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The eclipse is not rear wheel drive. Most of them are front wheel drive, the
highest performance model was all wheel drive. That model hasn't even been
offered since 2000, however.
Ryan
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I just happened to be talking to some guys dragging a mitsubishi PU in
which they use the bell housing from a mazda PU that bolts to the
wideblock 2.4(mitsubishi DOHC) and to the Mazda rx-7 tranny. Supposedly
this tranny is very strong. Is the eclipse RWD?
Check Gross vehicle weight vs curb weight and see if you can find out
how much the original motor weighed and calculate battery weight you
think you can put in there. Look in the archives for battery sizes and
make some cardboard mockups and see how much you can get in there. Watch
out for weight bias! I was able to improve the weight bias on my 300zx.
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:11:06 -0500
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I have a Curtis 1400E converter. Nominal input from 72/96 volts.
Output is 28 volts. That is the problem. I could serial two
batteries for 28 volts and just tap one for twelve. Still it would be
nice to just convert this things output to 13.5, it would shave some
weight and a little complexity off of my car. Is it possible? Thank
you.
R. Matt Milliron
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/702
My daughter named it, "Pikachu". It's yellow and black,
electric and contains Japanese parts, so I went with it.
1981 Jet Electrica.
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> Flooded wouldn't work for a jet ski because of its motion.
> I will google Peukert and see what I find, but the question is still
can
> I drain a sealed lead acid battery of 90% its capacity in an hour over
> and over, or should I limit it to 50% of capacity?
>
Hawkers are rated for 500 cycles of 80% DOD, but the amp rate is not
listed. A Hawker G70EP weighs 53.5lbs and is rated 71Ah at C/10 or
57Ah at C/1 - could be your jet ski's ballast ;)
> Won't the cells get welded together if the current is high enough? :)
> was thinking putting some soft copper sheet between them.
>
> Yeah, been thinking about the parallel issue, since clearly I need to
> parallel 5-10ah batteries to get 50-100ah.
> What I'm thinking is to isolate them, and PWM juice from each string
one
> at a time to the motor, or maybe better to drain one at a time, since
> this would give a nice battery level indicator, e.g. using 10 strings,
> you can count down the number of strings left charged.
>
The cells will be destroyed by heat long before they'd get hot enough
to weld together. A typical NiMH F cell is 260gm and 10Ah, as high as
13Ah with some low discharge types, while NiCd F cells are 240gm and
9Ah. In large enough lots (100 or more), they run $8-10 each.
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Hello Seth,
How I found out, if my GE-11 motor that fits a transmissions that fits a 350
cu.in. engine, is that I went to a transmission shop to look at the
different bolt patterns on the transmission.
These guys told me it will fit without even looking.
some parts guys at a auto parts store, told me it will fit without looking
it up.
I found out that the GE-11 bolt pattern will fit a Chevy, GMC, Pontiac,
Oldsmobile, S10, S15 etc. V-6's and V-8's from the early years to the 80's.
They made some changes in some models in the 80's, but they went back to the
same early pattern in the 90's to the present.
Roland
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Subject: bolt pattern info - Blazer
>
> Hi, I'm starting to think about my options again.
> In case my post about the Saturn seemed odd, the
> explanation is this, it has a nice Kostov motor in it,
> but it's not likely ever to be legal for street use.
>
> So, time to shop for a donor car.
> I have been reading about the range from an S10,
> and thinking about my needs, and I am leaning
> toward an S-10 blazer.
>
> Big question #1, does anyone know how to look up
> to compare the bolt pattern of the Saturn tranny
> against the S-10? This is the kind of information
> that would be nice to catalog for all to use on eforge.
>
> I figure it's 50/50 being the same...Manufacturers
> sometimes reuse parts designs...
> but one is a 4C car, other is a 6C/8C truck - oh well.
>
> Other question is, what to do about batteries?
> the drawback with the Blazer is no tilt-bed!
> but I could get maintenance-free batteries,
> I could make battery boxes with a hatch.
> (Like my friend who bales hay on the upper level
> of his barn, and feeds the goats on the lower ;-)
> Gee, my parents used to have a mid-engine car...
> we tilted the middle seat to water the battery.
>
> As I am typing, I read the Wikipedia on this car,
> I see there are a variety of styles and models.
> I'm not wedded to blazer in particular,
>
> I liked this info
> "All 4-door S10 Blazers and Jimmies came with anti-lock brakes as standard
> equipment; unlike the 2-door model, only two 4.3 L engines were optioned -
> the
> base TBI and the CPI (introduced in 1992 for the S-series and Chevrolet
> Astro
> vans; these engines had the "Vortec" logo on the intake plenum). Some
> consider
> the CPI as the ancestor of the Vortec engine later introduced in 1996."
>
>
>
> So, for the questions for the list.....
> Anyone know if any of these light truck SUV's would use
> the same pattern as the Saturn?
>
> Anyone have firsthand experience with some of these,
> figuring out if one model is better than another
> (ignoring the adaptor plate headache).
>
>
> My thought is to shop around for one with a
> bad motor. Maybe Craigslist ? I checked ebay,
> nothing fits the bill locally.
>
> Thanks all
> Seth
>
>
>
>
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Well, it's a very lightweight car (1500 lbs) with a relatively large
Li-Pol battery pack (~26 kwh), however, it looks like it has loosy
aerodyamics.
In order to go 450km (280 miles) on 26kwh, you'd have to use less than 93
wh per mile.
This car can probably do it....at 25-30 mph.
> My son just sent me this link. I am a rookie but very interested in EV's
> and
> have been reading this list for several months now, but I am a first time
> writer here.
>
> I thought this was worth sharing with you guys. Your comments would be
> appreciated.
>
> http://www.gizmowatch.com/entry/the-designer-courreges-zooop-ev-takes-you-45
> 0-km-per-charge/
>
>
> Orlando S. Ferrassoli
> Freightways Operations
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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Hmmm, I don't recall there EVER being a Federal tax incentive for
converting a vehicle to electric.
There is (was?) a tax deduction for EV charging installations. And, of
course, the tax credit for NEW electric vehicles. Some folks managed to
claim that by converting brand new vehicles before they were ever driven
as ICEs. I think that credit ran out this year though.
> Are all the federal tax incentives for EV conversions gone? I have
> been checking through the IRS website and I can find no reference to
> electric conversions at all. Did they dump that completely?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Chancey,
> '88 Civic EV
> Kansas City, Missouri
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This is an AP item from today... Printed all over the place, but here's
a link from the Boston Globe:
http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2006/08/15/segway_launches_scooter_with_new_steering_technology/
or tinyurl:
http://tinyurl.com/mtkfd
Segway launches scooter with new steering technology
By Associated Press | August 15, 2006
NEW YORK -- Riding on the new version of Segway Inc.'s self-balancing
electric scooter is ``very similar to skiing," says the company's chief
technology officer.
That's because a new batch of technology in the second generation of
the Segway, which was unveiled yesterday, allows users to steer the
device simply by leaning in the direction they want to go, rather than
using a handlebar, said Doug Field.
The new version of the Segway Personal Transporter also comes with a
wireless device that lets the user start it by remote control and
receive an alert if it has been disturbed while unattended.
It also has a sleeker, more futuristic design than its predecessor, and
a starting retail price of $4,995. A more rugged version meant for
off-road use has a starting price of $5,495.
The company has stopped producing the older models but will continue to
offer customer support for older Segways.
Segway wanted to make the new version of the scooter more intuitive and
fun to ride, a vehicle that ``truly becomes an extension of your body,"
according to Field.
Like the original version, the rider still stands on a platform between
two wheels and holds onto a handlebar supported by a stem that rises
vertically from the base. But all of the electronics and wires have
been removed from the top part of the machine.
The key to the new steering technology, Field said, is at the pivot
point between the stem and the base, where a group of sensors ``reads
your body angle" and communicates the information to the software that
controls what direction it travels.
The other major update is a wireless controller called the InfoKey
which has four buttons and an LCD screen and looks like a large digital
watch. It's used to turn the scooter on, but also serves as ``trip
computer" with such functions as an odometer, speedometer, and battery
gauge.
It also can be used to activate an antitheft alarm when an owner leaves
the device unattended. If the device is disturbed while the antitheft
feature is activated, the Segway locks up, sounds an alarm, and sends a
notice to its owner over the InfoKey.
Field said there have not been widespread problems with Segway thefts,
but the device is such a target of curiosity that many users experience
anxiety when they leave it unattended in public, even if only for a few
minutes to run into a store.
Since its launch in 2001, the Segway has been widely praised for the
sophisticated software engineering that allows a rider to balance
effortlessly on two wheels. But its persistently high price often is
cited as one of the reasons it has not yet lived up to the predictions
of its inventor and backers that it would revolutionize personal
transportation.
It is also sometimes mocked as the ultimate in tech geekiness. CNet
Network Inc.'s technology website News.com put the nascent sport of
Segway polo at the top of its list of the 10 worst technologies in the
second quarter of 2006.
Still, the Segway has attracted an avid group of hardcore users who
cherish their time "gliding" on the device. It's also found niche
markets around the world among police and security departments whose
officers who use it to patrol a beat, and entrepreneurs who rent
Segways out or lead tour groups of gliders.
The next generation of Segway comes in two models, the i2 and the x2.
The x2 is meant for more rugged terrain. Both have a top speed of 12.5
mph. The i2 can glide for up to 24 miles on a single battery charge,
while the x2 can go 12 miles.
The company has kept details about its financial health a secret, but
president and chief executive James Norrod said in May that ``tens of
thousands" of Segways have been sold.
© Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company
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just to let people know this concept car use AC propulsion system as all the
models from Miss courreges
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
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> Well, it's a very lightweight car (1500 lbs) with a relatively large
> Li-Pol battery pack (~26 kwh), however, it looks like it has loosy
> aerodyamics.
>
> In order to go 450km (280 miles) on 26kwh, you'd have to use less than 93
> wh per mile.
>
> This car can probably do it....at 25-30 mph.
>
> > My son just sent me this link. I am a rookie but very interested in EV's
> > and
> > have been reading this list for several months now, but I am a first
time
> > writer here.
> >
> > I thought this was worth sharing with you guys. Your comments would be
> > appreciated.
> >
> >
http://www.gizmowatch.com/entry/the-designer-courreges-zooop-ev-takes-you-45
> > 0-km-per-charge/
> >
> >
> > Orlando S. Ferrassoli
> > Freightways Operations
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:49:39 -0000
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> > So, time to shop for a donor car.
> > I have been reading about the range from an S10,
> > and thinking about my needs, and I am leaning
> > toward an S-10 blazer.
> >
>
> Next you can get a kit from Rodster.com for a really cool-looking EV!
>
...and here's one perfect for that kit:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/car/193568783.html
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On 8/15/06, Robert Chew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Peoples,
>
> I am getting pretty desperate. I am about to stat my new job which is around
> 25-30 km's from my place. Most of it on the freeway. I am able to drive at
> 90 km/hr.
> There is simply no room in my vehicle to add mroe batteries. The vehicle can
> only carry around 4 kwh of batts. Then it gets too heavy and exceeds the GVM
> as well as intruding in my drivers space :-)
What kind of vehicle is that?
Just a thought, but rather than mess about with trailers or so on,
have you looked into using batteries with better energy density?
Li-Ion or Nicad? If you need let's say 8kWh to get there reliably
(and charge at work I assume?) then it's maybe not an unreasonable
cost compared to a whole extra lead pack and trailer, especially since
that might not end up a very nice solution.
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Hi Folk's
My VP-12124 that I made at www.valcom.com (for specs) is sold through GrayBar
for about $290 and is a 300W. To change operation from 24V to 14V adjust the
resistor values as shown. I made it in 96' and have been using since then in
my EV's from 72V - 336V input polarity protected (since it was designed for AC
as well.
CHANGE R30 FROM 3.4K TO 2.2K 1%
CHANGE R31 FROM 30.1K TO 10.0K 1%
( 1% if you need the tight tolerance, otherwise 5%)
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Hi Folk's,
I previously mentioned that my converter would go from 72V - 336VDC and I
just tested the higher range on the bench since some wanted to operate at the
higher range as well and it will operate up to 370V. See model VP-12124 on
www.valcom.com Order through distributor Graybar Electric for about $290.
Remember to change the 2 resistors as follows to adjust from 24V to 14V:
R30 CHANGE FROM 3.4K TO 2.21K
R31 CHANGE FROM 30.1K TO 10.0K
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From: Tony Belding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is this for real ?
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:06:06 -0500
To: [email protected]
On Aug 15, 2006, at 2:52 AM, Peter VanDerWal wrote:
> Well, it's a very lightweight car (1500 lbs) with a relatively large
> Li-Pol battery pack (~26 kwh), however, it looks like it has loosy
> aerodyamics.
>
> In order to go 450km (280 miles) on 26kwh, you'd have to use less
> than 93
> wh per mile. This car can probably do it....at 25-30 mph.
I'd also add that. . . Getting it to meet safety regulations in the
USA would require major changes and probably adding a lot of weight.
I suspect the transparent canopy would act like a greenhouse in the
heat of summer, making it unbearable. Most of all, the Zooop looks
to me like something designed to scare ordinary people away from
electric vehicles. (Could Exxon Mobil ask for a better rolling
advertisement?)
In other words, it's exactly what you might expect from a French
fashion designer.
Tony Belding, Hamilton Texas
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HI
Please check out the ev album. Its a fiat 126.
Well i simply cannot afford nicads or Li. I got a quote from thundersky
which i presume is the cheapest Li out there and it would be 12K aussie
dollars. Nicads (saft flooded) cannot be obtained since the company will not
sell it to me.
Oh by the way, when i say trailer, i mean a small trailer not a RV type
trailer!
I am talking trailers that are pulled behind a motorbike.
Cheers
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>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: battery trailer
>Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:24:22 +0100
>
>On 8/15/06, Robert Chew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Hi Peoples,
>>
>>I am getting pretty desperate. I am about to stat my new job which is
>>around
>>25-30 km's from my place. Most of it on the freeway. I am able to drive at
>>90 km/hr.
>
>>There is simply no room in my vehicle to add mroe batteries. The vehicle
>>can
>>only carry around 4 kwh of batts. Then it gets too heavy and exceeds the
>>GVM
>>as well as intruding in my drivers space :-)
>
>What kind of vehicle is that?
> Just a thought, but rather than mess about with trailers or so on,
>have you looked into using batteries with better energy density?
>Li-Ion or Nicad? If you need let's say 8kWh to get there reliably
>(and charge at work I assume?) then it's maybe not an unreasonable
>cost compared to a whole extra lead pack and trailer, especially since
>that might not end up a very nice solution.
>
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Is there a simple way to increase the upper end of the voltage range? I mean,
are there some
simple component changes that would raise the supported voltage to the 450v
range?
Dave Cover, not an EE and I haven't slept in a Holiday Inn Express recently.
--- "Mark E. Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Folk's,
>
> I previously mentioned that my converter would go from 72V - 336VDC and I
> just tested the
> higher range on the bench since some wanted to operate at the higher range as
> well and it will
> operate up to 370V. See model VP-12124 on www.valcom.com Order through
> distributor Graybar
> Electric for about $290.
>
> Remember to change the 2 resistors as follows to adjust from 24V to 14V:
>
> R30 CHANGE FROM 3.4K TO 2.21K
> R31 CHANGE FROM 30.1K TO 10.0K
>
>
> Mark
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:02:24 -0600
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Pete;
Pub 535 clearly stated that the cost of installing EV Parts was a deduction.
Note you are right this is not a credit but a deduction. Pay particular
attention to Para 2 below. Electricity is defined earlier in the pub as a
clean burning fuel. The pub also states earlier that you can take this
deduction whether you use the property in your business or trade or not.
This means that a private owner can take the deduction. That is specified
because the (rest of the) pub is intended for business expenses. It also
states earlier that (off-board)charging infrastructure is deductible ONLY as
a business expense. Of course all of this is kind of moot now since it all
expired this year. However, anybody that didn't take the deduction has up to
3 yrs to file an amendment.
Deduction for Clean-Fuel Vehicle Property
The deduction for this property may be claimed regardless of whether the
property is used in a trade or business.
Clean-fuel vehicle property. Clean-fuel vehicle property is either of the
following kinds of property.
1. A motor vehicle (defined earlier) produced by an original equipment
manufacturer and designed to be propelled by a clean-burning fuel. These
include designated hybrid gas-electric automobiles which, at this time, only
include the Ford Escape Hybrid, Honda Accord Hybrid, Honda Insight, Honda
Civic Hybrid, Lexus RX 400h, Mercury Mariner Hybrid, Toyota Highlander
Hybrid, and Toyota Prius. Those designated automobiles do not qualify for
the electric vehicle credit. For other than those designated automobiles,
the only part of a vehicle's basis that qualifies for the deduction is the
part attributable to:
a. A clean-fuel engine that can use a clean-burning fuel,
b. The property used to store or deliver the fuel to the engine, or
c. The property used to exhaust gases from the combustion of the fuel.
2. Any property installed on a motor vehicle (including installation costs)
to enable it to be propelled by a clean-burning fuel if:
a. The property is an engine (or modification of an engine) that can use a
clean-burning fuel, or
b. The property is used to store or deliver that fuel to the engine or to
exhaust gases from the combustion of that fuel.
For vehicles that may be propelled by both a clean-burning fuel and any
other fuel, your deduction is generally the additional cost of permitting
the use of the clean-burning fuel.
CAUTION
Clean-fuel vehicle property does not include an electric vehicle that
qualifies for the electric vehicle credit, discussed later.
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--------- Original Message --------
From: Humphrey, Timothy H Ctr AFRL/IFEB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Tim Humphrey' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Are all the federal tax incentives for EV conversions gone?
Date: 15/08/06 04:44
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Peter VanDerWal
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 4:07 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Are all the federal tax incentives for EV conversions gone?
>
> Hmmm, I don't recall there EVER being a Federal tax incentive for
converting
> a vehicle to electric.
>
> There is (was?) a tax deduction for EV charging installations. And, of
> course, the tax credit for NEW electric vehicles. Some folks managed to
> claim that by converting brand new vehicles before they were ever driven
as
> ICEs. I think that credit ran out this year though.
>
> > Are all the federal tax incentives for EV conversions gone? I have
> > been checking through the IRS website and I can find no reference to
> > electric conversions at all. Did they dump that completely?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike Chancey,
> > '88 Civic EV
> > Kansas City, Missouri
> > EV Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com
> > My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda
> > Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org Join the EV List at:
> > http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html
> >
> > In medio stat virtus - Virtue is in the moderate, not the extreme
> > position. (Horace)
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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