EV Digest 5826
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: EM Radiation health hazard
by "Ev Performance (Robert Chew)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Car weights and tire pressure
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) RE: Car weights and tire pressure
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Removing BB600 odd nuts
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: EM Radiation health hazard
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Free electric scooter in Santa Cruz.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Removing BB600 odd nuts
by "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Scooter motors & parts
by "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: EM Radiation health hazard
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Paging John Tuss
by "Matt Kenigson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) west marine
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Paging John Tuss
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: EM Radiation health hazard
by "Ev Performance (Robert Chew)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Removing BB600 odd nuts
by "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Another range question
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Car weights and tire pressure
by "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: BB600 odd nuts + 40 miles on first run!
by Mike Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Removing BB600 odd nuts
by Mike Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Removing BB600 odd nuts
by "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Ultra Capacitors, Aluminum Batteries
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) dls-220-55 max voltage
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: EM Radiation health hazard
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23)
by nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: EM Radiation health hazard
by Lawrence Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: NmG dealership in Texas!
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
26) Re: NmG dealership in Texas!
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
27) Re: 5000 rpms safe for a 9" ADC?
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) High-powered Mini
by Markus Wachsmuth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: NmG dealership in Texas!
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
30) Re: NmG dealership in Texas!
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
31) Re: EM Radiation health hazard
by "Ev Performance (Robert Chew)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Yeah i mean, i don't there is a huge risk in EV's. I think my girlfriend is
just whinging that its to quiet. hehehehehe
But anyway, its worth considering.
Cheers
On 04/09/06, Tom Shay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I studied this subject at length in the early 1990s and came up
with more questions than answers.
If you believe that there are large risks
of blood cancer and your girlfriend gets pulsating headaches keep her
and youself away from electric cars and other sources of EM
radiation. I prefer to save my worrying for real, proven threats like
heart disease and enjoy the many electrical and electronic things that
enrich my life.
Are we off topic yet?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ev Performance (Robert Chew)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: EM Radiation health hazard
> Hi All,
>
> I am writing a report on high voltage power lines for a engineering
ethics
> subject at uni. There seems to be large risks in developing blood cancer
> when exposed to high voltage power lines, even for a short period of
time.
> What are people's thoughts on this issue and its relation to EV's. My
> girlfriend complains of getting pulsating headache sensations whilst i
> drive. I don't experience anything at all.
>
> Cheers
>
>
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The single biggest load on a tire is during brakeing, like the yee old
panic stop. The more loaded a car is the worse this load is. With the
exception of wheel standing drag racers (which use specialized tires and
a little bleach) it is easier to generate over a G stopping while most
cars have trouble generating that accelerating.
My worry with 7 or 10 year old rubber in a vehicle with 1000 lbs of lead
is safety in stopping. When I was racing, I drove home from the track in
race rubber once, this was only sloalam so it was DOT rubber but sticky.
It saved my life that day. I wished I could have that rubber under me
every day but changing tires every 3000 miles was not in the budget.
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I agree that it ignores the tire width, i was looking for that, but the
rest of the article explains how to determine the right pressure from
there with a pyrometer. I own one and have done this on my truck, every
race as a matter of fact. The collected data over time was better than
the skidpad because guessing your average steering angel(skid pad
radius) is just chosen out of the air and doesnt take into account
weight transfer in the fwd and rev direction. Face it, in an autocross
there are more corners we have to slow down for than sweepers we can
power thru.
BTW, The pyrometer method is bang on and will show some strange things.
I had my truck on the same rack a few times a month for a while. I
developed packs of shims that set my alignment to a variety of caster
and camber settings. One day the pyrometer showed too much negative
camber and so I went back to the machine, It said it was good. I asked
if the machine could be off and they ran the calibration and found it
was off, the next alignment was free. I miss those guys. ONce I had it
where i liked it i left it that way for months. The drivers side started
to heat up more on the outside and I found that one of the bushings had
split and was extruding out under load. the toll only cost $35 from
hoosier, i think they are $100 nowadays
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Shucks, Couldn't tell that from the picture. and 5 is not a common
denominator for the 4,8,6,12 points sockets avail.
ok, grease a nut up, insert bearings, making sure it is not on the
bearings outside at all, fill a larger 6 point socket with JB weld and
press it down over the nut. In the morning you have a wrench, but will
it come off the nut? the balls may not slide up off!
I am thinking that the ideal tool is two cups on two shafts, one inside
the other, the inner cup has the 5 bearing holesbut not large enought
for the bearings to fall thru. and the outside cup keeps them from
falling out when you push down and turn the bearings do their work, when
you lift they release.
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There is a certain suspension frequency that causes nausea and
headaches. Women are more susceptible than men for some strange reason
and the passenger is always more than the driver becuase the are not
holding on to the steering wheel they get all information and road feed
back later than the driver.
Test: go rent a hyundi minisuv, the one with the back seat right over
the rear wheel and have someone take you for a drive. It even bothered me.
Your EV may have hit on that frequency(72hz ???) due to the increase in
weight. A stiffing of the spring or increase in the dampening rate may
bring it back to a safe zone.
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You're welcome. LR.........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Will Beckett (becketts)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:55 AM
Subject: RE: Free electric scooter in Santa Cruz.
> Got it. Thanks!
>
>
> - Will
> Aptos, CA 95003
> (831) 688-8669
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes
> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 2:12 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Electric Vehicle Discussion List;
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; SFEVA
> Subject: Free electric scooter in Santa Cruz.
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/zip/202272252.html
>
>
>
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Sears also offers a type of socket for removing stripped nuts. It has a
spiral cut into the nut end to grab whatever is left of the nut, maybe
this would work...
Mike G.
Just a thought,
Sears, and perhaps other places, sell a universal socket that is supposed
to fit most nuts, metric, standard, wing, etc.
Basically it's a big socket full of spring loaded pins with rounded ends.
You push it down on the nut and the pins that don't get pushed up grab the
sides of the nut. One of these 'might' be able to grab these nuts.
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This link doesn't work could you please try again... I wonder if these
motors might be powerful enough for my kids jeep ;)
Mike G.
Pictures available of any Item
gimmie a call 707-318-8169
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED](sebastopol)
-30 Zap 12v electric scooter motors...$5 each
I've got about 30....buy more than two and I'll come down in price
I also have lots of small zap scooter parts and a bunch of brand new
belts...also I've got a couple of scooter frames
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It's remotely plausible that the acoustic vibration of the motor from
the PWM is irritating even if inaudible to the observer.
I'd even say it's remotely possible that the EM radiation from the PWM
is able to cause a headache. This is completely different from cancer.
In any case, I do not believe the EM-induced headache is all that likely
either.
Actually if I were to speculate- and this is totally speculating- I'd
throw this out. Engine noise, white noise, is soothing to some people.
Others go crazy for it (I was about to use a blatanty sexual term). Now
it's been observed that people who get snuck decaf coffee sometimes get
a caffeine withdrawl headache because the body sort of "lets go"
expecting stimulation to take over but the caffeine rush never happens.
Perhaps expecting the "soothing vibrations" of an ICE associated with
the driving experience, getting the driving experience but without that
stimulation is a similar biophysical let-down. Probably not a really
common response.
Danny
Jeff Shanab wrote:
There is a certain suspension frequency that causes nausea and
headaches. Women are more susceptible than men for some strange reason
and the passenger is always more than the driver becuase the are not
holding on to the steering wheel they get all information and road feed
back later than the driver.
Test: go rent a hyundi minisuv, the one with the back seat right over
the rear wheel and have someone take you for a drive. It even bothered me.
Your EV may have hit on that frequency(72hz ???) due to the increase in
weight. A stiffing of the spring or increase in the dampening rate may
bring it back to a safe zone.
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Anyone know how to get a hold of John Tuss? I wanted to ask him some
questions about his Brown Nissan: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/310
Matt Kenigson
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When it is sunday and I am working on the EV there are few places to get
quality wireing and connectors. West marine to the rescue.
I thought others might be interested in this wire, I used the #8 dual
for my dc-dc to the battery.
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product/10001/-1/10001/13268/10001/690/120/9
The wire is 600V and loose when you strip off the white outer caseing,
the strands are all tinned. A little pricey but quality.
I also noticed they had these little items
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product/10001/-1/10001/19483/10001/208/207/9
They were less in the store, but they allow you to put 4 connectors on
each of marine style posts, may be good for an aux battery set up. (They
had a $10 off for $50 purchase coupon at the door)
Anyway, good place to check out and keep in mind for those emergencies.
The guy at the place was all interested in my "land yacht" and
bookmarked all the websites I showed him.
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Hello t Matt and All,
Matt Kenigson wrote:
Anyone know how to get a hold of John Tuss? I wanted to ask him some
questions about his Brown Nissan: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/310
Matt Kenigson
John, who was a single guy and never married, has dropped out from the
EV scene since getting married a little more than a year ago. The brown
Nissan was sold first to somebody in California, then about 6 months
ago, Baby Blue, the Datsun minitruck I originally put together and sold
to John, was sold to Marko Mongillo who (with some help from Plasma Boy)
has brought it back together as a fine, smooth running EV again.
John still lives here in Portland. I know pretty much all you'd need to
know about the brown Nissan, so email me privately with any questions.
See Ya.....John Wayland
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In terms of frequency, the Alltrax switches at 18khz. I definately can't
hear it. but at work, the secretary was mucking around with a ringtone that
apparently high school kids use because they can hear it but it is silent to
teachers! Well, anyway, i could not hear it at all. And my mate was in pain
telling the secretary to turn off the ringtone. I was amazed.
Anyway, its good that she doesn't like riding my EV cause now, i can get a
slight range extension!!
On 04/09/06, Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It's remotely plausible that the acoustic vibration of the motor from
the PWM is irritating even if inaudible to the observer.
I'd even say it's remotely possible that the EM radiation from the PWM
is able to cause a headache. This is completely different from cancer.
In any case, I do not believe the EM-induced headache is all that likely
either.
Actually if I were to speculate- and this is totally speculating- I'd
throw this out. Engine noise, white noise, is soothing to some people.
Others go crazy for it (I was about to use a blatanty sexual term). Now
it's been observed that people who get snuck decaf coffee sometimes get
a caffeine withdrawl headache because the body sort of "lets go"
expecting stimulation to take over but the caffeine rush never happens.
Perhaps expecting the "soothing vibrations" of an ICE associated with
the driving experience, getting the driving experience but without that
stimulation is a similar biophysical let-down. Probably not a really
common response.
Danny
Jeff Shanab wrote:
>There is a certain suspension frequency that causes nausea and
>headaches. Women are more susceptible than men for some strange reason
>and the passenger is always more than the driver becuase the are not
>holding on to the steering wheel they get all information and road feed
>back later than the driver.
>
>
>Test: go rent a hyundi minisuv, the one with the back seat right over
>the rear wheel and have someone take you for a drive. It even bothered
me.
>
>Your EV may have hit on that frequency(72hz ???) due to the increase in
>weight. A stiffing of the spring or increase in the dampening rate may
>bring it back to a safe zone.
>
>
>
>
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> Here is the socket I machined for removing the nuts. Trying it on a
> couple dozen nuts seems to work ok. It dings the 5 holes a little.
>
> http://www.rotordesign.com/s10/bb600socket/P9030377.JPG
>
> Mike
It dings the indents because they are undercut. The knobs that fit inside the
indents have to come out on the Z or X axis, to clear upper edge of the indent.
As you have it your tool comes up vertically on the Y axis and does not fully
engage the indents because of the undercut and so the holes get dinged on the
upper edge.
HTH,
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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I will respond again on this, based on what I've read
for 8 years:
330 Wh/mi. is about average.
If you are under that, especially as low as 200-250,
CONGRATULATIONS. You have an aerodynamically slippery
car, a light foot, or both.
peace,
--- Chris & Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Jim Coate rearranged random electrons to form the
> words:
> > Your 250 whrs/mile is near the top end of what I'd
> expect.
> > So while not a ridiculous number, it might be
> worth checking
> > wheel alignment, dragging brakes, etc.
>
> Thank you - will look into this. Did I misunderstand
> the previous post that
> suggested I had a light foot?
> I take it Solectria's were pro-converted Geo Metros?
>
> > Generically speaking would expect a Force range of
> 30 or 40 miles,
> > depending of course on pack age and driving
> conditions, so your 36 miles
> > could make sense.
>
> I'm concerned about how far I can push this pack. It
> has occurred to me it's
> probably not safe to go by Amp or Watt hrs used, as
> that does not take the
> starting condition of the pack into account.
>
> Should I be looking at the voltage rather than
> measures of work to determine
> DoD? If so, what's the best way to do this - sitting
> still or under load,
> and if the latter what *kind* of load?
>
> FWIW, I've been charging up to an emeter reading of
> 148-150V. When I turn
> off the charger, the reading is about 130V give or
> take a couple volts.
> After our longest days driving (low 20s miles so
> far), the resting pack
> voltage has been ~122V (although accelerating say,
> up a hill it has briefly
> been <100V). Can someone give a newbie a voltage-sag
> explanation, what to
> expect and what to beware of?
>
> Can someone explain to me how I can determine where
> my DoD lies on a 120V
> pack of AGMs? I really want to treat them right!
>
> Thanks a bunch!
>
>
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Ah... rotational difference. Yes, I could see how that could work, at least
for the driven wheels. I was thinking more like Mercedes did... sensors
inside each rim, if I recall.
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From: "Cor van de Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 9:25 PM
Subject: RE: Car weights and tire pressure
> The easiest way to check for tire pressure differences is to
> count the pulses from the ABS sensors on all wheels, so in
> theory the added cost is minimal (an extra routine in the
> ABS computer) and consists of an extra indicator on the dash.
> Cor van de Water
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These green tops are Safts as well. I have the type you described as
well. Turns out the stud is not an adapter, it's actually the battery
post.
Mike
--- "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are these cells made by SAFT ?
> My BB600 cells are white on top with RED plastic molded in to
> identify
> the positive terminal. Also the tops of my terminals are not covered
> in
> plastic. I do like the adapter studs and the interconnects though.
> Mike G.
>
> >I could I guess. I'm hoping to find the right tool. I could mill a
> >socket with 5 legs on it I suppose.
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >
> >--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mark McCurdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>> could you weld a couple of ball bearings into an oversized socket
> >>
> >>
> >for those
> >
> >
> >>> nuts?
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To: "EVDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:03 AM
> >>> Subject: BB600 odd nuts + 40 miles on first run!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> > The BB600 packs I got are 19 to a box. The box is something
> special,
> >>>> > but the nuts that hold the buss bars in place are not one I've
> seen
> >>>> > before. Here is a link. Please tell me what that nut it is so
> I
> >>>
> >>>
> >can get
> >
> >
> >> > a socket for it.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.rotordesign.com/s10/nuts2.jpg
> >> >
> >> > These BB600 cells are also different in that the normal 10-32
> screws
> >> > have been replaced with a 10-32 to 3/8" stud-standoff. You can
> see it
> >> > under the buss bar. Maybe for higher current. The buss bars and
> nuts
> >> > are covered with Cosmolene. So that's why they have a brown tint
> to
> >> > them.
> >
>
>
Here's to the crazy ones.
The misfits.
The rebels.
The troublemakers.
The round pegs in the square holes.
The ones who see things differently
The ones that change the world!!
www.RotorDesign.com
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Sounds right.
I just made two of them. The one that works the best just fills the
holes the most. I may try a 3rd one that may fill the holes better
still. Socket plating like to burn brightly. Sockets are tough buggers
to cut.
Mike
--- Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Here is the socket I machined for removing the nuts. Trying it on a
> > couple dozen nuts seems to work ok. It dings the 5 holes a little.
> >
> > http://www.rotordesign.com/s10/bb600socket/P9030377.JPG
> >
> > Mike
>
> It dings the indents because they are undercut. The knobs that fit
> inside the indents have to come out on the Z or X axis, to clear
> upper edge of the indent. As you have it your tool comes up
> vertically on the Y axis and does not fully engage the indents
> because of the undercut and so the holes get dinged on the upper
> edge.
>
> HTH,
>
> Rush
> Tucson AZ
> www.ironandwood.org
>
>
Here's to the crazy ones.
The misfits.
The rebels.
The troublemakers.
The round pegs in the square holes.
The ones who see things differently
The ones that change the world!!
www.RotorDesign.com
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They go back to Sears in the morning. Just would not bit the nut, so
to speak :)
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Sears also offers a type of socket for removing stripped nuts. It has a
> spiral cut into the nut end to grab whatever is left of the nut, maybe
> this would work...
> Mike G.
>
> >Just a thought,
> >
> >Sears, and perhaps other places, sell a universal socket that is
supposed
> >to fit most nuts, metric, standard, wing, etc.
> >
> >Basically it's a big socket full of spring loaded pins with rounded
ends.
> >You push it down on the nut and the pins that don't get pushed up
grab the
> >sides of the nut. One of these 'might' be able to grab these nuts.
> >
>
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Capacitors have promise for allowing you to get short burts of powerful
acceleration from a battery which can't supply such high current
surges. While it's hard to say what's possible, the capabilities to
replace bulk battery storage are not there today and it doesn't sound
like there's anything on the horizon which could.
The "aluminum battery" has been discussed here before. General opinion
was that they didn't sound credible at all. Only holdouts were those
people suggesting maybe they could have something going but the language
barrier got in the way. IIRC they were making bold claims of the
potential of their technology but it sounded like they didn't even have
a lab prototype made to know if the principle was sound.
There's an "aluminum-air" primary (non-rechargeable) battery. That's
real but non-rechargeable cells are not very useful for an EV.
Danny
Ryan Stotts wrote:
Is any of this stuff going to be a reality, or is it just the same old
story?
http://electricperformance.com/forum/index.php?topic=11
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I just searched thru 200 evlist digests and looks like we never got the
max voltage rating of these units. Does anyone know?
I have a 288 pack whose end of charge is 354 and don't want to kill the
new dc-dc.
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Well, the frustrating part is there's nothing to "consider" here.
Allegations, even as a helpful suggestion, has a potent fear component
and nobody can do anything to disprove it.
"considering it" only means keeping a fear in the back of your mind that
your car will give you or someone you love horrible blood cancer. No
other result is possible that I can think of.
Danny
Ev Performance (Robert Chew) wrote:
Yeah i mean, i don't there is a huge risk in EV's. I think my
girlfriend is
just whinging that its to quiet. hehehehehe
But anyway, its worth considering.
Cheers
On 04/09/06, Tom Shay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I studied this subject at length in the early 1990s and came up
with more questions than answers.
If you believe that there are large risks
of blood cancer and your girlfriend gets pulsating headaches keep her
and youself away from electric cars and other sources of EM
radiation. I prefer to save my worrying for real, proven threats like
heart disease and enjoy the many electrical and electronic things that
enrich my life.
Are we off topic yet?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ev Performance (Robert Chew)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: EM Radiation health hazard
> Hi All,
>
> I am writing a report on high voltage power lines for a engineering
ethics
> subject at uni. There seems to be large risks in developing blood
cancer
> when exposed to high voltage power lines, even for a short period of
time.
> What are people's thoughts on this issue and its relation to EV's. My
> girlfriend complains of getting pulsating headache sensations whilst i
> drive. I don't experience anything at all.
>
> Cheers
>
>
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Hi everyone,
Here are some photos from yesterday's BEVOB meet in Bristol UK - as
taken by our visiting friend from San Fran, CA.
We had four Electric bikes, (A Viking friction driven, an E-go, a
sakura and my partner's unknown bike) and three Evs (Two Elcat vans
and a self-converted Axaim AC two-seater)
Great turn out, with lots of people from BVS popping by as well. Next
meet will be October 1st, same place, same time. Hopefully we'll have
more cars and less wind than we did yesterday! We have also planned
a few demonstrations we're attending in the next month or so,
including one where the local TV station will be in attendance!
(Yesterday we had a guy from the BBC come with a camera and a sound
recorder)
The photos can be found on Flickr.
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=BEVOB&m=tags&page=1
If anyone is visiting the UK or the south west and would like to come
along please let me know and I'll see if we can arrange it!
Regards
Nikki.
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Also check the studies carefully before you go spreading rumors. There
was a show on TV examining one of the studies on power lines and cancer
and when they controlled for diet and income they found that the link
between diet and cancer was much stronger than the one between power
lines and cancer. What they concluded was that on average people living
under power lines tended to be in lower income brackets and that their
diet consisted of higher amounts or highly processed foods like hot
dogs. The chemicals, primarily the nitrites, used to preserve these
foods can be converted by overcooking in to various carcinogenic
compounds. There conclusion was the diet and income were much stronger
factors and the only link to power lines was that land was cheaper.
Demographic based studies are very hard to control for factors the
researcher didn't consider.
Of course all this is just statistics and while numbers may not lie they
can be very misleading... Take a look at this web log for a humorous
take on this issue:
http://blog.core-ed.net/greg/2006/05/lies_dam_lies_and_statistics.html
Lawrence
Danny Miller wrote:
Well, the frustrating part is there's nothing to "consider" here.
Allegations, even as a helpful suggestion, has a potent fear component
and nobody can do anything to disprove it.
"considering it" only means keeping a fear in the back of your mind
that your car will give you or someone you love horrible blood
cancer. No other result is possible that I can think of.
Danny
Ev Performance (Robert Chew) wrote:
Yeah i mean, i don't there is a huge risk in EV's. I think my
girlfriend is
just whinging that its to quiet. hehehehehe
But anyway, its worth considering.
Cheers
On 04/09/06, Tom Shay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I studied this subject at length in the early 1990s and came up
with more questions than answers.
If you believe that there are large risks
of blood cancer and your girlfriend gets pulsating headaches keep her
and youself away from electric cars and other sources of EM
radiation. I prefer to save my worrying for real, proven threats like
heart disease and enjoy the many electrical and electronic things that
enrich my life.
Are we off topic yet?
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From: "Ev Performance (Robert Chew)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: EM Radiation health hazard
> Hi All,
>
> I am writing a report on high voltage power lines for a engineering
ethics
> subject at uni. There seems to be large risks in developing blood
cancer
> when exposed to high voltage power lines, even for a short period of
time.
> What are people's thoughts on this issue and its relation to EV's. My
> girlfriend complains of getting pulsating headache sensations
whilst i
> drive. I don't experience anything at all.
>
> Cheers
>
>
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In a message dated 9/2/2006 8:28:54 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> After crunching some numbers, the $200+ she pumps into her current daily
> driver each month will make the payments on the NmG and the range should
fit just
> fine.
How does she manage to spend $200 each month on fuel without driving more
than 30 miles per day? Does she drive an H2? :-)
-Owen
Her daily driver is a Ford Explorer. It gets about 23 MPG on the highway.
Yes, she drives far more than 30 miles per day. The bulk of her daily driving,
however, is short trips less than 10 miles each. The vast majority of each
trip is sitting in traffic jams. It is normal to take 30 minutes to go 10
miles - double that during rush hours. She works in an office environment and
makes deliveries around the downtown Austin area. The NmG will be on charge
between each trip.
The specified range of the NmG is 30 miles. That does not mean that it
cannot be charged until the 30 miles have been driven. We do not expect any
range
issue with this arrangement, however, we are willing to deal with ANY issues
that may arise.
Ken
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In a message dated 9/2/2006 11:17:49 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Let's hope that your experience turns out well with timely delivery of
the car and few or no serious hassles getting it financed, licensed,
insured,
serviced and repaired.
$200 per month won't cover payments on a $25000 car.
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 2:43 PM
Subject: NmG dealership in Texas!
> Myers Motors has a new dealership in Austin Texas!
> As of Wednesday, August 23, 2006, Electric Vehicles of Austin acquired
> dealership of it's first highway electric vehicle, the NmG (formerly
> Sparrow).
>
> Their first NmG sale occurred on August 31 - to my wife, Heidi. :)
>
> Since the NmG became available, and since she didn't want to wait for me
> to
> finish converting our Fiero (and besides, after the Fiero is converted, we
> would still only have one EV) and after a test drive she fell in love with
> it, she
> had to have one! So now we will have two EVs. I added my approval after
> performing a burnout test. :)
>
> She ordered it in yellow and is working on art work to "pretty it up." It
> is
> a hard wait -- six to eight weeks delivery.
>
> After crunching some numbers, the $200+ she pumps into her current daily
> driver each month will make the payments on the NmG and the range should
> fit just
> fine.
>
> It's going to be a great year!!
>
> Ken
>
>
Sorry, too late for that negative. The car is already financed and insured.
The registration is still pending, but, if there is a problem there we will
deal with it.
Heidi's life career has been in finance and business management. She is
quite good at it!
We do not expect any service or repair issues. The dealership is also a
service center. However, If the dealer won't or can't handle it, I will.
Ken
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Hey Mark
I believe that ADC states the 9" at 5K for a maximum now. All of the
exploded comms I've seen have been spun out without data to RPM's. The best
data I have is a commuttor that was cracked (in three places at 7K when John
Benson was setting his rev limiter (this was also a cold comm). The comm began
ticking just as he reached 7K and set the unit 8^(
As to wether the other comms were exceeding 7K or not is unknown, but
probably were. At least they were probably into the high 6K's. I believe you
should have no problem doing 5K with your ADC9, just don't come beat me up if
it splodes, 8^P For what it's worth IMO the 9" should be good to 6K, then
again I don't want to be held liable for any wrongness of my opinion.
Hope this helps
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
Mark Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have been using 4500 rpms as my limit but I'm wondering if 5k for cruising
around would be safe in the long term for this motor. If it were I could do
most all of my trip in 2nd gear and not have to shift so much into 3rd. 3rd is
difficult becuase my tranny is failing and my clutch no longer functions.
I'm driving the truck into the ground but I don't want to wreck the 9" motor.
My trips last about 20 minutes twice a day everyday.
Thanks,
Mark Hastings
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Impressive performance: top speed, acceleration, range, torque, etc. for
a Mini that BMW wants to hear nothing about....
http://www.pmlflightlink.com/archive/news_mini.html
Just in case you hadn't taken note of this one yet....
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Thanks for the support!!
I must admit I am surprised at the volume of negative responses. I do have
some advice for those who are inhibited with negative opinions so easily: Go
rent (or better yet buy) the DVD, "The Worlds Fastest Indian." Watch it, pay
attention and take notes.
Ken
In a message dated 9/3/2006 10:34:37 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Let's applaud this couple rather than beat him. He has done what I would love
to happen. First he has gotten his wife into an EV in the first place! Yeah.
Second off it's his second EV!YEAH! Third off he is attempting to support EV
manufacturing in the US which is virtually non existent. And if your on this
list then you are probably for EV and this is a big win for those of us still
try to get into their first one.
Never mind the politics of no Federal support.
Never mind about the reduction in pollution.
And disregard the reduction in oil usage.
Just think of the Giant EV Grin he will have! Yippee!!!
Congratulations Ken and Heidi may you have many happy EV miles!
Tom Shay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Let's hope that your experience
turns out well with timely delivery of
the car and few or no serious hassles getting it financed, licensed,
insured,
serviced and repaired.
$200 per month won't cover payments on a $25000 car.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: ;
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 2:43 PM
Subject: NmG dealership in Texas!
> Myers Motors has a new dealership in Austin Texas!
> As of Wednesday, August 23, 2006, Electric Vehicles of Austin acquired
> dealership of it's first highway electric vehicle, the NmG (formerly
> Sparrow).
>
> Their first NmG sale occurred on August 31 - to my wife, Heidi. :)
>
> Since the NmG became available, and since she didn't want to wait for me
> to
> finish converting our Fiero (and besides, after the Fiero is converted, we
> would still only have one EV) and after a test drive she fell in love with
> it, she
> had to have one! So now we will have two EVs. I added my approval after
> performing a burnout test. :)
>
> She ordered it in yellow and is working on art work to "pretty it up." It
> is
> a hard wait -- six to eight weeks delivery.
>
> After crunching some numbers, the $200+ she pumps into her current daily
> driver each month will make the payments on the NmG and the range should
> fit just
> fine.
>
> It's going to be a great year!!
>
> Ken
>
>
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In a message dated 9/3/2006 11:05:49 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >Snip_a_Bit!
> > It's going to be a great year!!
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > Hi Ken;
EEEHA! A TWO EV family! That's great, now FINISH up the Fiero, too! Ya
gotta do Cruise Nights an' stuff in stereo!Go to the Auston EAA Klub
meetings with 2 ev's. I'm sure Heidi would go for that too. EV's arent just
a guy thing.
May the happy hum of traction motors go on forEVer!
Bob
>
>
>
>
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>
Thanks, Bob!
Hey! I don't have to exert any persuasion. Heidi is VERY pro EV. She
bought the tickets and organized our vacation trip to 5th EVER in Joliet, IL,
before I EVen knew about it! She is already scheduling car shows to show off
her
new EV. Not just EV events, but, the gasser car shows. No preaching to the
choir here!
Yes, I am a blessed man!
Ken
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HI All,
Lawrence, i like your reasoning and seems valid and plausible.
Danny, there is no harm into considering things. Its better than being
ignorant. That way i am sure i have covered all grounds. I am not overly
concerned about EM radiation in my car, i was just curious as my girlfriend
experience headaches.
And Lawrence, i ain't spreading rumors or am going to in future. I just
pointed out a suggestion that many people do on this list.
Cheers
On 04/09/06, Lawrence Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Also check the studies carefully before you go spreading rumors. There
was a show on TV examining one of the studies on power lines and cancer
and when they controlled for diet and income they found that the link
between diet and cancer was much stronger than the one between power
lines and cancer. What they concluded was that on average people living
under power lines tended to be in lower income brackets and that their
diet consisted of higher amounts or highly processed foods like hot
dogs. The chemicals, primarily the nitrites, used to preserve these
foods can be converted by overcooking in to various carcinogenic
compounds. There conclusion was the diet and income were much stronger
factors and the only link to power lines was that land was cheaper.
Demographic based studies are very hard to control for factors the
researcher didn't consider.
Of course all this is just statistics and while numbers may not lie they
can be very misleading... Take a look at this web log for a humorous
take on this issue:
http://blog.core-ed.net/greg/2006/05/lies_dam_lies_and_statistics.html
Lawrence
Danny Miller wrote:
> Well, the frustrating part is there's nothing to "consider" here.
> Allegations, even as a helpful suggestion, has a potent fear component
> and nobody can do anything to disprove it.
>
> "considering it" only means keeping a fear in the back of your mind
> that your car will give you or someone you love horrible blood
> cancer. No other result is possible that I can think of.
>
> Danny
>
> Ev Performance (Robert Chew) wrote:
>
>> Yeah i mean, i don't there is a huge risk in EV's. I think my
>> girlfriend is
>> just whinging that its to quiet. hehehehehe
>>
>> But anyway, its worth considering.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> On 04/09/06, Tom Shay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I studied this subject at length in the early 1990s and came up
>>> with more questions than answers.
>>> If you believe that there are large risks
>>> of blood cancer and your girlfriend gets pulsating headaches keep her
>>> and youself away from electric cars and other sources of EM
>>> radiation. I prefer to save my worrying for real, proven threats
like
>>> heart disease and enjoy the many electrical and electronic things that
>>> enrich my life.
>>>
>>> Are we off topic yet?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ev Performance (Robert Chew)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 1:41 PM
>>> Subject: EM Radiation health hazard
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi All,
>>> >
>>> > I am writing a report on high voltage power lines for a engineering
>>> ethics
>>> > subject at uni. There seems to be large risks in developing blood
>>> cancer
>>> > when exposed to high voltage power lines, even for a short period of
>>> time.
>>> > What are people's thoughts on this issue and its relation to EV's.
My
>>> > girlfriend complains of getting pulsating headache sensations
>>> whilst i
>>> > drive. I don't experience anything at all.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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