EV Digest 5825
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Cuirb weights. Lets start a list.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: NmG dealership in Texas!
by "Death to All Spammers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Car weights and tire pressure
by "Death to All Spammers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Free electric scooter in Santa Cruz.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) RE: Car weights and tire pressure
by "Phil Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Car weights and tire pressure
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Removing BB600 odd nuts
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Car weights and tire pressure
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Removing BB600 odd nuts
by "Mark McCurdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Removing BB600 odd nuts
by "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Removing BB600 odd nuts
by "Mark McCurdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: NmG dealership in Texas!
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: NmG dealership in Texas!
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: BB600 odd nuts + 40 miles on first run!
by T Waltz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Last Saturday's Oregonian 'Electric Drag Racer' Article
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) RE: Free electric scooter in Santa Cruz.
by "Will Beckett \(becketts\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: Last Saturday's Oregonian 'Electric Drag Racer' Article
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Removing BB600 odd nuts
by "Ted C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) EM Radiation health hazard
by "Ev Performance (Robert Chew)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: EM Radiation health hazard
by Steve Condie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Kawasaki shaft drive 750
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: EM Radiation health hazard
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Ultra Capacitors, Aluminum Batteries
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: EM Radiation health hazard
by "Mark McCurdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Another range question
by Chris & Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Removing BB600 odd nuts
by Mike Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: BB600 odd nuts + 40 miles on first run!
by "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: EM Radiation health hazard
by "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: Removing BB600 odd nuts
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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2108 for the HB. LR.......
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From: "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: Cuirb weights. Lets start a list.
> Consumer Guide rates them @ 2200 lbs before stripping them down... if I'm
> reading this correctly.
>
>
http://auto.consumerguide.com/Auto/Used/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/2049/Act/usedcarreviewspecs/
>
> (That's a good spot to find specs on many cars.)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@efn.org>
> > Cc: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: Cuirb weights. Lets start a list.
> >
> >
> > > Man I'm confused. I thought that Honda weighed around that as Curb
> > weight.
> > > How did you get that info? Lawrence Rhodes.......
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> > > From: "Bob Bath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 3:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Cuirb weights. Lets start a list.
> > >
> > >
> > > > 92 Honda Civic DX weighs 2220 stripped of AC, motor,
> > > > radiator, etc.
> > >
> >
>
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> Let's hope that your experience turns out well with timely delivery of
> the car and few or no serious hassles getting it financed, licensed,
> insured,
> serviced and repaired.
>
> $200 per month won't cover payments on a $25000 car.
>
But it sure would cover registration, biennial smog, insurance, oil
changes, and 3 buck gas to get my 10-year-old RAV4 more than 15K mi a
year, which it wouldn't see even if it was our only car and I didn't
have the Ranger EV for commuting. Of course, it hasn't needed much
else in a decade of use, but that's a Toyota for you!
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> My old tires were Dunlap 8 ply 235/75/15R with a load rating of 2650 at
> 65PSI. They were air up to the to 65PSI back in 1985, and I ran
them until
> this week.
>
> The new thread depth was 0.385 and today they are at 0.245. That's
only a
> 1/8 inch wear!!!
> They were a anti-ozone type and there was not weather check.
>
> These tires became very stiff, which is cause by the age heavy nylon
belt.
> The tires would develop a flat spot normally at -20 F. but it is
happening
> at any temperature.
>
> It use to take only 8 INCH LBS of force to move the EV on a flat
smooth
> floor while its in 1st gear.
>
> So far, I have only found two companies that make this tire in a 15
inch
> with at load rating of 2340 lbs at 65 psi or 2800 lbs at 85 psi,
which is
> the Pirelli and GoodYear.
>
> These are all weather type design for SUB's and heavy cars.
>
> Otherwise, you would have to go to a 18 or 20 inch wheel that is
also rated
> at this load rating to fit everybody else tires.
>
> Roland
How much mileage did these see? It's remarkable that time and weather
didn't get to them - all the tire guys tell me not to use your rubber
beyond 7-10 years due to the effects of age, but if you have
low-performance needs (no continuous high speeds, slolam driving or
drag-type burning rubber), it probably doesn't create that much
demands on the tires' integrity:
My RAV4's current set have an 88K mi warrantee, and after >20Kmi,
there is some surface checking, but it's mostly cosmetic - not bad for
lax care and infrequent pressure corrections (>10psi over sidewall
rating).
The Ranger EV has 8Kmi on fairly new uniroyals that are labelled "high
efficiency" - no signs of any wear, other than the right rear wheel
that I consistantly fling over unseen curbs and keeps running 10-20psi
lower than the other that run 15psi over rating). In both cars, if we
whip around freeway onrampr and keep hearing squeeling, we check
pressure, and usually find they're down to the vehicle's manufacturers
recommended pressures (i.e. need another 10psi to get to our usual
running pressures!)
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From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
As we have been talking about car weights recently I was lloking for
some kind of indication as to what tire pressure I should be running not
that my conversion is well above stock curb weight.
I found this little tidbit
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0208scc_tire_pressure_guide/index.html
"...In the event that you aren't able to find a recommendation for your
car, or the tires on your car are so different from those that were
originally fitted from the manufacturer as to be incomparable, we
received the following rule of thumb from Oscar Pereda, an engineer for
BFGoodrich. He calls it a "realistic starting point," saying it has
never been just right, but is a good place to start. The rule is:
(Vehicle Weight in lb/100) + 2 psi at heavier end + 2 psi all around if
suspension and alignment are stock.
Example: Stock 911, 3,000 lb.
(3000/100) = 30 psi
Add 2 psi all around = 32 psi
Add 2 psi to heavy end = 34 psi at rear
With modified suspension, the result is 30 psi front, 32 psi rear...."
Jeff-
I believe it when he says that this formula has "never been just right".
This formula considers only vehicle weight and not tire size.
If I used this formula on my 2000 lb Echo, I would get 24 psi front, 22 psi
rear.
Not only would that be VERY bad as far as fuel consumption, it would be
dangerous. The handling and braking would be bad, tire wear awful, and
there would be a risk of blowouts at highway speeds.
Rather than use this formula, I would stick with the car specs ( and add a
few psi) , Or just take a reasonable guess.
Phil
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From: "Death to All Spammers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: Car weights and tire pressure
> > My old tires were Dunlap 8 ply 235/75/15R with a load rating of 2650 at
> > 65PSI. They were air up to the to 65PSI back in 1985, and I ran
> them until
> > this week.
> >
> > The new thread depth was 0.385 and today they are at 0.245. That's
> only a
> > 1/8 inch wear!!!
> > They were a anti-ozone type and there was not weather check.
> >
> > These tires became very stiff, which is cause by the age heavy nylon
> belt.
> > The tires would develop a flat spot normally at -20 F. but it is
> happening
> > at any temperature.
> >
> > It use to take only 8 INCH LBS of force to move the EV on a flat
> smooth
> > floor while its in 1st gear.
> >
> > So far, I have only found two companies that make this tire in a 15
> inch
> > with at load rating of 2340 lbs at 65 psi or 2800 lbs at 85 psi,
> which is
> > the Pirelli and GoodYear.
> >
> > These are all weather type design for SUB's and heavy cars.
> >
> > Otherwise, you would have to go to a 18 or 20 inch wheel that is
> also rated
> > at this load rating to fit everybody else tires.
> >
> > Roland
>
> How much mileage did these see? It's remarkable that time and weather
I have just over 40,000 miles on these tires on my EV.
My gas, a 1975 Chevelle has 25,000 miles and had two change of tires on
it.
My 1966 sports car, a Manta Mirage has 57 miles on it with the original
tires jack up off the surface.
I used Tire and Vinyl protective. You got to get between all the threads
with a Q-tip.
In this country were there can be snow on the ground for 9 months out of
the year, may soften the contact pressure of the tires, making them wear
longer.
It now is getting to below 30 degrees F in the morning. Roland
> didn't get to them - all the tire guys tell me not to use your rubber
> beyond 7-10 years due to the effects of age, but if you have
> low-performance needs (no continuous high speeds, slolam driving or
> drag-type burning rubber), it probably doesn't create that much
> demands on the tires' integrity:
>
> My RAV4's current set have an 88K mi warrantee, and after >20Kmi,
> there is some surface checking, but it's mostly cosmetic - not bad for
> lax care and infrequent pressure corrections (>10psi over sidewall
> rating).
>
> The Ranger EV has 8Kmi on fairly new uniroyals that are labelled "high
> efficiency" - no signs of any wear, other than the right rear wheel
> that I consistantly fling over unseen curbs and keeps running 10-20psi
> lower than the other that run 15psi over rating). In both cars, if we
> whip around freeway onrampr and keep hearing squeeling, we check
> pressure, and usually find they're down to the vehicle's manufacturers
> recommended pressures (i.e. need another 10psi to get to our usual
> running pressures!)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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maybe this is easier than we think if you just want them off.
grease, ball bearings and a standard socket,and a magnet.
load up a row of nuts with ball bearings held in with grease
find a socket that locks on this and allows you to undo the nut
use a magnet to retireve the ball bearings for the next row.
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Micheal Perry said ...
I hear the next US
requirement will probably be warning signals for low air pressure. (For a
few SUV owners who wouldn't check their tires, we'll all pay more for new
cars?)...
Last time I was in a car dealer I was attacked by 3 sales men as I headed out
from the parts department empty handed. (They wanted $585 for the 4 parts that
guided the timing chain AND they didn't sell the chain, i would "have to get it
after market". This was for a mid 90's ford.) So bad timing on those poor sales
men.
I told them I would take one of those new ford mustangs right now if they could
get me the source code to the computer and cad drawings of the drivetrain. They
thought I was jokeing. I went home and ordered my zilla.
EV's offer me an alternative to the propriatary disease.
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that's...
that's...
absolutely brilliant, hehe
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From: "Jeff Shanab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: Removing BB600 odd nuts
maybe this is easier than we think if you just want them off.
grease, ball bearings and a standard socket,and a magnet.
load up a row of nuts with ball bearings held in with grease
find a socket that locks on this and allows you to undo the nut
use a magnet to retireve the ball bearings for the next row.
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The socket is 6 sided while the nut is 5 sided. I wonder if they would
lock together? Hmmm. Maybe I could machine a 5 sided socket.
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> maybe this is easier than we think if you just want them off.
>
> grease, ball bearings and a standard socket,and a magnet.
> load up a row of nuts with ball bearings held in with grease
> find a socket that locks on this and allows you to undo the nut
> use a magnet to retireve the ball bearings for the next row.
>
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that pin-socket from sears would lock onto it if you put bearings in the
holes, it doesn't care about how many sides it's gripping
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From: "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jeff Shanab" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Removing BB600 odd nuts
The socket is 6 sided while the nut is 5 sided. I wonder if they would
lock together? Hmmm. Maybe I could machine a 5 sided socket.
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
maybe this is easier than we think if you just want them off.
grease, ball bearings and a standard socket,and a magnet.
load up a row of nuts with ball bearings held in with grease
find a socket that locks on this and allows you to undo the nut
use a magnet to retireve the ball bearings for the next row.
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Let's applaud this couple rather than beat him. He has done what I would love
to happen. First he has gotten his wife into an EV in the first place! Yeah.
Second off it's his second EV!YEAH! Third off he is attempting to support EV
manufacturing in the US which is virtually non existent. And if your on this
list then you are probably for EV and this is a big win for those of us still
try to get into their first one.
Never mind the politics of no Federal support.
Never mind about the reduction in pollution.
And disregard the reduction in oil usage.
Just think of the Giant EV Grin he will have! Yippee!!!
Congratulations Ken and Heidi may you have many happy EV miles!
Tom Shay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Let's hope that your experience turns out
well with timely delivery of
the car and few or no serious hassles getting it financed, licensed,
insured,
serviced and repaired.
$200 per month won't cover payments on a $25000 car.
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From:
To: ;
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 2:43 PM
Subject: NmG dealership in Texas!
> Myers Motors has a new dealership in Austin Texas!
> As of Wednesday, August 23, 2006, Electric Vehicles of Austin acquired
> dealership of it's first highway electric vehicle, the NmG (formerly
> Sparrow).
>
> Their first NmG sale occurred on August 31 - to my wife, Heidi. :)
>
> Since the NmG became available, and since she didn't want to wait for me
> to
> finish converting our Fiero (and besides, after the Fiero is converted, we
> would still only have one EV) and after a test drive she fell in love with
> it, she
> had to have one! So now we will have two EVs. I added my approval after
> performing a burnout test. :)
>
> She ordered it in yellow and is working on art work to "pretty it up." It
> is
> a hard wait -- six to eight weeks delivery.
>
> After crunching some numbers, the $200+ she pumps into her current daily
> driver each month will make the payments on the NmG and the range should
> fit just
> fine.
>
> It's going to be a great year!!
>
> Ken
>
>
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> >Snip_a_Bit!
> > It's going to be a great year!!
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > Hi Ken;
EEEHA! A TWO EV family! That's great, now FINISH up the Fiero, too! Ya
gotta do Cruise Nights an' stuff in stereo!Go to the Auston EAA Klub
meetings with 2 ev's. I'm sure Heidi would go for that too. EV's arent just
a guy thing.
May the happy hum of traction motors go on forEVer!
Bob
>
>
>
>
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How about a mod to a bike freewheel or bottom bracket tool?
http://www.parktool.com/products/detail.asp?cat=4&item=FR%2D6
http://www.parktool.com/products/detail.asp?cat=25&item=SPA%2D6
Mike Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Eric,
These were just another surplus purchase for the guys in the BB600
yahoo group. I jumped in first. BB600's don't usually come in a pack
like this. They come as single cells. So I have a bonus with buss bars
and stainless milspec box, a cap tool, etc. There were 12 packs and I
got all 12. Started out as 21 packs, but the military swooped in a
took them even after I paid for all 21 units. Ah well.
Gents,
Thanks for the ideas. Something will work. Keep them coming!! It's a
shame these nuts can't be used as they are also nickel plated.
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eric Poulsen wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Where did you get the bb600's from? Are there more?
>
> -- Eric
>
>
>
> Mike Phillips wrote:
> > The BB600 packs I got are 19 to a box. The box is something special,
> > but the nuts that hold the buss bars in place are not one I've seen
> > before. Here is a link. Please tell me what that nut it is so I
can get
> > a socket for it.
> >
> > http://www.rotordesign.com/s10/nuts2.jpg
> >
> > These BB600 cells are also different in that the normal 10-32 screws
> > have been replaced with a 10-32 to 3/8" stud-standoff. You can see it
> > under the buss bar. Maybe for higher current. The buss bars and nuts
> > are covered with Cosmolene. So that's why they have a brown tint to
> > them.
> >
> > Tonight these cells on their first journey out took the USE truck 40
> > miles on 38ah at night, headlights and radio on, 66 degree ambient,
> > medium lead foot, 34-40mph in stop and go traffic with lots of stop
> > lights. Awesome first run! I think I can get 50 miles. So for a little
> > more weight the truck has well over doubled it's mileage on only 228
> > cells. There are 24 more going into the box, but they just arrived
> > today.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
>
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There are no coincidences. That officer needs an electric car. Lawrence
Rhodes......
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From: "John Wayland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Last Saturday's Oregonian 'Electric Drag Racer' Article
> Hello to All,
>
> Lawrence, glad you liked the read.
>
> From The Oregonian newspaper:
>
> >The officer drew her gun. She approached,
> >cautiously, as Wayland got the car to stop rolling. "What are you
> >doing?" she demanded, looking into the vacant engine compartment.
"Where's the motor?" "There isn't one," he remembers telling her. "It's
electric."
> >
> >
> >
> Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>
> >I've thought I've heard all your good stories but this one must be very
> >interesting.
> >
>
> It's best told by my wife, who had just closed her eyes to get a quick
> nap in while I was off into the night playing with my battery car. She
> was on the living room couch when the room was suddenly illuminated from
> the red and blue flashing lights of the patrol car. Looking out the
> window to see what the commotion was, there she saw her husband at the
> wrong end of the police officer's service revolver!
>
> There's actually a sequel to this first episode....perhaps 15 years
> later, on a hot summer's early evening, we had called the police to
> report a stolen vehicle that had been dumped in front of our house.
> Coincidentally, it was a Datsun, a little pickup with a strange
> body-sized 'something' wrapped up in a tarp lying in its bed. We had
> reported the vehicle several days earlier but there was little interest
> from the Portland police and the truck just sat there. It was only when
> I 'suggested' that there might be a body in the bed that they
> immediately responded. Care to guess who showed up? Yup, the same lady
> police officer that had pulled me over in my electric car 15 years before!
> She was talking with us and asking questions about how long the truck
> had been there, whether or not we'd looked under the tarp or not, etc.,
> when she stopped for a moment then said, "Wait a minute....I've been to
> this house before... I know you! You're that electric car guy!" She then
> quite vividly recalled that night so long ago and told us how she had
> told her fellow officers all about the car with no engine.
>
> The funniest part about all this, is that she isn't normally assigned to
> our precinct area, rather, she works Portland's west side. She told us
> how on that first night, she had been asked to step in to cover an
> officer's shift on the east side, and that since that night she had
> never been back working over here. Then on this particular evening 15
> long years later, she is back once again covering another officer's beat
> on the east side, and she ends up back at the electric car nut's place!
> All three of us got a good laugh about the coincidence. I looked at her
> as if I was talking to an old friend and said, "You drew your gun on
> me!" She snapped back, "Yes, I did, you refused to pull over and were
> acting weird...of course, I can see now that this is your normal state."
> Again, it was all in fun and we were all cracking up. She then surprised
> me with, "Do you still have that car?" I told her yes, plus another one
> and a few more electric things. A 45 minute long show and tell session
> followed and it was great fun. With a patrol car parked for such a long
> time and seeing the officer going inside my residence, I'm sure my
> neighbors all thought there was a major bust going on at the Waylands.
>
> See Ya....John Wayland
>
>
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Got it. Thanks!
- Will
Aptos, CA 95003
(831) 688-8669
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 2:12 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Electric Vehicle Discussion List;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; SFEVA
Subject: Free electric scooter in Santa Cruz.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/zip/202272252.html
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What was under the tarp?
Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
see the New Beetle EV project www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes
Sent: September 3, 2006 9:38 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: Last Saturday's Oregonian 'Electric Drag Racer' Article
There are no coincidences. That officer needs an electric car. Lawrence
Rhodes......
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Wayland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Last Saturday's Oregonian 'Electric Drag Racer' Article
> Hello to All,
>
> Lawrence, glad you liked the read.
>
> From The Oregonian newspaper:
>
> >The officer drew her gun. She approached,
> >cautiously, as Wayland got the car to stop rolling. "What are you
> >doing?" she demanded, looking into the vacant engine compartment.
"Where's the motor?" "There isn't one," he remembers telling her. "It's
electric."
> >
> >
> >
> Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>
> >I've thought I've heard all your good stories but this one must be very
> >interesting.
> >
>
> It's best told by my wife, who had just closed her eyes to get a quick
> nap in while I was off into the night playing with my battery car. She
> was on the living room couch when the room was suddenly illuminated from
> the red and blue flashing lights of the patrol car. Looking out the
> window to see what the commotion was, there she saw her husband at the
> wrong end of the police officer's service revolver!
>
> There's actually a sequel to this first episode....perhaps 15 years
> later, on a hot summer's early evening, we had called the police to
> report a stolen vehicle that had been dumped in front of our house.
> Coincidentally, it was a Datsun, a little pickup with a strange
> body-sized 'something' wrapped up in a tarp lying in its bed. We had
> reported the vehicle several days earlier but there was little interest
> from the Portland police and the truck just sat there. It was only when
> I 'suggested' that there might be a body in the bed that they
> immediately responded. Care to guess who showed up? Yup, the same lady
> police officer that had pulled me over in my electric car 15 years before!
> She was talking with us and asking questions about how long the truck
> had been there, whether or not we'd looked under the tarp or not, etc.,
> when she stopped for a moment then said, "Wait a minute....I've been to
> this house before... I know you! You're that electric car guy!" She then
> quite vividly recalled that night so long ago and told us how she had
> told her fellow officers all about the car with no engine.
>
> The funniest part about all this, is that she isn't normally assigned to
> our precinct area, rather, she works Portland's west side. She told us
> how on that first night, she had been asked to step in to cover an
> officer's shift on the east side, and that since that night she had
> never been back working over here. Then on this particular evening 15
> long years later, she is back once again covering another officer's beat
> on the east side, and she ends up back at the electric car nut's place!
> All three of us got a good laugh about the coincidence. I looked at her
> as if I was talking to an old friend and said, "You drew your gun on
> me!" She snapped back, "Yes, I did, you refused to pull over and were
> acting weird...of course, I can see now that this is your normal state."
> Again, it was all in fun and we were all cracking up. She then surprised
> me with, "Do you still have that car?" I told her yes, plus another one
> and a few more electric things. A 45 minute long show and tell session
> followed and it was great fun. With a patrol car parked for such a long
> time and seeing the officer going inside my residence, I'm sure my
> neighbors all thought there was a major bust going on at the Waylands.
>
> See Ya....John Wayland
>
>
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I see the problem you have. So here is my 2 cents. When I worked on Jails
and other secure institutions we would use a varity of secure head type
screws. We were always instructed to "really torque them down" when we were
installing the screws because the inmates would take their tooth brushes.
heat the end up with a heat soucre till it soft. Then press it into the
secure screw head to make their own tool.(what else do you do when you 24
hours a days to think of how to get out.) To add to this I know of some
Bronze works places that make broze items from molds. You could use a
molding putty to make a mold and take it to them for casting.
Ted
Olympia, WA
N47 02.743 W122 53.772
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From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 11:45 AM
Subject: Removing BB600 odd nuts
Here is a link to the socket I was talking about:
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?cat=Hand+Tools%2C+General+Purpose&pid=00947078000&vertical=TOOL&subcat=Sockets&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes
it's called a "Gator Grips universal socket" and costs $10
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Hi All,
I am writing a report on high voltage power lines for a engineering ethics
subject at uni. There seems to be large risks in developing blood cancer
when exposed to high voltage power lines, even for a short period of time.
What are people's thoughts on this issue and its relation to EV's. My
girlfriend complains of getting pulsating headache sensations whilst i
drive. I don't experience anything at all.
Cheers
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My thoughts:
1) EV's voltage isn't high enough even if the claimed link to blood cancer is
true.
2) About your girlfriend's headaches - it's your driving, not your batteries!.
"Ev Performance (Robert Chew)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi All,
I am writing a report on high voltage power lines for a engineering ethics
subject at uni. There seems to be large risks in developing blood cancer
when exposed to high voltage power lines, even for a short period of time.
What are people's thoughts on this issue and its relation to EV's. My
girlfriend complains of getting pulsating headache sensations whilst i
drive. I don't experience anything at all.
Cheers
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http://www.bikez.com/brand/kawasaki_motorcycles.php I found this site with
specifications of various Kawasaki motorcycles. I'm sure If I looked harder
I'd find stats for other bikes. I found a VN 750 Valcan from 1987 for 100
bucks. Looked it up on the above table. It doesn't really look any
different from the new models. It's a rolling glider with shaft drive.
It's not complete but the bummer is it has a 15 inch wheel with a 3 & 2/3's
to one ratio. I'm thinking it would need a very big motor/controller combo
to make it work. The orginal bike was over 500 pounds in weight. I was
going to put 380 pounds of batteries and an L91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] to climb hills
and be functional. Is this realistic or is that gear ratio just not going
to work? My A89 with 4.5 to 1 was acceptable at 48v. What am I getting
into here? I have a lot of options. (another bike?) 120v controller, 120vdc
of BB600's (380 pounds)or 26ah Hawkers(180 pounds) I'm not sure the Hawkers
will even give me 25miles of range. The BB's will give me at least 35 maybe
40. Any comments? Thanks Lawrence Rhodes....
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At 06:41 AM 4/09/06 +1000, Robert Chew wrote:
Hi All,
I am writing a report on high voltage power lines for a engineering ethics
subject at uni. There seems to be large risks in developing blood cancer
when exposed to high voltage power lines, even for a short period of time.
What are people's thoughts on this issue and its relation to EV's. My
girlfriend complains of getting pulsating headache sensations whilst i
drive. I don't experience anything at all.
G'day Robert
"Large risk"? Show me the data. Slightly increased risk of various cancers
from living under power lines for an extended time is the concusion of
studies that I've seen. Line workers are not even rumoured, let alone
reported, to be dropping like flies.
As to your EV, your girlfriend is likely to be a) getting motion sickness,
b) hearing (high-pitched) controller whine, c) reacting to a smell in the
car d) a combination of the above or e) suffering a form of "21st century
syndrome" that would make it unbearable for her to be near all kinds of
electronics and electrical items. Of course, she may have had a headache
from another reason the first time she rode in your EV, and convinced
herself that the EV was the cause, so psychologically makes herself have a
headache each time she rides in it.
At Comalco aluminium smelter here there is 96,000 DC amps running down the
pot lines, no-one gets reported getting headaches from the field that is
strong enough to wipe credit cards, damage watches, etc. The magnetic field
strength decreases as you go away from the pot lines, but there is no
distance that is even rumoured to be an issue. My brother has worked there
nearly 20 years, I've visited their plant on numerous occasions to work
with their people. No rumours, at all, other than a persistent "people
who've worked on the pot lines for 20 years+ seem to die of cancer". But
that could just as easily be from all the fumes, etc that they used to put
up with 20 to 30 years ago, which have now been cleaned up.
I very much doubt that your girlfriend is getting headaches from your EV
for reasons to do with the electrical system. Seek another reason.
Hope this helps
Regards
[Technik] James
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Is any of this stuff going to be a reality, or is it just the same old story?
http://electricperformance.com/forum/index.php?topic=11
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AC produces EM fields, most EVs are DC which, I don't think, produces EM
I think you have to have an osilating current (AC) to get an EM field
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ev Performance (Robert Chew)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 3:41 PM
Subject: EM Radiation health hazard
Hi All,
I am writing a report on high voltage power lines for a engineering ethics
subject at uni. There seems to be large risks in developing blood cancer
when exposed to high voltage power lines, even for a short period of time.
What are people's thoughts on this issue and its relation to EV's. My
girlfriend complains of getting pulsating headache sensations whilst i
drive. I don't experience anything at all.
Cheers
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Jim Coate rearranged random electrons to form the words:
> Your 250 whrs/mile is near the top end of what I'd expect.
> So while not a ridiculous number, it might be worth checking
> wheel alignment, dragging brakes, etc.
Thank you - will look into this. Did I misunderstand the previous post that
suggested I had a light foot?
I take it Solectria's were pro-converted Geo Metros?
> Generically speaking would expect a Force range of 30 or 40 miles,
> depending of course on pack age and driving conditions, so your 36 miles
> could make sense.
I'm concerned about how far I can push this pack. It has occurred to me it's
probably not safe to go by Amp or Watt hrs used, as that does not take the
starting condition of the pack into account.
Should I be looking at the voltage rather than measures of work to determine
DoD? If so, what's the best way to do this - sitting still or under load,
and if the latter what *kind* of load?
FWIW, I've been charging up to an emeter reading of 148-150V. When I turn
off the charger, the reading is about 130V give or take a couple volts.
After our longest days driving (low 20s miles so far), the resting pack
voltage has been ~122V (although accelerating say, up a hill it has briefly
been <100V). Can someone give a newbie a voltage-sag explanation, what to
expect and what to beware of?
Can someone explain to me how I can determine where my DoD lies on a 120V
pack of AGMs? I really want to treat them right!
Thanks a bunch!
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I was wrong. These batterys don't have 10-32 hardware. They only have
3/8 hardware.
http://www.rotordesign.com/s10/bb600socket/P9030378.JPG
Here is the socket I machined for removing the nuts. Trying it on a
couple dozen nuts seems to work ok. It dings the 5 holes a little.
http://www.rotordesign.com/s10/bb600socket/P9030377.JPG
Mike
Here's to the crazy ones.
The misfits.
The rebels.
The troublemakers.
The round pegs in the square holes.
The ones who see things differently
The ones that change the world!!
www.RotorDesign.com
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Are these cells made by SAFT ?
My BB600 cells are white on top with RED plastic molded in to identify
the positive terminal. Also the tops of my terminals are not covered in
plastic. I do like the adapter studs and the interconnects though.
Mike G.
I could I guess. I'm hoping to find the right tool. I could mill a
socket with 5 legs on it I suppose.
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mark McCurdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
could you weld a couple of ball bearings into an oversized socket
for those
nuts?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EVDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:03 AM
Subject: BB600 odd nuts + 40 miles on first run!
> The BB600 packs I got are 19 to a box. The box is something special,
> but the nuts that hold the buss bars in place are not one I've seen
> before. Here is a link. Please tell me what that nut it is so I
can get
> a socket for it.
>
> http://www.rotordesign.com/s10/nuts2.jpg
>
> These BB600 cells are also different in that the normal 10-32 screws
> have been replaced with a 10-32 to 3/8" stud-standoff. You can see it
> under the buss bar. Maybe for higher current. The buss bars and nuts
> are covered with Cosmolene. So that's why they have a brown tint to
> them.
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I studied this subject at length in the early 1990s and came up
with more questions than answers.
If you believe that there are large risks
of blood cancer and your girlfriend gets pulsating headaches keep her
and youself away from electric cars and other sources of EM
radiation. I prefer to save my worrying for real, proven threats like
heart disease and enjoy the many electrical and electronic things that
enrich my life.
Are we off topic yet?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ev Performance (Robert Chew)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: EM Radiation health hazard
Hi All,
I am writing a report on high voltage power lines for a engineering ethics
subject at uni. There seems to be large risks in developing blood cancer
when exposed to high voltage power lines, even for a short period of time.
What are people's thoughts on this issue and its relation to EV's. My
girlfriend complains of getting pulsating headache sensations whilst i
drive. I don't experience anything at all.
Cheers
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I haven't seen the nuts, so please forgive me if this is innapropriate, but
what about vise grips/channel locks/pipe wrench?
David C. Wilker Jr.
United States Air Force, Retired
"The nation which forgets its defenders will be itself forgotten."
~Calvin Coolidge~
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Shanab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: Removing BB600 odd nuts
maybe this is easier than we think if you just want them off.
grease, ball bearings and a standard socket,and a magnet.
load up a row of nuts with ball bearings held in with grease
find a socket that locks on this and allows you to undo the nut
use a magnet to retireve the ball bearings for the next row.
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