EV Digest 6132
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: [BULK] Re: Dual outlet opportunity charging;-30F
by "Lawrence Lile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Tesla Motors Honored with Award from Pop Mechanics
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Firefly Energy joining EDTA :: details
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Tesla Motors Honored with Award from Pop Mechanics
by Tehben Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Optima & Orbital Dimensions
by Ben Apollonio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Water heaters
by canev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Tesla Motors Honored with Award from Pop Mechanics
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
8) Re: watthour meter AC side
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Water heaters
by "Phil Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Tesla Motors Honored with Award from Pop Mechanics
by Tehben Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Firefly Energy joining EDTA :: details
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: subscribe ev Ben Apollonio
by Ben Apollonio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: subscribe ev Ben Apollonio
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Firefly Energy joining EDTA :: details
by "Stefan T. Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Tesla Motors Honored with Award from Pop Mechanics
by "Phil Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: watthour meter AC side
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> It seems if you had the plates, you
could wire your own.
What type of material are the plates made from?
The plates are made from a special "type E" steel, however mild steel
works almost as well. The plates are thin to limit hysteresis losses,
however thick plates work almost as well. The transformer is would with
tightly compacted wires, however loosely compacted ones made by clamping
the whole mess into a homemade spinning jig works almost as well. What
you end up with is a transformer that doesn't work very well, but is
relatively cheap, and gobbled up a couple of weekends to fabricate.
Your best bet is to look for a transformer at Burden's Surplus in
Lincoln, NE. I've bought several there for a song.
--Lawrence LIle
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5. Tesla Motors Honored with Award from Pop Mechanics
Posted by: "Remy Chevalier" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cleannewworld
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:16 pm ((PST))
TESLA MOTORS RECEIVES PRESTIGIOUS
'BREAKTHROUGH AWARD' FROM POPULAR MECHANICS
Magazine Honors Silicon Valley Manufacturer of Performance
Electric Vehicles
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Dan Smith, PCGCampbell (310) 224-4954 or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
NEW YORK (October 5, 2006) - Tesla Motors, manufacturers of
performance electric cars, was named a recipient of a 2006 Popular Mechanics
Breakthrough Award for its work in developing the Tesla Roadster, the
world's first all-electric production sports car. The magazine's editors
presented the 2006 winners their awards Wednesday evening at the
publication's new home, the Hearst Tower in New York City.
Popular Mechanics salutes 10 advancements each year--and their
innovators--that promise to shape the future by improving lives and
expanding possibilities in the realms of science, technology and
exploration. 2006 is the second year the publication has presented its
Breakthrough Awards.
The Tesla Roadster is the first automobile to receive a
Breakthrough Award.
"The Breakthrough Awards distinguish those ideas and inventions
that are changing the face of technology, and the Tesla Roadster is leading
an automotive revolution," said James Meigs, editor-in-chief of Popular
Mechanics. "Martin Eberhard and his team at Tesla Motors have developed a
car with something for everyone-speed, great handling, good looks and zero
emissions."
"We're pleased to receive the Breakthrough Award," said
Eberhard, CEO and co-founder of Tesla Motors. "We wanted to make a car that
was fun to drive and environmentally responsible. Our key breakthrough is
the concept of using Lithium-ion batteries which have long been used in
laptops, cell phones, cameras, and power tools. Due to the number of cells
that are used in a car we had to develop some unique technology for managing
the temperature, charge balance and safety of the Tesla battery pack."
Tesla Motors, based in San Carlos, Calif., in the heart of
Silicon Valley, is in the process of bringing the all-electric Tesla
Roadster sports car to market. It is capable of going from zero to 60 mph in
around four seconds, has a top speed of better than 130 mph, and can travel
up to 250 miles on a single charge. The car's power comes from its
Lithium-ion Energy Storage System, or battery pack, which can be recharged
in about 3.5 hours. First deliveries are expected to begin next summer.
A complete report of the Popular Mechanics Breakthrough Awards
will be published in their November 2006 issue (on newsstands October 10,
2006). High-resolution images of the winners will be available upon request
and at www.popularmechanics.com.
Past Winners include Hugh Herr for his advances in
rehabilitative prosthetics, father and daughter duo Tim and Sarah Pickens
for their rocket-powered bicycle, and the Microsoft Xbox 360.
About Tesla Motors
Tesla Motors was founded in July 2003 by Martin Eberhard and
Marc Tarpenning to create efficient electric cars for people who love to
drive. The Chairman of Tesla Motors, a privately held company, is Elon Musk,
who has led or co-led all three rounds of investment resulting in $60
million in funding. Musk has been instrumental in both corporate and product
development at Tesla Motors.
Tesla Motors currently employs more than 80 people, including
teams in California, the U.K. and Taiwan. The company has recruited
employees whose background and experience mirror the vehicle itself, drawing
from diverse expertise in the electronics, automotive and software
industries.
Tesla Motors creates vehicles that conform to all U.S. safety,
environmental and durability standards. The cars include modern safety
equipment such as airbags, front crumple zones, side impact protection and
2½ mph bumpers. Tesla Motors will only sell cars in the U.S. once they pass
the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS).
For more information, visit www.teslamotors.com.
About Popular Mechanics
Popular Mechanics is published by Hearst Magazines, a unit of
Hearst Corporation (www.hearst.com) and one of the world's largest
publishers of monthly magazines, with a total of 18 U.S. titles and 145
international editions. Hearst reaches more adults than any other publisher
of monthly magazines (76.3 million according to MRI, spring 2005). The
company also publishes 19 magazines in the United Kingdom through its wholly
owned subsidiary, The National Magazine Company Limited.
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Dan Smith
PCGCampbell . 2340 Plaza Del Amo, Suite 130 . Torrance, CA 90501
(310) 224-4954 office
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Firefly Energy joining EDTA :: details
Posted by: "Remy Chevalier" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cleannewworld
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:07 pm ((PST))
Firefly Energy joining the Electric Drive Transportation Association (EDTA).
In case you haven't heard of Firefly, the company is a spin-off of
Caterpillar, Inc., out of Peoria, IL, and has developed a new
carbon-graphite foam lead acid battery technology.
This is the first advancement in lead-acid batteries, a technology that's
remained relatively unchanged since before the Civil War. Changes made by
Firefly have lead-acid batteries a viable technology for future hybrid
electric vehicles. The Firefly Energy battery has some key advantages
compared to lead acid batteries currently on the market. The Firefly
battery:
1) uses 80 percent less lead and thus is one quarter of the weight
2) has a recharge rate that is seven times faster
3) is more resistant to corrosion
4) has double the life expectancy
5) is safer for the environment when discarded at the end of its life cycle
And, the Firefly battery stands out compared to the other popular
alternatives of nickel metal hydride (NiMH) and lithium, as it is one-tenth
the cost for manufacturers compared to NiMH and is much safer than unstable
lithium technology.
If you are interested in setting up a time to speak with Firefly Energy
co-founders Mil Ovan and/or Ed Williams, feel free to contact me anytime and
I will be happy to arrange an interview.
Thank you for your time and consideration,
Dan Green
Media Relations Manager
Tech Image, Ltd. - for Firefly Energy
Office: 847-279-0022, ext. 239
Mobile: 847-910-2731
dan.green@ techimage.com
www.fireflyenergy.com
Firefly Energy, Inc. Joins the Electric Drive Transportation Association
October 31, 2006-Washington, DC-Firefly Energy, Inc., an Illinois-based
company which has developed a next-generation lead acid battery technology,
has joined the Electric Drive Transportation Association (EDTA), a
Washington, DC -based trade association that represents battery, hybrid and
fuel cell electric drive technologies.
"Advanced batteries technologies are a critical piece of the future of
electric drive transportation," says EDTA President Brian Wynne. "Firefly's
carbon-graphite foam lead acid battery brings a unique technology to the $30
billion worldwide battery marketplace."
"Our battery technology delivers a performance associated with advanced
battery chemistries, while reducing weight and increasing range and life,"
says Mil Ovan, Senior Vice President and co-founder of Firefly. "Membership
in EDTA gives us the opportunity to reach new customers and partners, and to
work with the government to advance electric drive transportation policies
in Washington." Firefly's membership in EDTA comes on the heels of the
company's announcement that it had been tabbed for an appropriation of $3.25
million in the Fiscal Year 2007 U.S. Defense Bill. Mr. Ovan will be
speaking at the November 26-29th ETDA conference on "Defending our Future:
Preparedness and National Security".
About EDTA:
EDTA is the preeminent U.S. industry association dedicated to the promotion
of electric drive as the best means to achieve a secure and sustainable
transportation sector. As a unified voice for the electric drive industry,
EDTA's membership includes a diverse representation of vehicle and equipment
manufacturers, energy providers, component suppliers and end users. EDTA
supports the commercialization of all electric drive transportation
technologies through public policy advocacy, research and education,
industry networking, and international conferences and exhibitions. For more
information on EDTA, visit www.electricdrive.org
About Firefly Energy, Inc.:
Firefly Energy (www.fireflyenergy.com) is a Peoria, Illinois-based company
which has developed a next generation lead acid battery technology that has
the opportunity to address major portions of the $30 billion worldwide
battery marketplace. Firefly's carbon-graphite foam-based battery technology
can deliver a unique combination of high performance, extremely low weight
and low cost, all in a battery which utilizes the best aspects of lead acid
chemistry while overcoming the corrosive drawbacks of this same chemistry.
This product technology delivers to battery markets a performance associated
with advanced battery chemistries (Nickel Metal Hydride and Lithium), but
for one-fifth the cost, and can be both manufactured as well as recycled
within the existing lead acid battery industry's vast infrastructure. The
company was formed after its technology, technical founder, and initial seed
funds were spun out of Caterpillar, Inc. (www.cat.com), a Fortune 90
company, in May 2003, and is headed by co-founders Edward Williams (CEO),
Mil Ovan (Senior VP), and Kurtis Kelley (Chief Technology Officer).
Investors include Caterpillar (www.cat.com) (NYSE: CAT), BAE Systems
(www.baesystems.com) (London Stock Exchange over the counter symbol: BAESY),
Chicago-area Venture Capital firm KB Partners (www.kbpartners.com), the
State of Illinois' Illinois Finance Authority, and Husqvarna
(www.husqvarna.com). (Other OTC: HSQVY.PK). In 2006, Firefly was named
winner of both the Frost & Sullivan Technology Innovation Award and Frost's
Energy Storage Entrepreneurial Storage Company of the Year Award.
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I want one :)
Wonder what they are selling for?
Way, way, beyond my means I am sure.
-Tehben
On Nov 14, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
5. Tesla Motors Honored with Award from Pop Mechanics
Posted by: "Remy Chevalier" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cleannewworld
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:16 pm ((PST))
TESLA MOTORS RECEIVES PRESTIGIOUS
'BREAKTHROUGH AWARD' FROM POPULAR MECHANICS
Magazine Honors Silicon Valley Manufacturer of Performance
Electric Vehicles
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Dan Smith, PCGCampbell (310) 224-4954 or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
NEW YORK (October 5, 2006) - Tesla Motors,
manufacturers of
performance electric cars, was named a recipient of a 2006 Popular
Mechanics
Breakthrough Award for its work in developing the Tesla Roadster, the
world's first all-electric production sports car. The magazine's
editors
presented the 2006 winners their awards Wednesday evening at the
publication's new home, the Hearst Tower in New York City.
Popular Mechanics salutes 10 advancements each year--
and their
innovators--that promise to shape the future by improving lives and
expanding possibilities in the realms of science, technology and
exploration. 2006 is the second year the publication has presented its
Breakthrough Awards.
The Tesla Roadster is the first automobile to receive a
Breakthrough Award.
"The Breakthrough Awards distinguish those ideas and
inventions
that are changing the face of technology, and the Tesla Roadster is
leading
an automotive revolution," said James Meigs, editor-in-chief of
Popular
Mechanics. "Martin Eberhard and his team at Tesla Motors have
developed a
car with something for everyone-speed, great handling, good looks
and zero
emissions."
"We're pleased to receive the Breakthrough Award," said
Eberhard, CEO and co-founder of Tesla Motors. "We wanted to make a
car that
was fun to drive and environmentally responsible. Our key
breakthrough is
the concept of using Lithium-ion batteries which have long been
used in
laptops, cell phones, cameras, and power tools. Due to the number
of cells
that are used in a car we had to develop some unique technology for
managing
the temperature, charge balance and safety of the Tesla battery pack."
Tesla Motors, based in San Carlos, Calif., in the heart of
Silicon Valley, is in the process of bringing the all-electric Tesla
Roadster sports car to market. It is capable of going from zero to
60 mph in
around four seconds, has a top speed of better than 130 mph, and
can travel
up to 250 miles on a single charge. The car's power comes from its
Lithium-ion Energy Storage System, or battery pack, which can be
recharged
in about 3.5 hours. First deliveries are expected to begin next
summer.
A complete report of the Popular Mechanics Breakthrough
Awards
will be published in their November 2006 issue (on newsstands
October 10,
2006). High-resolution images of the winners will be available upon
request
and at www.popularmechanics.com.
Past Winners include Hugh Herr for his advances in
rehabilitative prosthetics, father and daughter duo Tim and Sarah
Pickens
for their rocket-powered bicycle, and the Microsoft Xbox 360.
About Tesla Motors
Tesla Motors was founded in July 2003 by Martin
Eberhard and
Marc Tarpenning to create efficient electric cars for people who
love to
drive. The Chairman of Tesla Motors, a privately held company, is
Elon Musk,
who has led or co-led all three rounds of investment resulting in $60
million in funding. Musk has been instrumental in both corporate
and product
development at Tesla Motors.
Tesla Motors currently employs more than 80 people,
including
teams in California, the U.K. and Taiwan. The company has recruited
employees whose background and experience mirror the vehicle
itself, drawing
from diverse expertise in the electronics, automotive and software
industries.
Tesla Motors creates vehicles that conform to all U.S.
safety,
environmental and durability standards. The cars include modern safety
equipment such as airbags, front crumple zones, side impact
protection and
2½ mph bumpers. Tesla Motors will only sell cars in the U.S. once
they pass
the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS).
For more information, visit www.teslamotors.com.
About Popular Mechanics
Popular Mechanics is published by Hearst Magazines, a
unit of
Hearst Corporation (www.hearst.com) and one of the world's largest
publishers of monthly magazines, with a total of 18 U.S. titles and
145
international editions. Hearst reaches more adults than any other
publisher
of monthly magazines (76.3 million according to MRI, spring 2005). The
company also publishes 19 magazines in the United Kingdom through
its wholly
owned subsidiary, The National Magazine Company Limited.
###
Dan Smith
PCGCampbell . 2340 Plaza Del Amo, Suite 130 . Torrance,
CA 90501
(310) 224-4954 office
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Hi all!
I'm re-joining the list after a couple years of inactivity (thanks,
college!) and with a new email address. I'm now living in Worcester,
MA and my car is living in Berlin, MA, where I've been able to make
progress once again.
One question that still nags me is how big to make battery boxes. I'm
trying to cram 16 Optima YT's or Orbitals into a Porsche 914 with a
T-Rex 1000 and a 9" ADC FB-4001. I've seen the pictures of how Otmar
built boxes with an 8" ADC, but my fit is a little tighter, so I want
to be sure I get it right. Could someone with an Optima and/or Orbital
dig out their ruler and calipers and take some measurements for me? To
simplify discussion, I've labeled the dimensions I need at
http://bapollo.com/battery.jpg
Also, last time I was reading the list, Orbitals were a pretty new
thing. Their cost advantage is highly tempting. What has peoples'
experience been with regard to range and durability in comparison to
the Optima?
Thanks!
-Ben Apollonio
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Have you had this experience?
We have now sold over 800 of those ceramic heaters and never heard of
anyone having a problem? Apparently I'm always the last the hear.
I had a fleet customer with a Nissan pick up a few years (12 years) ago
that had a defective heater relay and was welded closed for a few months
in the summer before the customer noticed the extra warm air coming out
of the vents even with the "heat" switch turned off.
It had done no damage to any of the duct or the element and that truck
is still in his fleet with the same heater.
The old Nicrom wire heaters (hair dryers) would just get hotter and
hotter with no air flow until something burned up but the ceramic's will
heat up to a certain temp and then start to reduce current draw if there
is no airflow.
I just went out and checked on my Neon.
It draws about 17 amps at 144 volts. As soon as you turn the fan off the
current drops to about 5 amps in the first minute and down to about 2.5
amps in the second minute.
With about 350 watts of heat you should not be causing anything to catch
fire?
The elements are mounted in a plastic frame that should isolate the
heater from the plastic duct work.
Let me know how may of you have melted ducts or burned up cars for our
heaters.
We now have a slim housing that is only 1 3/8" thick so it should fit
easier into some tight heater box's.
BFN
Randy
Hot enough to melt plastic air ducts and start fires!
Joseph H. Strubhar
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
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From: "Storm Connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:23 AM
Subject: Re: Water heaters
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You don't have to wonder. Visit their website: www.teslamotors.com.
All the info is there.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: Tesla Motors Honored with Award from Pop Mechanics
I want one :)
Wonder what they are selling for?
Way, way, beyond my means I am sure.
-Tehben
On Nov 14, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> 5. Tesla Motors Honored with Award from Pop Mechanics
> Posted by: "Remy Chevalier" [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cleannewworld
> Date: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:16 pm ((PST))
>
> TESLA MOTORS RECEIVES PRESTIGIOUS
>
> 'BREAKTHROUGH AWARD' FROM POPULAR MECHANICS
>
> Magazine Honors Silicon Valley Manufacturer of Performance
> Electric Vehicles
>
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
> Contact: Dan Smith, PCGCampbell (310) 224-4954 or
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> NEW YORK (October 5, 2006) - Tesla Motors, > manufacturers of
> performance electric cars, was named a recipient of a 2006 Popular >
> Mechanics
> Breakthrough Award for its work in developing the Tesla Roadster, the
> world's first all-electric production sports car. The magazine's > editors
> presented the 2006 winners their awards Wednesday evening at the
> publication's new home, the Hearst Tower in New York City.
>
> Popular Mechanics salutes 10 advancements each year--> and their
> innovators--that promise to shape the future by improving lives and
> expanding possibilities in the realms of science, technology and
> exploration. 2006 is the second year the publication has presented its
> Breakthrough Awards.
>
> The Tesla Roadster is the first automobile to receive a
> Breakthrough Award.
>
> "The Breakthrough Awards distinguish those ideas and > inventions
> that are changing the face of technology, and the Tesla Roadster is > leading
> an automotive revolution," said James Meigs, editor-in-chief of > Popular
> Mechanics. "Martin Eberhard and his team at Tesla Motors have > developed a
> car with something for everyone-speed, great handling, good looks > and zero
> emissions."
>
> "We're pleased to receive the Breakthrough Award," said
> Eberhard, CEO and co-founder of Tesla Motors. "We wanted to make a > car that
> was fun to drive and environmentally responsible. Our key > breakthrough is
> the concept of using Lithium-ion batteries which have long been > used in
> laptops, cell phones, cameras, and power tools. Due to the number > of cells
> that are used in a car we had to develop some unique technology for >
> managing
> the temperature, charge balance and safety of the Tesla battery pack."
>
> Tesla Motors, based in San Carlos, Calif., in the heart of
> Silicon Valley, is in the process of bringing the all-electric Tesla
> Roadster sports car to market. It is capable of going from zero to > 60 mph
> in
> around four seconds, has a top speed of better than 130 mph, and > can travel
> up to 250 miles on a single charge. The car's power comes from its
> Lithium-ion Energy Storage System, or battery pack, which can be > recharged
> in about 3.5 hours. First deliveries are expected to begin next > summer.
>
> A complete report of the Popular Mechanics Breakthrough > Awards
> will be published in their November 2006 issue (on newsstands > October 10,
> 2006). High-resolution images of the winners will be available upon > request
> and at www.popularmechanics.com.
>
> Past Winners include Hugh Herr for his advances in
> rehabilitative prosthetics, father and daughter duo Tim and Sarah > Pickens
> for their rocket-powered bicycle, and the Microsoft Xbox 360.
>
> About Tesla Motors
>
> Tesla Motors was founded in July 2003 by Martin > Eberhard and
> Marc Tarpenning to create efficient electric cars for people who > love to
> drive. The Chairman of Tesla Motors, a privately held company, is > Elon
> Musk,
> who has led or co-led all three rounds of investment resulting in $60
> million in funding. Musk has been instrumental in both corporate > and
> product
> development at Tesla Motors.
>
> Tesla Motors currently employs more than 80 people, > including
> teams in California, the U.K. and Taiwan. The company has recruited
> employees whose background and experience mirror the vehicle > itself,
> drawing
> from diverse expertise in the electronics, automotive and software
> industries.
>
> Tesla Motors creates vehicles that conform to all U.S. > safety,
> environmental and durability standards. The cars include modern safety
> equipment such as airbags, front crumple zones, side impact > protection and
> 2½ mph bumpers. Tesla Motors will only sell cars in the U.S. once > they pass
> the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS).
>
> For more information, visit www.teslamotors.com.
>
> About Popular Mechanics
>
> Popular Mechanics is published by Hearst Magazines, a > unit of
> Hearst Corporation (www.hearst.com) and one of the world's largest
> publishers of monthly magazines, with a total of 18 U.S. titles and > 145
> international editions. Hearst reaches more adults than any other > publisher
> of monthly magazines (76.3 million according to MRI, spring 2005). The
> company also publishes 19 magazines in the United Kingdom through > its
> wholly
> owned subsidiary, The National Magazine Company Limited.
>
> ###
>
> Dan Smith
>
> PCGCampbell . 2340 Plaza Del Amo, Suite 130 . Torrance, > CA 90501
>
> (310) 224-4954 office
>
>
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For any type of meter you can dream up,
www.surplussales.com<http://www.surplussales.com/> has it. AC and DC in panel
mounted by companies like GE, Simpson, Weston, Collins, A&M, Triplett and a
jillion more. The largest watt meter they have is a 0-5000 Watts that is 3-1/2
inch in diameter for about $45.00.
I do not used a watt meter on the AC. My battery charger control panel which
is a separate unit, has a AC volt meter and amp meter. Also a DC volt meter
and amp meter for the main battery pack. There is also a 12-15 VDC volt meter
and amp meter for the 12 volt accessory unit.
Lets say I am charging at 50 amps at 225 volts DC, then 50 x 225 = 11.25 kw DC
input. On the AC side it reads 47 amps at 240 volts AC, then 47 x 240 = 11.2 kw
AC.
Roland
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From: mike golub<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: watthour meter AC side
What do use to measure watts when dealing with more
than 15amps.
The killowatt, and wattsup, don't go that high.
Perhaps I could beef one up?
--- Robert Lemke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> Here you go, less than $40
>
> http://nationalsolarsupply.com/<http://nationalsolarsupply.com/>
>
> Bob
>
> John Luck Home <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> I remember seeing a thread on this subject a while
> ago. In the UK we have
>
http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?TabID=1&criteria=watt%20hour%20meter&ModuleNo=38343&doy=5m6<http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?TabID=1&criteria=watt%20hour%20meter&ModuleNo=38343&doy=5m6>
> but I think there is a USA version too - made in
> China of course.
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 6:46 PM
> Subject: watthour meter AC side
>
>
> > Does anyone recomend an AC side WattHour Meter?
> >
> > I am specifically looking for something that I can
> mount on the car so I
> > can accurately track input power wherever I
> charge.
> >
> > There must be something panel mount, but no
> catalogs nor websites turn
> > anything up.
> >
> > Thanks for any leads.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
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From: canev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Water heaters
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:57:10 -0800
Have you had this experience?
We have now sold over 800 of those ceramic heaters and never heard of
anyone having a problem? Apparently I'm always the last the hear.
I had a fleet customer with a Nissan pick up a few years (12 years) ago
that had a defective heater relay and was welded closed for a few months in
the summer before the customer noticed the extra warm air coming out of the
vents even with the "heat" switch turned off.
It had done no damage to any of the duct or the element and that truck is
still in his fleet with the same heater.
The old Nicrom wire heaters (hair dryers) would just get hotter and hotter
with no air flow until something burned up but the ceramic's will heat up
to a certain temp and then start to reduce current draw if there is no
airflow.
I just went out and checked on my Neon.
It draws about 17 amps at 144 volts. As soon as you turn the fan off the
current drops to about 5 amps in the first minute and down to about 2.5
amps in the second minute.
With about 350 watts of heat you should not be causing anything to catch
fire?
350 watts is more than enough to melt or burn things if there is no external
airflow to take away the heat. Have you tried leaving the heater on (with
no air flow) for an hour? Any damage or fire then?
Let us know what happens.
Phil
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They didn't seem to have a price??
Someone said $100,000.00
On Nov 14, 2006, at 2:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You don't have to wonder. Visit their website: www.teslamotors.com.
All the info is there.
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Subject: Re: Tesla Motors Honored with Award from Pop Mechanics
I want one :)
Wonder what they are selling for?
Way, way, beyond my means I am sure.
-Tehben
On Nov 14, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
5. Tesla Motors Honored with Award from Pop Mechanics
Posted by: "Remy Chevalier" [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
cleannewworld
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:16 pm ((PST))
TESLA MOTORS RECEIVES PRESTIGIOUS
'BREAKTHROUGH AWARD' FROM POPULAR MECHANICS
Magazine Honors Silicon Valley Manufacturer of Performance
Electric Vehicles
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Dan Smith, PCGCampbell (310) 224-4954 or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
NEW YORK (October 5, 2006) - Tesla Motors, > manufacturers of
performance electric cars, was named a recipient of a 2006 Popular
> Mechanics
Breakthrough Award for its work in developing the Tesla Roadster, the
world's first all-electric production sports car. The magazine's >
editors
presented the 2006 winners their awards Wednesday evening at the
publication's new home, the Hearst Tower in New York City.
Popular Mechanics salutes 10 advancements each year--> and their
innovators--that promise to shape the future by improving lives and
expanding possibilities in the realms of science, technology and
exploration. 2006 is the second year the publication has presented
its
Breakthrough Awards.
The Tesla Roadster is the first automobile to receive a
Breakthrough Award.
"The Breakthrough Awards distinguish those ideas and > inventions
that are changing the face of technology, and the Tesla Roadster
is > leading
an automotive revolution," said James Meigs, editor-in-chief of >
Popular
Mechanics. "Martin Eberhard and his team at Tesla Motors have >
developed a
car with something for everyone-speed, great handling, good looks
> and zero
emissions."
"We're pleased to receive the Breakthrough Award," said
Eberhard, CEO and co-founder of Tesla Motors. "We wanted to make a
> car that
was fun to drive and environmentally responsible. Our key >
breakthrough is
the concept of using Lithium-ion batteries which have long been >
used in
laptops, cell phones, cameras, and power tools. Due to the number
> of cells
that are used in a car we had to develop some unique technology
for > managing
the temperature, charge balance and safety of the Tesla battery
pack."
Tesla Motors, based in San Carlos, Calif., in the heart of
Silicon Valley, is in the process of bringing the all-electric Tesla
Roadster sports car to market. It is capable of going from zero to
> 60 mph in
around four seconds, has a top speed of better than 130 mph, and >
can travel
up to 250 miles on a single charge. The car's power comes from its
Lithium-ion Energy Storage System, or battery pack, which can be >
recharged
in about 3.5 hours. First deliveries are expected to begin next >
summer.
A complete report of the Popular Mechanics Breakthrough > Awards
will be published in their November 2006 issue (on newsstands >
October 10,
2006). High-resolution images of the winners will be available
upon > request
and at www.popularmechanics.com.
Past Winners include Hugh Herr for his advances in
rehabilitative prosthetics, father and daughter duo Tim and Sarah
> Pickens
for their rocket-powered bicycle, and the Microsoft Xbox 360.
About Tesla Motors
Tesla Motors was founded in July 2003 by Martin > Eberhard and
Marc Tarpenning to create efficient electric cars for people who >
love to
drive. The Chairman of Tesla Motors, a privately held company, is
> Elon Musk,
who has led or co-led all three rounds of investment resulting in $60
million in funding. Musk has been instrumental in both corporate >
and product
development at Tesla Motors.
Tesla Motors currently employs more than 80 people, > including
teams in California, the U.K. and Taiwan. The company has recruited
employees whose background and experience mirror the vehicle >
itself, drawing
from diverse expertise in the electronics, automotive and software
industries.
Tesla Motors creates vehicles that conform to all U.S. > safety,
environmental and durability standards. The cars include modern
safety
equipment such as airbags, front crumple zones, side impact >
protection and
2½ mph bumpers. Tesla Motors will only sell cars in the U.S. once
> they pass
the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS).
For more information, visit www.teslamotors.com.
About Popular Mechanics
Popular Mechanics is published by Hearst Magazines, a > unit of
Hearst Corporation (www.hearst.com) and one of the world's largest
publishers of monthly magazines, with a total of 18 U.S. titles
and > 145
international editions. Hearst reaches more adults than any other
> publisher
of monthly magazines (76.3 million according to MRI, spring 2005).
The
company also publishes 19 magazines in the United Kingdom through
> its wholly
owned subsidiary, The National Magazine Company Limited.
###
Dan Smith
PCGCampbell . 2340 Plaza Del Amo, Suite 130 . Torrance, > CA 90501
(310) 224-4954 office
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On 14 Nov 2006 at 12:17, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> This is the first advancement in lead-acid batteries, a technology that's
> remained relatively unchanged since before the Civil War.
Say what????!
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Hey Bob (and others, of course)!
I am indeed joining the living! Now that college is over, I finally
have time & money for my EV (which, unfortunately, is not running yet)!
I graduated from WPI in May and decided to stay in Worcester, MA. I'm
putting my EE degree to use working in the fool cell industry, but we
only do small stuff (up to 1kW). Still, I have plans for EV projects.
Seth and I built a smallish PFC battery charger for our major project
at WPI. Rudman need not fear it, but we did test it up to 10A at 48V
and 96V (design goal was ~400V, but we didn't get to test above 96 with
anything other than resistors).
The 914 is now living in a coworker's (heated!) garage in Berlin, about
equidistant from work & home. Progress is good, and I realistically
hope to be driving it by next summer. I had a flirtation with the idea
of using A123 batteries (those things are awesome!!!), but the price
they quoted me for a 12kWh pack was way too much for my fledgling
savings account, so it looks like I'll stick with lead for now.
It's good to see you all again! Cheers!
-Ben
On Nov 14, 2006, at 1:25 AM, Bob Rice wrote:
This mean Ben is joining the living? Hoo Hah! BEN wherethehell ya
been?
Welcome back, guy!Car running yet? Get us up to speed here<g>!
Seeya?
Bob
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Ben,
Welcome back!
Which fool cell company?
I think I've shipped prototype and production low
voltage blowers or pumps to just about every fool cell
company around.
I work for Ametek.
Since you're a fellow EV'r I'll give your projects
priority :-) (just don't tell are sales guys why your
stuff ships quicker.)
Rod
--- Ben Apollonio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Bob (and others, of course)!
>
> I am indeed joining the living! Now that college is
> over, I finally
> have time & money for my EV (which, unfortunately,
> is not running yet)!
> I graduated from WPI in May and decided to stay in
> Worcester, MA. I'm
> putting my EE degree to use working in the fool cell
> industry, but we
> only do small stuff (up to 1kW). Still, I have
> plans for EV projects.
> Seth and I built a smallish PFC battery charger for
> our major project
> at WPI. Rudman need not fear it, but we did test it
> up to 10A at 48V
> and 96V (design goal was ~400V, but we didn't get to
> test above 96 with
> anything other than resistors).
>
> The 914 is now living in a coworker's (heated!)
> garage in Berlin, about
> equidistant from work & home. Progress is good, and
> I realistically
> hope to be driving it by next summer. I had a
> flirtation with the idea
> of using A123 batteries (those things are
> awesome!!!), but the price
> they quoted me for a 12kWh pack was way too much for
> my fledgling
> savings account, so it looks like I'll stick with
> lead for now.
>
> It's good to see you all again! Cheers!
> -Ben
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2006, at 1:25 AM, Bob Rice wrote:
>
> > This mean Ben is joining the living? Hoo Hah!
> BEN wherethehell ya
> > been?
> > Welcome back, guy!Car running yet? Get us up to
> speed here<g>!
> >
> > Seeya?
> >
> > Bob
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David Roden wrote:
On 14 Nov 2006 at 12:17, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
This is the first advancement in lead-acid batteries, a technology that's
remained relatively unchanged since before the Civil War.
Say what????!
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EV List Assistant Administrator
Well, they *did* say "relatively"... but that is one heck of a marketing
stretch.
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I give up - I couldn't find the price on their website. Anyone know what
the price of a Tesla is?
Phil
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You don't have to wonder. Visit their website: www.teslamotors.com.
All the info is there.
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To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: Tesla Motors Honored with Award from Pop Mechanics
I want one :)
Wonder what they are selling for?
Way, way, beyond my means I am sure.
-Tehben
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Mike,
DM meter available thru ebay user dbrouwer
none up for sale right now
$80.00 Small and easy installation.
some comments: not made for automotive environment. my first one stopped
counting, which may be fault of unit or the fact that it should only be at
home. don't like the way it connects to wire. has a screw that pierces the
insulation. again in automotive environment, not ideal connection method.
The seller replaced the first broken free, so I guess I'm testing the
warranty replacement to find out.
if it doesn't work, I give up
drm75a
http://santacruzers.com/drm75a.html
http://www.dmmetering.com/
Otherwise, use an amp clamp (which is only good for instantaneous numbers)
good counting,
Ben
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