or UP
stairs as as you might have scene the smashed stairwell in the news reel.The
Gas and Water still work, but no electric as the electric service was wiped
out, it was on that corner of the house.So Tony is on his own,
forchrissakes. He can borrow a chainsaw and a shovel, and dig some of the
dirt out. City? I suggested that. He sez that they would probably come out
and turn off the gas and water, the final insult!You wonder why folks leave
cities when they can? They just don't work, anymore or at least the ones
around here.You think that Wooster (that's how you SAY it) Public Works
coulda sent out a crew to dig the dirt away and repair the house,they have
carpenters and electricians, fix the electric?Helped cart away the burned up
wreckage?Dream on!
So that's the cheery news for today. Cities SUCK!
Seeya
Bob
Be mindful that happiness is not based on possessions, power or
prestiege, but on relationships with people you love and respect.
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> This is the reply I got from the Smithsonian regarding the EV1 removal
from
> display.
http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/collection/object_1303.html
> Here is where you can see the display on line. Lawrence Rhodes....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Neill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Put the EV1 back on display.
>
>
> > Thank you for your email.
> >
> > More than 4 million visitors saw the EV1 displayed in a prominent
location
> > during the 15 months it was on view in the museum -- much longer that
> > originally planned when it was donated to the National Museum of
American
> > History in March 2005.
> >
> > A recent article in the Washington Post and subsequently picked up by
the
> > Associated Press, incorrectly implied that the museum removed the EV1
from
> > display upon request by General Motors and in advance of the release of
a
> > new documentary.
> >
> > This is incorrect and there is no relation between the EV1's removal and
> > the release of the film. It is standard museum procedure to rotate
> objects
> > on and off display with many objects staying on view for only 6 months
to
> 1
> > year. The decision to rotate out the EV1 this summer was made in January
> > 2006, long before any release dates for the film were known.
> >
> > While the EV1 is no longer on display, the car is featured on museum's
Web
> > site:
http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/collection/object_1303.html
> > as are other alternative and electric cars in our collections.
> >
> > The museum will be closing to the public as of Sept. 5, 2006 for major
> > renovations. Until then, we are working to showcase as many collections
> as
> > we can until we reopen in the summer of 2008.
> >
> > Once again, thank you for contacting the museum.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Charles Neill
> > Administrative Assistant
> > Director's Office
> >
> > >>> "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/16/06 05:30PM >>>
> > At a time when gas prices are skyhigh why take the EV1 off display.
> > Having
> > an SUV take it's place is scandalous. Lawrence Rhodes.......
> >
>
>
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Another place to try would be Canadian Electric
Vehicles. There is not a lot of detail on their web
site but Randy made the adapter for my Citroen and
supplied a nice taper-lock adapter. I notice on their
web site that they have converted a Dodge Dakota in
the past. You can get the number from the web site
www.canev.com
Mike Hoskinson
Edmonton
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>
> EV Digest 5592
>
> Topics covered in this issue include:
>
> 1) Taper Lock Adapter
> by "Hartsell, Fred"
> From: "Hartsell, Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
>
> Can someone tell me if there is a business or person
> that sells the
> Taper Lock Adapter and hub without the flywheel
> holes drilled? I have
> searched the internet this past weekend without much
> luck. I am
> converting a 4 cylinder 1991 Dodge Dakota pickup and
> I can not find the
> adapter set for it. So, I would like to make my
> own.
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So how did it go? Any reports about the Los Angeles Film Festival premier of
Who Killed the Electric Car?
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It has been for months and months.
Initially 1Mio+ and gradually dropped to a constant 925k.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of bruce parmenter
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:28 AM
To: evlist
Subject: Gorrilla EV biz up for sale
Looks like the EV biz that makes Gorrilla EVs is up for sale on
ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Electric-Vehicle-EV-mfg-BUSINESS-FOR-SALE-businesses_W0Q
QitemZ7630729204QQihZ017QQcategoryZ11760QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Mike Phillips wrote:
BTW, I bumped the max current parameter and achieved 229 amps at 280
volts. So that's 64kw already. The 229 amps was short lived. I'm not
sure if there is another constant to change because my nimh packs
could easily handle 300 amps but something is keeping them from do so.
Maybe software. If I had a pack that ran at least 312 nominal then I
think 80kw is achieveable.
There is also a max KW parameter in the EEPROM. Need to start tweaking
this; wonder what "everything" will do.
Chris
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> Can someone tell me if there is a business or person that sells the
> Taper Lock Adapter and hub without the flywheel holes drilled?
http://www.linngear.com/products/highlights/infosheets/t-1.html
http://mdmetric.com/pt1/ptproducts.html
I know of some other outlets in Canada but brains cells down for a bit.
Taper Lock hardware is a super reliable industrial standard; specify
with confidence. ;-)
Steven Potter
'98 Ranger / Toronto
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Hi Fred:
Martin Sprocket and Gear makes 3 styles of taperlock couplings - a common hub
with taper bushings that are used with chain sprockets on conveyers, a QD, or
Quick Disconnect coupling that can be used two ways and a MST coupling.
They supply weld-on (blank) hubs for all the taperlocks.
They are here:
http://www.martinsprocket.biz/
but not much is on the site.
They have a good catalog, with complete specs for the couplings, if you can get
a hold of one. It's industrial stuff so you'll need to find a distributor.
A lot of constraints have to be satisfied to make a selection you can work with
or modify succesfully.
There is another company that came up on the list not too long ago, but I can't
remember who it was. Seemed to me they were located in St Charles, IL.
Anyway, Good Luck.
Dana
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From: "Hartsell, Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Can someone tell me if there is a business or person that sells the
> Taper Lock Adapter and hub without the flywheel holes drilled? I have
> searched the internet this past weekend without much luck. I am
> converting a 4 cylinder 1991 Dodge Dakota pickup and I can not find the
> adapter set for it. So, I would like to make my own. I have a friend
> of mine that is a retired machinist and he is going to help me with this
> part of my project. We can make the transmission cover and the motor
> mounting plate but it would be easier to just buy a generic Taper Lock
> and hub instead of reinventing the thing.
>
>
>
> Also I would like to thank all of the experts and seasoned veterans on
> this list that take their time to help us newbie's. We really do
> appreciate all of your help and advice. This is only my second question
> as I spend most of my spare time reading all of the other comments. I
> find that I can get a lot of great information by just reading.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Fred
>
>
>
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6063682615
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Not realizing there was a taper lock that might of worked I built my
own. I just had to buy the keyway broach to finish the thing. Where
abouts are you located (if you/your machinist) want to borrow the broach
kit.
During hard cornering, side wall deflection causes a loss of tire patch,
unpredictable and difficult control. The shorter side wall moves around
less provideing more traction and control.
When autocrossing we cut up some tires to learn why they behaved
differently. BF-goodrich R1's would chuggle at the limit and yokahama's
would give less warning and slide all at once. These turned out to be
the two major types. BFG Stiff inner sidewall and a softer outer side
wall keeping the tread in compression, WHen it got overloaded in bunched
up giving the chugle effect. The Yokes were stifffer on the outside
keeping the tread in tension. When it reached it's limit it quietly
slid. In my particular application, the Yokes could be push furthor, But
was, er, more entertaining when I lost it. I probably still hold the San
Francisco
Conicide record. (flat 4 wheel 360+ in a narrow section after a slolam
~25-30 cones)
I believe however that some people have gone beyond the optimum point.
This optimum point must be determined by testing not how "sexy" it
looks. I suspect the sidewalls are very stiff on these tires to allow
them to survive speed bumps and railroad tracks, and that may actualy
increase rolling resistance, constantly flexing and un-flexing that
stiff sidewall, Any Rolling resistance data?
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In my quest for a donor vehicle, I have came across a few newer vehicles that
come with
"Flood Title" and the Odometer not working. Has anyone had any experance in
using this
type of vehicle ??
I was looking for a "late" model s-10.
Joe Kidd in Cincy.
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Try this for a source of supply:
www.dodge-pt.com/literature/catalogs/pt_components.html<http://www.dodge-pt.com/literature/catalogs/pt_components.html>
The on line catalog will show taper locks for many different type of
applications. They even make a flywheel type which I used on a inboard engine
for a boat which connects to the prop.
Note: if the WEB address doubles up for some reason, just delete the last half
of it. DELL install a new operating system and Its been doing that.
Roland
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From: Dana Havranek<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Taper Lock Adapter
Hi Fred:
Martin Sprocket and Gear makes 3 styles of taperlock couplings - a common hub
with taper bushings that are used with chain sprockets on conveyers, a QD, or
Quick Disconnect coupling that can be used two ways and a MST coupling.
They supply weld-on (blank) hubs for all the taperlocks.
They are here:
http://www.martinsprocket.biz/<http://www.martinsprocket.biz/>
but not much is on the site.
They have a good catalog, with complete specs for the couplings, if you can
get a hold of one. It's industrial stuff so you'll need to find a distributor.
A lot of constraints have to be satisfied to make a selection you can work
with or modify succesfully.
There is another company that came up on the list not too long ago, but I
can't remember who it was. Seemed to me they were located in St Charles, IL.
Anyway, Good Luck.
Dana
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From: "Hartsell, Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> Can someone tell me if there is a business or person that sells the
> Taper Lock Adapter and hub without the flywheel holes drilled? I have
> searched the internet this past weekend without much luck. I am
> converting a 4 cylinder 1991 Dodge Dakota pickup and I can not find the
> adapter set for it. So, I would like to make my own. I have a friend
> of mine that is a retired machinist and he is going to help me with this
> part of my project. We can make the transmission cover and the motor
> mounting plate but it would be easier to just buy a generic Taper Lock
> and hub instead of reinventing the thing.
>
>
>
> Also I would like to thank all of the experts and seasoned veterans on
> this list that take their time to help us newbie's. We really do
> appreciate all of your help and advice. This is only my second question
> as I spend most of my spare time reading all of the other comments. I
> find that I can get a lot of great information by just reading.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Fred
>
>
>
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Word of warning, There is such thing as "too much of a good thing" Light
flywheels allow RPM to climb faster as well as drop faster. While this
is a automatic boon for the ICE air comporessor, the compressor action
also limits the destructivness of too fast an RPM.
In an EV the RPM's need to drop faster to help the shift, and this was
my primary goal as I ended up with 12Lbs of adapter + clutch in a 5.5"
circle. If you haven't heard I ended up tested the limits of my motor,
the clutch survived.
Broadband recommended beyond this point
The adapter hub, taperlock, and button flywheel with teeth cut off.
Pattern is SBC,spline is nissan.
http://cvevs.jfs-tech.com/dsc00061.jpg
assembled
http://cvevs.jfs-tech.com/dsc00069.jpg
http://cvevs.jfs-tech.com/dsc00072.jpg
ouch
http://cvevs.jfs-tech.com/dsc00022.jpg
perhaps it would be better to use an alternator off the tail shaft and a
brake light switch on the clutch to the field to suck down the motor
during shifts. Leaving it in gear and pressing a tad on the clutch adds
some drag on those long downhill runs.
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Should work fine... as long as this was a clean fresh water flood and you
are planning to rip out and replace ALL of the interior and wiring, bleach
everything that remains, and do not mind rust popping up here and there.
Fortunately we do not need to worry about the ICE, but you are probably
planning to keep the transmission and differential - which can suffer from
water.
If I heeded my own advice, I would run away as fast as I could from any kind
of salvage title vehicle.
Art
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Using flooded vehicle as donor
In my quest for a donor vehicle, I have came across a few newer vehicles
that come with
"Flood Title" and the Odometer not working. Has anyone had any experance in
using this
type of vehicle ??
I was looking for a "late" model s-10.
Joe Kidd in Cincy.
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>S. David Freeman figured very prominently as well. Neon John should know him
>as he used to work for the TVA.
Speaking of NJ, where is he?
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Check out Solectria and charger parts
http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZdm3Q5fbarter
Jimmy
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You could still use two strings - just keep them separate. Have each string
connected to the contactor via a selector switch. That way you will get the
increased range from the two strings and you wouldnt have to worry about
balance issues.
Jody
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Cor van de Water
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 3:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: S10 Conversion
Hi Michael,
Make sure you use a single string of batteries, as many
S10 conversions (all US Electricars) use a double string
and have trouble with balance between the two strings.
I use a single string of 26x 110 Ah batteries (UB121100)
More info about the US Electricars on
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/uselectricar/
Success,
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Michael Mohlere
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:53 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: S10 Conversion
All -
I am located in Huntsville, AL and am working with Steve Clunn and another
local expert on converting my first EV, which will be a Chevy S10. Seems
like the battery discussion is running toward Hawkers or Optimas, esp. since
I would prefer to avoid the maintenance aspect of the floodeds. Couple of
questions:
- What type of Hawker Batteries are recommended for an EV, so I can price
them out.
- Same question for the Optimas.
- What kind of acceleration can I expect? I realize it will not be neck
breaking, but there seems to be little info on this subject.....seems like
some straight forward physics and math would provide a
ballpark....obviously, there must be more to it than that!
Any questions or suggestions would be welcome. We are in the process of
purchasing a Zilla controller and a Warp 9 motor for the conversion.
I primarily wanted to initiate a post on the list so you would know that
there will soon be 1 more EV on the road. Of course, I would also imagine
that I will be needing your help one day soon!
Thx, Michael Mohlere
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Hi Garret,
I've been watching this thread with great interest. As you know I have a
similar EV motorcycle set up. I have not observed the behavior the you
describe,
but most of my tests where I have measured current have been at near full
charge and on steep, but shorter hills that are ~1/4 mile long. My current
(crude) instrumentation does not allow me to look at volts and amps in the
same
test.
Like your machine, mine has fixed gear ratio and battery amps are equal to
motor amps (400 peak). I only see peak current at low rpms as when the motor
rpms climb the current drops to the almost to the levels that you describe (my
recollection is ~170 amps when accelerating near the top of a long hill at
~50MPH. The other main difference is that my batteries are AGMs. On short hills
I am able to accelerate at will at 70 MPH. However I am likely at a higher
SOC during most of my tests.
Perhaps you could comment as to whether your motor timing is neutral or
advanced. I can't help but wonder if advancing your motor timing and repeating
the long hill high motor rpm test would tell us anything interesting about the
symptoms that you described.
- Mike B
Mike Bachand
Denver Electric Vehicle Council (DEVC)
Board Member, Web Administration and Newsletter Editor
Kawasaki Ninja EV
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I believe the correct URL is
http://www.dodge-pt.com/literature/catalogs/pt_components_catalog.html
Scroll down the page until you find the "Taper Lock" link...plz correct me
if I am wrong. The original URL given appears to be incorrect.
Mike
From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Taper Lock Adapter
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:12:29 -0600
Try this for a source of supply:
www.dodge-pt.com/literature/catalogs/pt_components.html<http://www.dodge-pt.com/literature/catalogs/pt_components.html>
The on line catalog will show taper locks for many different type of
applications. They even make a flywheel type which I used on a inboard
engine for a boat which connects to the prop.
Note: if the WEB address doubles up for some reason, just delete the last
half of it. DELL install a new operating system and Its been doing that.
Roland
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From: Dana Havranek<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Taper Lock Adapter
Hi Fred:
Martin Sprocket and Gear makes 3 styles of taperlock couplings - a
common hub with taper bushings that are used with chain sprockets on
conveyers, a QD, or Quick Disconnect coupling that can be used two ways and
a MST coupling.
They supply weld-on (blank) hubs for all the taperlocks.
They are here:
http://www.martinsprocket.biz/<http://www.martinsprocket.biz/>
but not much is on the site.
They have a good catalog, with complete specs for the couplings, if you
can get a hold of one. It's industrial stuff so you'll need to find a
distributor.
A lot of constraints have to be satisfied to make a selection you can
work with or modify succesfully.
There is another company that came up on the list not too long ago, but
I can't remember who it was. Seemed to me they were located in St Charles,
IL.
Anyway, Good Luck.
Dana
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From: "Hartsell, Fred"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> Can someone tell me if there is a business or person that sells the
> Taper Lock Adapter and hub without the flywheel holes drilled? I have
> searched the internet this past weekend without much luck. I am
> converting a 4 cylinder 1991 Dodge Dakota pickup and I can not find
the
> adapter set for it. So, I would like to make my own. I have a friend
> of mine that is a retired machinist and he is going to help me with
this
> part of my project. We can make the transmission cover and the motor
> mounting plate but it would be easier to just buy a generic Taper Lock
> and hub instead of reinventing the thing.
>
>
>
> Also I would like to thank all of the experts and seasoned veterans on
> this list that take their time to help us newbie's. We really do
> appreciate all of your help and advice. This is only my second
question
> as I spend most of my spare time reading all of the other comments. I
> find that I can get a lot of great information by just reading.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Fred
>
>
>
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From: "Michael Mohlere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:08 AM
Subject: RE: Taper Lock Adapter
> I wonder how much weight is actually saved by switching to an Aluminum
> flywheel vs. the expense of doing same. I would think that machining off
> the "diameter" of the stock flywheel (teeth, etc, per email below) would
be
> close to what one could accomplish on the order of reducing the weight of
> same, and should be able to be done at very little cost. My guess is that
> it is not worth going to the expense of an AL flywheel unless you are
> planning to race the vehicle, or maybe you just got some cash burning a
hole
> in your pocket!
>
> Mike
> Hi Mike an' All;
Just taking the stock flywheel, chucking it in a lathe and cutting it
down sure saved me a buncha weight, and BUX on the VW Rabbit. I cut things
doen to 6 lbs from 12 or 14 stock!No more floored speed shifting at 120
volts, as the motor spins merrily away, quicker than before! It was fun
doing the VW, cut into the flywheel, undermined the ring gear, just going
deeper, just enough left to bolt the pressure plate to. after all these
festivities I reassembled the Flywheel, and Pressure plate, on the
aermature, schlepped it down to a speed shop to get it ALL balanced, as it
would go in the car. I'd be still enjoying it, if I still had the Rabbit.
The whole thing is sleeping under my work bench, lerking, to go in the 89
Jetta I got, now.The Sentra has a heavy flywheel, but it's gunna stay for
now.
Seeya
Bob
>
> >From: Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: RE: Taper Lock Adapter
> >Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:57:19 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >There's a company called Fidanza (www.fidanza.com) that makes aluminum
> >flywheels. It was close to
> >$300 for one for my car, so I opted to have the flywheel machined to
> >lighten it. Maybe my next car
> >will have an aluminum flywheel.
> >
> >--- "Hartsell, Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I have also thought about trying to find an aluminum flywheel for less
> >weight.
> > >
> >
>
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The Mustang is ahead by 8 votes. 3984 to 3976.
The 240 SX CAN be car of the month THIS month if the votes come in this
week.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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From: "Mike & Paula Willmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 12:44 AM
Subject: Dragtimes Featured Car of the Month
> One week left and I see THE Ford Mustang gaining on Matt's Electric 240SX
> who's currently in the top spot. Can we push the votes for one more week?
> I push 2 a day for for the 240SX and Killacycle, but I can't hold them off
> alone.
>
> If there's 3 cars and a bike on the Dragtimes featured spot for this year
> alone by the time August 12th comes it would be insprational to the
several
> people I've got interested in racing electric. I'm going to have a laptop
> set up with wireless at the Alaska Renewable Energy Fair just to show off
> the Dragtimes.com and evalbum.com websites, and of course video's of White
> Zombie. Can anyone point me towards other good electric racing video, to
> use for PR?
>
> Mike,
> Anchorage, Ak.
>
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Fred,
Search back for this thread (listed below) from 19 January 2006 titled
RE: QD taperlock bushing PN needed
It references PT6-13 and PT6-14 of the catalog that Roland and Michael
reference previously on this thread.
http://www.dodge-pt.com/literature/catalogs/pt_components_catalog.html
When you get there, scroll down about half way to BUSHINGS and select
Specifications.
This will give you the first part of the PT6 chapter.
Most bearing and gear shops have or can get these Dodge products in short
order.
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Mike & Paula Willmon
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:56 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: QD taperlock bushing PN needed
>
>
> The local bearing shop here has similar looking Taper-Lock bushings that I
> see in Gadget's pics of his his Triumph flywheel adaptor
> (http://www.reverendgadget.com/triumph2.html). They're $22 for the split
> taper bushing type 2517 (p/n for the 1-1/8" shaft is 119110) and
> $56 for the
> bushing adaptor (097016 through 097019) pages PT6-13 and PT6-14
> of the Dodge
> catalog. I went and looked them over to see how they'd fit if I bored my
> flywheel and welded them in. The bore hole OD is 4.125" with a
> seating lip
> of 4.250" The depth of this lip from the smaller side can be 0.450",
> 0.565", 0.685" or 1.090" depending on where you need to weld it
> to get your
> "magic number". You might have to research a little through the
> catalog to
> find the right bolt on type adaptor pictured on Gadget's BMW flywheel
> (http://leftcoastconversions.com/gpage.html), however the split taper
> bushing you'll need will most likely be the 2715 with the 1-1/8" bore.
> You'll either have to wels or drill lots of holes. I can e-mail
> anyone this
> section of the catalog if you're interested. Maybe have it posted on
> EVForge.
>
> Just tonight though I've decided to take the easy way and ordered
> an adaptor
> from Electroauto for the Mitsu :-)
>
> Mike
> Anchorage,AK.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Mark Ward
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:40 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: QD taperlock bushing PN needed
>
>
> I have the Dodge Taperlock bushing catalog and am hopeful someone can save
> me some time by letting me know which QD bushing is typically
> used for the 1
> 1/8 inch shaft Warp and ADC motors. There are about 11 pages of
> taperlocks!
>
> I have to order one and get it and the 4130 steel barstock to a
> machine shop
> for my hub to be made up.
>
> Any advice appreciated from someone who has already made up their own.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Mark Ward
> St. Charles, MO
> 95 Saab 900SE "Saabrina"
> www.saabrina.blogspot.com
>
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